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-LusterSoldier- posted...

WoW has a playrate of 40.66% in a poll near the end of 2010.

So...how big is WoW's anti-vote base then?

Would you pick League of Legends to beat any of the following?

Grand Theft Auto IV
Sonic Adventure
Ico
Skies of Arcadia
Soulcalibur
Gears of War
Persona 4

I'd probably pick LoL to beat all of them other than GTAIV and Gears.

I used to avoid watching YouTube LPs because I thought they would make me want to avoid the games. However, I now know that they achieve the exact opposite effect.

He's amazingly badass in the Mario Galaxy games, and he's supposedly a really good character in the Mario RPGs (from what I've seen of Super Mario RPG, this is very true).

Also how the heck does Samus beat Kirby while Link can't beat some stupid racer?

Pram_the_Oracle posted...

Oh that reminds me.

Anybody else immune to the negative effect of spoilers, and instead get pumped up, impatient to see the moment happen?

*raises hand*

Captain Falcon > Link = bad result.

Favorite VG villain? I can't decide between Bowser, Ganondorf, Kefka, Dormin, and Liquid Snake!

Favorite art or graphics? Either The Wind Waker, Ico, or Shadow of the Colossus, with Metroid Prime, Super Mario Galaxy, and Twilight Princess all being very close behind.

The situation right now is that I won't be able to get the MGS HD collection for about 8-15 days, so I'll probably end up replaying MGS1 if only to be closer to that timeframe.

foxhead84 posted...

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I voted for the first option. I don't have my Wii yet but I have loose plans of replaying some Zelda and Metroid games soon.

Hey hey, just like me... I don't have a Wii, but since I have a cousin who almost bought one, I voted for the first option... XD

Well I already own a Wii and have owned one since the 2007 Winter Holidays. I simply don't have it with me right now, but I will in about 2-3 weeks.

ZFS posted...

Liquid Wind posted...

why would anyone be interested in future nintendo consoles if they had no interest in the wii? nintendo was actually a highly respected company 6 years ago, is there really anyone who holds nintendo in HIGHER regard now than they did in say, 2003?

Definitely. Nintendo is making much better, more creative games now than they were in 2003.

Ever since Super Mario Galaxy, Nintendo has not made anything that even matches up with Metroid Prime 2. The company has been content to rehash Mario to the ground, ruin Donkey Kong Country with dumb motion controls, and render my favorite Nintendo character unrecognizable and unlikable.

Jeff Zero posted...

Fair enough. A lot of games are unequivocally not for me. But I wouldn't call Forza "Dumbza" just because I don't care for it. I can appreciate why many do.

You're right. Whatever.

I am actually a lot more interested in Forza than I am in Pokemon or Fallout.

Bethesda's brand of Western RPGs is just not for me, and that's it. I feel the same way about Pokemon, and that's why I effectively anti-voted both RBY and Fallout 3 (although me being generally very interested in their opponents is what drove me to vote in each case).

Vlado posted...

Fallout 3, of course.

Abandoning what I heard was an actually good game from Square this generation for a bland as hell (from the looks of it) Western game?

Oh my. Then again, I have zero interest whatsoever in anything from Bethesda Softworks, and watching my brother play Skyrim does not do anything to make me interested in playing it.

Vlado posted...

Clever.

Just FYI Vlado, if you think the Wii is only Nintendo, think again. The main YouTube user I used to watch LPs from considers the Wii to be his favorite Nintendo console, but only three of his top ten games on the console are first-party (and one of them is Sin & Punishment: Star Successor, and he dislikes Brawl, DKCR, and MKWii).

Liquid Wind posted...

why would anyone be interested in future nintendo consoles if they had no interest in the wii? nintendo was actually a highly respected company 6 years ago, is there really anyone who holds nintendo in HIGHER regard now than they did in say, 2003?

They've made two of my favorite games of all time in Twilight Princess and Super Mario Galaxy...although I guess that was a while ago. Yeah, now Nintendo has been kinda slacking off since Galaxy.

Don't feel like buying shirts right now, but nice to know!

And uh...one little change to the list: Super Metroid is now #2.

Okay, the list updates again now and expands to six. And with that, Samus muscles her way up, and a blue hedgehog outruns the assassin to enter the list.

1) Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
2) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3) Super Metroid
4) Ico
5) Sonic the Hedgehog
6) Assassin's Creed

Pram_the_Oracle posted...

