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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

mom, DO YOU THINK I'M HOT???
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

i'm gonna have a panic attack aughhhh
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

oh fuck it

FUCK
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

cavs want jayson tatum hellll no
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

I remember that review. The writer was a queer black woman who believed that all male-initiated heterosexual sex was rape.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

i'm on board with the public shaming, but it's the letters/emails shared in confidence - somewhat ironically the most interesting and damning part - that feel too personal to be broadcast
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

If you don't discuss GoT at all, especially with superfans, and you are a week-to-week watcher instead of a binge-watcher, then the mythology of the show can be near-impenetrable. The show sits in this weird position where you practically need extra effort to understand it fully, but where it constantly makes moves for the sake of casuals that undermine the enjoyment for people who put in that extra effort.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

MariaTaylor posted...

game of thrones season 7 version of the red wedding

robb has just been shot with crossbow bolts. then, suddenly, blackfish and the hound both run in and start killing freys.

lmfao
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

quotes from whedon to his wife

“When I was running ‘Buffy,’ I was surrounded by beautiful, needy, aggressive young women. It felt like I had a disease, like something from a Greek myth. Suddenly I am a powerful producer and the world is laid out at my feet and I can’t touch it.”

“I’ve never loved anyone or wanted to be with anyone in any real or long-term way except for you ever. And I love our life. I love how you are, how we are, who you are and what we’ve done both separately and together, how much fun we have…”

“In many ways I was the HEIGHT of normal, in this culture. We’re taught to be providers and companions and at the same time, to conquer and acquire — specifically sexually — and I was pulling off both!”
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

foolm0r0n posted...

The sex scene between the Night King and Arya was a bit much though

I thought it was well written, but the part where she's wearing Jaime's face kind of took me out of it.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

i think we need a lot more of the books for [spoiler] to be better than beric. so far [spoiler] in the books isn't that great even.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

speaking of beric

he gave off MAJOR obi-wan kenobi vibes this episode, i think we can all agree

but i loved this particularly star wars-esque exchange:

Jon: Daenerys is our only hope.
Beric: No... there is another.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

WoIfOfLight posted...

SeabassDebeste posted...

disappointing, but not remotely surprising. the male characters with whom he identifies in buffy and firefly have major issues with women.

Exactly my feelings, and any positive empowerment messages now just feels rather performative than actually meant to be empowering.

tbh, i don't think of buffy/firefly as 'empowering women' in the traditional sense. but he does create (some) complex female characters with worthwhile motivations, and that, at least, is admirable.

though honestly, there are fewer of those in angel than in buffy, fewer in firefly than in angel, and fewer in the avengers than in firefly, so yeah
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

disappointing, but not remotely surprising. the male characters with whom he identifies in buffy and firefly have major issues with women.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

trailers show the unsullied and the dothraki at the gates of king's landing, and i'm pretty sure euron's fleet back in shipbreaker's bay at king's landing's shores. we don't see euron's face. it looks like that ocean siege was lifted by the greyjoys, or that the unsullied simply didn't bother trying to hold the rock and marched east instead.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

Without giving a single detail, I really liked the trailer for next week. Visually, at least, it looks wonderful, and the settings are really exciting to me.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

actual line from the creator on after the episode:

We were thinking, "How can you possibly survive that situation?" and we came upon the idea that the one way they could survive was that they would be in the middle of an island. And we thought if you put five, ten thousand wights on the ice, that might believably break it.

so yeah. essentially, they're not hiding the fact that they are moving the characters according to the plot and not according to the rules.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

I think there's some bad writing - it's very clear almost all the time that there are X dots that the writers want to connect, and that . But there are also some unmatchable expectations and there's an understandable impatience that's often pretty unfair.

The example that comes to mind: Jon is in possession of the ancestral Mormont sword, Longclaw. It was a gift to him by the Old Bear, who foresook all his titles. The sword no longer belong to House Mormont when he left the Watch, and was bestowed upon Jon for a reason. A lot of fans were really salty in earlier episodes that no Mormont - Lyanna or Jorah - ever commented on Jon's possessing this blade. Keep in mind I never had an issue with this.

