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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Superhero - Day 19
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07/29/18 7:27:53 PM
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Colossus
Wolverine
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 7:26:40 PM
#162
mnkboy907 posted...
So I was just misinterpreting everything GMUN was saying.


The fact that this is something that occurred from an unbiased observer who ultimately thinks he should be in is a symptom of why I'm shaky on your credibility here btw.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 7:23:29 PM
#161
I did not go into the discussion thinking you weren't credible on the subject. It was your responses to questions about facts about the character and its origins and framing your opinions of what the character is based on as facts about the character that made me question whether you could be trusted on it.

Keep in mind I think anyone who thinks it's the same as Dangerous Ariana is approaching it from a totally different mindset than I think the right one is. I'd sooner call Spirits Within characters the more interesting ones to DQ based on a decision for this one. (Not that I'm in favor of dqing any entrant that was already in)
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 7:05:00 PM
#153
CelesMyUserName posted...
"But Hirotara Inaba is so incredibly far detached from the original real life entity"


That's presenting your opinion as a fact when I don't care about that since I have different standards for that based on what examples you've given of them as being "incredibly detached." Not sure what lefty's are but yeah I'm just trying to get the hows of him being detached not your opinions on it.

But yeah lefty reading the blog and then watching the show is the best way for sure.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 6:58:18 PM
#150
I would probably DQ the character just because you're being so dodgy about the facts of the character vs presenting your interpretations of the character as facts that it's hard to take your view as a credible second hand source for the record. Not sure what percentage of it is being a salesman oland what percentage is being bad at explaining but yeah it's a lot of work.

I do think based on what I think I have pieced together that it's an add that's on the fence but probably okay without an arbitrary distinction made for the character, but who knows how much of it is "there's no real world person the character is based on because I think they're substantially different and I'm not showing my work" vs "there actually is no real world person it's based on whatsoever"

A great host would do the direct research themselves but that's more than necessarily should be expected by a host.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 6:43:35 PM
#143
CelesMyUserName posted...
But Hirotara Inaba is so incredibly far detached from the original real life entity.


Okay so now you get what I'm asking despite playing dumb before

Just state things clearly why are you in salesman mode here.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 6:39:38 PM
#140
mnkboy907 posted...
There is no real life person.


There isn't? What is the blog about then. How is it even loosely based on the blog?

Like I would have a lot easier time digesting this if GMUN was just up front with all the facts and not going on the defensive the whole time.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 6:36:22 PM
#139
I'll go back to the Leonard Nimoy example

If he was named Marcus Norman on The Simpsons yet acted exactly like Leonard Nimoy, it's Leonard Nimoy even if there is no such real person as Marcus Norman
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 6:34:43 PM
#137
The focal real life person of the real life blog the show is inspired from. The name being different is a fairly minor part of the equation
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 6:24:40 PM
#134
CelesMyUserName posted...
The part about the dad quitting his job suddenly and having a secret is a completely made up character that isn't even represented by any means in the blog or real life. There is no Real Hirotaro.


Different events occurring to the character doesn't mean it's a different character. It means it's fanfiction featuring the character. Like Super Mario in Smash Bros is Super Mario regardless of whether the events of Smash Bros are considered canon or he's technically a toy or whatever else.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 6:13:13 PM
#132
Why does anyone want Interceptor or Zidane Tribal in I don't know
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 6:10:21 PM
#129
CelesMyUserName posted...
This seems be the easiest point to make tbqh -- the real life character he's based on is basic nonexistent in the blog. The blog is incapable of capturing his point of view at all since it's just the son making everything up from his character's reference point.


That's not proof they're substantially different, though. Like if the dad on the show could literally cast magic or had a concretely defined character trait that's proven as different from the real world source, that would be proof.

It's a gray area but the grayest area we've ever had in the thing. I think there are distinctions to make to dq him but ultimately the distinctions will feel arbitrary because the contest has been pretty loose until now.

Wouldn't be the first time though. Dark Nation being dqed is pretty similar to an argument you'd make to dq this guy.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 5:55:55 PM
#125
CelesMyUserName posted...
the blog is a fictional story that takes place in-game


At least that was my logic until this

Are you saying it wasn't an actual blog but a blog in the game? Or that it's a real blog based on in game events that the author embellished with
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 5:53:19 PM
#123
To me at that point you need to create a strong difference from Hirotama Inaba and the real world character he's based on.

