Lurker > Unbridled9

Because a shotguns bullet spread actually isn't that huge for starters. Plus they're mainly short-range weapons giving the agents ample time to unload from a distance. Plus they're large and easy to spot as well as a bit cumbersome within tight spaces (a common place seeing as a lot of battles take place in city-scapes). Take note of the weapons that Neo and Trinity took with them in the first movie. Mostly small arms that can be easily concealed and maneuvered within tight spaces.

Of course in other environments they become more viable, but we see agents bend at large angles highly suggesting that even a close-range blast would be more up to luck than anything given an optimal spread. Plus agent reaction times are insane; especially given their machine status. Even an ambush sniper shot could be easily dodged by them. Finally, even if they did get lucky and scored a kill it would only be minor as getting a new agent in would be super easy. In other words, it makes more sense to try and focus on weapons that can deter an agent and slow them down while you escape than on actually killing them. The narrow passages that we see in the movies don't stack up well to the long barrels of shotguns and it makes much more sense to get submachine guns and pistols which you can easily hide on your person than a shotgun.

Not saying there isn't a place for higher power; just that the movies don't take place in such locations.

Also remember that they couldn't possibly win a war against the agents. Even a 100 to 1 kill ratio in favor of the rebels would be a victory for the agents given that they can easily build and program more while humans are highly strapped for numbers. Had Smith not gone rogue and changed the set-up there would have been no way Zion could have survived regardless of what they did.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

When it comes to the emulation thing... Let them. They can emulate all they want. Your terms said they get all the games for the console but not any games for another console. So it doesn't matter if the Dreamcast could emulate the other consoles; because they don't have the games for them.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

They're not real so it's okay.

I mean, seriously think about it. We have paintings, movies, and what-not of things like people being killed, eviscerated, raped, enslaved, and everything else. Earlier today I murdered a spanish guard by hanging him in AC:IV. I would be in MASSIVE trouble if I did that IRL and even watching footage of the real thing could be concerning. How many people did you blow the brains out of in FPS's over the years?

It's not real. Heck, most of the hentai couldn't be mistaken for real if you tried. So... Yea. I mean, it's fully understandable if you don't wanna look at it and what-not; but it's legal. IMO it's probably even helpful as it can provide a safe release. Though information on the relationship between hentai and pedophilic acts is surprisingly scarce; as if people don't even want to think about it for some odd reason.

Yeah but then when you point that out they claim it isn't the same thing at all. You can't argue with ignorance.

I have no clue what you're saying.

He's saying people are hypocrites when their spidey senses go off.

Okay? I don't see the hypocrisy here. The idea is that it's a good thing to be able to release those harmful urges on something unreal as opposed to something real; which I see as a positive in every variation I can think of ATM and not just pedophilia.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

I wanna keep it to those four both to avoid people saying some nation that was never a bit player in the colonial era as well as to stop the people who, doubtless, will go 'America because slavery and the indians'.

So, of those four, which do you feel was the least evil?
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Revelation34 posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

They're not real so it's okay.

I mean, seriously think about it. We have paintings, movies, and what-not of things like people being killed, eviscerated, raped, enslaved, and everything else. Earlier today I murdered a spanish guard by hanging him in AC:IV. I would be in MASSIVE trouble if I did that IRL and even watching footage of the real thing could be concerning. How many people did you blow the brains out of in FPS's over the years?

It's not real. Heck, most of the hentai couldn't be mistaken for real if you tried. So... Yea. I mean, it's fully understandable if you don't wanna look at it and what-not; but it's legal. IMO it's probably even helpful as it can provide a safe release. Though information on the relationship between hentai and pedophilic acts is surprisingly scarce; as if people don't even want to think about it for some odd reason.

Yeah but then when you point that out they claim it isn't the same thing at all. You can't argue with ignorance.

I have no clue what you're saying.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

They're not real so it's okay.

I mean, seriously think about it. We have paintings, movies, and what-not of things like people being killed, eviscerated, raped, enslaved, and everything else. Earlier today I murdered a spanish guard by hanging him in AC:IV. I would be in MASSIVE trouble if I did that IRL and even watching footage of the real thing could be concerning. How many people did you blow the brains out of in FPS's over the years?

It's not real. Heck, most of the hentai couldn't be mistaken for real if you tried. So... Yea. I mean, it's fully understandable if you don't wanna look at it and what-not; but it's legal. IMO it's probably even helpful as it can provide a safe release. Though information on the relationship between hentai and pedophilic acts is surprisingly scarce; as if people don't even want to think about it for some odd reason.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Ummm... You need to be clearer with the question.

Like, how much blood are we talking here? Do you mean that they'll pay me for as many hours as I can stand giving blood? Or how much they'd have to pay me before giving blood once? Does giving blood preclude my normal work-day (assuming I can't give it on a day off) or am I just taking the time to give the blood off then going back to work? Or even doing it on an off day?

