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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 484: Paradigm Shift
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05/27/19 3:11:50 PM
#39
Well TNA had 1.5 on their Monday show, and Jakyl totally tagged me recently and said WWE fell below that on a recent show since I've been actively rooting for WWE to drop below TNA.

Maybe he was mistaken or I'm misremembering though. WWE is pretty close to peak TNA ratings in any case so it's kinda like splitting hairs either way.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 484: Paradigm Shift
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05/27/19 3:05:18 PM
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Steiner posted...
the only thing i'm arguing about is your assertion that at some point in tna's history they would be able to sell out a 12,000 seat arena at some fixed location in the united states


Well my whole point is that TNA put into today's wrestling landscape with 6 months of hype per show could, not that it was ever in a position to do so when it existed. That's a product of how it was marketed and hyped and the relative satisfaction people had with mainstream alternatives (WWE) more than its impact on wrestling as a whole though. Like Jeff Hardy and Kurt Angle were bigger gets than Jon Moxley and Chris Jericho, no matter the situation that allowed TNA to get them.

Put it another way, peak TNA had better ratings than WWE does now, and WWE sells houses that have 12000 seats even now, even if it is more rare than it used to be.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 484: Paradigm Shift
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05/27/19 2:56:32 PM
#30
I like how you cut off the second half of his sentence as if that hasn't been a core part of the point I was making when I was referring to time travelling TNA.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 484: Paradigm Shift
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05/27/19 2:53:10 PM
#28
Wanglicious posted...
TNA at its peak managed to reach the level it did without the opportunities that AEW has as a byproduct of 10 years of internet, therefore it was actually a bigger deal - that the general argument? it was harder for them to reach that level than it has been for AEW to reach their level. time needs to be given for hype to die down because the internet knows how to be extremely focused and then disappear.


That's the gist of what I'm getting at yeah.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 484: Paradigm Shift
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05/27/19 2:52:24 PM
#27
Yeah if PPV buy numbers are really good (keeping in mind I don't know what really good looks like with PPV buys these days) I'll definitely concede the point. I just don't think drawing 12000 is really good enough to say on its own. I think it's just people being revisionists with how relevant TNA ever was because it's a total joke now. TNA actually did vaguely matter once upon a time.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 484: Paradigm Shift
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05/27/19 2:47:02 PM
#23
Yeah I know you think a few thousand more people at 2 shows outweighs a national TV show and sustained events that draw decent houses I'm just clarifying my position
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 484: Paradigm Shift
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05/27/19 2:35:59 PM
#20
Keep in mind I'm not trying to argue that AEW doesn't have a much better chance of succeeding than TNA ever did.

Just that I don't really think that right now they're a bigger brand than TNA was at its biggest. Give them a few weeks on TNT and barring some catastrophic blunder they're all but a lock to be bigger than TNA, just saying that I'm not really buying that they are right now.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 484: Paradigm Shift
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05/27/19 2:26:50 PM
#18
Bigger TNA shows could fill half that. I absolutely believe that a 6 month cooldown period + increased hype and a relatively weaker landscape could account for that difference.

Imagine if in 1995 people were saying that people seeking out "not WWF" in 1989 was as much of a thing as it was in 1995.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 484: Paradigm Shift
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05/27/19 2:20:26 PM
#16
Steiner posted...
WWE has been bad for years and it's never done anything for competition.


WWE hasn't been this bad for very long, and the competition has never been newly established brands that have hype to capitalize on. Even TNA had an established identity before it grew into something nationally relevant.

If people are interested in say, RoH as an alternative, they can go watch some RoH before committing to watching a show. It's really not the same thing as AEW at all, which has two shows and a bunch of bluster.

I mean I guess you can say people want an alternative to WWE that has this kind of hype and backing, and that's the brand they want, but I don't think like the whole sports approach and what little else we've heard from AEW is really what's driving people at its heart.

And I'm saying being "not WWE" is a lot bigger deal in 2019 than it was in 2007 or 2013.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 484: Paradigm Shift
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05/27/19 2:13:03 PM
#12
Like the way AEW is structured currently, AEW attendance the question is more "are there wrestling fans that are dissatisfied with the alternatives right now" and less "are there wrestling fans that want to see AEW." Before TNA was irreparably poisoned, TNA could've absolutely been that. I think 6000-7000 attendance shows (which is what TNA could get on their bigger events) when you're running shows weekly and WWE is actually competent is more impressive than a 12000 show today when you run two a year.