For example if a real world celebrity is featured in a cartoon as a one off joke, that doesn't make them a character in the cartoon. For instance Leonard Nimoy is in The Simpsons as Leonard Nimoy a few times. I wouldnt call him a Simpsons character. I would however call McBain a Simpsons character despite heavily being influenced by Arnold Schwarzenegger. Now if you had the Leonard Nimoy character named something that wasn't Leonard Nimoy on the show, that's kinda the gray area this guy falls into.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 5:32:54 PM
#117
v_charon posted...
All of this is well and good, but should I get behind Wakka or Basch is the real question here.


Wakka to spread the love a bit as Reks + Basch making hostile takeovers will taint the FFXII brand
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 5:12:47 PM
#110
Speaking honestly on it, to me the questions are:

1. Is Hirotaro Inaba the name of the man on the show or his player character in XIV featured on the show
2. If it's the man on the show, how heavily are the events on the show based on the blog posts
3. If it's the character on the show can we nominate other FFXIV PCs
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 5:11:33 PM
#109
Argument that Dangerous Woman album art bans Dangerous Ariana is like arguing that Odin should be banned due to influence from Norse mythology
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 4:55:18 PM
#99
pjbasis posted...
It originated from her album cover art.


Well the mask did. We don't know anything about the origins of the character on her cover art though.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 4:54:03 PM
#96
Nominate Archpriestess Akia (XIV) if this Daddy of Light nonsense goes through otherwise nominate Mustadio imo
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 4:52:34 PM
#94
pjbasis posted...
Why the heck isn't Ariana a crossover character.


Dangerous Ariana is a fictional character loosely based on some elements from Ariana Grande that originated in FF Brave Exvius
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 4:49:42 PM
#87
CelesMyUserName posted...
Persona 3's Isako Toriumi to be a different character from Maya within the MMO social link.


Well Isako Toriumi probably wouldn't be eligible for a Persona 3 MMO character contest because he's not a character in the MMO.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 4:34:04 PM
#79
GenesisSaga posted...
Who the hell is Rafa?


The better spelling for Rapha

But honestly of WotL translations that one bugs me about the least
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TopicFinished 12 Monkeys (TV) and it's probably my favorite show of the past 20 years
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07/29/18 4:30:54 PM
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Just watched the last few episodes. I was pretty impressed with the ending even with the hype given here. Probably the most satisfying ending stretch to a TV Series ever.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 4:25:32 PM
#73
th3l3fty posted...
If it's the game character, what makes it eligible and not the thousands of other PCs?


I like this as justification

Then we can nominate Archpriestess Akia (XIV) who would probably get more votes than daddy of light
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 4:23:21 PM
#68
Mustadio
Leon (II)
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XX: Nominations [smfffc]
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07/29/18 1:46:46 PM
#24
X-Death
Snow
Gilgamesh
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TopicWhat's the most money that you would spend on a watch?
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07/28/18 10:56:15 PM
#34
UltimaterializerX posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
man I never thought I'd see Ulti arguing in favor of something because it's the mainstream thing to do

who even are you

By definition, something can't be uncouth if it's socially acceptable and the VAST majority of people get their time from a cell phone now.


I'm unconcerned with what is socially acceptable among your group of yokels.

Any classy friend is secretly judging you for it every time you do it during a conversation
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TopicWhat's the most money that you would spend on a watch?
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07/28/18 5:47:24 PM
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And that's just to start!
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TopicWhat's the most money that you would spend on a watch?
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07/28/18 5:34:36 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Zero. Who the fuck uses watches anymore?


People of class. It's uncouth to pull out a phone to check the time.
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Superhero - Day 18
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07/28/18 12:47:24 PM
#78
My priority has always been Hurricane first but I wasn't here
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TopicWhat should my next board project be?
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07/28/18 12:15:28 PM
#44
1995 WCW or WCW just before it gets bought by WWE I would find the most interest in but 2005 WWE is also fine
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TopicBoard 8 Wrasslin' League, a narrative simulation project with user input
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07/27/18 4:00:42 PM
#43
Tom Bombadil posted...
Miz reverses it into a Figure Four! .....Bison taps!


Ouch. Bison has been humbled has anyone tapped to that thing ever
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TopicWhat should my next board project be?
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07/27/18 3:47:34 PM
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Panthera posted...
Without knowing what other interests you have I can't really come up with much to suggest, but if it's something I know/care about I'll follow it, whatever it may be


More or less this is how I feel btw. The caveat being I probably won't post as much if I lack the experience with the source material or inclination to talk about it. The latter I mostly mean something like music-- to me it's not something that's inherently interesting to discuss cause I don't really have the ability articulate what I do and don't like about music very well, and frankly I don't care enough to even try because to me it feels like a more subjective thing than stories or characters or whatever. I'm sure some people feel differently about this but *shrug*

As long as it's something where you're providing a solid backbone of content it should be fun to follow though. I enjoyed that comic book villain topic for example even though I don't exactly have a ton of depth in comics.
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TopicWhat should my next board project be?
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07/27/18 2:58:30 PM
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Make a highlight reel of that TEW diary you were talking about.