My blood probably isn't the best quality. I'm not a blood expert or anything but, if a vampire bit me, they'd probably get a bunch of fat and salt in addition to the normal stuff. Got no blood-born illnesses that I'm aware of; but there are proooobably better donors than me. That aside though... I'd gladly take time off to donate *some* blood, especially if I'm getting paid; but I couldn't donate blood all day. I need that stuff to live! My bigger concern is actually not pay-related but, rather, if my boss would fire me or not for taking the time off to do such a thing regardless of the pay.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

I have an... acquaintance... I desire revenge on. Is this true? Are they still a laxative? Or did the recipe get changed?
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Nope. Not that I wouldn't want to though. Not having to deal with a soul-crushing job, having a chance to kick back, and not even have to worry about studying something like insurance. I'd like it for a few days at least.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

DiduXD posted...

I'd give it a week. From a rude cashier to SpongeBob causing 4 Health Code violations AFAIK (coming to work when he had the Suds and sneezed on at least one Krabby Patty, coming to work with algae all over him and getting all the customers covered in it, giving the Health Inspector a rotten Krabby Patty and getting into the mustard barrel after he wasn't able to get any sleep). Also, not to mention Mr. Krabs is generally terrible at money management and never remodels the place longer then a day.

To be honest this sounds exactly why it would be highly successful. Maybe I'm just that jaded though and seen too many incapable people climb the ladder but... this sounds like a recipe for success!
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

PKMNsony posted...

Magic is real in the same way that God, Superman, and Goku are real.

Superman is America's #1 Defense and Goku is Japan's primary Godzilla deterrent. God tends to be free-form and universal in what he does though.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

I do believe in divine and fel beings whom acted upon the earth in supernatural ways. I don't think I'd classify that as 'magic' though. Supernatural? sure. Magic? No. So no. I don't.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Well there's two primary types which stem from the same source material. In short an RPG is supposed to allow you to take on the role of a character in the game on a level not usually found in other genres. However two distinctly different methods have arisen as to how such things are implemented.

In the WRPG format the focus tends to be placed onto the player and their actions and consequences. The player can be sneaky, a specialist, or a generalist, or even something else. They can be a hero or scumbag. The choice is in their hands. This sort of thing lends itself well to open-world games but tends to suffer in the story-driven narrative as a result. It's to be expected after all. When the player can do so much you have to program for each of those things which takes time and effort.

In the JRPG format the focus is more on the world and narrative. The character and their choices, consequences, and so-forth are usually set from the getgo with little to no room for deviation. They will be a hero and the choice is not in the players hands. This lends itself well to developing a narrative but suffers in the freedom of choice. After all, with typically lower gameplay requirements and less to account for more can be given to story.

Both are equally valid. The JRPG often comes under fire for its lack of choice but it still more than gets by as a story-driven game in which the player is asked to assume the role of a character. In contrast WRPG characters tend to be little more than the player living out a power fantasy or mindlessly completing quests. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But when the player is given so much freedom of choice and they immediately revert to the lowest common denominator it ruins the whole point of giving the choice in the first place. However the oft-complete lack of choice in a JRPG can be easily argued to transform them into 60+ hour narratives/movies and get away with subpar gameplay and the like.

IMO; both are RPG's and it's snooty to try and dismiss the other as invalid.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Who cares? I'm far more invested in the several surprise upsets from Zelda, Tifa, and Alucard along with the various low and mid engagements. Course Link won. I don't care. I'm already looking forwards to the next contest.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

No Kos-Mos? I'll remember her the most from this contest thanks to raptor.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

5) Remember that your employee's aren't incapable buffoons. I've seen so many 'new program to improve customer service' type things. It always amounts to stuff like 'think positive' and 'make their experience a memorable one' and the like. It's irritating as hell. I've got a lengthy line backed up to the other side of the store, a manager stuck dealing with someone who needs a very technical order done, and the only other employee on break. So sorry if I'm not exactly 'positive' and more 'stressed the hell out' as I try to process everyone as fast as possible. Yet to listen to these programs and what-not it sounds like the only thing standing between me and becoming some patron saint of customer service is just always being cheerful!

6) Don't treat your employee's like damned criminals. Did an employee take ten seconds off to rest his feet? Yelling at him to face aisle 28 isn't going to get more work done. Did an employee bring in a drink? Getting furious at them for doing so isn't the right thing to do (assuming it's not alcohol). Employee on a smart phone for one second? You don't need to drag them over the coals. Now, by all means, if an employee is loafing about, gorging themselves, or not getting work done because they're posting on twitter, chew them out. But there's a huuuuge gap between 'being a lazy ass' and 'trying to find just a fleeting second of relief'.

