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BlockWatcher posted...

You cant comply your way out of tyranny.

You can't resolve the biggest public health crisis in a century by refusing to comply with every countermeasure that has any hope of working.

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BEERandWEED posted...

No.

Such a robust, convincing argument you've put forth. Truly, none who read this topic will have any reason to believe anything other than your position, as you have so thoroughly and comprehensively defended it as to leave no doubt that you and you alone have sided with the ultimate truth.

Or, you know, you could look at your failure to do anything whatsoever to defend your position and start seriously asking yourself if a position you can't do anything to defend is actually one you should be holding. I'll give you a hint: No.

Clench281 posted...

if they actually approached the vaccine from a logical, data-driven point of view, they would already support it

At this point you're not going to convert anyone with reason or data, because if that worked they wouldn't be vaccine hesitant in the first place

That's mostly why I'm shifting to push the "it has actually been two years now" line of reasoning. Obviously, they aren't going to be convinced that the rushed development process didn't cut any corners, but now that we're at a point where we can definitively say it's been about as long as it normally would since development started, that's a moot point. Now, it's a matter of convincing them that they can actually let go of the fear they've been clinging to for the past year, which is still challenging, but not impossible with a different approach.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Hell, a friend of mine who had it has said since that there were multiple times during its progression that he was utterly convinced that he was going to die because the symptoms were so bad and he was having so much trouble just breathing. And he was in his mid-40s with no other preexisting health or medical issues. And he's had a few related problems since then, months after his initial infection.

What really drove it home for me was a coworker mentioning that he had a friend that was one of the ICU cases around here (coworker's mid-40's, guessing his friend is the same) and he was learning how to walk again. People love to toss around the "99% survival rate" thing (saying nothing of how deliberately misleading it is to frame it as a 99% survival rate instead of a 1% mortality rate, nor how outright false that number is), but acting like death is the only possible negative outcome from being infected is really terribly stupid.

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MagicalPrincess posted...

And all 400 of them can sue if fired since it's completely unconstitutional and illegal to force anyone to put anything in their body.

Vaccines have been conditions of employment for certain jobs for pretty much as long as vaccines have been a thing. Nobody's being forced to put anything into their bodies, they're just not allowed to work in positions where refusing to do so will endanger others.

hungrymike posted...

The vaccine was literally rushed into production at warp speed

What corners are you concerned have been cut? All stages of the necessary clinical trials were completed as usual. The fact that they were rolled out so quickly was a matter of completing those steps in parallel instead of in sequence (saves about 4-6 months), production facilities being constructed as soon as candidates looked promising instead of waiting for final approval (saves 6-12 months), and not having to wait in line for approval or search particularly hard to find trial volunteers and initial funding (varies, but I could believe that saved another 6 months). The science supporting their safety is all there. If it weren't, none of these vaccines would have made it to market.

Furthermore, development on the mRNA vaccines in particular (since all they needed to get started was the sequenced genome) started in early January 2020. It's now October 2021. Typical vaccine development time is about 2 years, and we're currently at the 1.83 mark. We're now pretty close to a time frame that would be considered "normal," with literally billions of doses given and carefully scrutinized, so even if you were concerned about how new they were back in February/March, that's not really a relevant concern anymore. You've been saying "there hasn't been enough time since development started" for so long that there has now actually been a normal amount of time.

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BEERandWEED posted...

You're also assuming they are going to contract covid while in recovery, which is highly unlikely.

Why would that be highly unlikely? She's going to be immunocompromised for the rest of her life. The dosage is typically lowed after 6-12 months, once the greatest risk of rejection has passed, but she will need to keep taking immunosuppressing drugs to keep the transplanted organ stable. This is not a matter of her being immunosuppresed after a couple weeks in a protected hospital environment where she is unlikely to be exposed to Covid, this is forever. She'll be going out into the world and living her life, and because she's both unvaccinated and severely immunocompromised, there's a very high chance that Covid will kill her.

BEERandWEED posted...

In this story, the donor volunteered and is a match and is willing to accept to the risk to give this woman her kidney. There is no need to bring up other people who need a kidney.

That doesn't mean the doctors are going to be willing to impose the associated risks (the donor must also be immunosuppressed prior to the donation, to say nothing of the normal risks of donation) when there's a considerable chance that there will be no long-term benefit.

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wwinterj25 posted...

How is this game for the single player?

