Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 13 - Ethics of Appealing to Emotion

(+) Yeah! (+)

I definitely have to reevaluate Blade.

My Ulti theory yesterday was also spun by looking at the poe and thinking I have to reconsider somewhere.

Kirby's JK of Ulti was probably a display but it does mean he didn't send the kill if scum at least so likelier town.

Ulti hasn't stolen my vote the other nights. I lost it myself each time.

Last night I didn't lose my vote but my reputation instead. Meaning last night I would have scanned guilty and seen commiting all kills.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Ulti hasn't stolen my vote the other nights. I lost it myself each time.

God damn it

Well as one suspecting you I would've rather worked with your scan and figured you from there than this

good news for Ulti at least.

Anyway uhm flavor
and a vote to prove you can vote?

Yeah I could have said that sooner today but I wanted to see what people would want to say.

I also could have said I lost my own vote from the start. But I thought that it made more sense to see the reactions. The natural assumption would be scum ability but scum always knew they didn't. I thought Ben had a towny response initially. I also thought Death looked bad when he assumed it was some permanent thing and not a new thing each time because I thought it came from scum that knew it wasn't theirs. FD initially saying he thought Death looked towny to seemingly not knowing how it worked made FD look more towny imo.

Also I have received nothing from FD or anyone as far as I'm aware.

Well excuse me for making the logical assumption that in fact sort of turned out to be true.

Just fucking claim I'm so over how much thoughts we've had to put into things because of people lying jfc

TotallyNotMI posted...

Just fucking claim I'm so over how much thoughts we've had to put into things because of people lying jfc

Bro it's 12D chess these days.

I don't choose if I get the negative affect, but I do choose which of the negative affects I get if I get a negative. I picked the vote loss the first three nights because I thought it wouldn't be too bad in this sized game early.

Last night it was my idea that losing the reputation instead would not give any false results whatever given with all the claims and thus I could have the vote again.

htaeD posted...

Well excuse me for making the logical assumption that in fact sort of turned out to be true.

Setting aside that it was done by scum instead of you.

Tho I cant have been the only one to make that assumption. Or the assumption that it was just you doing it to yourself.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Bro it's 12D chess these days.

I'm so over it. It only hurts town.

Oh okay not permanent after all

....But
Ctes
The Flavor!

htaeD posted...

Well excuse me for making the logical assumption that in fact sort of turned out to be true.

It didn't. It was a new thing each time.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I'm so over it. It only hurts town.

Welcome back lol

ctesjbuvf posted...

It didn't. It was a new thing each time.

Yes yes okay
But at least now I understand why it was you each time

My role is called Bookie

I can also get a positive thing instead. It's just unlikely. I can also not do anything and have no chance for either positive and negative affect.

Did I miss the flavor perhaps?

Unfortunately my role is designed in a way where it absolutely unquestionably hurts to give all info.

This is as much as you will get.

How typical

UltimaterializerX posted...

I have an impossible time thinking ctes claimed that as godfather but FD is the flavor expert.

He didn't give flavour though

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Because sometimes scum screws up?

We'd have never lynched knightz if we convinced ourselves that scum is incapable of making obvious mistakes.

Why tie his own vote to yours to begin with? Shows a lack of wanting to commit to his own reads

I tied my vote to Kirby because at that point i was in the car driving and way behind on posts. My first reaction was to not vote at all, because my opinion was not going to be fully informed. But then as soon as i made that post I realized it would be better if I just + 1 a town vote, and Kirby is my most trusted ally to both be town and make the right decision.

Okay I think you sorta already explained that, but I will ask again for maybe more details.
So you didnt townread Red at the time?

Kirby321 posted...

Ben clearly stated that he was running into a time conflict with the deadline and work. We know already that Ben is in the CST time zone, so the 6 PM EDT deadline would happen exactly when he's off work (5 PM CDT). He said as much during the sign-up topic.

It was extremely clear that Ben the only reason he was tying his vote to me is because he had zero time to analyze the topic and commit to a read. In a vacuum, that sounds like lazy scum. But the context is important here. Ben could be faking it, but given what we already know about the situation, it checks out. Ben would have been getting off of work at that time, and if he's had a busy day, of course he wouldn't be able to catch up.

Now, I agree that sometimes scum screws up and makes obvious mistakes. Could you do me a favor? I made a post analyzing Death's end of day. I want you to look at that post and tell me what you think. Do you agree with the conclusion I made there?

For added context, I wasn't even getting off work - but instead having to drive to a client's office to do some late day work there, which lasted me well past deadline

To be clear Ben I did not suspect you for the timing of the vote. Or even the laziness of it alone. That I can see a townBen tho.
But the sheepvote in combination with it being on your previously townread Red is what made me vote you.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Last night I didn't lose my vote but my reputation instead. Meaning last night I would have scanned guilty and seen commiting all kills.

Okay now THIS sounds like 3rd party.

So nights 1,2,3 you obtained nothing and only lost your vote???

htaeD posted...

To be clear Ben I did not suspect you for the timing of the vote. Or even the laziness of it alone. That I can see a townBen tho.
But the sheepvote in combination with it being on your previously townread Red is what made me vote you.

