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CoolCly posted...

I don't agree voting should be required.

I've felt before that I wasn't informed enough to vote for somebody in a race, and in that case I feel like there's no reason to vote because it wouldn't be based on anything rational, and it's damaging to influence the votes from people who actually are informed on that particular race.

I've also felt before that I strongly do not support any candidate - so I won't vote for any of them.

My understanding of mandatory voting isn't that you MUST vote for a candidate, it's that you are required to report a decisive ballot (in this case, a choice to not vote for any candidate) to the government.

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Follow up as an aside, since I'm already Going Off about local Texas politics, this is why Texas is very important to watch this year. Not because the state might turn blue for the presidency, which is a long shot, but because Democrats need to win a majority in the state House to keep more bullshit maps from being drawn next year. Republicans are terrified of Texas turning blue and have been doing everything in their power to stop it, so if they go unchecked this year they can buy another decade of stalling.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Suppression does not require racism.

I'm going to springboard off this to make another point: racism does not require intent.

Example: in 2018 there was a Texas gerrymandering case that went to the Supreme Court. It's a complicated case so if you want to read about it yourself I'll drop the link here

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06/25/us-supreme-ruling-court-texas-redistricting-case/

But the tl;dr is, state makes racially gerrymandered maps. They don't go into effect, but they still need maps so the court adopts temporary maps based on them while they are fixed. They're still biased. The state goes "let's just adopt these temp ones" and gets challenged due to the lingering bias. Is this intentionally racist suppression?

The supreme court ruled that, no, this was not intentional racist suppression and the maps are allowed to stand (except for one district). There was no evidence for intent even though there was evidence that the racial bias existed. And so, those votes are still being suppressed in a systemically racist manner, where the intent of racism has seemingly disappeared into thin air!

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turbopuns3 posted...

none of this warrants cries of systemic racism or widespread overt deliberate corruption or voter suppression.

Man why do people keep acting like this stuff has to be deliberate? Incompetence and indifference also result in the same thing. Recent politics has plenty of examples of people just not giving a shit and causing harm.

Like oh man I accidentally hit a dude with my car but I didn't MEAN to hurt him so I guess it's fine!

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turbopuns3 posted...

now all that said it's still pretty stupid that the polls close at 6pm I have no idea why it's that early.

Bruh people have been trying to tell you the reason

It's to make it harder to vote

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changmas posted...

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1275606869529296898?s=20

all my homies support bowman

you love to see it

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1275609257849827330

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nice

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Jakyl25 posted...

Gonna ask a potentially ignorant question

These votes were primaries right? Who benefits from suppression in that instance

There was a competitive progressive in the Democratic Senate candidate race so clearly this is all a ploy by the democratic establishment!

More serious answer is that while neither party may stand to gain a direct advantage over the other in the primary, a confusing primary voting process makes it more likely for the general to be bad as well. For example, how many of the closed locations are going to open back up for the general? This is really easy cover for the state to open up less than they shut down and pretend they solved it, so that's one thing I can think to look for.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Relating to his comments where he doesnt know what people want, from what Ive seen, with the Minneapolis PD maybe being disbanded and CHOP forcing out the police entirely, Joe thinks it means abolishing the police entirely, and hes not with that.

Knowing that he supports universal healthcare, more money for schools, etc, I think if someone sat down with him and explained it to him properly hed hop right on board.

See this is my frustration with Rogan

Why would I trust this man if he has to constantly be spoon-fed information?

I understand that what people like about Rogan is that he has a huge platform and uses it to host a variety of guests. But even setting aside the guests I don't agree with, I have a hard time looking past that Joe Rogan the Entertainer's platform is also used to promote Joe Rogan the Dumbass. And also sell supplements.

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CoolCly posted...

He doesn't believe that the people shouting defund the police really mean "reallocate the resources to various type of professionals that will work together to solve the myriad of issues that the police have to deal with which they aren't trained for" like people here believe those people mean. They have no real organized spokespeople, so he thinks they are a mob that want the police actually abolished, which he thinks is really stupid.

But he absolutely does agree the longer version would be a great idea.

