Lurker > 1337toothbrush

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This is who Biden so desperately wants to provide many more billions of dollars to?

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I dunno, are the killer wasps everywhere yet?

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Yeah, that's why CE doesn't lean left, they're just democratic party diehard fans. I say that the democratic party should do better and the only response is to parrot "the democratic party is all we have." Okay? They should still do better.

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For attacking democrats from the left? Yeah, I know that already.

*user makes a post about how ridiculous a moderation was*

CE: "You must be a fascist. Stop whining about a moderation that our perfect moderators perfectly moderated correctly as they never make mistakes or have biases."

darkbuster posted...

True, but CE is blatantly left leaning, overall. Expect any right winged views to be promptly subject to intense scrutiny & promptly criticized. Honestly, you're basically putting yourself in the hot-seat, in the same vein as when a left leaning figure actually agrees to appear on Fox News.

CE is not left leaning, it's a democratic party fan club, especially after the closure of the politics board (which itself was the ultimate democratic party fan club). Their opinions rarely, if ever, stray from the party. The party is considered the savior of the universe and any criticism of the party means that you must either be a trumpist or, if you criticize from the left, a trumpist in disguise.

darkbuster posted...

Real talk: that's basically everywhere. You don't express your left wing views in a den of conservatives, & right wing ideals will get you cancelled in a predominantly left wing environment. Talk trash about Nintendo on a pro-Nintendo board, you're gonna be disliked. Bad mouth a popular sports team in their hometown, you probably ain't gonna be liked.

Except this is "current events" not "my political party's message board".

MC_BatCommander posted...

You didn't get suspended for having a different opinion.

That's just your opinion.

What don't you like about it?

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Inohira posted...

The Democrats saying that mean they want a moderate Republican party.

I don't agree that we need a GOP at all, but they're not saying they want fascists.

Democrats are the moderate republican party.

Guide posted...

You remind me of Gardenia. Specifically, this Gardenia

The step from making a human sexy is a lot smaller than the leap from a stuffed-doll-looking-ass rabbit.

Rise_Makaveli posted...

Game and 3 months expansion pass is added at no extra cost, don't get greedy lol.

I'm getting greedy? The Switch is still $300 after almost seven years. They're bundling an almost five year old game and three months of the regular online membership, not even the expansion pass. The online membership even works as an advertisement since it only gives you a taste of the online even if the online play for Smash Bros is a rough experience.

None of the DLC?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

This is horseshit. Not pushing back against this one issue isn't the same thing as not pushing back. Billions and Billions of student debt has been forgiven. Insulin prices were capped on Medicare. Taxes got raised on the richest companies in America. Migration is being handled better. Aid is getting sent to Ukraine. Yes he could do more but he's doing a lot and saying that things won't be different from the republicans is just straight up bold-faced lies.

No, what you posted is horseshit democrat PR. That student loan forgiveness was on loans that were already meant to be forgiven but was held up on people who had gone through a years long process. He also forgave scam school loans. The student loan problem is over a trillion dollars large, these billions are fucking peanuts. Insulin prices were capped but still way too fucking high, just look at Canada. A real solution is possible but you love to settle for crumbs.

Taxes got raised in certain instances, but not getting to the root of the problem of the rich hoarding wealth, and the rich can work around it. Again, crumbs, and it's not going to build up to a real solution because it's not meant to. Biden maintained some of Trump's policies and reverse others, but offers no real solution. Again, taking one step forward when republicans take five steps back is still going in the wrong direction.

Getting aid to Ukraine is actually a bipartisan measure. Republicans will pretend they're against it and make a lot of noise, but just look at the votes. They make noise so that they can get more of their shit through "as a compromise" to passing Ukraine aid. Again, republicans know how to play the game while democrats get played, or rather, you get played because democrats are fine with this since it serves their donors.

mistymermaid posted...

Much of that is because the mainstream media is perpetuating the charade. News outlets are so bent on "unbiased" reporting, they omit the (inconvenient, in that they don't want to lose viewers) truth of what Republicans have become.

Which media outlet forced top democrats like Biden and Pelosi to say that America needs a strong republican party? Surely they would know what republicans are like. Why does America need a strong fascist party?

mistymermaid posted...

That defeatist attitude can get the fuck out of here. Abandoning the push back against republicans because you're fatigued by how drawn out the conflict has been, is a display of weakness beneficial to fascists.