Yeah, I can understand maybe, it just seemed like you understood more than anyone that I was at work and thus didnt even know, maybe Red had been scanned guilty or something, my vote just felt useless and I didnt have a clear preference to think Peaf or MI was scummier than Red either, is the problem.

You'll see now that I almost regret making that post calling Red town in the first place, since I have problems with the post that I snap called him town for. But you couldnt have really known that before I got a chance to explain myself this morning.

It is interesting how aggressively you defended yourself...probably a good thing. I'm seeing good in everyone and its a problem ):

PunishedBen posted...

Alright, I feel like I accidentally derailed the Red lynch yesterday and I now regret it. Once I actually had time to READ the long Red post, I have questions. I thought it was good at first glance because it looked like he was sharing thoughts on his way out. Something i dont expect scum Red to do as he would shut up if his lynch was inevitable. But I found that the post wasnt as conclusive as I assumed.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/51217345.png
"As someone that has nailed my head on a pike as scum with good reason, this has been weak."

Should MI be nailing you harder if you are in fact not scum??? If you're town then why read him this way as not lynching you hard enough?

And smaller nitpick,but why did you word it as "Game state says i should want to lynch Peaf or MI". As opposed to you wanting to lynch Peaf or MI?

Speaking of. Red, any interest in addressing these? I guess the MI read for one, and if that still holds true

I fear I may have a pet peeve about people being smug about misreading me.
In your defense I never get that from you since our history has always been about a lack of confidence in reading, lol.

Just some speculation, but what if its "lose your vote to scan innocent and not get seen doing any kills"

ctesjbuvf posted...

I don't choose if I get the negative affect, but I do choose which of the negative affects I get if I get a negative. I picked the vote loss the first three nights because I thought it wouldn't be too bad in this sized game early.

Last night it was my idea that losing the reputation instead would not give any false results whatever given with all the claims and thus I could have the vote again.

So at the start of the night phase, host PM's you saying "Congratulations, pick a negative effect!" ?

PunishedBen posted...

Just some speculation, but what if its "lose your vote to scan innocent and not get seen doing any kills"

So like a defacto godfather?

htaeD posted...

Okay I think you sorta already explained that, but I will ask again for maybe more details.
So you didnt townread Red at the time?

In the brief moment where I glanced to see if Red was posting and saw his long post, I then shot him up to being higher than MI and Peaf without much thought. (It was also combined with Ulti still saying that Red was town. ). Thats when I unvoted. Then when I was not able to look at the game i could only think of reasons NOT to vote MI and Peaf, so when I cam back I was fine with voting Red, or any of the three that Kirby switched to. The only way I wouldn't have sheeped Kirby is if he suddenly decided to vote someone not in the those 3 vanilla claims lol.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

So like a defacto godfather?

Maybe not the ninja part since Wallz already seemed to fill that role. But I was just going off the opposite of what he gave us for the condition he fulfilled tonight, which sounds bizarre for town to have

ctesjbuvf posted...

Last night I didn't lose my vote but my reputation instead. Meaning last night I would have scanned guilty and seen commiting all kills.

So Ctes' role doesn't have any beneficial effects to it?

You're telling me Lea and Sultan created a role that's purely designed to be anti-town in every possible situation?

I don't buy it. It's Day 4. If Ctes has any useful information for town, he should claim it now lest he ends up dead and taking that info to the grave.

TotallyNotMI posted...

And if you guys are going to lynch me today please do it in the first 24 hours so I can move on and enjoy my weekend.

Just lynch those three after

And right now I would easily vote Red over MI >_>

He says he has beneficial effects, but I'm more interested in how he possibly obtains them over the negative ones than I am interested in what they are. What they are, I can understand not claiming if town, but what about how to obtain?

Ctes said his role does have a chance for positive values, but I am not sure from his words when or how that happens.
RNG roles do suck yes.
Why on earth Ctes didnt claim this sooner (like a sortof miller role) so he could make votes sooner is my next question.

PunishedBen posted...

Maybe not the ninja par

What Ninja part?

Why bother claiming if you're just gonna speak in riddles ugh

We're at a point in the game where a town case could potentially be made for every player here. We need more info to narrow the PoE and reduce our chances of mislynching. Throwing this mess of a claim just makes things more confusing.

PunishedBen posted...

So nights 1,2,3 you obtained nothing and only lost your vote???

Well I either obtain or lose something. Both can't happen. It's not compulsive though I can also just not gamble it.

PunishedBen posted...

So at the start of the night phase, host PM's you saying "Congratulations, pick a negative effect!" ?

No it's more like ballots. I choose a combination of positive and negative affects, then at the end of the night I am told which one in the pair I got.

Kirby321 posted...

I don't buy it. It's Day 4. If Ctes has any useful information for town, he should claim it now lest he ends up dead and taking that info to the grave.

I have nothing, I have gotten the negative every single night.

htaeD posted...

Why on earth Ctes didnt claim this sooner (like a sortof miller role) so he could make votes sooner is my next question.

I thought game was big enough that it wasn't crucial earlier, I would rather use it to reaction test.

It might have been objectively smarter to just not act at times, but I thought that would be less fun.