Otherwise I got nothin with no prompting you'll need to provide options to choose from.
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Superhero - Day 17
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07/27/18 2:03:46 AM
#69
Clops
Deadpool
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TopicKenri ranks 110 Fire Emblem characters [the ranking]
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07/27/18 1:11:03 AM
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Canas isn't even the best dark mage in his own game
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TopicKenri ranks 110 Fire Emblem characters [the ranking]
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07/27/18 12:49:36 AM
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Seething dark mage hatred
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Superhero - Day 17
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07/27/18 12:45:40 AM
#63
The Hurricane
Mighty Molly
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TopicKenri ranks 110 Fire Emblem characters [the ranking]
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07/27/18 12:45:22 AM
#42
Eliwood >> Roy
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TopicKenri ranks 110 Fire Emblem characters [the ranking]
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07/26/18 1:18:18 PM
#27
Never actually finished Revelations yet either but you can get them in Birthright with Jakob and Silas
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TopicKenri ranks 110 Fire Emblem characters [the ranking]
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07/26/18 12:37:29 PM
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Oh also as for Oboro, who is definitely a top 5 Birthright character for me... probably top 5 in Fates as a whole, even.

- The Fashion gimmick is cute particularly since it's so at odds with her wrathful "death to Nohr" thing. Also it's a simple gimmick that hasn't been run into the ground yet unlike say "klutz" or "haughty noble" which seem to appear in every game.
- I think her supports with Nohr characters are more interesting than most of the game's supports due to her sorta racism.
- Said racism in her supports is justified enough that I don't judge her for it, and her overcoming it is cool (perhaps you can consider it rushed if we're splitting hairs but you can only do so much with the support coversation structure-- keeping in mind they're buffered by fighting together in life & death situations I think it's okay)
- In Birthright the cast is pretty bland across the board so she stands out more than she might among a different cast.
- I have a weakness for infantry spear users in general. Blame them being so rare.
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TopicKenri ranks 110 Fire Emblem characters [the ranking]
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07/26/18 12:22:50 PM
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Kenri posted...
especially because she's yandere for the player and it's gross and kinda fourth-wall breaking.


Yeah. I think I like her more because I don't consider Robin to be "me" even if you could in a lot of ways argue the game presents it that way. Robin has enough character to not really feel like a self insert though.

I mean I love yanderes either way so I don't think it would bug me that much either way but if Robin had less of his/her own personality I probably would like her less since it would feel more fanservicey in a way I didn't like.
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TopicKenri ranks 110 Fire Emblem characters [the ranking]
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07/26/18 10:40:25 AM
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I can't take anyone who takes Tharja seriously seriously considering the series and especially game she's from. I feel like it's just an attempt to 'intelligently' criticize the character because you don't like her over exposure, blatant sex appeal, just don't like yanderes, or whatever else.

I'm not even sure Kenri is one of these people from that write-up but I have seen it as a growing trend on the internet and it's dumb.
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Superhero - Day 16
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07/26/18 12:41:05 AM
#66
Punisher
Wolverine
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Topic~TWISTER~Rita Repulsa vs Hoban Washburne
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07/25/18 10:21:13 PM
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I feel like that outfit is going to hinder both of them.

I'll give it to Rita as she's probably more proficient in moving around while being hindered by that poofy ridiculous thing than Wash would be.
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Superhero - Day 16
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07/25/18 8:54:54 PM
#20
The Hurricane
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 452: WWE - Who Watches, Even?
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07/25/18 8:30:02 PM
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I watched Smackdown Live... er... live

Miz and Mrs (and to a lesser extent Miz) got go away heat because of the amount of shilling for the show on it

If they'd gone a little less hard on it I may have given it a chance

Probably for the best though since I'm sure it's wretched
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TopicBoard 8 Wrasslin' League, a narrative simulation project with user input
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07/25/18 8:07:02 PM
#17
1) Please pick three actual pro wrestlers you want to see:
"Macho Man" Randy Savage
John Cena
The Miz

2) Please pick three fictional characters you want to see:
Kenshin Himura
M. Bison
Kotomine Kirei

3-optional) I'll pass

4-optional) Glacier, Mike Tyson, Angry Video Game Nerd, Stheno, Mr T

5-optional) Offscreen

6-optional) You do you man
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