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pegusus123456 posted...

It's also possible the branch was successful in spite of Michael. I think Jim and Dwight were the top salesman in the company.

If we were really want to be fair about it... this is a part of it. Again, you could argue it was in spite of manager Michael, not salesman Michael. When he left, he had a loooot of clients that he gave to Andy, and while some were lost, they were able to keep quite a few I'm sure. Then you also factor in Jim and Dwight, and of course Scranton did well. They had perhaps the top 3 salesman in the company (Michael, Jim, Dwight), all great for their own reasons, and that was able to counter Michael's inefficiencies as a manager.

The best way we can see this is that Andy went into Michael's position, and the branch still did fine (as a matter of fact, didn't it even do better?). I don't even think Andy is that good of a manager tbh from what we seen, but Jim and Dwight on board would consistently help them.

Michael (and I suppose Andy for that matter) succeeded because I suppose he was unwilling to fire people which led to a consistent branch where you didn't have to put money into training new employees constantly (the other salesmen were good workers too). For instance, Pam was not too successful as a salesperson and probably was replaceable as a receptionist, but him keeping her around is what made it where Jim stayed around the entire time (albeit, it's not like Michael was doing it for specifically that purpose, it was just an unintended benefit of it), along with keeping people like Dwight around despite his many actions that would have led him to being tossed out the door. The family aspect was a thing that helped Dunder Mifflin out for sure, but I wouldn't say Michael would have been the type of manager you want on board in the long-term as his old staff leaves and he fails to continue to have that whole dynamic with the new workers.


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There was wisdom in that episode, mixed with buffoonery. I always thought Michael's final quote to Ryan was the best about "Good managers don't fire people, they hire and inspire people" along with the never made a sale retort he did. It's not exactly true, you have to know when to fire people, but firing people will never make a company become #1. There are times when a board of directors brings on a ceo specifically for the purpose of firing people... but that's to save a company. You need a ceo that understands the business theory that colleges try to teach (some failing, while others giving good gems of knowledge here and there) mixed with their own intuition and innovation to truly build a thriving company. The problem is, especially on the ground-level of business, business theory is not the sole weapon to use. You need personality and charisma, which obviously Ryan lacked. You may know the steps a good business should take, but I think we all know many "good steps" to take in life, but fail because of third variables.

Of course, business-theory is important. The many missteps Dunder Mifflin took is why they went backrupt. They had a lot of charismatic guys, but obviously had an old mindset. It's also the cause of many of the problems Michael Scott faces as a manager when he does make major errors with the clients as a manager rather than as a salesperson.

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ZevLoveDOOM posted...

im pissed at how much they ruined Andy in the final season and turned him into a major asshole.

i mean, he was kind of a dick before but i started to like him more as the show progressed. then for some reason, they decided "hey, lets make him unlikeable again" on the final season...

Yeah, season 9 had a lot of issues.

8 honestly I could see myself rewatching one day (usually I only watch 2-7) since it has its fair share of good stuff. 9 though, the finale sure, but everything else... yeahhhh.

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The cringe humor is the appeal of The Office. It's just natural as someone else pointed out. Without Michael Scott, while the rest of the ensemble is funny... it kinda loses it's competitive edge over other sitcoms. It just becomes another sitcom, and even worse, I'd argue season 9 is a bad sitcom. The last few episodes are good, but I still wouldn't really call them hilarious like it was in the earlier seasons (albeit, I like series finales for giving closure and acting as a goodbye to us more than needing to be funny so I give it a pass).

Parks and Rec is a good show to me... but to me, it also was mainly a smirk or maybe a chuckle rather than me finding it really, really funny. There was a point in Parks and Rec where it honestly felt more like a feel-good show with comedy rather than a legit sitcom. The criticisms towards Michael, or even Jim and Pam make it evident that there's a large group of people that only accept stoic, snarky/suave but kind, or full-on-Dwight. If they don't fall into one of those groups, then people think that makes the show bad, despite the fact that characters that you want to root for but still find uncomfortable like Michael create a lot of unique jokes and situations. Not that those three groups are bad, I love Dwight for instance, it's just that a normal sitcom only includes those three archetypes whereas a great sitcom includes a much greater diversity.