I'm okay with people voting even if they only played one of the choices.

As long as they don't vote despite not playing either choice.

I'm very interested in TWEWY and not interested in Fallout 3 at all, thus my vote. That was also why I voted for The Legend of Dragoon when it was against Stupidmon.

Otherwise I won't vote. So I suppose I'm only voting when a game I'm very interested in goes against a game I never want to play.

The World Ends with You

Just FYI, most of the reason I allowed Assassin's Creed onto the list was because out of the last three games I played, Metal Gear Solid obviously shares the same genre while Ico and Shadow of the Colossus both feature a lot of PoP-style acrobatics. Assassin's Creed effectively seems to combine them to me.

No they have not. They very well should have, though!

And oh wow the Metal Gear series just turned 25. That alone is reason enough for me to play through the sequels, and then there's you guys' requests, me wanting to see how the future evolves in the sequels and how the stealth gameplay improves, etc.

Not as far as I know, unless board contests count.

I'm getting the MGS HD Collection once I move into my permanent residence and out of my temporary house.

Also, we should totally get Psycho Mantis, Sniper Wolf, Otacon, Meryl, and a lot of characters from this game into a GameFAQs contest. MGS1 quite possibly has the greatest character cast in any game.

Off-Topic: What do you guys think of the old Nickelodeon game shows "Legends of the Hidden Temple" and "Nick Arcade?" I've been watching them on YouTube a lot lately and I used to watch them when they aired on Nick Games and Sports.

I voted for the first option. I don't have my Wii yet but I have loose plans of replaying some Zelda and Metroid games soon.

Yeah, I figured. I still like calling it "pulling a Super Metroid" for whatever reason though.

Okay, here's a significant change to my current consideration list:

1) Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
2) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3) Ico
4) Super Metroid
5) Assassin's Creed

Final Fantasy completely drops out, and I got interested enough in replaying Ico and Shadow of the Colossus for that series to land in at #3. I decided to increase the list to 5, leaving the door wide open for the debut of Assassin's Creed.

I will not be able to continue the series until I move into my new house. This could be as early as the 16th, but at that point my house will have pretty much nothing (well, it will have a TV so I will be able to play), which has driven my parents to come up with ideas for staying away for a while, until at least a few days before everything from my last house arrives (which will include, among many other things, my Wii). Until then, I might replay MGS1.

I also forgot to mention that the Blast Furnace kinda reminded me of Ico and RE4. And when I was on the elevators in that area (not the big ones), I couldn't help but think of Legends of the Hidden Temple ("with your guide, Kirk Fogg!"). If it wasn't for SOTC, this would be the second game I've played in a row with such elevators.

Also, Liquid Snake should not have lost to Frog back then.

Random question: Do you guys think Samus could pass for a cyborg ninja if she used a sword? Hey, there's an idea for the next Metroid...(IMO I personally consider action and combat to be key parts of that series. At least, more key than for RE or MGS).

Okay, I've beaten Metal Gear Solid and completely agree with everything Leonhart said about the game. I definitely want to play through the rest of the series (at least the core four MGS installments).

I sent an e-mail message to my parents about possibly getting it. The thing is, I will be moving out of my current house (which was always meant to be nothing more than a temporary habitation) at around the 16th, and then I'll be out of town for about a week then.

Also, I have a feeling that Solidus Snake was mentioned at the end as sort of a lead-in to Sons of Liberty. I'm hyped.

Okay, a few more points:

-Quite cool to see Gray Fox, in my words, "pull off a Super Metroid" and sacrifice himself to help Snake destroy Metal Gear REX.
-Naomi's final words were pretty darn powerful and uplifting if I do say so myself.
-I loved the video clips of Alaskan wildlife shown during the credits. I guess the implication is that the clips are from Snake's point of view. If they aren't...allow me to have my own interpretation, please!

And the review!