Yeah, so it sounds like he's pretty uniformed! I won't act like I've done all the required reading either, but the abolition movement isn't just a "mob" and has plenty of leaders and decades of writing.

Maybe instead of making bad takes about it he should have one of those people on his show (assuming he can find any that are willing to look past said takes).

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CoolCly posted...

in the forum of ideas, the right thing will prevail when enough people see it.

lmao

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CoolCly posted...

Well, this is why anti Rogan takes always seem so silly to me. They are always based on having no idea what Rogan actually does or thinks.

Rogan talks about this movement all the time, all of the things he's in support of and all the parts of it he's critical of. For example, he 100% thinks Floyd was murdered by Chauvin and Chauvin should be convicted for it. But he also thinks looting 100% needs to be stopped somehow. So is he in support of BLM or not? Do you have any idea? Should you just dismiss him entirely for not supporting BLM?

I mean I definitely dismiss his take about the protestors because that's the take of a dumbass who doesn't know what he's talking about and would rather complain than engage. It makes me less likely to consider his opinions in the future. I also will dimiss the other dumb takes he will make or has made in the past. But sure, I don't know all of his opinions, maybe there's some good ones buried under the trash.

How does he feel about abolishing the police?

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why is Biden the comparison here? I feel like I'm witnessing some alternative universe Godwin's Law here. At least compare to other comedian-pundits and talk show hosts like John Oliver or Colbert. Hell, if you want a low bar then Rogan's good friend Alex Jones is right there

Also forgive me if I'm skeptical about Joe Rogan the leftist ally when the initial clip was about him not understanding one of if not THE largest leftist movements of our time, BLM.

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Honestly hope they really lean in to the multiverse stuff for the movies because that's one way they can have their cake and eat it too, while still being different than the MCU approach

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So the rumor is Flashpoint is going to literally go to the future of the Burtonverse and Keaton is reprising the role.

https://twitter.com/elmayimbe/status/1275191761573310464?s=19

Huge if true.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

In fact, that was literally Tonys plan.

The Cap defenders of Civil War drive me insane, especially when its the movie version where Cap know about and is also protecting the guy who assassinated Tonys parents.

can't believe Tony is in here arguing for government cops to assassinate the mentally ill

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turbopuns3 posted...

That is, I don't think none of them could talk about it. But I do think there is a lot to be said forthat feeling like you're a part of something, like Joe mentioned. So naturally by the numbers, many people in the crowd would be in those shoes.

Fair enough. I think this ties into the idea that being part of a large movement is to amplify other voices, but sure.

turbopuns3 posted...

Joe is addressing the problem and I do not believe that retweeting the clip with no added insight or helpfulness beyond "Fuck Rogan" is going to accomplish much beyond starting internet fights.

I don't think he is addressing the problem. Rogan is a multimillionaire with the time, resources, and media platform to understand it if he wants to. Instead he waxes poetic about how he just doesn't get it, man. Maybe the clip is out of context but he's not offering any insight either so "Fuck Rogan" is a fine response.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Because concrete, actionable goals are what we can change rather systematically, as opposed to the infinitely deeper issue of literally removing racist thoughts and feelings from society.

Like, ok I waved the magic wand. Nobody is a racist any more starting today! Oh wait we still have disproportionately high numbers of black people incarcerated. Oh wait black neighborhoods are still impoverished and dangerous. Oh wait there are still laws and regulations that slant the system. Etc. Damn I wish we put more planning into our chat with that magic wand guy so we could've fixed this more effectively. That stuff wouldn't disappear in an instant if racism went away, though of course one would think it would trend in that direction over time.

Why do you seem to think people actually at protests would not be able to talk about at least some of these points?

Rogan complains about the "No Justice No Peace" slogan because in his view, the cops who murdered Floyd being charged is justice. Pretty sure the protestors disagree that justice is complete.

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I hate Tony Stark and I still think this is a reasonable take

Movie good

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Thinking about it more, it's also okay to dress up specific Defund policies as "Reform the Police." Theres the idea of "non-reformist reforms" which are broad reforms that change the actual structure of the system. These are good. The problem right now is that most people and politicians supporting reform do not support good policy, and need to be pushed to the left.