It's not an attitude problem, it's a problem inherent in the system. Democrats are not pushing back against republicans, which is why guaranteeing your vote to them won't actually change anything. If you want to actually solve the problem, you have to change the system itself. You cannot change the system from within because it was designed so that it couldn't be.

When I see the lopunny, I do not see ripped yoga pants. Regardless, putting ripped yoga pants on a stuffed animal doesn't suddenly make it arousing.

Yeah but that stuffed toy is NAKED and thus clearly sexualized

"rouge the bat" apparently

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I've yet to hear anyone explain how voting for democrats will change anything when the democrats themselves say that "America needs a strong republican party". Why does the country need a strong fascist party? The only reason I can see is so that democrats have another party to point to and say "vote against that" because they have no other reason to vote for democrats. Which, again, if you have one party promising to turn things to shit and another party promising to keep things the same, you're just pacing out turning to shit. That makes it so that the parties aren't technically the exact same, but the eventual outcome is obvious, unless you think it's possible for republicans to never get elected ever again (which isn't likely, especially when democrats claim that we need a strong republican party and will help them stay viable).

theAteam posted...

They let you expense so many things. I was getting massages and expensing them to my HSA. My company funded $500 per year so I was getting free massages.

"Massage - Fees paid for massages are not reimbursable unless to treat a physical disability or illness. Medical diagnosis is required."
https://www.cigna.com/individuals-families/member-guide/eligible-expenses#M-O

Shadow_Don posted...

I was on 261 for a long time and thats fucking bullshit. Just straight up lying. Anyone from 261 will probably back this up.

You must've had amazing selective vision to have missed all the terms like "Bernie Bros" being thrown around as an insult. They were constantly blaming Bernie and his supporters for Trump winning.

Shadow_Don posted...

Bro. Nobody disagrees that there is a 2 party system that has a stronghold.

It's about which of those 2 parties isn't the fascist lunatic party.

I'm sorry, but you aren't smarter than everyone else on this board just because you read the spark notes of Manufacturing Consent.

One party is a fascist lunatic party. The other party claims that America needs this party:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-america-needs-the-republican-party.html
https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-says-us-needs-strong-republican-party-1779854

And Hillary's team did whatever they could to promote the current figurehead of the fascist lunatic party:
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

What do you think that says about democrats?

mistymermaid posted...

Topic over. Any gripes one might have with the Democrats pale in comparison.

Republicans are telling you they want a white ethnostate. Why is there any debate over voting against neo-Nazi policies? The parallels in their stance on abortion alone should make it obvious.

This topic is literally about Biden pledging maximum support to an ethnostate committing genocide.

hockeybub89 posted...

And we're all going to fucking die if one party wins, so we need to suck it up and vote for survival at all costs.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-america-needs-the-republican-party.html
https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-says-us-needs-strong-republican-party-1779854
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

Democrats don't seem very concerned.

Tyranthraxus posted...

If your election strategy consists of hoping moderates have to split their votes 8 different ways then maybe you're not really a popular candidate after all.

Also it's fucking hilarious about how Biden has to "earn votes" but Sanders doesn't have to do anything except hope multiple other people running on nearly identical platforms can't get a majority.

If Bernie was the nominee in 2016, he would've won the general election. Turns out what party diehards want isn't necessarily the same as what the nation as a whole wants. This is what you people should've learned in 2016, but you were convinced that Hillary was a guaranteed winner in 2016, which just goes to show how much you know.

Shadow_Don posted...

Ok. Who got more votes though? Was it Bernie or was it Hillary?

Should we have gathered the party to override that vote and made Bernie the candidate?

and there it is....

If anyone was confused by this stupid and exhausting debate then you should not be confused any longer.

Comparing the election process to that of Russia is just insane.

What's actually insane is how anyone can see the stage play known as American politics and think you actually have a say. There are only two viable parties and they filter candidates through their primary process and you think this is a fair system that totally isn't stacked against party outsiders.

Shadow_Don posted...

They espoused progressive values universally.

They espoused democratic values universally and shouted down progressive values as "impractical" or claimed that the only way to achieve those changes is through a reform process so slow that it might as well be standstill because republicans could easily reverse such small changes. 2016 broke their brain and made them double down instead of admitting they were wrong.

