Lurker > NBIceman

ELP wasn't necessarily bad in 2018, no, just really, really bland. He had no personality so it was really tough to ever care much about anything he was doing. His gimmick in the Bullet Club solved all that and then some.

Also helps that he went from being a midcard act in RevPro to one of the harder-pushed commodities in the New Japan Junior Division - that'll raise your profile any which way you look at it.

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El Phantasmo and Lance Archer are the two that jump out immediately to me.

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Fenix is one of those guys who will likely never come within spitting distance of my top 10 for a year, but who I'd also never begrudge being included in others'.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I just saw the clip of Kaira fighting for her life to not go through the table and Charlotte just not taking the fucking hint. Becky seemed to know immediately she was concussed, so I don't know how Charlotte didn't immediately know when she couldn't even take a spear properly and instead just doubled down and got pissed at her and STILL put her through a table.

The problem is that EVERYTHING in WWE is so freaking overproduced and scripted that nobody who was trained exclusively within its walls has any idea how to improvise. You see it pretty often with the less experienced wrestlers where something goes slightly wrong in a match and they just kind of stare at each other because they don't have the faintest clue of how to get back on track.

It's the same thing here, even if Charlotte is a step above that ilk. Can't get her up for a powerbomb because something is clearly wrong? It doesn't matter. She's supposed to powerbomb Kairi through a table and by God that's what she's gonna do come hell or high water.

That's why Becky seemed to have an idea of what was going on. Because she had the benefit of coming up through the indies originally where she had to learn how to perform like a human instead of a robot.

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Jakyl25 posted...

She was definitely concussed at SOME point though

And then it doesnt help when Charlotte starts slapping her for botching a spot

lmao

Kairi has more talent in her little toe than Charlotte does in her whole body and that's how she's gonna act?

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Been wanting to see more of this ever since the last showing. Definitely still looks awesome.

I don't love the hit lag that's in there now, but by the end of the video I was barely even noticing it so I guess I'll get used to it pretty quick.

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Sounds like fun!

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The Serenity Now

But I haven't seen as much Seinfeld as a lot of folks on this board.

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Fire Emblem Three Houses if you're counting SRPGs.

I think Ys 8 has made its way to the Switch by now too.

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Giggsalot posted...

i think i'm just about the only person who instinctively read it as Tee-dus from the very beginning

this whole debate is a bit headscratching for me really

You're not, it's always been Tee-dus for me too.

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Honestly, getting Heavy Armor to C for the Weight -3 ability can be worth it to a certain extent anyway provided you commit to it early.

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Yeah, that's pretty much it. There's enough ways to raise support that if you're diligent about it you can recruit everyone fairly easily. Gifts are the easiest because you get more money in 3H than you know what to do with anyhow.

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It's come to my attention that the Trigun theme does indeed have a name: "H.T." - in case you want to update that on your list.

Somehow I never knew that.

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Carole and Tuesday - Kiss Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsNm1LQUrXM

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First one that comes to mind...

Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Chasing Daybreak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RODngQ974ug

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FBike1 posted...

People just hate on it because it's popular to hate on.

Do you think maybe there's a chance stuff becomes popular to hate on for a reason? Like, for example, because it's actually worth hating on?

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enzootically

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You'll have to forgive the somewhat potato quality, I don't have that many recent pictures of myself.

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Shida being a Captain America fan >>>>

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One Piece - Pirate Rap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSe8D2wfGKI

Deadman Wonderland - One Reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc7f5tAD5U8

Trigun (Untitled Song)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OxFSy8G5wk

Buso Renkin - Makka na Chikai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xPGD0KvC7Y

Golden Kamuy - Winding Road
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QahFijEd3hY&feature=youtu.be

Wolf's Rain - Stray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A60mDhxHw5Q

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@MegamanX

What kind of return would you be looking for for Madrox?

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Some of that was pretty funny.

A lot of it was pretty forced and not funny.

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Death Parade - Flyers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjjTMNDZi-A

Angel Beats! - My Soul, Your Beats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hA4na_3jT0

Gravity Falls (Untitled Song)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2DUpDxFJyg

I'll probably do more later but this isn't an area I'm hugely familiar with so I doubt I'll get to the full 10. We'll see.