For all the insults a character like Jim gets for being the goody-two-shoes, I think the Office unintentionally showed how Jim is a unique and great character as the "main protagonist/good guy" of the show compared to others when they brought in their own parody of him in Plop. Plop is a nice guy, one you'd expect as a main protagonist given a little more development, but he's far from a Jim. Jim actually had some spice to him, to the point where you did question if he was a bully in some ways or self-righteous in others.

Again, like Parks and Rec, but I do feel people who love that show and then come in to watch The Office and trash on it for its "annoying" characters more so than any group misunderstands that the dynamic doesn't have to be like Parks and Rec all the time. I partially blame people for heavily comparing the two as brother/sister shows, when they really have distinct tones for much of their respective series. This isn't me saying you can't dislike The Office, or that it's better than your show, and I understand this is starting to verge onto being an Office version of the Rick and Morty copypasta, but I just never understood why people are confused that people find it funny.

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I don't think Cheer Up Charlie is thaaat bad.

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Zelda_Aran posted...

Diamond & Pearl had so many issues with the game running like molasses, so i got kinda impatient and just steamrolled Cynthia with Dialga and revives... which I'm sure will trigger some butthurt Cynthia fanboy that i used a box legendary to turn his perfect waifu (she's sooo tough) into an uneventful Tuesday afternoon. Granted, even w/o Dialga, i feel like she wouldn't have been that tough.

I should play Platinum someday, though.

Eh, I think if the game didn't want you to use the legendaries, they wouldn't let you catch them before the Elite 4. Since they gave you the option, no one should be upset you used it. Game should be able to workaround that if it really wants to.

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Srk700 posted...

I'd say Blue (the original rival who following rivals are most often compared to) and Red (for being Red, aka the original playable character and the character Ash was based on) are more iconic fights, but Cynthia is probably 3rd.

You know, I was being a little unfair to Blue partially. Maybe as a champ, I don't really remember him much since he doesn't have some over-the-top design or such, but he was the best rival of the games, and the one that felt like a true enemy/rival.

They really need the main rival to be hateable again. Beating Blue is satisfying... beating someone like Hop, I just start to feel bad after I crush him for the 100th time easily.

I know people like to scream genwunner at people who like gen 1 the most, but gen 1 did some things better than the others in certain aspects.

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TendoDRM posted...

I can't remember who Cynthia even is.

Am I not understanding what iconic means? How are Brock and Misty not up there?

I just meant specifically with the game community. If you include all of Pokemon, then obviously the most iconic is Ash followed by the anime crew (Misty, Brock, May, maybe Dawn... then I kinda think the anime lost some of its massive following in America around that point).

I have to say, if it wasn't for the anime, I don't even think Misty gets that much love compared to other female gym leaders imo. Brock would probably still be iconic as far as trainers go because he's the first real boss fight/gym leader.

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Idk, it might depend on the circumstances. I beat her first try in Platinum... but that was with the power of max revives.

Additionally, some of the people may have been younger and not really valued having a full team of strong pokemon. As I said, when I was younger, I couldn't even get to her in Diamond because I just grinded Torterra while leaving the rest of my pokemon behind. I got murdered pretty easily in the Elite Four (I guess the rest of the game must have been easy up to that point because nothing ever made me stop and think if my strategy of only focusing on one pokemon was majorly flawed). I mean, it took me until the 7th generation to actually try to incorporate strategies other than "put MAX POWER moves on each pokemon." I used to be a Fire Blast fanboy. Not only that, but I really ignored the value of STAB and attack vs special attack. To me, higher number = better number (so I would put high powered special attack moves on a physical attacker or vice versa).

Shoot, I still don't even bother with EV's. Also, IV's could make your pokemon be sucky, but do you think us younger kids ever bothered to check that kinda stuff? I still don't give a damn, especially with modern-day pokemon where they really made it easy to get through the main campaign.

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

In DP you can go back and capture Dialga/Palkia if you KO them then beat the elite 4.

I think I learned about that later (although when I was making this topic, I couldn't remember if that was something all games shared or just Platinum as I knew you could revisit them there I'm pretty sure), but younger me didn't know that and thought he just lost the chance at Dialga forever.