It's entertaining enough. It's very much a game that's designed for multiplayer, so you won't get nearly as much longevity out of it if you aren't interested in playing with other people (whether in person or online), but I'd say it's still worthwhile if you just want to work through the story and other single-player modes, or play against bots.

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Clench281 posted...

That isn't the same security though. That's reusing passwords. If any of my individual random website passwords are leaked, no others are compromised.

If 2FA means nobody will get into that one basket, though, doesn't it also mean nobody can get into any of the smaller baskets?

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BEERandWEED posted...

There is no guarantee that a covid vaccine would save her from dying from covid-related complications, just like there is no guarantee the transplant will save her but we do know not getting the transplant will kill her.

There's no guarantee that waiting for a green light will save you from being t-boned as you drive through an intersection. There are very few guarantees in life. That doesn't mean we can't sensibly manage risks. Being vaccinated improves her prognosis by enough to justify moving forward with the transplant. Being unvaccinated hurts her prognosis enough to justify allocating those resources to somebody that's more likely to survive and take advantage of their transplant.

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silvergokuZ posted...

It was genuine curiosity and it was taken as anti vax because it didn't line up with a certain mindset.

It's not so much that it didn't line up with a certain mindset as that it does line up with a specific line of reasoning that Covid deniers have been fond of using to diminish the severity of the pandemic, closely enough that it's pretty reasonable to assume that that's what you were trying to do. For what it's worth, I believe you when you say that you're just curious, but I think you need to recognize that the specific way in which you phrased it pushed the buttons of people that have been dealing with Covid deniers saying that exact phrase for nearly two years, including some that have seen people they care about die because of that denial and carelessness. By and large, that's not a question you can ask without upsetting people, and that's got nothing to do with only being allowed to say "approved" things or persecuting dissenters or anything like that. That's got everything to do with how utterly sick people are of working their asses off to contain this thing, only to have those efforts undone by entitled jackasses that don't want to believe there's a problem. People are mad at those jackasses, and people are going to default to being mad at anyone that seems to be acting like one of those jackasses, so try to be aware of when you're doing so.

To answer your question, if Covid is listed as a cause of death, it is accurate to say that the person died of Covid. That's likely not the only factor, given that Covid has a tendency to make people vulnerable to secondary infections and/or cause diseases that can be identified discretely (such as pneumonia), but you can trust that people that are said to have died of Covid are genuine examples of Covid causing deaths that would not have happened otherwise. There's really no value in laypeople considering further nuance than that; the bottom line is that Covid is dangerous and countermeasures are necessary, and the details of the relevant statistics aren't going to change that in any meaningful way.

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MeteoricBurst posted...

The vast majority of people that commit these terrible acts are not mentally ill.

Eh, that's debatable. Arguably, because of how we define mental disorders (a mental state that causes harm or distress to the person or those around them), everybody that commits a crime is mentally ill in some capacity. It doesn't necessarily qualify as a formal mental disorder, nor are we necessarily capable of effectively treating it, but it is some form of poor mental health, which could hypothetically some day be cured.

Heck, for that matter, with more focus on rehabilitation than punishment, a lot of the problems could actually be solved right now by treating them instead of acting like mental illness is just an excuse. ADHD, for example, is massively overrepresented in prisons (4% in general population, 26% in prisons). This likely has a lot to do with the fact that ADHD significantly impairs one's impulse control, the criminal implications of which should be obvious. Treat the ADHD effectively, and you're left with a person who can better control whatever impulses led them to jail in the first place.

MeteoricBurst posted...

The legal system abuses it for obvious reasons.

Sadly, that is true. The justice system, health care system, and public all tend to see insanity pleas as ways to get out of being punished, rather than a genuine effort to solve the root problems and return somebody to society as a healthy, functional person that is no longer a threat. That's kind of a problem.

MeteoricBurst posted...

Most mentally disturbed people (even seriously so) are actually non violent.

This is also very true, but is not in any way mutually exclusive of saying that the majority of violent people/criminals are mentally ill. Those statements can both be (and are) true.

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I'm not really sure why a jury is even needed here. Either he's a lucid mass murderer, in which case he's such a danger to society that he shouldn't ever be released, or he's mentally ill, in which case he should be isolated from society until that illness can be treated and he's no longer a threat. A jury of laypersons is not qualified to make that call at any step of that process.

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With modern meat inspection, most of the risk of bacterial infection from raw meat is a consequence of processing and storage, rather than anything inherent in the meat. If you're eating it fresh and making sure you're using clean tools, it's probably going to be fine (though the notion that heating bacteria mutates them into being dangerous is just nonsense).

