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ctesjbuvf posted...

Then your guess is exactly Ulti/Red/me, then how did you talk yourself half out of red only when it's a package you have made? In this case me being scum requires red to be with me, it doesn't make sense to doubt him only.

Oh I didn't talk myself out if it, I'm just aware that I've been on red for like 3 days now so I could be biased. It's still what I believe. I'm open to better suggestions but I haven't seen one yet and I'm not going to spend time theorizing myself when I don't buy it.

Meow1000 posted...

You'd have to sell me on why Red has any motive at all to tell such a lie. I'm not seeing one.

I mean the topic devolved into like 200 some posts about what could have caused it so I see it as a means to confuse/distract town

That makes more sense to me than scum having a double roleblock/rolecop and a redirect yes.

ctesjbuvf posted...

And the redirect then, MI?

You know my thoughts.

ctesjbuvf posted...

What even is the link between me and Ulti being proposed? That I could vote today and Ulti was jailkept?

Yes. The obvious conclusion would be that Ulti was the votestealer so you had to change your claim to account for why you could vote today.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Everyone called Ulti town until I yesterday spent forever building a theory that he could have Lopens role and now I am seeing someone feel confident about Ctes/Ulti scum team.

This is revisionist, there was plenty of doubt voiced on Ulti with him claiming a scan on SBell

I don't think scum has a path to victory without lynching me which is why Ulti is so dead set on doing it no matter what

No your theory has an obvious hole it in that falls apart with any critical thinking and this isn't the first time.

I'm extremely confident at this point on scum ulti claiming lopen's role. I will support lynching him or ctes here.

##Unvote

UltimaterializerX posted...

Town never ever ever ever swaps Red and ctes.

I agree

Ergo I don't think there was any real swapping.

How would scum know ctes was suddenly going to scan guilty yesterday Ulti?

I can admit it's possible my insistence that red is scum is influencing my theory.

But I do feel extremely confident in my ctes/Ulti thoughts.

And I just can't buy a scum redirector appearing here when scum already had such a strong roleblocker

Meow1000 posted...

Can someone please just sum up all this meta talk so I don't have to bother scrapping through a heap of posts trying to find the small handful that actually say something

Ctes is saying he has to bet on something and if he's right something good will happen and if he's wrong something bad will happen. He's gotten the bad thing 4/4 times. He refuses to tell us anymore details about what things can happen or what the bets are on and we had to beg him to flavor claim.

FD claims he gave the pineapple to ctes but red is claiming he got it. The game devolved into a big talk about where this role redirection could come from. I'm proposing that there was no role redirection and that red/ctes are scum together lying about who got the pineapple to devolve the day into the mess that it became.

I also thing that Ctes is so reluctant to claim because he wasn't prepared to have to claim he was eating his own vote. My theory is Ulti is scum votestealer that has been using on Ctes. When he was roleblocked, Ctes had a vote today and had to scramble for a claim to explain this so that we don't lynch Ulti.

That's my summary with my own thoughts but other can chime in too.

ctesjbuvf posted...

So what do we hope to achieve today as a scumpair exactly?

I mean a majority of the posts are only about trying to figure out the redirect. Pressure on you for not claiming has gotten lessened and any pressure on Red is effectively gone

IfGodCouldDie posted...

So you think that ctes and Red are just putting in a show?

Yes. It makes a lot more sense than a secret redirect power we haven't seen yet.

I feel like a broken record here but yes the easiest explanation is there isn't a redirection at all

Scum having a redirector on top of the OP roleblocker with our town claims feels like a fantasy

PunishedBen posted...

So scum either - redirected FD to Ctes

Bussed Ctes to Red

Or swapped Ctes and Red

But the redirection one sounds impossible because then why would you redirect the pineapple, and why was that not used to redirect something more important earlier in the game? So why would scum swap the target of Ctes and Red? As usual I forget how bussing works. Does it work where if scum was expecting Ulti to scan Red last night, which they instead get the result of scanning Ctes?

Is that why they let Ctes scan guilty. And Red is town? Big theories going on here and thats why I want to know if Ulti knows exactly who he scanned each night

Or ctes and red are scum together and this is all fake

I mean it makes more sense than Starburns

Another option that I'm not sure on but to put it out there

If ctes/red are both scum they could be faking who got the pineapple to cause confusion amongst town

ctesjbuvf posted...