Wrestling is still a thing that exists. Getting 12000 wrestling fans twice a year when these fans aren't getting a constant supply of shows to sate themselves isn't nothing but it's not as impressive as it looks on paper. A lot of those people just want something to watch and are there for the hype as much as anything.

I want AEW to succeed but I'd take their attendance with a lot of salt until they actually have a brand that has sustained shows and an identity that isn't just hype centered around being not WWE.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 484: Paradigm Shift
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05/27/19 2:04:47 PM
#9
I don't think you really understand that no wrestling company has really taken the approach AEW has with the opportunity of desolate competition that AEW has right now.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 484: Paradigm Shift
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05/27/19 2:02:04 PM
#7
Keep in mind I only say 2010 TNA because that's when they had peak hype behind them which to me would be the closest analogue to AEW which is mostly hype right now. If you're looking at peak success of the company that's obviously not the best time to take.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 484: Paradigm Shift
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05/27/19 2:00:36 PM
#6
Scarcity of shows and WWE actively driving people to want to seek an alternative. It's two fold.

It's a pointless argument because there's no way to prove it either way, but this is a completely different landscape than 2010 and I don't think selling out two 12000 houses a year is super impressive. If they can do it week after week, yeah they're more relevant than TNA ever was but yeah.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/27/19 1:46:16 PM
#500
The more sad thing is TNA just after that (like a year or so after, once the Aces & Eights storyline finished up basically) was great too. Like they just crapped the bed in the worst way at the point they had the most hype behind them.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/27/19 1:40:26 PM
#497
Not today no. I'm saying if 2010 TNA somehow took a time machine to today they could sell out that building.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/27/19 1:08:23 PM
#495
Also I'm always in Discord.

Always waiting for the right time to strike...
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/27/19 1:05:36 PM
#494
NBIceman posted...
If you believe peak TNA was a bigger deal than AEW right now you have to believe TNA could've sold out a 12000 seat building.

I see where you're coming from but I don't think that's a theory I can get onboard with.


TNA with the right ratio of hype to shows and the current wrestling landscape could. It's easier to sell out 12000 seat buildings when you're hyping your show for 6 months and the competition is actively driving people to an alternative.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/27/19 12:13:05 AM
#488
To be fair I would say peak TNA was a bigger deal than current AEW is, or even AEW "with one episode of a show on TNT confirmed" is. When they actually went on Monday nights for a while and had the backing of Hogan and Bischoff and the full hype of Spike for a while, if they actually brought a show worth watching at that point they could've done something. I mean it's not like TNA didn't have some major WWE guys jump to them.

But yeah it's just WWE is that much weaker right now so it's closer than WWE/TNA ever was straight out of the box.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/26/19 10:52:17 AM
#457
TheRock1525 posted...
The latter. Mostly because I am very, very over Chris Jericho at this point in his career. And dude's my second favorite wrestler of all time.


WWE making him a pointless jobber the last several appearances trained you well I see.
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TopicDo you like this character? Day 1213: Scorpion (Mortal Kombat)
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05/25/19 10:34:31 PM
#44
I'd love for Scorpion to be close to as strong as Sub-Zero but honestly it's always looked like Sub-Zero is significantly stronger, even in the favorite MK character polls really.
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TopicDo you like this character? Day 1213: Scorpion (Mortal Kombat)
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05/25/19 4:44:09 PM
#38
More than Sub-Zero I think, even if Sub would 60-40 him. 2002 and 2007 helped Scorp lots.
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TopicDo you like this character? Day 1213: Scorpion (Mortal Kombat)
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05/25/19 12:20:08 AM
#11
Yes

Always liked him more than Sub-Zero
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TopicHow would you rank the Star Wars trilogies?
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05/24/19 9:26:03 PM
#32
By writing I mostly meant the plot. I dunno, I guess if you count the dialogue it's closer to a push but I feel like the plot of RotS is significantly less meandering and accomplishes what it sets out to do a lot more effectively.
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TopicHow would you rank the Star Wars trilogies?
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05/24/19 9:20:48 PM
#30
XIII_rocks posted...
TLJ and TFA are like, fairly well-acted and visually on a level way way beyond 3. TLJ is also a more surprising watch (inevitably since 3 is a prequel) and has better dialogue. It's really not close to me, the ST are just better-made movies. That's before we even get into how badly 3's CGI has aged (like the entire PT) and how all three of the prequels would be utterly ripped to shreds if held to the exacting, precise standards to which TFA and TLJ have been held. Every line of dialogue in those two movies are used as sticks to beat them with, whereas the prequel trilogy, including 3, are drowning in bad lines, bad writing and bad effects at every turn.