That said, dude sounds more than a little crazy.

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OhhhJa posted...

But that argument doesn't work if you're sentencing someone to die to keep them safe

It's not uncommon to refuse to perform transplant surgeries on people with poor post-transplant prognoses. Transplants are incredibly resource-intensive procedures, even beyond the actual organ itself, and spending those resources on somebody that stands a high chance of not surviving for long enough to actually use the organ is a waste. Refusing the vaccine while also taking immunosuppressing drugs very much qualifies as taking an unnecessary risk with those resources.

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OhhhJa posted...

What part of negative covid test did you not comprehend?

A negative Covid test doesn't protect her before and after the transplant. I don't really care about whether or not she's negative on the table, I care about putting her and the donor in extreme danger by immunosuppressing them while they're unvaccinated during a pandemic.

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Sahuagin posted...

(I suppose you could say that since demand is maximized and 100% of items are being sold regardless of price, then the price should be higher. but the strategy would apply to final sales totals, not short-term, and demand is only maxed out temporarily.)

That's what he's getting at: If 100% of your stock is selling, that generally means you can increase the price without losing sales. You'll eventually hit a point where less than 100% sells, at which point you've overpriced it, but until that point is reached, you can go higher.

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OhhhJa posted...

Why would you be at risk of getting covid mid surgery? Lol

How quickly do you think immunosuppressing drugs act?

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Easy solution to this conundrum, porn games.

My thoughts exactly.

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Clench281 posted...

Password manager with 2FA

It might be one basket but it's a basket no one will get into

(On top of 2FA for individual accounts themselves)

If that's your approach, couldn't you just use one password for everything and 2FA the individual accounts and get the same security without the added step of the password manager?

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Full Throttle posted...

The women say the RISKS of getting covid or even dying from covid does not bother them because they know God will tell them if they shall live to see another day or come to his kingdom.

So I guess she won't mind dying of kidney failure.

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Lokarin posted...

It's not about offering a service...

Exactly. It's about charging a premium despite not offering a service.

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Usually because they're somewhat inclined to do it themselves (but haven't yet, for whatever reason) and find it easier to defend the practice than to come to terms with how much of an opportunistic dink that makes them.

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Apparently I don't actually remember my Twitch password, so that's fun.

Far-Queue posted...

Me too. Certain passwords like my banking passwords I use a unique, complex password for, but for s*** like gamefaqs or social media I just use something I can remember, and I'm waaaaay more lax about changing them up

Pretty much. I'll tend to use unique, stronger passwords for higher-profile sites that are more likely to get hacked and/or stuff that really needs protection, but I've got a default one for stuff that doesn't matter as much that I reuse frequently.

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OhhhJa posted...

I'm fully vaccinated with pfizer but I can still acknowledge that they are a shady company.

Really, this is fine. Pharmaceutical companies (most big companies, really), by and large, are indeed terrible. Using that to justify categorically distrusting everything they do, however, isn't reasonable, and that becomes a major problem when such fearmongering is used to undermine the best chance we have of solving the greatest public health crisis in a century (as is the case with that image).

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Collat posted...

Even though spouting conspiracy theories has nothing to do with autism.

That's debatable, actually. A common symptom of autism is having difficulty moving beyond first impressions (especially ones that they attach a stronger emotional response to), leading to an unusual amount of particularly stubborn confirmation bias. That means some autistic people are particularly attracted to conspiracy theories that they hear before they learn information that would debunk the theories, and tend to be difficult to dissuade of them once they've accepted them.

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OhhhJa posted...

They've known about it for years and yet only recently pulled it from shelves

And it's still only one of thousands of products they offer. It highlights the need for scrutiny and oversight, absolutely, but you can exercise that scrutiny without categorically distrusting everything they do.

ReturnOfFa posted...

If that's your metric for not trusting anything, you're going to have an extremely difficult time eating any food whatsoever.

This is the hypocrisy I see. The lack of trust is completely selective and only informed by the information that has broken through on media, as opposed to being based on a rational and informed viewpoint.

More than that, information that's broken through in the media that you've already decided you're going to agree with. It's an alarmist reaction to legitimate problems that have been taken out of context for the purposes of fearmongering. Nobody's saying that they aren't legitimate problems, just that previous convictions of fraud for the company shouldn't make you afraid of one of the most heavily scrutinized products in medical history. You don't have to blindly trust them: the data is available and has been reviewed by countless agencies that have plenty of incentive to call Pfizer (or whoever) out if their vaccine is actually harmful.