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abstain
Lopen vs. MegamanX
Mega Mana vs. Eddv
Snake vs. Shaduln
Pitch
abstain
Lopen vs. MegamanX
Mega Mana vs. Eddv
Snake vs. Shaduln

Match 2: The battle of the Beasts. One actively detracts from his team, the other is just kind of there for his. I'm not in love with either pitch here (Lopen's for reasons mentioned in previous rounds, MMX's because it feels like the Madrox involvement is jammed in to make sense of a leftover character or two and because I feel like I'd get bored of the at-first-glance intriguing premise after a couple issues), but Lopen's central dynamic is fun enough that it can eke out my vote. Seems like a close fight, too, and in absence of either of them pleading their respective case I'm gonna just go with my first instinct there and not think about it too hard.

Match 3: Easy vote both ways. Eddv's pitch, which was probably already my favorite, has now improved. I feel like I'm in a cartoon standing at the base of a mountain, watching a snowball rapidly gain mass, helpless to do anything but accept my fate as it steamrolls over me in Round 5.

Match 4: Again, easy both ways. Snake's pitch may still not be my cup of tea, but it's enough to overcome that feeling I get with Shad's pitch that I just read that story in House of X a few months ago.
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Fight
Johnbobb vs. ChichiriMuyo
MartinFF7 vs. banananor
redrocket vs. Wicklebee
IhatethisCPU vs. DeathChicken
Pitch
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MartinFF7 vs. banananor
redrocket vs. Wicklebee
IhatethisCPU vs. DeathChicken

Match 1: Fight vote was closer than the pitch; I think there's compelling arguments both ways there. As for the pitch, since MLA hasn't been updated my problems with it persist, but it's certainly still better than the retread idea that is X-Treme and it's buoyed by having the much better roster.

Match 2: I'm in agreement with everyone that the Brotherhood pitch is greatly improved, but I'm also in agreement with Ed that the Cyclops involvement doesn't really speak to me. It's not a huge problem, but it's enough that it loses out to a pitch that I happen to really like this round. Fight vote is obvious, though.

Match 3: I wish Rocket would take the time to refine his pitch, because I do think there's something good there somewhere. The fight, again, seems pretty clear-cut; Rocket's got too much raw power on his side.

Match 4: Another easy fight vote. Pitch is way tougher. I like both of these a lot, but since I can nitpick Mutant Underground a little bit where I can't so much X-Kin, I'll go with the latter.
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Ah yes, John Morrison, part of a very exclusive club with Noam Dar, Curt Hawkins, and, to my knowledge, no others across the vast, expansive boundaries of professional wrestling.

Can anyone guess what that club is?

Wrestlers who, against all odds, had a shitty match with AJ Styles on the indies after his TNA days.
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Just to be clear, would you like me to do that in five words or less? Because that seems to be the extent of what you were inclined to read of my argument there.
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Gotta say, I'm a little surprised I'm behind in the fight voting.

- Namor is the most powerful individual fighter on either side, and that's without even taking into account that he currently has Hydro-Man's powers to play around with so that he doesn't even have to just rely on his brute force.
- Hellion is a telekinetic flirting with Omega-level abilities who fairly recently was able to absolutely curbstomp Omega Sentinel, who's pretty easily stronger than at least half of the eXperiments offering.
- Aurora is way, way faster than anyone on the opposing side, including Quicksilver, who therefore doesn't really have much else to offer.
- Namor and Primal both have that telepathy resistance that makes Karma a lot less useful.
- Spiral can do pretty much whatever's required at any given time. Scare's team really doesn't have a good way to deal with a lot of her spellcasting, whether that be teleporting or eliminating some of the general superhuman powers on that side, etc., and she's definitely a good enough hand-to-hand fighter that she can also contribute there if and when it becomes necessary.

All said, eXperiments don't have the crowd control to deal with my team. Anole is completely outclassed and would get blitzed and taken out immediately. Quicksilver can't deal with Aurora. Frenzy doesn't do anything special, but she doesn't really fear a whole lot of the power on the other side except for Wolverine, who'd presumably have his hands full with my other heavy-hitters lest they just run over 2/3 of his supporting cast from the word go. He and Captain UK are the only real problems, but again, Namor has them both beat individually and once my team gets the numbers advantage they're just gonna get overwhelmed. May not be easy per se, but they'll go down eventually.

Anyway, there's my piece. Votes to come later tonight.
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Steiner posted...

All supernatural stuff the viewer is supposed to take very seriously sucks

Yeah, people that defend the Fiend with "WELL IT WAS FINE WHEN THE UNDERTAKER AND KANE DID IT THOUGH, RIGHT???" (which may or may not be anyone in this topic, as I have no desire whatsoever to actually read into the minutiae of this argument) are all mistakenly assuming that those two were universally praised.