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SerperiorThanU posted...

It's awesome but it didn't even get its own Smash remix. Part of it was put inside the Johto battle medley. Gen 7 champion is in Smash but it's the original. Cynthia is the only champion theme that got its own remix.

Anyway, Pokemon Masters did a remix of Cynthia/Steven/Lance and it's epic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR2JCa5dwLo
I think this cements Cynthia's theme as the best to me personally though since when put together like this Cynthia's sections are my favorite part and the part I rewind to a lot.

I forgot about her remix in Smash. Man, gen 4 is my favorite gen, so I'm glad to see it get love. As I said, her theme isn't my personal favorite by a longshot, but I respect it still.

Speaking of Smash, it's a shame Sword/Shield weren't out yet. I think VS. Champion Leon would have made for a better Smash theme.

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ShineboxPhil posted...

That last world cup of hockey tournament was a farce full of insulting gimmicks like the Team North America under 23 team and Team Europe

Guys like Draisaital and Kopitar grow up wanting to represent their country not playing for Team Europe.

Compared to the Olympics, I definitely agree.

For one thing, team NA automatically capped both Canada and USA, removing some of their best potential players. Also, combining all of Europe with the exception of a few countries... yeah, imagine just telling all the distinct Asian countries they are going to be one team, and to just go with it. It was so sad how horrible team USA was too, gosh that was bad.

Now, the tournament did have a chance to be fun with Team NA, I will admit, I jumped on the bandwagon. It was the only exciting team in the tournament, but with their elimination, I cannot say I gave a single damn about the finale (was it Canada vs Europe? I honestly forget).

As soon as the news came out that the Olympics were being cut, and that the World Cup was a "consolation" prize if you can even call it that, for the players... ugh.

No one gave a damn about the World Cup of Hockey! Did Bettman really think this is what would draw more people to 4th place major sport in America? Really?!? As I said, the Olympics were always prime-time for the NHL players. That's where they got their highest viewership, sometimes even higher than a game 7 of a World Series or such. To take away all of those eyes... man, I don't know what they were thinking but short-term greed.

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SerperiorThanU posted...

Cynthia's theme is the best battle theme in the whole series to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXefFHRgyE0
Clearly a fairly popular opinion since it has more views than any other battle themes on youtube.

They even made a music video for it
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Battle_gene_M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkhOikfcqDg

Dang, is this true? I always assumed Vs. Trainer Red (and Champion Lance) would be the most-viewed theme.

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Red > Blue > Lance > Cynthia

I like the Gen 1/Gen 2 champ themes a lot better myself. I can't speak for fights because I haven't played Gen 2 or 1 in forever! Screw Blue for being cheap and picking the reverse of our starter, though, lol.

Slayer_22 posted...

Not enough love for Steven imho.

I blame Emerald.... speaking of which. Is Steven the Sapphire/Ruby champ or the Emerald champ? Who was even the champ of ORAS?!?

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I just slowly grew out of it when I couldn't support my religious beliefs with that of science anymore. It just took too much work, and things just felt very arbitrary with religion.

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NeonOctopus posted...

I think it's a combination of her being a good character/trainer and everyone wanting to shove their dick in her >_>

She was the first female champion, right? Considering the next female champ is a little girl, and the one after is the most forgettable final boss in Pokemon history (XY), she doesn't have much competition on that front.


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ShineboxPhil posted...

The NHLPA has agreed to go to China for 2022. It's all on Bettman and the owners now.

The NHL players always wanted the Olympics. It was always Bettman and the owners that messed it up. Unless this is something used by the PA as leverage to avoid a lockout, it's hard to say. I know hockey wanted to do it's own World Cup, which was exciting at first... until I realized they only did that to justify cutting the Olympics.

I really hope the NHLPA fights for it man. Olympic hockey put eyes on the sport, and was always the highlight of each olympics. Shoot, I think I hear 2/3rds of Canada watched the game in 2010 and around 30 million americans watched it!!! NHL could only wish for those kinda numbers.

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I think men's soccer, and now unfortunately, hockey suffers in the olympics because of the pro-ban.