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Shortly before the election, the Green Party basically fell apart because they couldn't make up their mind whether they wanted to be right-wing or left-wing. What was left was heavily skewed toward the conservative side of things, but with the Conservative Party and PPC already taking those votes and the Green party's reputation for environmentalism (which is not a popular position among right-wing voters, especially given the extent to which Alberta dominates the Canadian conservative vote while relying heavily on very environmentally unsound oil), they fell completely flat. I'm not sure what to expect from the Greens moving forward, but if the leader is resigning over their dismal showing, it probably won't be this.

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OhhhJa posted...

I think the major lawsuits referenced by that post are within the last couple decades though

They are, but in many cases, they're based on things that have happened throughout their history but have only come to light in recent years. Asbestos in baby powder, for example is not a new decision. It's a very old decision whose impact (and subsequent lawsuits over that impact) has only been noticed relatively recently. That doesn't excuse it, certainly, and it's absolutely true that these companies have gone to considerable lengths to keep such issues from coming to light and/or deny responsibility for them, but it's not like they've made all of these shady decisions recently, nor are they representative of the safety of their many other products. It's a long-standing issue, and representing it witout a time scale like that misrepresents its intensity.

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Having a half-hour time zone in the middle is indeed kind of odd. Canada's got one on either end (Newfoundland and Yukon time), but those are extremes, not the middle. I guess that's just how the borders here line up, since they're generally going to use existing borders rather than have time zone transitions running through the middle of the state.

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Blighboy posted...

But stitched back together. Perhaps the doctor took an uncut schlong from one corpse and a foreskin from another corpse and attached them to one another.

Arguably, that still counts as "cut."

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OhhhJa posted...

Well, I guess I was mainly referring to the info on the other 3 companies since nobody in my country gets the astrazeneca vax anyway. But yeah, there's not really much risk for any of them

The other three are also really vague about the exact risk factors they're citing (which, again, is common to fearmongering propaganda). If nothing else, a time/market scale is important for all three claims: Pfizer has been around for over 150 years and released countless products in that time frame (meaning those fines represent a pretty small minority of their products). Moderna has been around for just 11 years and trying to enter a pretty crowded market with novel technology that really hasn't had a chance to shine before now (such that pulling one off so early in their life is actually pretty good). J&J has been around for over 120 years and also released countless products (so their lawsuits are, again, associated with a small minority of their products).

That's not to say scrutiny is unwarranted, but taking those figures out of context like that is a blatant effort to make them seem scarier than they are. It's also really a variant of ad hominem: attacking the companies behind the vaccines in the absence of the author's ability to form plausible criticisms of the vaccines themselves. There are plenty of data and publications available on these vaccines that can be scrutinized if somebody doesn't trust them and wants to see results and evaluate methodologies for themselves. Attacking the companies instead of doing that is just lazy and suggests a considerable lack of confidence in one's position.

BEERandWEED posted...

Trusting shady companies seems unwise.

That really depends what the alternative is. It also depends a lot on the context, particularly how easily you can verify whatever they're claiming and what evidence exists that might suggest that they're lying. Don't blindly trust them, certainly, but also don't blindly assume that everything they say is a lie. Neither is a good idea.

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Never. "Some" means society will fail to reach the goal if any number of cishet white men don't know, and that's guaranteed. Whatever cultural shifts happen, there will always be people that just don't get any given social norm.

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It can be, but you're going to be somewhat limited in where you live. It's definitely much easier to afford if you're living with somebody.

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I mean, most glaringly, it leaves out that you're two orders of magnitude less likely to develop the AZ blood clot side effect at all - let alone die from them - than you are to die of Covid simply by being a US citizen (~0.001% chance of blood clots, ~0.21% of the US population has been killed). Leaving out quantitative data when stating a risk is a pretty common fearmongering strategy.

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Smiffwilm posted...

Fyi, that's a sign you should do it.

FTFY. No standards, no hesitation, no mercy.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

oh golly, lots of missing information in that one :)

Whaaat? Anti-vaxxers spreading incomplete, misleading, and outright incorrect information without context in an effort to support their position? That can't be right...

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silvergokuZ posted...

And the reason for the 2nd question is hard to word but because people generally do just blame covid and not anything else.

They really don't. There's a lot of "he died in a car crash but they called it a covid death because they discovered he was covid positive post-mortem!" going around, but that doesn't actually happen on any meaningful scale. If Covid is listed as a cause of death for somebody, it's overwhelmingly because there's good reason to believe Covid was a factor in their death.

wwinterj25 posted...