The third option is redirect FD to you

None of these options make sense to me tbh

Also look at how much Ulti is defending him.

ctesjbuvf posted...

So what your theory is that Ulti has been stealing my vote every day until now?

I said this earlier as a theory, yes.

Days ago we talked about the possibility that scum is blocking their own to make them seem town. It's a low value scum power to use on town because it doesn't have much of an impact until end game and risks them being seen moving or getting redirected.

However, Ulti faking cop would likely feel like he would not be targeted by MZero or Kirby here and feel safe moving. But then when he was blocked, if you didn't claim responsibility for the blocking yourself, he's dead. So now you're coming up with a new claim to justify it and keep him alive.

Obviously just a theory but I think it's worth considering when you're being so cagey with even your flavoe.

FD you just get a successful message? It doesn't say who you targeted?

ctesjbuvf posted...

Yes I have stalled making my fakeclaim for what 72 hours and then somehow forgot to prepare it at all. You sure got me there.

Again, if Ulti getting blocked made you have to pivot your fake claim to say you are losing your own vote, you might not be able to use what you prepared.

You're being asked because your refusal to give anything even flavor, just makes you seem like you don't have a claim prepared imo

What have your bets been

htaeD posted...

Ctes sure had plenty of time for his teammates to prepare a claim tho

Not if they weren't expecting a block today and they don't have flavor experts!

And then the reason he's only half claiming and not flavor claiming is because they weren't planning this and don't have a claim planned for this

Crazy theory:

Ulti is claiming Lopen's role
Ulti is scum votestealer
Scum has been blocking scum Godfather ctes vote to make him look more town
Ulti got blocked so ctes can vote today
"I'm totally vote blocking myself guys" to cover for Ulti

Town feels so weak that I'm really struggling with this half claim of RNG role that has only punished town

If you have nothing good that has ever happened and have only been punished I don't why you won't full claim

Or even favor claim

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Bro it's 12D chess these days.

I'm so over it. It only hurts town.

Just fucking claim I'm so over how much thoughts we've had to put into things because of people lying jfc

ctesjbuvf posted...

Still catching up but

You see the problem with my role, and I've been back and fourth, is that it gets a lot worse of I full claim. I also haven't been very lucky with it.

I think at this point in the game it's less important to have a gotcha moment Digby your role and more imporant for us to know everything to bring this game to an end

ctesjbuvf posted...

I am able to vote today

Well this looks bad for Ulti

I am fairly certain you were the lynch leader before the Ben train, red.

Then after it went to peaf for some reason

I think we know Ben neighbored Kirby, didn't they say that?

I am decently trusting of ctes

Also let's assume that ulti is actually town cop who thought he caught me as a passive roleblocker

I've been targeted twice before last night that weren't blocked

And if you guys are going to lynch me today please do it in the first 24 hours so I can move on and enjoy my weekend.

Just lynch those three after

I really truly think it's ulti/death/red

I didn't put ulti in my 3 since it felt like he was going to have a guilty scan on red. Then when he was blocked I got paranoid it was all fake. Now we know he was blocked and I'm back to my original thoughts.

I want ctes to full claim today

We need all info

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I'll be much more likely to feel like this is true if Ctes turns out to be some kind of scanner (maybe he's been trading his ability to vote for night actions?)

But otherwise a scum Ulti means our only investigation role is Sbell who was highly susceptible to wallz' Movement Frame ability.

Or

Lopen

And again ulti since you were blocked by kirby and not me what I said was absolutely not tmi again please learn what that means

Do we know if ctes was vote locked again with Ulti's block?

The fact that he did go for me instead of red drives me absolutely fucking insane. He is avoiding scanning red blatantly

Oh maybe it's just ulti as the third if he is going to claim I passively blocked him
Ben/death don't make sense together that's a fair thought I just don't have a third person I feel strongly about right now

I'm also very busy tonight but will be around as much as I can

Town
Chang
Kirby
Blade

Scum
Red
Death
Ben? This is the one I'm less sure of

##Vote: Red

that eod had me salty

Good job mzero

You should max your int as much as possible (18 I think) to ensure your spells actually hit.