As someone who thinks the Olympics should be about the best of the best, not having the best there sucks. Men's hockey was always the MOST hype part of any of the olympics but god damn NHL had to kill it. I didn't give a damn about it last time, which was a shame. The women's hockey was cool, but the lack of physicality in it kinda hurts it.

Just hate the NHL commissioner. He sucks.

Same goes for baseball by the way. It's finally come back, would have been nice to allow mlb considering this will be the only one with baseball in quite a while. It's going away after this, so that's sad.

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gunplagirl posted...

Hers is the most iconic. When you walked into that house in Undella Town and see her, you probably said some variation of "f this shit I'm out".

I wish I could have experienced that! Those kinda moments I don't think I ever got to experience (Like Trainer Red, I didn't even know you could go to Kanto, so that's like so much of the game I missed!). I'm honestly struggling to think of too many "holy cow" moments from my childhood because either the game didn't really have it, or by the time I do get to experience those moments, I have had it spoiled by the internet 100 times already. For Pokemon, closest for me was the XY Looker quest that I had no idea was in the game, so that was a neat surprise that I stumbled upon.

When Black/White came out, that was when I hit my "Pokemon is lame" phase of life. A part of me kinda wanted them, but at the same time, I was fully on the CoD train. MW2 and Black Ops were my new life. I don't regret it, those games were hella fun, but I did miss out on those games unfortunately. Used to hear they sucked too, but that was probably because that's when I finally kept up with internet discussions, and of course, new games are always people's least favorite.

Just talked about the other day how I wish I could find a dang copy of those games for cheap! What a shame, lol.

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Yeah, the retro game market suuucks.

It single-handedly made me start to open up to digital if need be. I still prefer getting games physical, but for some games, it's just too much of a hassle.

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I feel like she's definitely the most iconic champion. Guess you could go with Blue as well, but eh, outside of being gen-1 so of course he'll be remembered for nostalgia's sake, people don't really talk about him as much as a champion.

First place goes to Trainer Red of course (which was honestly very well-built. Props to Game Freak for that).

Personally, she's cool, but I think her music is a little meh honestly. Doesn't hit the sweet spot for me, never played it, but I love Iris' theme; I think she has my favorite champion music (although, for all the flak it got, gen 8 had some pretty good music to me personally and the Leon theme is pretty energetic).

I do remember never even making it to her in Diamond because I was a dumb kid that only leveled up Torterra like I've always done in Pokemon games. At some point, he'd get blown out and it was gg for me. In Platinum, I'm pretty sure they lowered the levels, and I also actually used another brain cell and trained my pokemon throughout, so I was able to get to her first try. It was kinda epic since I only had one more revive left and she had her last pokemon left. I had to choose between Staraptor and Togekiss (I wasn't too keen on pokemon, only knew the former had higher attack while the latter had more hp). Went with Staraptor and one-shot the Roserade with an aerial ace. Felt very satisfying and like I avenged my Trainer from Diamond who just couldn't get there. Oh yeah, in Diamond, I had to live with the shame of one-shotting Dialga with my Torterra's Earthquake, and not getting to catch it. I didn't save before hand, so yeah.... sad day, lol. It's crazy, in just a few years, how much better of a gamer I became. I always feel like I could rarely beat a game when I was young because I was too dumb, and then suddenly, it just all came together.

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Scotty_Rogers posted...

CHAD Mario and Virgin Sonic

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I kinda like both. Never got the Charlie movie hate personally.

Now, I do have to say something I've always felt. I have not read the book, so I have no idea how it goes down, but I do feel like the bratty girl should have been the final kid with Charlie. She was clearly the anti-Charlie, someone horrible that got everything handed to her, had no business making it that far, and felt like the main kid antagonist of the movie honestly.

Like, I love the movie, but I always felt like there was a lull in it after she left... and it's because it feels like the main force of evil already lost. That dumb kid who becomes mini... no one cares about him; I kinda feel like he has the least memorable defeat out of all of them. Not only that, but we went from the bratty girls' iconic "I want it now" villain song to some weird tech (at least I assume it is, I can't even remember it that well) song as the penultimate climactic finish.