Still I do understand that some deaths are put down as COVID when it's the underlining issues the person had before that killed them

If I stab a hemophiliac and they bleed to death, I'm going to be guilty of murdering them even though they'd likely have survived if not for their hemophilia. Being able to say that somebody would likely have survived their Covid infection if not for some other comorbidity does not in any way mean Covid was not a factor in their death, nor that it shouldn't be cited as one of their causes of death.

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Ogurisama posted...

Are you suggesting Paige should use a cactus as a toy?

Anything is possible.

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Blighboy posted...

Do you think Frankenstein went with a cut or uncut schlong

Every other part of him was cut. I see no reason why his dingler would be any different.

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likehelly posted...

do not use peanut butter as lube

Not with that attitude you won't.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

How would that work in the desert on a slow moving 4 legged robot even if you found a board big enough?

Awesomely.

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I wouldn't say so, because the "disease" is just your body's reaction to it, not anything created by the pathogen itself. If you're allergic to peanuts and somebody tries using peanut butter as lube during sexytime with you, your subsequent reaction wouldn't be considered an STD. The disease is triggered by something sexually transmitted, but it is not itself transmitted sexually.

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Lokarin posted...

How can Waluigi be in the game... he's the one playing with the action figures!

Deus ex ludus.

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Ogurisama posted...

Dragon Ball was the biggest anime/manga in the late 80s and 90s, even in Japan.
Yes One Piece would be bigger now, but I dont think over all One Piece has hit Dragon Ball peak

The question, then, would be whether they'd go for historical significance or contemporary pop culture relevance. I could see it going either way, actually. Smash routinely dips into both pots.

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The size matters less than the built-in electrostim ability.

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My first inclination is to say gameplay, but I recognize that the visuals and music in trailers and other promotional materials do a lot to subconsciously influence my decisions. I'm still not going to buy something whose fundamental gameplay concept I don't like, but dressing up something in which I'm already interested with appealing art and music is going to help convince me to take the plunge (and, conversely, unappealing visuals/music will discourage it).

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Ogurisama posted...

When Waluigi was announced, oh wait

Given the heated arguments I've seen over Waluigi's inclusion, I can say with complete certainty that the Smash board would not be quiet if he were announced.

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OhhhJa posted...

This is a gross misunderstanding. Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J have made billions from the vaccines

While true, it's not inaccurate to characterize them as being free. Vaccine doses have already been purchased for these patients, and in (far too) many cases actually end up spoiling when local demand doesn't end up meeting supply. Any given individual choosing not to get the vaccine is not actually a financial hit for the company behind it. Meanwhile, any given individual choosing to purchase a different medication instead of using the vaccine that's already been purchased for them is actively funding Big Pharma. The pharmaceutical industry wins either way, and in fact probably prefers this outcome.

hungrymike posted...

While money is an issue, I think the horse paste crowds bigger concern is taking an experimental vaccine vs a drug that has been around 40 years.

And yet they don't seem to understand that using a drug for a novel issue for which is has not been adequately tested is also an experimental treatment.

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SilentSeph posted...

There are times when the Smash board isn't in full melt down?

Presuming it hasn't changed since my days of hanging around the Brawl board, there's usually a short, relatively quiet period between the hype and controversy around one major announcement dying down and the anger and impatience picking up once it's been too long without one (which then turns into inflamed speculation and argument about what it will be once the announcement is announced, then the cycle begins anew). The fact that this one can be patched may change that, though, since that means ongoing balance arguments will never reach a conclusion.

EvilMegas posted...

"I can't believe this popular character got in before my super obscure guy from the 90s" the smash board

Really, the fact that Sakurai put Sora in over Glover is a travesty.

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JoanOfArcade posted...

The Smash board is in full melt down about this "anime swordsman weeb trash" do they think everything Japanese is weeb or something? Like KH is pretty surface level

Realistically, no matter who was selected, the Smash board was going to explode over it and criticize everything they could possibly come up with. Pretty much anything JRPG-related is going to be called "weeb trash" by butthurt fanboys that didn't get what they wanted.

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Even with that source, the overarching theme is "people are surprised by these extra costs because they don't get home inspections done before buying." So... get a home inspection so you aren't surprised by extra costs and can either budget for them or adjust your offer accordingly.

Also, as I said, that figure is including elective projects, like painting and redoing floors. That's not a need, that's a want. People that can't comfortably afford those projects can put them off.

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