Specific examples would be, inadequate but popular reforms are things like the chokehold ban, sensitivity/ conflict training, and increasing funds for body cams. These don't sufficiently address the problem and can generally be ignored by individual cops and therefore cops as a whole (and may cost more money while doing so).

Non-reformist reforms that Defund advocates would support are demilitarization, ending qualified immunity, decriminalization of petty crimes, and yes, reducing spending on the police budget.

So there you go. If you are concerned about messaging you should instead be convincing reformists to get better policies.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

But there are also a lot of people who can agree that a funding reduction might be correct but who do NOT want to abolish the police altogether.

And by leading "defund the police" you are putting a sour taste in the mouth of people who will initially think it means abolishment and not simply "give less money to". A more ideal situation would be a phrase that gets this across so you don't have to quickly explain what it really means to the majority of people who take it to mean abolishment.

Abolish and Defund are very different words. That's enough of a distinction imo. The key aspect of Defund is clear - give less money to police. It started as aboltion, but now that it's bigger the goals differ among supporters whether to get rid of them entirely, and that's fine.

I think there is no getting around that the position requires a more detailed explanation. The difference between "Defund the police" and "reduce funding to the police" is minimal. All this time spent workshopping new slogans is better used explaining the position.

And yes I know that the common wisdom is that if you have to explain policy then it's a bad policy. But if "defund" isn't good enough for you then it is too complicated to summarize quickly. And opponents of the policy will take advantage of any confusion no matter what it's called.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

And then you show them a graph of the city budget and explain that crime can be reduced with other programs and we wont need to pay ALL The money to cops to kill people after the crimes are committed and sometimes when crimes aren't even committed.

You think the conservatives arguing in bad faith are gonna believe graphs?

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

This isn't true tbh. Thinking this just helps no one but the self righteous.

I would say this was the case when the movement started, but at this point it would have to take years of willful ignorance to still think this way

Data shows that the recent protests are pretty dramatically turning public support of BLM positive, so we are quickly heading to the point where people who don't understand it are true ops.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

But the replies to that tweet say he said moments later that the movement needs spokespeople with more specific positions, so Im (naturally) inclined to think Puns is right on the money.

This is kind of the opposite of what the organizing is though. There are community leaders but the movement basically shuns the idea of national spokespeople.

It really is mostly up to people to educate themselves. And sympathetic media figures to be the bridge between the movement and the general public. That's why the activists aren't going to change the Defund slogan but you get all these journalists going "well, here's what this means and looks like." Rogan is in that media sphere, but he uses his influence not to explain but be explained to, so of course he's taking that position.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Eh, I don't get that vibe at all tbh

Do you agree that ignorance can itself be malice, or lead to it? Because that's basically what Rogan is doing.

Putting it another way, if this viewpoint was coming from Joe Schmo it's understandable, and an opportunity for education. But this is noted multimillionaire celebrity media host and entrepreneur Joe Rogan. He is literally part of the 1%. He SHOULD and COULD know better. He's not as important an ally as he needs people to think for his career. Why make excuses for him?

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Nah, I'm sorry, but his stance in the clip is bullshit. He isn't just saying "oh I'm dumb I dont get it." The biggest giveaway is that he says if you pulled a young person away from the protest, they wouldn't be able to explain their slogans.

Really? Rogan thinks that people voluntarily made the choice to protest during a global pandemic and can't explain why they're there? Keep in mind also that these protests also contain rallies with community leaders espousing at length the dangers of systemic racism, capitalism, the PIC and the police state, which is how you can tell he has never seriously interacted with the current movement. It is patronizing and self aggrandizing that he would make this argument when the reality is that every single person at a BLM rally he is talking about is more informed than he is.

Why would I or anyone else give a single shit about Rogan's dudebro socialism when he is constantly undermining the message like this?

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Because he has an audience tbh. Like the Rogan types are the types that need to get it for change to actually stick. Those that are stupid and don't get it but don't actively fight against it. That's the whole game.