Her serving as the last kid would have given kids the hero to root for in Charlie, but also a villain to absolutely hate in her. Cowboy jokeo pants just made us yawn as we knew they had to find some contrived way to get him out of there so it could be Charlie solely remaining. The bratty selfish girl also would have been a nice contrast as stated above, and given kids a lesson in how those undeserving make it far in life (but this time with a good end of course).

The movie is very interchangeable I believe in the Wonka factory section. I believe you can swap a lot of the scenes around, and it ends up being relatively the same since each section of the Wonka factory feels divided from the rest. Imagine if you made a cut of the movie where first they end up in the tech room (First as in out of that, the fan scene, and the bratty girl's comeuppance). Bratty girl and father are there in the background, looking snotty and stuff. Cowboy No-one-gives-a-damn becomes tiny and the Oompa Loompas sing. Afterward Gramps and Charlie nearly get hacked to death by the fan, making kids worry that not only will Charlie lose... but the brat is actually going to win it all! The horror that'd be. Luckily, the two survive and we finally get the final kid eliminated when the bratty girl lets her selfish greed plummet her to the bottom of despair: kids cheering that she's gone... and wait, Charlie won!!!

Sorry, I felt like this was my opportunity to spread this. It's something I believe in strongly, and hope you all can see too. Maybe the movie plays in order of the book, I don't know, but I think this should have been a change from the novel to the film; it would have made the movie better. The movie just felt like the climax happened one step too early.

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Bayonetta in Smash 4 and Meta Knight in Brawl.

Fierce Deity Link

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soulunison2 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPR9Q8YfjMA

Damn, that was the opposite. Felt like it was ending on a sad note and then BAM, twist happy ending, lol. Good for him.

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soulunison2 posted...

https://youtu.be/sQ5iwGApwLM

Bruh, now I'm a little sad. I hope he was able to fix up a few things about himself, and find someone that wants to be with him just as much as he wants to be with them.

It was a little unfair to him that the girl sat by him, during the perfect match segment and then said "just friends, sorry!" Not that he's entitled to her or that she owes him something, but more so the fact that she didn't have to even sit by him in the first place rather than sit by him with no intention of actually trying to set up a date. People's feelings shouldn't be played with like that.

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You just posted cringe

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PiOverlord = cringe too, though.

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darkprince45 posted...

I got lucky last summer. Co worker was selling a 3ds with heart gold, soul silver, white, white 2, and Diamond for 100.

snatched that up quick

That's a god damn steal.

Purple_Cheetah posted...

Don't believe so and too lazy to check, because I had intentions of using it. Then like many a plan, other things got in the way.

Eh, it happens to the best of us. I still have Monster Hunter Gen Ultimate wrapped up for some reason, lol. Also Hyrule Warriors: AoC I opened like you, but never played it.

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DocDelicious posted...

You can play it on any smartphone or PC, right now. It would take maybe 2-3 minutes to get set up.

Well, I know, buuuuut we won't get into that, hehe.

Purple_Cheetah posted...

I'm gonna make you sad.

I bought heartgold when it was still on shelves, it's never left its box, and it's rotting in a drawer 2 feet behind me.

*I already had SoulSilver, so not even like I needed it.

Dang, well, at least you know that it's worth some decent cash if the mood ever strikes. When you say it never left it's box, do you mean it's still sealed too? If so, that'd be a great thing to hold onto for a good amount of years. I bet it'd be worth a pretty penny a decade or two down the line.

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That's my big problem. There's no digital alternative as Pokemon has been annoying about making their classics available for a long time.

I can't believe we had to celebrate Pokemon red/blue/yellow finally arriving in the year 2016.

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LostForest posted...

I love Pokemon and own at least one game from every mainline set. Heart Gold, included.

But then like 3 years ago my 13 year old step-nephew asked if he could borrow it. And even though I rarely ever lend games to people, against all instinct I told him sure.
Weeks later I asked for it back, he said he was still playing. Weeks after that I asked again and he said he had to look for it. Weeks later I asked yet again and he said he still needs to find it.

Never got it back. To this day I still hold it against him and don't like the kid lol.

Dang, that's rough. It's exactly why I never let people borrow games, just too much of a hassle, and too much stress.