7) When employee's say that there's a problem... LISTEN TO THEM! GAAAAAAHHHH! JUST HIRE ONE MORE PERSON FOR THE NIGHT SHIFT ALREADY! YOU HEAR ME?! WE DON'T NEED A FREAKING BEAUTICIAN OR ANOTHER MANAGER OR SOMEONE WHO CAN ONLY STAY TILL 8! WE NEED MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE WILLING TO STAY TILL MIDNIGHT BECAUSE IT'S DRIVING THOSE TWO PEOPLE BATTY AND THEY MISS THEIR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS BUT YOU HAD TO HIRE A DAMNED BEAUTICIAN INSTEAD! HEAVEN FORBID ONE OF US GETS SICK, ESPECIALLY IN WINTER, BECAUSE THAT *NEVER* HAPPENS BECAUSE IT MEANS ONE OF US LOSES OUR PRECIOUS DAY OFF. YOU'VE ALREADY HAD ONE SUICIDE ATTEMPT BECAUSE OF HOW TERRIBLE THE OVERWORKING IS AND YOU DIDN'T FIGURE IT OUT THEN?

*cough*

Ummm... Yea. When your employee's say there's a problem... listen to them.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

IMO, the following changes would make retail SO much more bearable.

1) CHAIRS! Make it so that you can't deny employee's the right to sit down every once in a while. I've gone so far as to fake bathroom breaks just to get some weight off my feet in the past. Yet companies seem to feel that an employee taking a moment to ease the pain in their feet is 'unprofessional'. We're damned retail cashiers! The customer sees us as a necessary evil to be tolerated so they can get funyons. So long as we're not dropping our pants in front of them they don't give a crap about how 'professional' we are.

2) Management sides with employees. Do you know how... infuriating it is to have a customer do something clearly in the wrong causing you to raise your voice in objection resulting in the manager coming over and... the manager siding with the customer. Do you honestly think I would have stuck my neck out if I didn't think it was suspicious that the customer came up with 20 $3 coupons and 20 $2.99 products? But no. Instead management just doesn't care one bit about siding with the employee unless it could get them into legal trouble; and even then it's shifty. I've had managers outright sell cigarettes to underage kids and not get in trouble for it simply because they want to make as many sales/not get bad reviews. I've been chewed out for following company policy. What's the point of having a policy if, the moment I try to actually enforce it, I get chewed out?

3) Reduce the atmosphere of fear. A lot of employee's are too afraid to ask for even basic things from management out of fear of repercussion. Break your leg? Well... BETTER COME IN TO WORK TOMORROW OR ELSE YOU'LL GET FIRED! Grandma died? WELL YOU'D BETTER MISS THE FUNERAL OR ELSE YOUR ASS IS GRASS! Sure, 'officially' they can't take any action... but when has that ever stopped anyone? I've come in to work sick, missed seeing friends I haven't seen in over a year, and missed medical appointments scheduled months in advance purely out of fear of bosses who treat coming in five minutes late as some sort of grave offense.

4) Don't over-work employee's. I know this is tempting to do since it cuts down on overhead; but if you hired someone to be a cashier don't demand they do janitorial, stocking, and other departments and get upset at them when they aren't constantly working every minute of the day just so you can fire one employee to save a buck. I personally have to do the work of three employee's (counting myself) and it means I often have to stay up to an hour after my shift is done while still not finishing all the tasks. Only reason it's 'only' an hour is because the police would likely arrest me for trespassing if I stayed that late past closing... or would have to bring in a pillow to sleep in the break-room. Overworked employee's are grouchy, irritable, despondent, inefficient, sloppy, and generally taking those perfect employee's who sing to every customer and turning them into those pissy ones who look one word short of trying to smash an old lady's head through the checkout desk because she has just one more coupon to add.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

LinkPizza posted...

Zareth posted...

High Schools should have a mandatory class where you work in retail for a while, just so everyone can know what it's like. Hopefully it would cut down on people being dicks to employees.

Probably not. The people who do that will be like, I did my time already...

Well, TBH... It's... kind of why people assume millennials have never had a job. After all, working a job like retail for any prolonged period (more than a month) causes you to pick up certain traits, attitudes, and so-forth. Traits often not found within the entitled brats who've never worked a day in their lives that populate college campuses. I know plenty of people in college do so and work multiple jobs even. However, when you have some twerp talking about PC topics but then choosing to skip out on work making their co-workers lives miserable... you realize just how sheltered they are.

That said... It's a hellhole. I'd suggest at least three to four months for everybody since it teaches you some VERY valuable people skills in both dealing with customers and co-workers; but it's a serious drain on your mental stamina. Don't do it for too long or you'll start to lose your mind.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

FBike1 posted...

QJD1381 posted...

Unfortunately in Hyrule, Princesses do not have the authority to change the LAW.

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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

iirc, the first of the 2016 presidential candidate to even raise this real and ever-growing concern was Jim Webb and he was drummed out of the race quickly by moderators who both shorted him on time and tried to play up the fact that he failed the DNC's litmus test. The others (if they talked about it at all) mostly paid it lip service.

And honestly you'd need a concerted global effort to curb China's expansionist ambitions.

It's hard to say considering how heavy the censorship is in China. Apparently there's evidence to suggest that they are nowhere near as stable as they like to claim; but I don't trust that too much. I mean, I don't think they are, but not anywhere near as much as it's made out to be. But for the South China Seas it's basically a 'who blinks first' contest. If China manages to subvert the governments of the various claimants then they might win by default; but it's far more likely that they'll just bully them into submission and try to shove the U.S. out as well.

