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I'm probably not going to return regularly to these topics but I just wanted to drop this off here.

https://x.com/okimstillhungry/status/1966518549872021665

Okay the Bilewater boss is getting me hard stuck with the masterful strategy of boring me to death.

Whoever on Team Cherry gave the fat poison mosquitoes random spawn locations and put them in vertical jumping sections is a special kind of evil.

Oh, and on a gauntlet into boss runback, no less!

Underleveled posted...

I feel like everybody says this after every Direct. At this point I have no idea what it would take for a Direct to get a GOOD reception.

The Bananza announcement

If you had told me yesterday I'd have reason to talk about the Virtual Boy with people born in the 2000s I would not have believed you.

Also, since they didn't do it today, I don't think they'll do a Mario Maker 3 in the foreseeable future.

Which is crazy, because that's easy money.

MacArrowny posted...

is this about DRV3

I know you're joking but they leave what's actually true pretty vague at the end.

paulg235 posted...

The game isn't Switch exclusive. It's coming to Steam, too.

Oh, well then maybe

Anagram posted...

Danganronpa 2x2 eh

Well, I'll buy it, even though it'll surely be another six cases of Nagito, since he's the most popular character.

Isn't it literally just one new case? Or was I misinterpreting that.

Either way I don't give a shit about new, inevitably non-canon stuff for Danganronpa 2. And I don't think even they would hide a sequel in a remake that's Switch exclusive.

The dancing pair or was there another?

MacArrowny posted...

You can see completion percentage in Silksong. I think you have to finish act 3 first.

Well okay then. I shouldn't be surprised.

Hey, so you know how in HK there is that thing you read outside the final boss that finally shows completion percentage? Did I just miss the equivalent here?

Also just pogo off stuff (besides enemies) when you're right next to it. The margin for error is generous when you do it that way.

Beat the game without finding any sort of double jump. Didn't see that coming.

I mean I guess that's technically possible in HK? But there I did all the stuff for the good ending before I even realized it's optional.

pjbasis posted...

there were hard bosses in elden ring?

The point was about the Limgrave Tree Sentinel, or getting out of Caelid. Stuff like that.

WazzupGenius00 posted...

It doesn't really bother me either way, but is there any actual mechanical distinction between hits that do two damage and hits that combo twice for one damage each?

Haven't found one. Even at one health or does both combo hits so that tells me that it's probably completely set no matter what.

Most of the similarities to Dark Souls are not specifically gameplay similarities, though. Besides the corpse run what does it really have in that department? I refuse to just call any sufficiently hard game a Soulslike.

But if the Soulslike is a setting and an aesthetic, then you would toss out most of what I would call a Soulslike.

In the end, I don't care too much here. Just don't call shit like Silent Hill a Soulslike.

Xiahou_Shake posted...

and have to pick it up.

Incorrect, btw. Sekiro has no corpse run. You lose half your cash and XP to the next level, with a small chance for that to spontaneously not happen.

Xiahou_Shake posted...

How do you figure this is a Soulslike, it's not even an ARPG. Heck, there's no stats or stamina, either. There are "builds"... kind of, but certainly not of the sort nor the extent I would associate with that genre.

I mean you're right but I grow weary of this discourse so I've been ignoring it. That said there are clear parallels with Dark Souls in other ways so it's not like when they ask the devs of any upcoming game (most recently Silent Hill F) with a dodge if it's a Soulslike.

pyresword posted...

The thing about Sister Splinter is the actual bosses attacks are very easy to avoid once you know what they are, but as soon as you add other independent enemies and have to track both of them it becomes harder.

Oh i may have been confusing that fight with Fourth Chorus. I was not thinking that was an add fight.

In that case I understand that one better.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/98a75c6b.jpg

I tend not to remember all the boss names so I thought I hadn't fought the bosses they were nerfing. Then I heard they were early so I looked them up.

Really? Those two?

I mean if we're ignoring stuff like Moss Mother, maybe.

KamikazePotato posted...

Game is bringing back some discussions we haven't seen since Elden Ring.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b8799e5c.jpg

I like Pat but you can't just drop a quote from him like it's something a regular person said.

Or, rather, like it's someone not ready to say the most deranged take you've ever heard on a semi-regular basis.

htaeD posted...

Game
dont tell me that I need a key to progress after you made me go through a covershooter segment and two difficult pogo jumps

Yeah that's one thing I won't be doing earlier than the game wants on replay. One thing I do miss about early game Hollow Knight is all the early pogo skips that paid off.

OK I somehow missed it at first but but I'm digging the Reaper moveset. Bonus for it's Tool configuration not being ass.

Little confused about the "reap additional Silk from enemies" thing though. That just doesn't seem to be true at all?

Edit: Oh, I get it now. Reap was literal, but only after healing.

Edit 2: Wait, it's on hit too? No idea why it wasn't working earlier.