This is true, but you're also gonna need a better and more consistent spokesperson for that than Joe fucking Rogan

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I want to make a Historic deck but I told myself I'll wait until M21 is out...and now Jumpstart looks to be a much bigger deal, but isn't releasing until after that.

Maybe I'll just build Scapeshift anyways. Surely some variation of Uro.dec will still be good

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Jakyl25 posted...

I also did not know until this article that the CHAZ had rebranded to the CHOP and now I dont even know what the point is

Pretty sure it's just because the CHAZ twitter hashtag got flooded with right-wingers almost immediately, making it hard for people in the area to use Twitter for updates

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Surprised no one has mentioned BROCKHAMPTON which is both pop and hip-hop! Too obvious?

Big seconds on Anderson .Paak, RTJ, Vince Staples, Pusha-T, Danny Brown. Some other recent artists that come to mind:

Hip-hop: Denzel Curry, Freddie Gibbs, Noname, JPEGMAFIA (latest album is also experimental pop-ish)
Pop: Kali Uchis, Kero Kero Bonito, Poppy, Grimes

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Dark horse VP choice: Nina Turner.

Extremely similar experience to Abrams, except in Ohio, without the baggage, and progressive credibility and support.

Thoughts?

https://twitter.com/CGasparino/status/1273965231182667778?s=19

I think it's time to brace yourself

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Oh I didn't see that about AMC. Alamo I'm not sure if they've said anything else yet.

Better but I still am pessimistic about the whole thing as cases continue to rise in many states

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Yeah that's a good point. Alamo Drafthouse is requiring masks but allowing you to take them off to eat which is the entire business model. I assume AMC is also going to still be selling concessions so it doesn't help much, especially if they're still booking theaters at full capacity.

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There's a few other names being reported on that are floating around, but a lot of them are governors and/or mayors. Personally I think it would be a terrible look for say, the mayor of Atlanta to peace out for VP with everything going on.

Val Demings is a rep from Florida and another common name on the list but she's also a literal ex-cop and doesn't have the national recognition Kamala has (probably a better record though) so I dunno.

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banananor posted...

Harris would be a supremely disappointing choice. A lawyer acquaintance of mine has been helping defend against police abuse of power her entire career, and did not have nice things to say about harris's resume

I should do my research, though

Off the top of my head, Harris thought the solution to school truancy was more policing and threatening to prosecute poor families, and was really tough on nonviolent drug crime. It's not good, and she specifically has a lot to answer for if she wants to pivot to being more progressive than Biden.

But you know what? My honest opinion is she's fine. And I say this as someone who kept yelling to defund the police. But from my perspective, with very few exceptions, all Democrats are on the side of cops. And so is Bernie. I think at this point it's pretty ridiculous to be resigned to voting for the biggest cop of them all, Joe Biden, and have it be contingent on the VP pick.

I don't think anyone here is going to be happy with his pick if the lists going around are accurate, so if you're not gonna vote at least be honest and blame Biden for being a dumpster fire and not whatever woman he picks for VP.

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Sounds like buying a PC for this was a good decision, although with this I could have waited a year. <_<

I'm glad to hear they're giving more time for polish though

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colliding posted...

from chrono cross to ground zeroes to this, I hope developers finally get the message that murdering/torturing/putting beloved main characters through hell doesn't automatically make your stories emotionally resonant. in fact, it often has the opposite effect.

Hey both of those stories hurt because they're going directly against the tone and themes of previous games, but at least they are actually using that suffering to tell complex and unique stories! Neither of them are as straightforward as TLOU2 seems to be, which is mostly an exaggerated version of the first game's tone with a simpler message of revenge bad.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

And on an inconceivably less important note...was anybody upset about Aunt Jemima? Like, I GET IT...but I feel like that's a brand that nobody was actually up in arms about.

I mean.....yes

I think it's a mistake to characterize it as some weird outrage mob getting "up in arms" and not just a bunch of deserved criticism that happened to go viral. Why even complain about the complaining if you understand why it happened.