IMO the 'real' issue is a lack of people willing to actually directly confront China. It's because of the prolonged period of peace IMO. Not saying that it's a bad thing; but a lot of people seem to think that, since the US won the cold war, there's basically nothing to worry about anymore when the truth is just the opposite. The recent turn towards socialism in the west hasn't helped and various other factors make people simply apathetic to China's advancements; until it's too late of course.

I don't know if Trump's trade war is the 'right' answer, but I do certainly feel it's a better answer than just sitting back and doing nothing; especially with China's inability to play by the rules.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

I think the most defining things about US foreign relationships post-trump (regardless of if 2020 or 2024) will actually be based on what happens in other nations. China's government and policies will heavily influence the shape of East Asian politics and potentially African and Oceanian politics as well. Likewise, the EU, England, and how that all ends up playing out will drastically change the relationship regardless of what Trump does.

With China, it's expansionist policies are going to do little more than drive a wedge between it and the U.S. Combined with its effective attitude of 'Screw the Rules I'm China' make it so that basically nothing Trump does short of going down on Xi will make China and the U.S. 'friends'. It's posing a threat to the territorial waters of multiple nations in the east and even some threats on sovereignty. While it likely won't come to open war China will gladly act like it. I suspect that, post-Trump, the Asian areas will be split between a Pro-US faction and a series of China puppet-nations and claims. Russia will be a big player here and it's unclear where they'll fall as there are good reasons to aid either side as well as stay neutral. Assuming Trump stays his current course I suspect that India, Japan, and South Korea will all be pro-US with the Phillipians, Vietnam, Australia, and New Zealand having more favorable opinions assuming China also doesn't back down. North Korea won't become pro-US but their relationship may improve enough to the point where they'll stay out of any war between America and China. For Russia, China has made movements to claim Russian territory (using the same strategy they used in Ukraine no less) but seems to be avoiding actively antagonizing them as well. Neither are really good friends with the US so they may ally, or Russia may ally with the U.S. to secure their borders from Chinese influences, or play it neutral and hope the bickering doesn't flow over into their lands (which it likely will if the trade war becomes actual war).

In Europe it's pretty much going to all come down to the question of what happens to the EU. If it holds up and keeps the same philosophies it's had I suspect we'll see western europe cool to the US while eastern europe warms up. However, if it breaks and goes into a wave of nationalism sort of like what we're seeing in France right now we'll see a massive reform after which... who knows? China will be trying to spread its influence into Europe as well and, while it may succeed if no one does anything, it likely won't happen until after 2024 that we'll see definative results one way or the other aside from in a few of the poorer/lesser nations.

So, simply put... I think the state of U.S. foreign relations post-trump will largely be independent of Trump and his actions and more dependent on China. I suspect that his greatest impact will not be anything he actually does but, rather, as a rallying point for nationalism over globalism. So long as he keeps America in good shape he'll be able to perform that role. So...

It's really too volatile right now to say.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Samuss Ballistic Optimized Ordinance Biological Systems were not large enough to beat Mario.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Once I finish my current retail job I am NEVER working it again. Customers are horrible and ruin anything positive that could possibly come from the job. Management never stands by you whenever you finally put your foot down to make it even worse. But, IMO, the worst part is the people who hear you whine about your job and either remind you that you need it for the money or, worse, go 'Oh boo hoo. My job sucks too. Get over it.'

Whoever thought making the guy who is afraid of dealing with people your primary cashier is an idiot and should have been fired long ago.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

No. The current PC and outrage-driven climate is horrible and makes me afraid every day that I'll do something or, worse, nothing that will end up with me being socially crucified.

But, that aside...

No. I want to see us progress. I want robotic limbs better than organic ones. Bionic eyes. Bodies that never grow fat. I want to travel to Mars. I want to see us move beyond money by making resources so abundant that money is meaningless. This world is *better* but we need to keep improving.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

ParanoidObsessive posted...

minervo posted...

Lokarin posted...

minervo posted...

Then why do Protestant pastors marry and have kids?

Because pastors aren't Jesus?

Pastors are supposed to be Christ's representatives on earth.

Being someone's representative doesn't mean you have to deliberately mirror every facet of their lives.

This is the same reason why we don't nail every pastor to a cross when they turn 33.

You have to admit though, it would be nice if you had a pastor who could turn water into wine for you.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

A one-eyed snake tends to struggle around attractive women.

Megaman lost because... going to the medieval times to acquire 'Leprosy Man's powers was not exactly the best of ideas.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

ZeldaTPLink posted...

The princess was actually in the castle this time. And it was HER castle.

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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Mario finally found his princess but she was already married to Link so he left with a heart full of regret.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

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Dang it. I just realized how badly I took the bait here.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

JCvgluvr posted...

First of all, Unbridled, make more paragraphs, and less walls of text.