As for those saying the price has always been high, I just figured the recent retro boom for GCN era also came to the 3DS when it comes to cart + box being super expensive nowadays. I mean, I can buy it, but it was more of a "would be nice to spend like 10 bucks on a cart if I have to and play good ol' pokemon." Spending basically 30 on a cart only on such an old game is not really a necessity for me. Sucks to hear that this game basically has never really devalued over time (and in fact, if you have the box, has actually increased since release).

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Not one person is just selling a used game with it's box still for a decent price?

I swear, the retro market is a pain sometimes. I bet you could have gotten it for cheap (for a Nintendo game) just a few years ago, but now the GCN/DS market must be at full power.

I never played the remakes, the og's were some of my first games. Was hoping to relive some Pokemon magic, but I think I'm going to have to pass, unfortunately. Like, even just getting the cart only is pretty expensive for a used, pretty old game.

Bummer.

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I book it. That's a fortune in my hands. The players and/or teams just gonna stuff it in a closet anyways.

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DarkBuster22904 posted...

to be honest, I don't think it's that complex.

All endgame needed to do to get rid of this problem is say "we don't know what will happen if we do this. Its never been done before."

Like, have guesses, and theories, and TRY to correct everything for a clean closed-loop. But just admit that possible divergences are just thing you aren't equipped to speak on. No Bruce telling all these hard and fast rules, no Ancient One spelling out the path of the multiverse. Just admit you don't know the consequences, and say "fuck it, let's take the risk."

Boom. Suddenly any time travel fuckery doesn't matter anymore. and very few people will care, because their eyes are on Thanos and not your funky rules. Then you can have all KINDS of fun with the fallout.

You got a good point. The idea you need to use pseudo-science to explain time travel is what leads to issues.

Still, I was fine with Endgame. I think post-release explanations were a bad idea, though.

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archedsoul posted...

I think I get what you're saying. You don't like the increased usage of Novikov's self-consistency principle in more recent media.

In that, time travel is already factored in and nothing can be changed. Closed loop. You are the reason for the present. Whatever happened, happened.

Back in the day, it wasn't really a big thing and you just went back in time and overwrote everything because of the change.

I also meant to say yeah. For me, too many people will only accept this use of time travel.

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DarkBuster22904 posted...

like anything else, it depends on how it's handled. If your story treats time travel as a tool or setpiece without a lot of rule-based preamble, then the finer points of the rules can be ignored. Back to the Future 1 and 3 work so well because despite being "time travel movies," the time travel itself isn't important. It doesn't feel the need to explain why 88 mph is important, how the Flux capacitor works, or any of that. Change something in the past, change something in the present. Effects are unpredictable, and the science is a McGuffin of the highest order. The meat of the story is the characters, not the tools.

In fact, BttF2 is the ONLY one that gets raked over the coals for its time travel, precisely BECAUSE it adds so many extra elements and rules and spends so much time talking about them that it practically BEGS the audience to hyper-analyze it. The plot is almost entirely dedicated to the rules of time travel, while the first and third are allowed to be mostly character pieces.

Endgame, despite only SORT OF being a time travel movie, has multiple characters giving weighty explanations of how their time travel works, why it works, what precise elements need to happen, with added explanations from mystic sages about potential pitfalls, and then deliberately breaks its own rules at multiple points. And then Marvel doubles down on it by requiring entire series dedicated to explaining shit away. It's not audiences demanding explanations ruining the experience; it's the script INVITING those questions.

Audiences don't need explanation so long as your script doesn't demand explanation. It's not just true of time travel, but any plot. It's the same thing that plagued the first two star wars sequel trilogy movies. in 1977-1983, star wars was a simple universe. We didn't need explanations of who the emperor was, or how exactly the Republic fell. Bad guy took over, now there's lots of bad guys, fight the bad guys. It was enough.

in 2015, after an entire prequel trilogy, decades of expanded content, and a movie pretty definitively showing all the evil force users getting taken out, suddenly star wars isn't as simple anymore. A faction as powerful as the First Order and Snoke don't get the same pass as the Empire, because the audience was given decades worth of context. Some explanation of who these people are is now required for people to buy into it. Of course, we all know how this all ended up when they DID bother to explain, but that's neither here nor there.