Their shit was bad too.
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Robbie the Reindeer
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I'd make an FF8 joke to inject some flavor into my congratulations but it sure seems like all the good ones have been done already.

So, congratulations!
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I'm Spartacus
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There's a massive amount of extra context needed to evaluate a situation like that.
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Mmmmm... Turkey.....
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Honorable Mention: Conkeldurr (Chuckya)

Is this a reference to something? Because you're not the first person I've seen use that nickname for a Conkeldurr and I'm curious now.
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I'm never surprised but always dismayed at the lack of representation the Tales series gets on character lists like this.
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I doubt anybody's too interested in any of the characters I'm willing to move, but I'll list them anyway just in case someone has a strike of inspiration.

Hellion
Forge
Lady Mastermind
Frenzy
Oya
Primal

Would consider moving these for the right price.
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Fight
DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb
IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket
ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7
banananor vs. Wicklebee

Pitch
DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb
IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket
ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7
banananor vs. Wicklebee

Lot of close pitch battles in this round. Votes for Johnbobb and Wicklebee basically just came down to roster preference.
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Snake vs. Mega Mana
Scare vs. Lopen
MegaManX vs. Eddv

Pitch
abstain
Snake vs. Mega Mana
Scare vs. Lopen
MegaManX vs. Eddv
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The updated stuff for Mutant Intent was pretty much exactly what I was hoping for. That's gonna be a tough match to settle on a vote for.
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Looks like I'm doing pretty well on the Fight votes again, but just in case anyone's on the fence, I figure I'll throw out a few notes.

Right off the bat, I think Aurora pretty much just ruins Pixie's day. Won't be any time to drop the dust when the much faster flier can just blitz her and take her out.

There's some strong telepathy on the AmazonX side, but Namor and Primal have both demonstrated at least some telepathic resistance at some point in the past so I don't think they're huge difference-makers. They won't be doing much against Lady Mastermind, either.

Ultimately, I feel like Shad's win condition would be finding a way to lessen the impact of Namor's raw power, and when you've also got Boom-Boom and Spiral running various manners of interference, I think there's just too much going on for that to happen, especially since Namor's recently gotten ahold of some of Hydro-Man's powers and essentially become a waterbender, which diversifies his battle ability some.
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Are we considering the whole line or just the first stage?
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scarletspeed7 posted...

NBIceman posted...

Mutant Intent: I like the roster and the overall idea of this team quite a bit, but I wish the story pitch was a little more specific in terms of an actual plot. Several teams in this project have a very clearly defined direction that just doesn't quite make up for an uninteresting base concept. Mutant Intent has the opposite problem.

I don't disagree, but I also like that there is a general pitch here, without getting too nitty-gritty on details. The worst thing we could do is limit ourselves by shoehorning a team into a very specific concept. The difference between the Suicide Squad's unique pitch and a single story arc of the Suicide Squad is that you pull back on the specifics and give the gimmick. I think maybe what we need here is more firmament on the gimmick? Because I think in that instance, if it feels like there's a voice here and that there's a wide swath of stories to tell with it, Mutant Intent could conceivably be a very enduring series.

I guess that's really what I meant and just did a poor job of communicating it. I don't mean to imply that the idea lends itself to a super self-contained story in the vein of, say, Object Impermutants. I just think there's room for, like, more somewhere in there.
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Not locking in votes yet, just throwing out thoughts.

Mutant Underground: This is pretty easily the biggest jump in quality from round 1 to 2 across the project for me. The reworked concept, although not super unique, makes much better use of this excellent roster. My only real complaint is that the "twist" loses some impact now that death has been kind of rendered meaningless in the current X-Men continuity, but considering the rest of the setup there's ways to explain away even that, and I don't know if it's completely fair to zero in on such a recent development that hasn't been deeply explored yet anyway. Nice work here.

MLA: Still love this roster and the simplicity of concept, but Shaw really does feel shoehorned in to his role. I think I'd like to see some sort of plan for the future where he's concerned. This is gonna be a tough match to vote on.

Object Impermutants: Still awesome.

Rocket X: I think the star-studded lineup could be a real benefit to this series, and the addition of Sabretooth adds intrigue to the pitch, but their roles really need to be actually addressed for that to be the case. Right now, the great concept and pretty good lineup is being obscured by the fact that I can't tell what the team dynamics are really like.