Second of all, what you sound just sounded like a bunch of excuses to me. People shouldn't be afraid to tell customers no, or that you don't have enough time. They should try not to do this, of course. In fact, do it as little as possible. Bend over backwards, if they have to. But if they truly can't...just say so.

Wanna know what happens when you tell a customer 'no'? You get chewed out by your manager. Possibly even fired. Do you not have the time? Too bad. You do. Or else your manager chews you out and you can get fired. I have BEEN in situations where someone has refused to provide an ID for cigarettes, called for management when I refused to sell, and the manager has ended up chewing me out for not just letting it through.

You have a completely naive and idealistic view of what it's like to work the floor or cash register at retail. The reality is a simple one. You need to learn to lie; not because you WANT to lie, but because, if you don't, you'll never get anything done and customers will walk all over you and management will side with them. This isn't 'I'm feeling lazy so I'll just say we don't have it'. This is 'I'm the only employee in the store with a line 10 people deep, no back-up, and now I have some putz calling up insisting I check the back for their favorite brand of cookies.'

Like I said, you aren't the first customer to pose a question where the choices are either 'get chewed out by your boss because you helped a customer and now you can't finish your assigned tasks' 'skip your break to get the assigned tasks done' or 'lie like a rug.' You're the 182,244,211'th customer.

If you want someone to help you and not lie to you, bring a pet with you. A puppy works best. You'll restore just a little bit of their soul and faith in humanity and they'll gladly help you out.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

I voted for Zelda just to see if she can actually pull off a win. I mean, I don't expect her to; but I would certainly be surprised if she did.

But let's be honest. After L-Block, Draven, and the Undertale fiasco's... Zelda potentially beating Mario is practically a relief.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Because 'Cloud in the Finals: Remastered' got it's release date pushed back again.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

JCvgluvr posted...

While I expected all the lying at work options to be popular, I did NOT think the lying everywhere option would be the highest!

Just can't trust people these days...tsk, tsk, tsk!

It's not that simple. Like, if you're working as a cashier on a line and it's gotten really badly backed up and you get a customer insisting that X item is on sale despite no evidence at all that it is... Not only are you going to eventually need to tell them a lie to get them off your back (assuming calling management isn't an option which it isn't always) but you lose a little bit of your own free will. You might see it as you getting that extra ten cents off on that can of tuna. They might see it as the last little bit of patience, happiness, and fleeting tatter of their soul being ripped away by some cheapskate who couldn't grasp that they were buying salmon and not tuna. Eventually nothing is left and, when that happens, you just... stop caring. Every customer INSISTS that there's more in the back. No matter what is actually in the back. Sure, sometimes the product is in the back; but that's not going to be the case most of the time. So instead of wasting their time going to check for a product that isn't there, just tell them that it isn't there and get back to doing something that isn't dealing with a customer? Remember, to them you're not someone who is in a life or death scenario which will be decided if you have an extra bottle of apple juice in the back. You're an annoying brat who is demanding an obviously out-of-stock product who has an intelligence rivaled only by pineapples since you can't grasp the concept of 'we are out of stock' and is stopping them from doing real work or, infinitely worse, interrupting their break time with your inane questions.

It's not about honesty. It's about 'If I don't lie here I'm going to end up behind on my work load and/or lose my break because this idiot customer can't do basic things' and how most of them have had every last vestage of enthusiasm, happiness, and a soul crushed out of them slowly by uncaring customers and a company that considers them disposable.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

P5, though XI is well on it's way to dethroning it. If it keeps up this momentum it will.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

Zelda sent Sonic into the future to see how his franchise would end up. Sonic lost all hope after that.

Samis lost because... Getting Samus in swimwear requires a lot of work. Getting Mario in swimwear is quite easy by comparison.
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I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage

This would be like if I complained about Rey being able to use the Force untrained, then if someone pointed out that Anakin was able to pilot a pod-racer - a feat no other human, Force-sensitive or no, had ever accomplished - with no formal training, I responded "Yeah, well, now you're just excusing the plot and you're not the director, so it doesn't count."

Anakin was fortold by prophecy to be the chosen one. He had no clue how to utilize the force and basically operated on instinct. He couldn't even do a basic force push until after joining the order. Rei pulled off things like mind trickery when just a short while ago she didn't even know the Force was a real thing. So no. They aren't the same at all.

It's not that I can't accept someone figuring out the force on their own. It's that I can't accept someone basically having just figured out that computers aren't demon boxes with imps slapping the words up on the screen suddenly turning into a master hacker overnight.
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Or, alternatively, why didn't Hux do this? Sacrifice a star destroyer, sure, but you KILL OFF THE ENTIRE RESISTANCE/REBELLION! That's a good trade! And you outnumber them anyways. Heck, you could easily evacuate said star destroyer to minimize the losses. Basically, this manuver requires everyone in the galaxy since the invention of hyperdrive to completely overlook this blatantly obvious thing, including top-tier engineers and generals, only for one woman in the entire galaxy to suddenly realize it could be done and no one else. And the imperials will never use this technology despite it basically allowing them to win any battle (especially since, as you claim, they have resources to spare). And the Resistance will never use it despite it basically allowing THEM to win any battle (especially since, as you claim, they DIDN'T have resources and need to make the most of what they've got).