First off, like I said, I'm with the people who consider MGS1 to have one of the best storylines in any video game, and that was likely the biggest reason I beat the game so quickly - the plot was just so darn gripping, and it got even moreso as the game progressed. Very few characters, if any, are left to be mere cogs in the war machine, pretty much all of the good guys and perhaps even one of the bad guys undergo some serious character development to emerge as at least happier people if not necessarily "better" people (since that term can be used rather loosely), the plot does an amazing job tackling real world issues like nuclear weapons and genetic engineering, etc. The game's top-notch (at least for the time!) presentation also really helps - I personally believe that the game's music was utilized as a storytelling tool very well even during the gameplay, and I would not be surprised if the graphics are perhaps the best of any console game until Final Fantasy VIII, plus the voice acting is top-notch. I can't really think of any way to improve the story or presentation.
However, I feel that Metal Gear Solid is still just as much about its gameplay as its story, if not more about the former. I found MGS's stealth gameplay to be very satisfying (particularly trying to fix my own mess when I got caught), and it's of course quite complex (yeah, just wait until I get to the sequels, I know. Looking forward to them!). Furthermore, each area in the facility has its own architecture and its own traps to deal with, making for entertaining level design as well. I also really enjoyed the "Metroidvania" elements and boss battles.
I can think of a good few issues I had with the gameplay, but they barely did much to get in the way of my enjoyment. My biggest issue with Metal Gear Solid, which again isn't that big of a deal, is some of the backtracking needed, and there were only really two occasions during the game where this got the slightest bit egregious.

Score: 10/10. While I still do feel a bit disappointed for reasons I outlined earlier in this thread, it's safe to say that Metal Gear Solid has joined the ranks of my favorite games of all time and I certainly want to explore the rest of the series and quite possibly the genre.

And...I honestly feel as if I wrote that haphazardly. I planned my review ahead of time, but then I forgot what I originally planned to write when I came here. Good thing the review turned out to be decently long anyway I guess.

Okay, current "next playthrough consideration list" looks like this:

1) Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
2) Final Fantasy VIII
3) Super Metroid
4) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of time

Though I won't have my Wii back until near the end of this month, as I stated earlier. Discussion on this is definitely encouraged, although for now, I want to journey into the rest of the Metal Gear Solid series.

Metal Gear Solid: 10/10

And I beat the game! The Metal Gear REX battle, fistfight with Liquid Snake, and final chase sequence were amazingly epic finishing touches, and there was also Liquid Snake revealing his ultimate motive: rebuilding the "Genome Army" which was being decimated in the years leading up to the game's events.

I don't really feel like writing up a full review right now. Like I said, however, Metal Gear Solid had pretty much no flaw that really got in the way of my enjoyment, and then the game does a lot exceptionally well. Pretty much an easy 10/10.

Bring on Sons of Liberty! I'll see if I can get the MGS HD Collection soon - I did see it in a local Gamestop once.

Jeff Zero posted...

Although I love 4 and especially 3 somewhat more than 1, the first game in the Solid series had the best enemy squad. Foxhound was so damn memorable.

LES ENFANTES TERRIBLES

"How does it feel to know that you're trash?"

Like I said, I wholeheartedly agree. Bit of a tossup between Psycho Mantis and Liquid Snake for favorite villain from this game..

Also, the number of times that Snake and I had the same reaction to something an NPC said continued to climb. I've lost count.

Just to ask, where is the MGS main theme heard in the game?

No kidding, man.

Also I'm interested in seeing how the future and technology evolves in the sequels.

Anyway, I got to the battle against Metal Gear REX (whose attacks are very reminiscent of the Egg Walker in Sonic Adventure. I wonder...). Long story short: Naomi and Liquid Snake ended up revealing a lot of interesting and disturbing plot points.

Midsession update:

-I noticed last session that Miller's voice sounds identical to Liquid Snake's. I know why, but Miller's become more of an important character thanks to his accusations of Naomi being a terrorist spy who injected Snake with Foxdie so I figured now was as good a time to mention as ever. I know the whole deal with Naomi is correct, but...okay, would you believe me if I understood the whole thing, but feel that it's too complex to write down, especially without giving off some spoilers which I know but don't feel like mentioning until the game does so? Anyway, I'm definitely with the people who consider MGS1 to have one of the best storylines in any video game.

-As for the rest of the plot, Otacon began hacking into Baker's database to help Snake (finding out more disturbing info about Metal Gear REX in the process), and we found out about Ocelot's and Liquid's plans to cause a diplomatic stir by targeting Lop Nor in China (something which caught me is that the winning question of the 2002 National Geography Bee was which country Lop Nor is located in - rather funny to think that the answer was in a popular 1998 video game! And yes, I used to participate in the geography bee).