I would say TLJ and TFA are better acted but worse written. Good acting can only help bad writing so much. Also RotS is poorly acted in an enjoyable kinda way, whereas TFA and TLJ are "well acted" in a way that puts them as basically diet variations of your typical blockbusters. Yeah there's some cute banter in there but I have like 50 Marvel movies that do that way better. RotS which is just a more distinctive experience. I feel like I'd be losing something if I hadn't seen RotS, whereas TFA and TLJ are just run of the mill blockbuster action movies that don't really do much of note whatsoever.

Also don't really think TLJ is a more "surprising watch" for whatever that actually means-- no meaningful expectations are really subverted in that movie. Little details were different but as far as the direction of the overarching plot nothing particularly unexpected happened.
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TopicHow would you rank the Star Wars trilogies?
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05/24/19 7:30:52 PM
#6
XIII_rocks posted...
I enjoy 3.


Well this is how PT > ST for me.

TLJ and TFA just aren't good movies. They're less bad than Episode 1 and 2 but I'll take one enjoyable movie over 0 for now.
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Topicwho would win yoshi or my mom
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05/24/19 2:59:53 PM
#6
Your mom isn't above the fodder line
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TopicBest MCU/Avengers Waifu
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05/24/19 2:41:30 PM
#34
To be fair anyone who knows who Shuri is should know exactly who Okoye is

But I didn't know her name. Somehow knew Shuri's though so *shrug
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TopicFinal Fantasy Record Keeper: 44th topic for 4th anniversary
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05/24/19 12:26:51 PM
#448
It's on both of the next two fests

Next fest which should be fairly soon now:

https://old.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/a9xf2m/jp2018_end_of_year_fest_banner_information/

Two fests from now:

https://old.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/b5ckpb/spring_fest_2019_jp_banner_info_fest/

Obviously subject to change but they haven't been too liberal with changing fest banners these days.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/24/19 11:04:51 AM
#414
Trust me you don't want WWE doing that. Recall commentary for some of the mid 2010 Rumbles where JBL is constantly droning on about FACTZ.

I do think used responsibly it'd help a lot though.
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TopicFate/Grand Order Topic 13: Merry Christmas...?
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05/23/19 2:17:18 PM
#399
Lack of google account linking is probably why I haven't uninstalled yet. I've kinda wanted the space back a few times but if I ever want to get back into the game I don't want to jump through account recovery hoops.
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TopicRank your Top Ten Phoenix Wright characters
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05/23/19 2:09:12 PM
#28
Worst character is Lotta Hart cause she shows up so much
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TopicExtremely Crappy Wrestling (1996 TEW diary)
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05/23/19 11:03:38 AM
#330
See below: Hardyz
See below: What the Flock
Douglas/Whipwreck
(1x2) BONUS: In the first two matches, the individuals awarded the decision will advance to a #1 Contender match for the ECW Title. Jeff Hardy and Stevie Richards
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/23/19 10:52:25 AM
#404
I'm not saying it couldn't have happened just that there are a lot of little details that seem convenient for making the story stronger (not just in that part-- for instance the part where she is told not to train and then tries to train anyway feels too convenient too) that just make it a bit difficult for me to take at face value, especially considering the source of the story. I'm sure some of it is true, though, otherwise why even start it.

But yeah that's why I didn't care enough to argue it, and still don't. Just saying that I'm giving WWE the benefit of some doubt there-- they have plenty enough tangible stuff to think they're super scummy for so blindly accepting all the details in her story as truth doesn't really change much for me anyway.
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TopicRank your Top Ten Phoenix Wright characters
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05/23/19 10:32:01 AM
#18
1. Miles Edgeworth
2. Godot
3. Maya Fey
4. Phoenix Wright
5. Viola Cadaverini
6. Dick Gumshoe
7. Shelly de Killer
8. Kay Faraday
9. Ema Skye
10. Matt Engarde

This is probably not quite right but something like this.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/23/19 10:15:02 AM
#401
That seemed a bit outlandish a claim to me anyway but I didn't care enough to really argue it. I know people suck and there is plenty of corruption in the military but I don't know, man. Consider the details: For instance they used a paralyzing agent that keeps you fully conscious. Is there any benefit to using that over l don't know just a normal sedative other than making the story more ironclad?
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TopicGood mobile games?
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05/22/19 7:18:32 PM
#10
Langrisser Mobile is the only mobile game I'd recommend for people who want something on par with a console game experience.