Both sides should be pouncing on this for the exact same reason and it's going to need to be written out by episode 9 since, otherwise, the whole point to any kind of war is gone.

Physics don't allow for that to work, though. Hyperspace allows for faster-than-light travel; the kinetic energy of an impact alone would be literally infinite.

Argument A or Argument B. Either A) Hyperspace lets you at speeds faster than light at which point there's no reason an X-wing traveling at light speed wouldn't impact with the force of a nuclear bomb. Or B) It doesn't at which point basically everything Holdo did made no sense especially given the resulting fallout which couldn't have happened UNLESS she was going super-fast.

Make you choice. Either the plot's dumb because it basically gave machine guns to people still mastering this 'iron' thing or the plot's dumb because there's no way Holdo could have possibly known her plan would work and no way the result could have happened. Pick your poison.

No, I'm not "writing" anything. This isn't my creativity giving birth to an entirely new idea, this is just me pointing out observations based on TLJ and stuff that's been in the franchise for decades and explaining why the stuff you're complaining about isn't actually complaint-worthy, because it's logically consistent with what's come before.

It's not been in the franchise for decades. In fact I'm fairly certain Ryan never even watched the originals or else he should have remembered that the imperials HAD the tracking devices that were so central to the plot all the way back in ANH. Meanwhile you're equating Han basically saying 'you need a skilled pilot or else you end up smacking into a sun and gravity will still mess with you' with 'It's perfectly fine for Holdo to completely wreck that massive ship with hyperdrive because it can affect things in the normal world'. So yes, you ARE writing Ryan's script for him. Because this wasn't in the movies before, makes no sense in multiple layers of context, but you're trying to provide a justification to try and make it work despite no sense of logic allowing it to do so.
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Yeah, you could design a ship as a hyperspace ram and use it (which would cost you the resources used to build the ship, including the hyperdrive, which is the most expensive part of a ship judging by TPM)... or, you could design a ship as an actual warship and use it like one for better returns and more than a single use.

It may be a 'single use' but that capitol ship you just blew up cost, like, 6,000,000 times more, had full crew and fighter compliment, and got precisely 0 uses compared to your 1. Capitol ships are only worthwhile if they aren't blown up in the first five seconds of the battle... or before they even arrive onto the field. For a more real-world comparison... A Sidewinder missile costs ~600,000. An F-35 Lightning II costs $94,600,000. Assuming it hits the Sidewinder can kill the F-35. Even if you just lobbed them willy-nilly it would take ~157 Sidewinders to equate in cost to ONE F-35. You can't possibly tell me that, say, twelve hyper-space X-wing missiles cost MORE than a single Star Destroyer. If you slapped a hyperdrive onto an asteroid you wouldn't even need to factor in a cost for the ship. So tell me, when does this stop being 'cost efficient'? Because a hyperdrive engine for an entire star destroyer or even super-star destroyer sounds pretty cost efficient to me.

See, the thing is that the Radish wasn't even DESIGNED for what it did; yet look at how much damage it caused. There's no question as to who won that cost/destruction ratio. Now imagine what sort of destruction could be unleashed if they, ya know, actually built a ship designed specifically to do that. Capitol ships would be obsolete in as long as it took to build the ships. Your opponents literally wouldn't know what hit them as there wouldn't even be light to see until impact. There would be no point in building anything larger than a frigate because the cost would just be too high for a ship that would be blown up or at least neutered in the opening salvo. Heck, space combat itself might be rendered entirely obsolete since who the fuck would dare start a war when you'd suddenly have your capitol planet smashed to bits by sixty hyperspace missiles that you have little to no method of stopping vaporizing your planet?

You'd still run into the same issue - Imperials have no need for it, because they can spend the same amount on fighting ships and not have to worry about constantly replacing them, while the Rebels can't use it because they are constantly being pinched for resources and need to scrape out every ounce of usefulness from their ships that they can, not waste them on one-off suicide strikes against a numerically superior foe.

Have you SEEN the imperials and what they do? They THRIVE on spending money to build massively powerful superweapons capable of destroying entire planets and star-systems. This isn't just 'right up their alley' it's 'inside their home, cooking them dinner, and asking how work went'. And it's COST EFFECTIVE to boot!

And also... Bullshit. The First Order was a fringe group while the Dumb-Names were a powerful organization that had their own freaking capitol planet. It's only because Ryan didn't give an F that things suddenly got flipped in 8. But... Let's put ALL that aside and ask one simple question...