-Sniper Wolf and Vulcan Raven are now both dead, with both giving entertaining speeches in their final moments. It was also rather nice for Vulcan Raven to give Snake the level 7 card.

-Both boss battles themselves were very fun, although Sniper Wolf's was a gimme once the player is set up in position and doesn't lose Sniper Wolf while sniping. Well, I suppose Snake also needs to keep his pills ready and whatnot...I dunno. Vulcan Raven's right up there with Psycho Mantis and the Hind D for my decision on favorite boss battle so far. Also, somehow Vulcan Raven sounds like he would not be out of place in Star Fox 64 to me.

-I really liked how the game's music became more dramatic as I entered the blast furnace and even moreso in Rex's Lair. I can only imagine playing this back in the day when it must've been so revolutionary.

-Bring on MGS2's "postmodern" story!

-And as of now, I'm currently trying to heat up the PAL key to get the 3rd and final code input. Time to awaken this colossus and destroy it...oh wait, wrong game!

I'm now in Metal Gear REX's lair!

I'll give more of a full update once I'm actually done with my session.

I've actually watched a bit of a LP of MGS4 (not too much of it though) as well, which is most of the reason why I was thinking about how the guard returns in MGS4 (as an ally who works closely with Meryl? Don't remember very well).

Thankfully I am now part of this ~64%.

Huh cool.

Also, something I forgot to ask about earlier, but...watching that guy who was guarding Snake's cell in between Ocelot's rounds of torture was rather funny. Is he a recurring character in the series?

Yeah, GT's Metal Gear retrospective pointed that out. Pretty sure that there are very few non-Foxhound affiliated characters in the game who didn't appear in Metal Gear 2, as well. Any other pre-MGS game with such a boss battle?

I also agree with Leonhart on this game containing one of the best casts of villains in any game, and I have high expectations for the rest of the series where this is concerned.

As for the plot, it seems that if Foxhound wasn't going to launch the nuke, it was going to take over the world via cloning Big Boss. Nice to know! IIRC that was in the one codec conversation I said I didn't remember very well. I know some people don't like major plot reveals coming through codec, and I can understand why it would irk someone, but I personally really enjoy it.

As I said, this game's an easy 10/10 for story. Quite frankly, the same can be said of the presentation. And the gameplay (well the gameplay does have some things that irk me, but not a whole lot at all). And the design. And the whole darn game.

Yeah, this is one of the best games ever. 'Nuff said.

And...wow, both Snake's and Otacon's real names are references to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Honestly, I've never seen that movie. I was already very interested in it anyway.

Kaxon posted...

From: Lightning Strikes | #005
The series follows inverse Star Trek film logic in terms of game quality (which is to say, the odd numbered ones are the good ones, as opposed to Star Trek where it's even). Especially if we count Peace Walker as MGS5.

Lies! MGS2 is the best one in the series.

Believe it or not, MGS2 was actually the one I was looking forward to the most.

And yes, if you guys thought I was not excited for the rest of the series anymore because of my "great realization", you are horribly mistaken.

Some more things:

-I do kinda feel that MGS is surprisingly Metroidvania-esque, in that finding items and unlocking previously closed rooms is a key part of the gameplay (perhaps as important as the stealth itself).

-Just to ask, do you guys know any major examples of a "man vs. aircraft" boss battle in any game released before Metal Gear Solid? I know that it's become quite popular considering how Grand Theft Auto III, Half-Life 2, and Uncharted 2 all feature "man vs. copter" boss battles (note: I've never actually played any of those games, just heard that they have helicopter boss battles. Also I've watched an LP of Half-Life 2 before).

-The last two bosses requiring use of one item (sniper rifle for Sniper Wolf, AA gun for Liquid Snake's chopper) only during the fight kinda reminds me of dungeon bosses in Zelda games, although obviously here we were getting the aforementioned items in order to fight the aforementioned bosses!

-I've heard that there is a boss battle against a jet fighter in Sons of Liberty. Looking forward to that!

-IMO Metal Gear Solid's gameplay and level design are just as "ambitious" and "groundbreaking" as its story.

whatisurnameplz posted...

From: LeonhartFour | #439

From: LinkMarioSamus | #435
Melee > Brawl forever

But Smash really isn't my kind of game nowadays.
That's because no game is your kind of game.

I think he picked Melee because LPs involving subspace emissary are boring.