And even that one has some issues late game with uneven progression.
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TopicDo you like this character? Day 1211: Krystal (Star Fox)
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05/21/19 8:55:56 PM
#19
No
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TopicLangrisser Mobile Topic Again
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05/21/19 8:54:24 PM
#319
A level 40 or 50 SR is better than a level 20 SSR btw
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TopicFire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 23: Pitybroken by Legendary Lyn.
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05/21/19 5:23:23 PM
#437
He's not a little girl so it makes sense.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/21/19 5:17:44 PM
#367
A title that's a gateway to an even less relevant title I like it
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TopicFinal Fantasy Record Keeper: 44th topic for 4th anniversary
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05/21/19 3:32:44 PM
#437
I may go for Zack or Warrior of Light if it's Gen1 only. I'll have to think about it. If Gen 2 is on the table Edward or Ramza or Faris would probably make the most sense but... that Rikku water chain has been so elusive and Strago is sub optimal.
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TopicFinal Fantasy Record Keeper: 44th topic for 4th anniversary
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05/21/19 3:23:22 PM
#434
I'd say generally vanilla damage USBs are better than damage bUSBs unless you're needing to break Savage Mode on 5* Magicite. Don't know how Alph's specifically compare though.

Side note got Basch's bootleg Hyper Mighty G off the daily. Should be useful for Torment and maybe even holy magicite so this is a winner and probably the best item I've pulled from these.
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TopicBest MCU/Avengers Waifu
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05/21/19 2:26:34 PM
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Well I wanted to vote Hela but I guess Mantis is good too.
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Topic[VGMC] d55: An Ill Omen/Chocolate Missile, Soaring Sad Blue/Reach for the Moon
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05/20/19 10:21:44 PM
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An Ill Omen
Soaring Through the Sad Blue Sky
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Topic[VGMC] d54: Has to Be/Limit Break, blackstarlight/ steelchambers, Gokinjo/Raging
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05/20/19 9:53:43 PM
#49
It Has to Be This Way
blackstarlight
The End of the Raging Waves
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TopicExtremely Crappy Wrestling (1996 TEW diary)
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05/20/19 6:26:56 PM
#326
Tom Bombadil posted...
La Parka sustains a broken collarbone


What's the point :(

(2) TV Title: Taz
(2) Dudleyz
(2) Tag Titles: Eliminators (c)
(2) Too Cold
(2) Cactus
(5) ECW Title: Douglas (c)
(5) BONUS: With the card almost 100% different from what I was planning, who is Douglas' challenger?
... uhh Dreamer I'm original
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/20/19 4:49:32 PM
#324
I'm really not sure how they could've made the Shane/Miz feud work with heel Shane... I've been against it from the beginning and yeah. I mean the problem with Shane as a heel is he routinely throws himself off of high objects, but he's also a 'coward' so like, the good guy needs to be giving him a thrashing.

Then you've got Miz who is the opposite of intimidating, usually using his cunning to get wins.

It's just a really weird pairing. It would've worked better if Miz turned on Shane but like... really should've just let the team play out a while more I think. The SD Tag division needed, and still needs, bodies.

Like I guess the only way to really do it is have Miz shown to be a better wrestler, Shane not being intimidated because what can Miz really do to him other than get a "meaningless" pinfall victory, but Miz goads him into a no bs match like a cage then outmaneuvers him politically somehow and makes it so that Shane has to win the match or else he loses his position of power or something.

Then Shane starts to panic because while he's good at dishing out and taking punishment his ability to win matches is suspect.

But yeah I dunno what they were thinking.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/20/19 4:10:04 PM
#321
Pretty sure it's only happened because people wanted Lana to do that when Becky Lynch did the same thing to her.

I sure do miss when people who were in matches won them.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/20/19 12:33:20 PM
#311
I basically like any title that serves a distinct purpose that isn't to be a participation award, so I don't even hate the idea of bringing the HC title back in theory.

On the other hand meaningless titles are abundant on the roster so it's like, we're creating a coat rack either way so who cares.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 483: "America's Finest" Nick Aldis
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05/20/19 12:19:41 PM
#308
Make fun of the Legends Title all you want but I'll take it over the US, IC, or Raw/SD Tag Titles in their current state any day.
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