Why the hell didn't the other two ships do the Holdo maneuver? No BS 'they ran out of fuel' because nothing was stopping them from evacuating early and smashing into the imperials. Heck, had they done that the plot would be nowhere near as bad as they would have taken out the tracker or at least reduced the number of star destroyers trailing them. If this tactic existed. If it was known (and there's no way such a relatively simple thing could be missed). Why didn't the other two ships do it? Holdo could have told the other captains what to do and, instead of dying uselessly, they could have damaged the imperials.
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darkknight109 posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

Well yes. And that's exactly why Holdo's maneuver is so damned stupid. Because it shouldn't have worked since she wasn't going 'fast' but entering into hyperspace. It's a maneuver that would only work if she WAS going fast. But if she was going fast (as opposed to entering a different dimension) then there's no reason that they shouldn't be building hyper-space missiles. So she was either going fast (at which point the entire combat philosophy of Star Wars falls into question) or she shouldn't have done the type of damage she did on the scale she did.

I already addressed this.

ANH tells us that objects in hyperspace still interact with the real world, so clearly they're not *completely* separated from realspace. TLJ just shows us what happens when a ship that is already in or is in the process of entering hyperspace does when it meets another object still in realspace.

Simple economics explains the rest and why this isn't a widely used tactic.

But that doesn't solve the problem. It just moves it. There's still no reason why they couldn't design a ship specifically to destroy enemy ships while in hyperspace and have it auto-piloted. Nevermind how Holdo KNEW she'd get any sort of reaction as opposed to either jumping right past them or diddly (since her plan revolved around the jump at least being able to hit for more than 'ramming speed').

If you ask me it would make perfect sense if we assumed hyperspace allows for ships to travel but is so delicate that even being near a star can throw it off and doesn't make the ship actually move 'fast' so much as serve as a short-cut. That way ramming a ship from hyperspace into normal space would be as effective as ramming a ship in normal space. Would remove the issue of hyperspace weaponry entirely. Course, it still doesn't explain one bit about how the hell Holdo's plan worked or why an X-wing couldn't make the jump and just blow up a Star Destroyer in an identical fashion. And...

Ultimately...

This is YOU trying to explain and justify the plot and details. You are not Ryan Johnson. You are not the plot. You are looking for ways to fill in something in the plot that doesn't make sense with something that does. You're writing the script for him. So no, it doesn't excuse his laziness and ineptitude or make the moment any better even if it is, somehow, both realitistic and faithful. Because in order for it to become either of those things you had to go out and write massive bits of script and science to make it work.
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Star Wars - and the idea of a "hyperdrive" more specifically - does not obey real world physics.

Well yes. And that's exactly why Holdo's maneuver is so damned stupid. Because it shouldn't have worked since she wasn't going 'fast' but entering into hyperspace. It's a maneuver that would only work if she WAS going fast. But if she was going fast (as opposed to entering a different dimension) then there's no reason that they shouldn't be building hyper-space missiles. So she was either going fast (at which point the entire combat philosophy of Star Wars falls into question) or she shouldn't have done the type of damage she did on the scale she did.
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15/30 on Adult.
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I'm sorry darkknight... but that's BS. Here's the problem. If this technology exists there's literally NO reason to even consider making things like capitol ships in the first place. To quote a certain person 'Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest sunnovabitch in space'.

Assuming you took a baseball and threw it at MERELY 90% the speed of light you'd end up with what would basically be an atomic bomb going off. There would be no need for things like proton torpedos when you could just get super-powered pitching machines strapped onto fighters and end up shooting nukes. The military has even considered weaponizing this sort of thing on a lower scale (see 'Rods from God').

So this begs the question. Why not just slap a hyperdrive on an asteroid, put it on auto-pilot, and shoot it towards Yavin or wherever the Rebels want to hide? You're literally hitting it with the force of a meteor strike if you *just* let gravity do the rest. Nevermind if you hit it at light speed or however fast hyperdrive has them going. Episode IV would have ended not with a trench run but with them loading 3P0 and R2 into a pair of X-wings and setting them to hyperdrive into the Death Star. V would have had the Empire just launching a Star Destroyer into the Hoth base (why they didn't do this in the first place is baffling). VI would have just had Ackbar accelerating his ship to hyperdrive right into the Death Star which would have almost certainly destroyed it or at least crippled it; nevermind that the Empire could have just done the same. Remember, they're the mother****ing empire. They've got Star Destroyers out the wazoo. Losing one or two to completely destroy the rebellion is an EXTREMELY worth-while trade. And this is assuming that they didn't just make a ship designed to be droid/remote/auto-piloted that was super-dense and had as big a hyperdrive on it as they could slap. There would be no need for a Death Star. They could easily mass-produce far cheaper ships that would basically obliterate the entire planet with no chance to resist or even warning that it was coming.

So yea. Holdo's maneuver really DOES throw things off. It would be like watching The Two Towers and reaching Helms Deep only for Gandalf to ride to the rescue with the riders of Rohan... driving tanks. And then going 'Oh these. We've always had these. Never had a reason to use them until now and have you seen the damage they cause to the roads? Yup. And now we're going to just put them back into storage and ride to Gondor on horse-back because there couldn't possibly be another reason to use these things.'
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Pirateking2000 posted...

