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MZero posted...

Which if he is scum, Ulti probably isn't because that would mean the entire scum team tried to shade me D1

I don't see a problem with this. Not that I think Sultan is scum but yeah.

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MZero posted...

still catching up has Ulti changed his claim yet

N

I'm just saying if people won't buy Ulti x Kirby this is another config that plausibly works for me

I think you're a smart guy who saw Blade play me and are leaning into taking shots so I'll townclear you

I don't honestly think you care enough about this to care about correcting my thoughts on your play

I think town red doesn't engage here and just goes to bed is my thinking

Scum red would also know for a fact the Kirby logic is bad so he is able to mock it for being informed

Peaf and Dumey being scum hoping to exonorate the survivor is where me and Lea were and it kinda works.

Leafeon13N posted...

My track record speaksfor itself.

I've had my hand deep in more town wins than you'll sniff in two years if you play every game flawlessly.

Ok red you can stop puffing your chest to distract town I'm done. Good try though.

I still think it's Ulti Kirby Peaf but if you will deny me that I'll settle for red or Dumey

Coming around to red is scum theory

I think town red doesn't indulge me quite so much here

Red Peaf Dumey maybe. The dumey clear always made the least sense in his POE

Of course I guess when you never push any lynches or activity ever what else are you going to do. You have no hand in anything

No wonder you're so good every time you're wrong you can just blame town

You shot town that your own logic towncleared

Also you shot town

Great town reads

Boasting about town reads is what someone bad at reads does

Not hard to get a few 66%s. RNG can do that

Good doc save is all I'll give you

But Lea is a common doc save so the extent of your game prowess displayed is "drew doc" more or less

Like you know peaf having a mental breakdown doesn't make sense

But you want me to be wrong so you can preserve the delusion you have that I'm a terrible player. It would wound you so bad for me to sweep this game.

I had a good game for what little I was in it

You on the other hand were fairly worthless so yeah I could see why you would want to take shots at me for it. Probably why you're defying basic logic in this game

You want me to be bad at mafia so bad it hurts

The wrong assumption in this case is assuming everyone involved in the scramble except Peaf has to be town

The fact that I am the only person pushing this implies scum WERE there too because scum would have already went for that narrative now if it was a play where there were no scum. It's free lynches for them to pursue that avenue. It being so easy for everyone to just townclear that whole pile in a game with 2 scum voices doesn't sit right.

Anyway

I think in mafia gambits generally don't happen unless necessary to survive

I regularly encourage scumteams to claim something to throw me under the bus and it doesn't happen

If you are assuming a scum gambit you're probably correcting for another wrong assumption you made. Sometimes you're right anyway but it's usually right for the wrong reasons

Enchantress posted...

I'm the Lea and I'm positive he does. But we don't have to keep relitigating that game

Even if you're sure. Sbell lynching you is possible if Ulti guilt trips him tbh

Enchantress posted...

Ulti didn't nearly get away last game. He lived a single extra day

If he didn't milk how inno scanned he was I think town sends it to sbell Ulti Lea final 3 and I'm not positive Ulti loses that

Leafeon13N posted...

Ulti had a scan protecting him. So not sure where you are getting this argument.

Yes

And town kept making excuses for him even after the scan didn't matter anymore

Leafeon13N posted...

Like if I'm scum and in a position with JC and Dumey in towns sightlines I'm probably feeling pretty good.

Peaf had way more heat than JC and about as much as Dumey

Moreover he was busy. High risk plays are generally made when you can pay attention to the game. This feels more like a damage control play.

Town lose games by assuming that scum can't make mistakes, but town also loses games by assuming a player made a mistake for no good reason at all.

It's why Ulti nearly got away last game. People are like "well Ulti has done this before" and just hand wave away something that doesn't make sense.

Peaf making plays as scum doesn't explain away this-- they were not nearly as significant as this unless other scum were in the pile somewhere.

Chaeix posted...

Wait whats the link between Peaf and Sultan here

I'm saying if Sultan is scum Ulti and Kirby can't both be scum because there'd be no scum left.

Leafeon13N posted...

I feel like Peaf got trapped a bit unexpectedly but this is mostly just conjecture.

You need to explain how Peaf got trapped if all of

Lea, Kirby, JC, Dumey are all town

Why does he think that's worth doing

You say you keep mafia stuff very basic but this question is very basic. Scum Peaf is just doing that to try and gain town points is a terrible theory if all these players are town. The risk reward is not there. This is mega shade on Peaf's play

I am no longer sure I like Sultan in the town pile either but then that means either Ulti is town or Peaf had temporary insanity for no reason and I don't like THAT either

Also my history of catching Ulti is well above average. Ulti town mislynch rarely happens when I'm pushing it

How about Lopen was very loud about Peaf being scum and in the absence of a very very strong town read on Ulti you should give him the benefit of a doubt

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Why should I pick you over Ulti?

Ulti is scum and Chris is not

UltimaterializerX posted...

If Lopen is town, it's the actual ultimate win because I can just screenshot him from this game and prevent him from ever mislynching anyone ever again as any alignment.

Seriously though

This is such an empty threat

My record on Ulti is really good. I would just ignore a screenshot anyway and lynch him again if it felt right.

We can still perfect game if we kill Kirby

I find threats fun because they don't work on me and I just shoot the hostage

Sultan threatening my perfect game smh

I'm here only to bring Ultis death at this point

With only 2 scum left and some vague attention to likely scum its pretty safe to tell your date scans

Cop can share scan results with their date it's pretty low risk to not claim atm

Thinking I'm more sure you are

Ulti intentionally lining up a bunch of scum tells so he can claim victory over my Ultiwhispering cred I can vaguely see as possible

Peaf going full bonkers when paired with town to save town is harder to believe

Kirby321 posted...

So you're still set on Ulti being scum, Lopen?

Only thing I'm unsure of is if I'm more sure you or him are scum.

Kirby321 posted...

He does this every game, I feel :P

More often as town imo

Less easy to feign solving the setup if you know scumteam composition

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

New game idea. 3rd party who's role is to guess the set up if they get it they win lol

That's actually a really neat 3rd party wincon

I feel like Corrik has a lot more fun playing "find the setup" than "find the scum"

Red is town

Use night phase to chastise him for saying I have no logic

I mean Kirby and Ulti are both yelling at Corrik to claim for no reason even though I'm saying I'll protect Corrik

It's practically open wolfing at this point

Individual actions from Ulti are darts

Taken as a composite you can find real scumtells

Sorry you drew scum again Ulti

Think why did Ulti spin so hard on Kirby today

He was on board with my plan but jumped straight to step 2 skipping past murdering Kirby

Corrik7 posted...

There is zero chance of lynching scum today

Excuse me.

Scum is right there in the pool of 5

though if you'd prefer to be with me to make up for 7 words I understand

But if mzero isn't willing to date corrik we can't do much

You should offer to date mzero too

I wish mzero was here so we could end the day