In 7x06, when we finally get a chance to breathe, Jon takes two minutes of precious screen time to return the sword to Jorah. This scene almost explicitly kowtowing to fans' desires - and I've yet to hear a word of acknowledgement that this 'loose end' was tied up. It's kind of a no-win situation there when it comes to expectations.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

do we have any evidence that dragonglass/valyrian steel has any outsized impact on wights
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

I also enjoyed Gendry essentially shitting his pants when he realized what he was up against. Dude essentially got a taste of the Quentyn Martell existence.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

beric deserves some ups for his line in a week rife with bad writing
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

i believe ravens are homing. it's possible that the raven from EW was brought from dragonstone and only delivered to dragonstone.

... however, tormund was dispatched from winterfell to man EW, so it makes zero sense that they would not have winterfell ravens there.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

FFDragon posted...

if you can't spare the half day teleport to show your face in Winterfell

... nice
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

i haven't really tried to justify the writing beyond the wall, just the sansa/arya stuff! the show has been taking writing shortcuts but i've basically shut down my critical mind because show's been doing its best to deliver fist-pumping moments. basically justifying the means (bad writing) with the ends (dragons versus zombies! tormund and the hound bromancing!). it's a very different way of enjoying the show versus S1-S4 (or even episodes like 7x04), but i've decided the issues are too gaping to single out at this point!
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

OliviaTremor posted...

Just like the White Walkers and Wights but guess who's coming south of the wall next season?

Seriously, the logical fallacies people use to defend poor writing is ridiculous.

i'm all for ripping the writing currently

but using future events (that have yet to happen) to claim that past events are failures is just plain wrong

it's a pretty common theory that the wall goes down, in fact, which would make no inconsistency wrt white walkers
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

That might be the case, but I'm not sure it makes sense if the Wall is specifically designed to fight undead magic. I wouldn't imagine the White Walkers could reanimate something on the south side of the Wall.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

it's been inconsistent. S1's wights *pretended* to be dead until they were at castle black, at which point they reanimated and tried to assassinate the old bear. that's extremely high-level stuff - maybe the less decayed ones are more intelligent?

(edit) i'm purely speculating idly. i know that D&D almost certainly do not have consistent answers for us, either.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

Bospsychopaat posted...

And the one wight not falling apart makes perfect sense for the scouting party. You don't want all of your scouts immediately dying if someone kills the WW. So you keep one wight of your own (raised by the night king) to keep tabs on the scouting party and know where the enemy is.

i considered this, but recently, the wights have not shown signs of being intelligent enough to be useful in that regard
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Hey guys

If the wights can't swim across a small moat, how did they dive and fish out a sunken dragon?

in fairness, fishing out the sunken dragon doesn't require swimming, just sinking while holding the chain and then putting the chain on the beast once you get to the bottom.

Anagram posted...

Stannis is the only person in Westeros even more unyielding than Ned Stark.

neither stannis nor ned is unyielding in the grand scheme of things

ned makes compromises and lies for his children all the time, and he winds up going with littlefinger's plan of bribery when it comes time to throw down

stannis allows the remnants of renly's host to join him instead of attainting them as traitors; he flees king's landing before ned gets there like a coward; he comes to castle black with sellswords from the iron bank. he's a stickler, but when the chips are on the table he'll compromise to get it done. in the books he compromises even more, especially in ADWD.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

foolm0r0n posted...

That being said, all this talk about bad writing made me remember we had entire seasons of God awful Reek and High Septon and such storylines, so this kind of dumb but still entertaining nonsense is not so bad

preach!
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

maybe the night king warged everyone in dragonstone to make them agree to such a fucking stupid idea

i mean holy shit man
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

two thoughts

1. it's possible that being severed gives the hand a limited lifetime

2. the white walkers are linked to winter, so it's possible that as winter pushes south, it's more likely that a wight can still be animated in the south

but yeah, i've had this complaint since 4x10 when we first saw the rotted undead

4x10 was probably the turning point for this show. so many bad scenes.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Has it been mentioned yet that the worst part of what was arguably the sloppiest episode of all time was the fucking convenience that all the wights died when their master is killed EXCEPT FOR ONE BECAUSE THE PLOT NEEDS IT

FEED ME MORE OF YOUR HATE YES

the writing this episode, in terms of plot events beyond the wall, was fucking terrible

but we knew this, coming into the episode. the plan was sheer garbage; most characters did stuff because it would put them into cool action scenes (my biggest hater moment was jon getting dragged underwater - the only reason that scene existed was so benjen could rescue him)

but seriously guys we got white walkers vs dragons, plus cleganebowl motherfucking confirmed

imma just shut my brain off and enjoy that

My Immortal posted...