People only demand as much complexity as they are offered. Audiences don't NEED their time travel meticulously spelled out for them; the problem is that writers can't freaking help themselves but to wax eloquent on pseudo-scientific drivel, which in turn opens up all the questions people otherwise wouldn't bother with.

tl:Dr- less can sometimes be more, especially where time travel is concerned. Audiences mostly just want what's offered, and lots of writers write checks their script can't cash.

I respect this response.

I've always been a proponent for less is more, so I agree there.

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I am of the belief that Back to the Future was a fun time travel movie that didn't care too much about the idea of paradoxes and actually felt like time travel to its benefit. I hate how time travel is essentially just universe hopping at this point in many of the big movies. It's not just time travel, but I wish adults as a whole could just shut their brains off once in a while so we didn't have to make sure everything "made sense" (as typically time travel movies end up failing anyways in explanation since it's a hard concept to deal with). It's why we have to waste time hearing about useless explanations filled with jargon and pop-science fluff about x or y in order to satiate the adult crowds.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

I know I had to do a essay on the war of 1812 in school. Its such a brief footnote in our history of wars though I assume most people either dont know or have forgotten about it

It was a pretty big deal in terms of American international relations, and was a major test for what was still a relatively young country. I guess it's just kinda overshadowed with any impact it had being sandwiched in between The American Revolution and the Civil War. I mean, part of the issue is that, all I remember learning in history class each year were those two wars over and over. All the way from the beginning of history class in elementary to my freshman year. Kinda crazy how limited our scope was.

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Golden Gate Bridge has gotta be up there

I feel like kaiju movies have been unkind to the bridge.

mooreandrew58 posted...

Oddly enough I think the white house is the only structure in real life thats actually been destroyed at some point

Burned down once and then another fire in the West Wing as well.

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Yeah.

It's crazy how big predators used to be.

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Wasn't even thinking about the white house somehow!

That building is cursed. Is there any building that gets attacked more? It'd be hard to think of one.

Is the Empire State Building specifically targeted a lot of not really?

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Notti posted...

Does Tokyo count?

Eh, I'm thinking more of a specific structure that is noticeably shown destroyed.

Tokyo is a good pick for a terrible place to live, though, if you are in a movie, lol

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Doesn't matter if it gets repaired through magic or whatever shortly after.

Statue of Liberty? The Eiffel Tower? Mount Rushmore? The Sphinx has had it's fair share.

For this topic's purpose, animation is included too since Rushmore and the Sphinx usually get damaged there as a joke.

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Where are you parallelogram haters coming from?

They are rectangles with style! The virgin rectangle/square vs the chad parallelogram/rhombus

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Nah, Pentagons ugly as hell. 7-sided shapes aren't that bad. It feels too square but not square enough, gross.

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K181 posted...

Nah, heptagons are the worst.

So ugly and worthless that everybody just skips over them.

Nah, they forgettable but the good version of pentagons.

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God damn, I hate pentagons.

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I agree squares are strange. I put my soup in triangle bowls as they should be.

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pegusus123456 posted...

Zaheer is just a fantastic character. Some people were mad that Zaheer seems to have mastered airbending with zero training, but they even take that into account. Zaheer is by no means a master airbender. What he is is a master martial artist. If you watch his fight scenes, the vast majority of what he's doing with his airbending is extending the range of his martial arts and jumping higher. You can especially tell it when he fights Tenzin and it shows what an actual master can do.

I also liked that there was some push and pull with them. They succeed, but they also fail. I loved their failed kidnapping.

And also more absolutely brutal deaths. How many Nickelodeon shows have someone's head literally explode?

Yeah, considering he was an air bender devotee, I just figured it made sense he knew the technique many air benders possessed, on top of the martial art skills you mentioned. Tenzin would have won against Zaheer in a straight-up air vs air match, but we saw it quickly devolve into a 4 on 1.

With regards to everyone being defeated by him, I also just figure it has to do with many having no experience fighting air benders, nor records indicating how they did fight considering it had been 200 years since air benders were numerous in numbers.

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