X-Treme: Despite being annoying as all get-out in a fight, the roster and concept really don't grab me in any way. There's an interesting lineup of powers here and I'd prefer to see something that plays to their strengths rather than effectively making them auxiliary pieces to another Xavier-led story.

Brotherhood of Righteous Mutants: I'm just not quite sure where to go with this. I'm not as down on this pitch as others - some of the justifications for certain inclusions are stretches, but not quite to the point of being complete dealbreakers for me - but it really seems like this team would be better served taking hits to some of the star power and power-power in favor of a stronger thematic union that doesn't necessitate jumping through so many hoops.

Mutant Intent: I like the roster and the overall idea of this team quite a bit, but I wish the story pitch was a little more specific in terms of an actual plot. Several teams in this project have a very clearly defined direction that just doesn't quite make up for an uninteresting base concept. Mutant Intent has the opposite problem.

eXcalibur: The new and improved name is perfect for the sleek, stylish team that's been assembled here. I don't know if I quite buy some of these characters' involvement in this concept - would like to see individual motivations addressed in a little more detail where possible - but the roster itself is so good and the idea feels so complete that that's really a nitpick.
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Not gonna vote yet but wanted to throw out some thoughts since there's a lot of updates and improvements going around.

X-Mortis: Something about this pitch honestly doesn't quite connect with me the way it does others despite having a few characters I really like, but it's so well thought-out and thematically complete that I can fully recognize it's objectively very solid. Dust replacing Lifeguard is a definite upgrade given the concept.

Future of X: I still love this roster as a whole, but I'm still not sure I grasp the grand plan of this book. Feels a little unfocused for being a time travel story.

New eXperiments: Definitely improved. Having a stronger story reason for the Deadpool/Wolverine duo to stand at the forefront makes it a lot more palatable. I think I'd still like to know more about the eventual direction here, but I'm more intrigued than I was.

RetroaXtive: Beast really just feels like he needs to go at this point, even if it's for what would be pennies on the dollar on its face. His role in the story just doesn't make much sense, and it's a shame because I really like this concept a lot otherwise. There's a lot of interesting dynamics within the roster considering the story. Very close to being great here.

Otherworld X: My complaints from last round remain. Very enjoyable roster with little cohesion for the concept. I like the more clearly antagonist setup for Dark Beast, but I don't know - this still just doesn't quite feel finished.

Generation X: The Xth Generation: I'm not looking forward to going up against this team. It's awesome. It's not perfect, and scarlet already went over the reasons why, but it may be my favorite in the project. And I know Ed is aware of the flaws and is trying to rectify them, so the fact that it could get even better is pretty scary.
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redrocket posted...

NBIceman posted...

Gonna tag redrocket again, he's still got first dibs on the offer previously detailed.

But if anyone else has interest in Sabretooth, I'll listen to deals! Matter of fact, the majority of my roster is available for the right price.

NBIceman

I agree to trade Boom-Boom for Sabretooth.

Cool.

Just in case some kind of further confirmation is needed beyond my initial offer, I agree to this trade.
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All my time on GFAQs, I don't think I've ever been quoted for a sig before. I feel so accomplished.
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Gonna tag @redrocket again, he's still got first dibs on the offer previously detailed.

But if anyone else has interest in Sabretooth, I'll listen to deals! Matter of fact, the majority of my roster is available for the right price.
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@redrocket

Trade proposal:
Sabretooth
for
Boom-Boom

It seems like most people like your basic premise, but either they don't think X-23 can carry the title all on her own or they like the X-23 lead aspect but think it's hamstrung by having two other big names in Jean and Colossus that demand too much attention despite having little to do with the concept overall.

This would give you another star who has ties to Weapon X but would conceivably bring a different perspective on it, not to mention a more intriguing team dynamic. There'd be a few directions you could take the pitch now that would put Jean and Piotr in a position that doesn't make them feel like they're getting in the way. Meanwhile, Laura's still the star, but she doesn't have to be relied upon as the one driving force behind the book. Plus, all things considered, it'd be a net positive for you in terms of fight strength.

On my end, I just don't need Sabretooth. Right now, regardless of how I rework my pitch, I'm having to do some gymnastics to get him to logically fit, and he's not really bringing anything special to it or to the fight lineup. You could work him in a lot easier on both counts.

Let me know.
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Also, add me to the list of folks who'll be happy to argue for Fight victories in the coming weeks. This time around everyone seems pretty much in agreement that I've got a strong edge.
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