Edit: or sorry? Maybe you didn't realize but the reason they changed it is someone made a viral tiktok about how this thing everyone always knew was a bit racist and ignored because it wasn't that important was even more racist than you thought

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pjbasis posted...

So there I am with two swamps and a mountain, claim the first born in hand, a gutterbones in the yard.

I'm like, I wanna get gutterbones out and then play him onto the field again right? So I tap my mountain and another thing to pay bones' activation cost...and it taps my untapped swamp and leaves a red mana floating.

I can't believe the game doesn't automatically prioritize floating mana over untapped lands even if you have a playable card in hand.

Did you have a red card like a Shock in hand or something? Only thing I can think of but that still seems pretty bad.

In general the autotapper doesn't take new information into account like the fact that you're going to put Gutterbones into your hand, and it might try to prioritize something it already knows you can cast. Same thing happens if I cast Lurrus for example - it doesn't look at my graveyard to see what I could cast next and so might tap the wrong lands.

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Xiahou Shake posted...

I can't wait to see what absolutely essential plot information is contained within.

it's so on-brand for the series that the trailer even demonstrates this will be the case

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StealThisSheen posted...

Also remember the bucket of rocks that was left out to throw at police

That ended up being a planter with the plant taken out

EDIT: And the pallet of bricks in an area where there was no construction or buildings with bricks of that type around at all.

It's tough to instantly believe anything like this anymore.

don't forget the cement "disguised" as ice cream!

that was actually just how construction workers test cement

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Scooze is both a good reprint to fight the cat and titans and also a bad reprint because it fits right into Uro.dec

The shrines are pretty funny, good cards

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tcaz2 posted...

Ditch the trend of "-eon" and name the Bug type Beevee.

Bees are secondary flying or poison though and a dual type eevee would just be absurd.

We want Fleavee

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changmas posted...

This is precisely why we should defund the police - someone with a gun doesn't need to come to scenarios like this. An actual public service for the people would've just driven him home.

Yeah exactly. How incompetent at the task of public safety do you have to be to allow a drunk to steal your weapon and then be """forced""" to shoot them because you've created a threat? It's unreal that people can justify a situation that was very clearly escalated solely due to police presence.

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Jakyl25 posted...

If there are no more traffic violations, that cuts into police funding

Oh there will still be traffic violations, but as the cars are driving themselves all bills go directly to Elon Musk or Google

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redrocket posted...

Ok, I gotta ask. Your introduction to this character has her torturing and murdering a guy in cold blood. Exactly what context or character development do you think the rest of the game is going to provide to make you think, oh yeah, that was totally justified, shes cool now?

This is what MGS did with Revolver Ocelot! Took 3 games for that guy though.

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Yeah and it really isn't too much of a time sink to level an alt if you already have one class higher leveled. There's a 2x bonus to EXP when you level another class as long as you have another at higher level. And you unlock more resources to stack bonus on top like squadron manuals, efficient sources like PotD, and other stuff.

If you're bummed that you look hideous while leveling just know that fashion is the true endgame of FF14 by design. Don't fall for the trap of boosting!

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Yeah even though I'm fine with tbe treatment of Joel in theory as well as playing as the bad guy to get you to empathize (considering, imo, the first game does this as well), the game still sounds excruciating and possibly miserable to play since the message just seems to be "hey murder and revenge are bad." So that I get.

Even if, somehow, Abby turns out to be a likable character, the whole thing seems shallow for a misery simulator.

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Reg posted...

Drunk driving is still a very serious issue though, and should not be defended under any circumstances.

Oh I agree. I'm not defending it by any means. Corrik's arguments are a mess but he is right that it's a common and widespread problem, the way we're handling it does not help, and that overall we need less punitive measures (though he's also saying to shoot people so. again, a mess.)

I just find it weird that there's a bunch of liberals itt going "unlike Corrik I dont agree with literally executing drunk drivers but still fuck you forever if you do this crime, especially if you're poor"

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If you have him blocked, the thing that Corrik is talking about where cars are fitted with a device that makes them not start if you've been drinking is a much better solution that straight up taking licenses away. Assuming they actually work.

How about that! I agree with Corrik about this!

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