Shadow_Don posted...

Still. More. Votes.

Yeah, and Putin got 77.53% of the vote in 2018. Doesn't really matter when the process is controlled.

BignutzisBack posted...

I'm not sure I follow, just because I haven't spoken on it in depth yet doesn't mean HSA's magically stop letting you use them for non-medical expenses during retirement. I will go into more depth on the that portion during my next Ted talk, you can't skip ahead you need to start from the beginning!

You said it's the best retirement plan and then didn't explain on how it can actually be used as a retirement plan.

Shadow_Don posted...

261 was almost universally progressive.

They aligned almost perfectly with democratic party policies and labeled anything outside of that as radical.

Shadow_Don posted...

Hillary. Got. More. Votes. From. The. Voters.

So did Biden.

During. The. Party. Controlled. Primary. Process. And. With. The. Power. Of. All. Their. Big. Media. Buddies. Controlling. The. Narrative. On. Who. Was. Likely. To. Win.

BignutzisBack posted...

There is also a way once you are retired to use built up HSA money on non-medical expenses, but that's a whole conversation for another time.

This is literally the most important part if you want to use it as a retirement fund. If you won't elaborate then it's useless outside of medical expenses.

Shadow_Don posted...

Because that's literally the only thing you post about dude. A lot of people here know you from 261 and the only posts you make are about why you shouldn't vote for democrats. For YEARS.

261 eventually became democrat mini-HQ so I can see why they'd take "democrats need to do better" as "he's telling people to not vote democrat!!!!!!!!!!!" but for sane people, that's not how they'd read this lightest of criticisms.

Shadow_Don posted...

Or maybe because progressives don't vote??? Because assholes tell them not to vote?

Or maybe progressives would vote if they felt like they had a chance??? Obama ran a progressive campaign and was wildly successful. Democrats kneecapped Bernie with counting superdelegates and showing Hillary as a lock early on. Then they assembled moderate voltron for Biden. Democrats fight harder against progressives than republicans.

@asdf8562 just refer to the above for your redundant post.

asdf8562 posted...

Like what you are doing in this topic. Trying to convince/defend people staying home election. A well known strategy of Republicans who openly admit more people voting they'll lose.

Me: "I vote for democrats every single election down the entire ballot"

You: "You're trying to convince people to stay home"

You're also still ignoring why republicans win when fewer people vote. It's because they deliver what their voters want so their voters are dedicated in return.

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Shadow_Don posted...

No.

They think they can twitter complain their way out of the full blown fascist theocracy when it finally happens in the US.

I'm sure you'll be extra smug on twitter about how your strategy of insulting and shaming people into voting didn't work.

darkace77450 posted...

The Democratic Party disenfranchised voters? Citation needed.

Voter turnout in primaries is even lower than the general election. So clearly something is preventing people from voting in primaries even more than the general.

hockeybub89 posted...

Everyone needs to vote for Democrats in 2024. Stop giving people outs. The entire fate of America hinges on the GOP losing.

I hate the fucking Democrats far more than you, but my anger is going to WORTHLESS if we're all fucking dead and never get to vote again!

The GOP is holding a loaded gun to our heads and you're telling people that it's cool if they let them pull the trigger, because it's the Democrats fault for taking advantage of your desire to not die instead of them fighting the gun out of the GOP's hands. You know that couldn't happen within a year in even a perfect world full of Democrats that like us.

People not voting is exercising their right to not have to vote. You're giving an out to democrats who should be working to appeal for votes. Literally, that's the only job of a politician on the campaign trail, and democrats fail at it. Stop giving them outs.

Also, republicans are holding a loaded gun to our heads and democrats helped them load it:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-america-needs-the-republican-party.html
https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-says-us-needs-strong-republican-party-1779854
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

asdf8562 posted...

Despite Republicans losing the popular vote twice:
Holds enough power in the Senate and House to obstruct progress;
Is able to win the presidency through the electoral college system;
Has Republicans actively trying to correct their mistakes from 2020 to allow them to reverse results of elections they don't like;
Has Republicans openly admitting they fear for the chances of winning when more people can vote. Hence their efforts to reduce voters (similar to your efforts actually with you enlightened progressive routine);

So it's not a shocker at all people like you love to ignore the minority party is able to hold power by your type promoting people to staying home.