Pikachu lost to Link
Pikachu is no stranger to getting thrown up against a bullshit hax opponent that happens to show up near the end of a tournament. Fuck you Sinnoh League!

Crono lost to Cloud Strife
Crono thought he could prevent the clash of Link VS Cloud from occurring again...but in the end the future refused to change.

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Gradieus posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

This is why I just dont talk about it. People have different opinions and this is just one of those movies that you love or you straight up hate it

And I don't talk about it because there's no way anyone could ever convince me it's a good movie. I haven't watched the fan edit yet though. Maybe that's better given it's barely 80 minutes long and half the movie is cut out.

I thought it was, like, just three seconds long and went from text crawl to credits instantly.
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Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...

Is it just misogynists who think Rey, Rose, and Holdo should stay at home vacuuming?

So... what would happen if a woman didn't like it?
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Hmmm...

Zombie, despotism, and... probably about 70%-ish.

The thing about a zombie apocolypse is that it's actually pretty easy to deal with. First off, here in good old 'Murica there are ample guns to utilize which would quickly turn any zombie battle in the favor of the survivors. Make sure that they train properly and we'd probably turn any encounter with the zombies into a one-sided slaughter in our favor. Depending on what kind of zombies we would also likely be able to almost entirely negate them via proper armor. So it's got the highest chances of survival. Plus food would be untouched (unlike in nuclear) and the risk of infection spreading is a lot lower than with world-wide disease and, if it does, it isn't an almost guarenteed death.

As for despotism, it's really simple. I'm assuming that this 'civilization' is relatively small since it's made of survivors. In this case it's key that things get done fast and efficiently with minimal interference. A single person providing directives is much better at that then a democracy. Maybe once things settle down the government can be converted or, at the least, get proper laws set down, but initially I'd go with despot. Women's right are gonna be such a freaking pain...

Finally... I dunno. I'm trained in the use of guns and have quite a bit of knowledge but I'm not physically fit either. I think my survival would depend entirely on me being able to withstand a zombie attack as opposed to outrunning it. If I could do that, however, my survival would probably be near-guarenteed. The biggest question, IMO, is how depleted the population would be. 10% dying as a result of zombies would be terrible but certainly survivable. Even 50% would still leave a lot of locals. I'd say we'd need 70-80% dead/turned for it to really threaten my survival chances.

Though the REAL big thing is 'what would the government do?' I mean, it's not just going to vanish overnight. Most likely there will be a mass depletion followed by minor survivor encampments that the government will proceed to re-affirm contact with.

Edit: As for where I'd want to set up; probably Kansas. The mid-west for certain or, failing that, somewhere with lots of mountains for easy defense.
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C...

But that's not why I like her. I like her mostly because she didn't become some vapid airhead who obsesses over clothes and popularity and the like.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

DeltaBladeX posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

First off is their treatment of old games. Say you want to pick up a copy of Fire Emblem 9 for the Gamecube. Nintendo hasn't released that on their digital store so you can't get it there and Nintendo doesn't really do stuff with other media's so you're stuck buying off of E-Bay. But imagine if Gamestop got into dealing with some of the REALLY old games? Like even just a simple display case. I bet they'd boost the number of customers by a decent bit.

Didn't they start doing classics games again? I remember hearing about it start up a few years back, did they just give up on that?
https://www.wired.com/2015/04/gamestop-classic-retro-games/

My local one had been selling old ds and I think gba games but that was it and they stopped. I assume because poor supply. I know you can get older stuff of their site though. At least last I checked.

Sure as heck haven't see that classic stuff at any of the local stores.
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wolfy42 posted...

*snip*

Well, you're right to a degree. As a physical place for gamers to come it could easily have become something more than a simple store. However the fact is that it's a business first and it's a business run largely by people who care about stock prices and the like above all else. I would be shocked if more than half of their board of directors was anything more than 'casual' at best. The fact is that what they offer *could* be great since a physical copy holds multiple edges over digital copies (and digital also holds edges over physical) and buying used games is a great deal in comparison to having to pay full-price all the time for 'new' titles on games that are pretty... old... But the fact is that they're making multiple Blockbuster-style mistakes. That is to say mistakes that show that they don't have a clue as to what their audience really is and only care about profit margins.

First off is their treatment of old games. Say you want to pick up a copy of Fire Emblem 9 for the Gamecube. Nintendo hasn't released that on their digital store so you can't get it there and Nintendo doesn't really do stuff with other media's so you're stuck buying off of E-Bay. But imagine if Gamestop got into dealing with some of the REALLY old games? Like even just a simple display case. I bet they'd boost the number of customers by a decent bit. It would be also great if they offered a location to meet and greet other gamers physically. But the fact is that they're just gonna pin their hopes and dreams on used game sales and major releases, pick up a few things on the side to try and suppliment incomes, and then spiral around the drain.
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Because Pikachu isn't a rat. Pikachu's an electric mouse. DUH!
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