Legit though, the Rosary situation would be better if enemies that normally drop them still did in enemy rushes and boss fights. At least the first time they die.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

psst...attack the gear after you enter the room

there is actually some light bug class commentary in the game though lmao. free my man big spider horse bug

Okay that's funny AND I'm mad now.

*pay 30 Rosaries to get into shop*

*still have to pay 30 Rosaries to come back*

This game is clearly a manifesto on late-stage capitalism.

Or the state of the Catholic Church pre-Reformation. Either way.

8/10

The most standard battle system of the Xenosaga games puts it firmly worse than 1 and better than 2 in that aspect.

Plot wise, it had to wrap this hot mess sooner than they originally wanted. I know some people hate it, but in that lens I think it actually did a pretty admirable job.

I'm noticing a pattern for me in boss fights:

No adds: 1-5 tries
Has adds: 10-30 tries

Bossman_Coolguy posted...

Well I don't know where to go and I have nothing but a jump and slash and I feel a bit sad

You do have to get past club guy if you never did that.

Raka_Putra posted...

Is it harder than Cuphead

Probably not. Although there's something about being (mostly) just bosses that removes all tension for losing.

So is anyone playing with the reward from the boss of Hunter's Mark? Cause, uh, that feels weird to use!

Attention span is not so much an issue, except for the general problem of picking where to go in a Metroidvania at some point.

I am supremely confident that someone could beat Hollow Knight as their very first video game period with even a moderate amount of patience. So if that's what's holding you back, don't let it.

azuarc posted...

Don't get me started on parrying. Parries turned Clair Obscur from an amazing experience into a frustrating grind.

Not to say you have to like E33, but grinding in RPGs typically means forcing you to level so that's odd phrasing because it has the opposite effect.

catesdb posted...

y'all who are saying hollow knight isn't hard -- what games are hard?

Boss-wise, you do have to leave the Metroidvania genre entirely, but if you want to compare it to Soulslikes then yeah it's actually mostly pretty easy compared to those. Especially when we toss out everything pre-Bloodborne. Also the entire hack-n-slash/character action genre.

For platforming? I struggle to think of any 2D platforming that isn't harder on average. The difference between this and Silksong on that front is tremendous. And then even Path of Pain is like, maybe a mid-game Celeste B-Side if I'm being generous.

azuarc posted...

Hollow Knight is not an "easy game." It has a reputation for being a "hard game," and it's also not that.

Meant to say this earlier:

To be clear, I mostly fully agree with this when I say HK is not that hard. The exception is that everything up to the shield guys before Hornet 1 are a cakewalk.

azuarc posted...

And when would that have been?

The dash is also a sprint, and it tells you that.

Kenri posted...

HK is definitely much harder than the average game of its genre, even outside the bonus content. Whether that makes it actually hard or not in any objective sense, who knows.

Oh I don't think this is necessarily wrong either, although mostly for bosses.

Dels posted...

Like, to things *other* than that one section we've been discussing? Because outside of that it has felt quite straightforward (most enemies just slowly crawl/walk at you and don't have fancy patterns). But I'm not very far, I went one or two areas past that part for now. I'm not at the mid-game that's been described as brutal.

Because, again, HK just isn't that hard outside of a few bosses, but some people have memory-holed the whole game as fighting NKG.

And don't get me started on Path of Pain.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

edit: I guess the quote I was seeing was from an old interview so very possible that changed!

Yeah, I think they changed their minds a lot about what they were doing with Silksong.

To put it another way, they made Hollow Knight like it might be someone's first video game. With Silksong they did not.

https://x.com/h_wallacepires/status/1963958435487088678

I feel like they're going to add some benches down the road. At least I hope they do that instead of outright nerfing stuff.

WazzupGenius00 posted...

You dont need the dash for that anyway though it would help. Just stay above him as much as possible

That got me killed when he jumped, personally.

But also there is often a difference between what the game wants you to have and what it needs you to have. Sort of the thing with this genre after all.

MZero posted...

As for the latter, I did think of that but I was too stubborn to give up lol

Same

That said if you learn the tell on his swing you can just assume everything else is the jump and have enough time to adjust if you're wrong.

MZero posted...

I got spanked by that boss that shoots goop from the ceiling and the guy guarding Hunter's March but I probably could have come back later and made it easier on myself since I had basically no upgrades yet

Yeah, while I beat him without it, the latter blatantly wants you to think "go get a dash first", and what do you know if you go the other way you totally do.

As for goop guy, I don't think that's technically a boss. You can just walk through the room using cover. Probably killable but you don't have to and it doesn't seem meant to be practical without some upgrade to make it so.

This is definitely harder than HK pre-Hornet 1 right away at least.

But honestly HK was never that hard outside of a few bosses. Platforming especially was largely trivial, and so far that's maybe less the case here.