So either your a closet Republican or an enlightened Progressive.

See, that's another thing. Republicans play dirty and they fight for every scrap of power they can get. Meanwhile democrats sit with their thumbs up their ass and claim they can't do anything ever. If anything you're the closet republican because you're content with this arrangement.

hockeybub89 posted...

man, 1337toothbrush inspires even more confidence than status quo Democrats: "They keep the GOP around on purpose and don't want to be better. Join me in realizing it is all hopeless, and vote for death in 2024!"

I've said multiple times that I vote for democrats down the entire ballot every time. Are you saying that's equal to voting for death? Even though I vote democrat every time, I'm not stupid enough to think it'll make a difference, but I do it because I might as well. I just don't think it's my place to say "vote or die" to other people and I think that anger is better directed at the do-nothing democrats who do nothing to appeal to voters and do nothing to advance progressive causes.

Shadow_Don posted...

What? Hillary and Biden got more votes than Bernie. There was not voter disenfranchisement.

Voters clearly support policies more progressive than those crusty jackasses, the problem is that they weren't able to vote for one reason or another. Why are you against getting people to vote?

asdf8562 posted...

Your claim that you vote Democrat down the ballot is irrelevant to me given your enlightened progressive routine of telling others in a roundabout way to let Republicans win if your wet dream progressive pick lost some unproven rigged election. That and you defending that somehow in your roundabout way that both parties are the same.

Funny how not voting means that republicans win. Do you know why that is? It's because republicans give their voters exactly what they want, so they reliably show up to vote. Shocking, I know.

darkace77450 posted...

The Republican Party is on its way out.

Don't worry, democrats will swoop in to make sure that doesn't happen.

hockeybub89 posted...

Well then I guess you're cool letting the GOP exterminated millions of LGBTQ people and reducing women to subhumans on the federal level. I guess that's necessary to you because otherwise the Democrats won't try harder. We need to show them we mean business!

Is that why democrats say we need that party?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-america-needs-the-republican-party.html
https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-says-us-needs-strong-republican-party-1779854

Is that why democrats promote fascists?
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

darkace77450 posted...

Democrats aren't saying it, Republicans are. They're telling you straight up that they will do everything in their power to eradicate transgender Americans, that they will force women to die of preventable pregnancy complications, that corporations will be allowed to poison both people and the planet, and that even the most violent, deranged individual has the right to own a high caliber semi-automatic rifle designed for military use.

Is that why democrats say we need that party?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-america-needs-the-republican-party.html
https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-says-us-needs-strong-republican-party-1779854

Is that why democrats promote fascists?
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

Seriously folks, try actually addressing the points raised or don't bother. Or is it to difficult for you to face the reality that the democrats team up with republicans to drive the country down the gutter? "B-b-b-but they're not the exact same" doesn't matter if we're ending up with fascism sooner or later when one party is fascist and the other helps fascists.

Shadow_Don posted...

Cool.

Sounds like you should stop being bums and vote then instead of just letting Biden and Hillary beat you.

Voter disenfranchisement is cool now?

asdf8562 posted...

Congrats! Your enlightened progressive routine only aids the party actively trying to actively making things much much worse and openly flirts with doing away with elections entirely for the dear orange leader. (Republicans)

What enlightenment? I vote democratic down the entire ballot every single election, I just happen to respect the choices of other. You, on the other hand, are an enlightened democrat who thinks they know better than everyone else and thinks that if we guarantee democrats votes -- no matter what, even when they're supporting genocide full-throatedly -- then democrats will surely listen to us someday instead of serving their own interests first and foremost. You also think that it's the job of the voter to guarantee votes instead of the job of politicians to appeal to voters, as if we're living in bizarro world. Maybe we are, because I can't imagine any other world calling this a democracy.

Shadow_Don posted...

Lol

Bro they arent saying to vote or they will kill you.

The other party is the one saying they will kill you and you're like: "ok fine".

Is that why democrats say we need that party?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-america-needs-the-republican-party.html
https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-says-us-needs-strong-republican-party-1779854

Is that why democrats promote fascists?
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

Democrats want to uphold the status quo and they'll help fascists up onto the stage to scare people into "choosing" between existing fascism or more fascism. Then you all defend democrats as if they're good people lol

No one else seeing the irony of the "democratic" party basically saying "vote or die"?

darkace77450 posted...

So what you're saying is your fellow Bernie supporters failed to show up in the primaries, and as a result Bernie lost? We finally agree. I guess we're done here then; debate over.

So when republicans benefit from voter disenfranchisement, you're mad, but when democrats benefit from voter disenfranchisement, you're smug. Nice.

asdf8562 posted...

I'm not the one defending people staying home as valid reasons. That's you.

Staying home is doing nothing.

Elections regardless have consequences even if one candidates does little as you say to reverse damage (as you allege, Democrats) and the other is actively making things much much worse and openly flirts with doing away with elections entirely for the dear orange leader. (Republicans)

Any rational arguing or defending the idea of letting Republicans win because you think Democrats don't do enough is dumb logic if you truly lean left. There is absolutely no guarantees whatsoever your dreamy wetdream candidate will ever have enough control of the government given what Republicans actively are pushing for which is laws to keep them permanently in power.

Staying home is a form of voting. It's saying "I don't see any candidates worth going to the polls to vote for". Maybe you hate democracy, but I think people should have a choice. If democrats don't want fascism, then they should stop promoting fascist candidates and then portraying themselves as heroes for being the only opposition: https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

Democrats being brain-dead morons has consequences.

Shadow_Don posted...

Progressives are the minority. Seems like they are the ones that need to make concessions and appeal to others.

And I dont see how "well your just as bad as the right and you arent doing anything so im not voting" isn't a shame tactic.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/majority-of-americans-support-progressive-policies-such-as-paid-maternity-leave-free-college.html

Shadow_Don posted...

Ranked choice voting is good.

Not sure about no primaries though. Seems like it leaves the door open for so much ratfucking. I can have my mind changed though.

Ranked choice should reduce the impact of vote splitting, but if there are too many candidates then it can go into multiple rounds.

asdf8562 posted...

Once again, your logic of do nothing and intentionally let things get far worse is what brought us a conservative Supreme Court.

Elections regardless have consequences even if one candidate does little as you say to reverse damage and the other is actively making things much much worse.

Generations of damage is not a "small price." Especially given what Republicans are literally aiming to do which is to install their white ethno theocratic state with Trump and his sycophants at the wheel. There is absolutely no guarantees whatsoever the Republicans round 2 attempt if Trump becomes president that he will actually leave and the US guardrails in place will make him go. We have an entire party that wants to install him as the leader and is willing to ignore laws and create laws to keep him president. Their first attempt just spectacularly failed.

So this idea of letting Republicans win is operating on an extremely false pretense that some dreamy progressive or whoever will win in the future (2028) and somehow magically reverse all of the damage caused by Republicans like Roe v Wade, a conservative Supreme Court, magically somehow overcome Congress, and any new damages caused 2024.

Doing nothing isn't my logic, it's yours. I never said don't vote or, worse, to vote for republicans. I always vote and entirely democratic down the entire ballot every time. However, if you want to convince more people to vote for democrats, you have to appeal to them. Like, this should be obvious and basic politicking, but you're so resistant to democrats doing anything that you refuse to acknowledge this one simple trick. In other words, you want democrats to do nothing, but want to shame voters into voting for them. It just doesn't make any sense.

Shadow_Don posted...

Do you mean you want viable third parties or do you mean you just want to eliminate the primary process all together or that there should be no political parties?

I'm against the two party system and want other viable parties but I'm not sure how feasible it is to not have a primary process or to not have political parties.

Eliminate primaries + use ranked choice voting (which would probably help make third parties viable). This would be a good start, I think.

Shadow_Don posted...

As opposed to what? Let republicans control our primary process? No thanks.

You're so stuck in thinking through the current two party system that you assume if it's not democrats then it must be republicans. How about we have a system where presidential candidates aren't filtered through party primaries of which there are only two viable parties?

darkace77450 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHS-K7OuLAc

Funny since it was the Hillary-supporting media counting superdelegates for Hillary before getting anywhere close to the end of the primaries, so if anyone was playing games with numbers, it was the democratic party. Regardless, that doesn't address the fact that candidates are squeezed through party primaries and are thus subject to the whims of the only two viable parties. Additionally, voter participate rates in primaries are even more pathetic than in the general plus they skew toward party diehards (because, again, they're *party* primaries).