Not to get into too deep an argument here, but Melee's singleplayer content is way more compelling for me than Brawl's, particularly where targest test and event matches are concerned.

Although then again, Smash has never had singleplayer that was all that good. Nothing in Melee's singleplayer really sticks out other than what I mentioned, though it sucks that Brawl butchered those.

Let it be known, however, that I'd sooner say that Brawl is better than Melee than I'd say Brawl is a bad game.

LeonhartFour posted...

From: LinkMarioSamus | #435
Melee > Brawl forever

But Smash really isn't my kind of game nowadays.
That's because no game is your kind of game.

You obviously haven't seen my MGS1 playthrough topic.

Turns out that stealth games are one of my kinds of game.

Guys. I have a bit of a disclaimer to make.

I do feel kind of disappointed with this game. Don't get me wrong, Metal Gear Solid is not bad or even overrated - it deserves all the praise it gets and is looking to be an easy 10/10 game and one of my favorite games of all time. I think the problem is that ever since I got into hardcore gaming over the Winter 2007 holidays, Metal Gear Solid has been quite possibly the game I've wanted to play most for the longest amount of time. As awkward as this is going to sound, MGS is probably the game I have the most "baggage" with going into it for the first time, as across January 2008 to June 2012, it has quite possibly been the one game I was most interested in for the longest amount of time. I managed to knock off the vast majority of Nintendo games I was interested in, my desire to get into the Final Fantasy series kinda died off about three-quarters of a year ago (oh sure, it's rising again NOW, but still), and there were several current-gen games I used to be interested in solely due to their critical acclaim (yes, I used to be that stupid) which I deemed were "not my kind of game" (e.g. multiplayer shooters, WRPGs). So...

...okay, long story short, Metal Gear Solid hasn't lived up to four and a half years of expectation. But honestly, I have a feeling that no game would. I also find that the game may not be as good as a good number of my favorite Nintendo games (e.g. Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, Super Metroid, The Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, heck I probably prefer Ico and Shadow of the Colossus).

But Metal Gear Solid is not an overrated game at all, and it's still shaping up to be one of my favorite games of all time. It's just that it simply couldn't live up to 4.5 years of me expecting that it would be better than the vast majority of my favorite games. But again, I have a feeling that no game possibly could manage that.

Also, I swear MGS breaks the fourth wall more than any other video game out there. Sure, I haven't played many, but so what?

I understand. Next time I play through MGS I will be sure to go the ketchup route.

One more thing: The Twin Snakes' graphics look really bland compared to MGS1's to me somehow.

Nice announcement!

Been generally interested in this game for a while.

On the 2nd attempt, I couldn't even make it past one round of torture. On the third round, I managed to resist all five!

For the record, I skipped all of the cutscenes and codec conversation I had already seen on the 2nd and 3rd attempts, and I actually don't remember much of the codec conversation that occured between Ocelot's first two rounds of torture. I still enjoyed them on the first time around and the game has definitely not ceased to provide compelling info at any time. I also remember when Naomi was talking about her genetic career and Snake asked about the possibility of genes containing memories, I couldn't help but think "Assassin's Creed?" Also, when Ocelot was talking about his desire to see another global war (or something), I couldn't help but wonder if this foreshadowed MGS4.

After that, I had to get all the way back to the underground passage where the sniper duel took place (kind of annoying having to take that long route twice within the span of one session, but oh well). This was followed by running past guards to reach the top of the communications tower (fun stuff!), followed by using the rope to evade Liquid Snake's Hind D and taking out guards defending the route to the Stinger Missiles (because we need an anti-aircraft weapon of some sort, yep!). I then had to run up to the top of the area where the initial communications tower chase took place (but not on the roof of the tower, of course) to get a ration in order to survive the stream of turrets in the other tower. There was also more deep conversation between Otacon and Snake beforehand, which I enjoyed listening to (like I said, this game's plot never ceases to be compelling. Bring on MGS4's 30 minute cutscenes - I'm ready!).

And then it was time for man vs. copter! After one failed attempt, I managed to shoot down Liquid Snake's Hind D in a battle that kinda came down to the wire. Either this or Psycho Mantis was probably my favorite boss battle in the game so far. And for now, this seems to be the second boss battle in which the boss actually dies - although I KNOW BETTER OF COURSE.

I'll play more tomorrow. IIRC the end of disc one is looming right around the corner.