I feel like Arya failing to become No One, meeting nice Lannisters, and her reaction to hearing Jon was alive was all supposed to show us that she ISN'T truly dark and sociopathic.

Which the last two episodes are trying to undo.

doesn't mean she's not paranoid, though

i think one thing about the lannister soldiers is that they never once gave arya a real reason to distrust them, and eventually gave her a reason to like them (generosity to a stranger, not raping her like she expected)

sansa is arya's sister, but it's almost because of the baggage that arya's incapable of objectivity there. (trailer) but we still have yet to hear sansa's 'the pack survives' quote from ned.

as for arya falling for LF's machinations - arya doesn't know LF is one-up on her. in fact, LF looks like he's the stalkee here, to arya, which gives her another reason to be less sure.

anyway KEEP HATING ON WINTERFELL Y'ALL
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

EndOfDiscOne posted...

I had been saying this season was an improvement on 5 and 6, but nope! It has hit rock bottom. But I'm glad there are still some intelligent people here who can enjoy it.

Not sure if the word intelligent is sarcastic here!
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

xp1337 posted...

Gendry points out that Arya was an idiot for not sending Jaqen after actual important targets like Tywin and Joffrey after they escape and Arya can only reply with "shut up" more or less.

arya overlooked the possibilities. tywin wasn't obviously evil, and jaqen essentially tole her that it would take an indeterminate amount of time to be able to kill tywin.

also, it's freaking arya. this is not a character who has sympathy for those she considers her enemy. she's deeply messed up

and as kph pointed out, sansa and arya's relationship was *ruined* by sansa betraying arya. it lost the girls both direwolves, and sansa still refused to see cersei or joffrey as evil fucks. arya hasn't seen what the relationship between sansa and the lannisters was like after ned's death. and she doesn't truly know what sansa is like now.

and she's not wrong that sansa still cares about power and the trappings of wealth.

arya is unsympathetic and sees everyone as her enemy. oh, and it looked very much like littlefinger - on sansa's behalf - was trying to hide sansa's "continued" betrayal. it's obvious that LF is up to something from arya's perspective, but it's not clear, after she reads the message, that LF is not in bed with sansa.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

i fucking loved this episode

there's a lot of immersion-breaking shit and the plan is preposterous, but that was already decided in episode 5

the fanservice this episode was incredible

and people complaining about arya/sansa seem to be missing that this is who arya is
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

yeah, awesome adaptation there. and we never "see" the fight in the books. that was awesome choreography.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

it's considerably more beautiful in prose (pale as milkglass, alive with light), but book 1 was by far the most hollywood-ish, imo. lots more coincidences to drive the plot forward, lots of made-for-tv quotes like tyrion's advice to jon.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

Anagram posted...

Besides, the Iron Islands also don't follow normal inheritance rules and no one in Westeros likes them. They clearly have their own wacky system of voting.

female rulers might be different, but the kingsmoot hadn't been held in centuries before the asha/euron one, due to the ironborn bending the knee to aegon and no longer even being kings
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

RyoCaliente posted...

Here's the passage

even though the conclusion was wrong, i loved that you reposted this passage. gonna read it again.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

not inaccurate...
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

probably next week then
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

DoomTheGyarados posted...

It was actually deleted because I censor bypassed in the opening.

For the record.

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what???
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

ExThaNemesis posted...

First time the show blatantly fucks its own continuity.

i doubt it's the first. but yeah it was abjectly terrible.

i think you can partially blame diferent episodes having different writing staffs and directors for this one. each crew is focused on its own episode, making it as dramatic as possible. 7x04's crew was focused on having a cool ending for that episode; 7x05's crew didn't feel dealing with that added anything.

the result: utter bullshit.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

if there were something to report i'd have posted it ._.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

might watch some later tonight. packing for now though.
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

if you think that this is gonna purge on my watch then think again
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

Well the leak sucks for us who haven't seen it, because all the people who did see it won't be posting in this topic anymore, and it's the constant flow of opinions that fuels this topic between Tuesday and Saturday normally.

Fortunately I'll be sustaining myself less on this topic this week, as I have other activities starting tomorrow!
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness

like in the specifically created leaks topic!
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yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness