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No

I feel like Donkey Kong and Cranky Kong are the only ones I might say yes to. The rest are just a buncha who cares.

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Best Terran

They have the most fun units out the three. I've done things like nuke rush, mass science vessels and mass firebats. No they don't usually work but it just has a lot of options for fun.

Worst Zerg

I just find they have the least interrsting units overall-- I love all 3 races though really

Q1. Do you like RTS games? Yes
Q2. What's your favorite RTS game? Warcraft 3 TFT
Q3. Did you ever play Dune II? No
Q4. Are you excited about the new Dune movie? Not really but I'll probably see it
Q5. Did you ever play against a Korean in a Starcraft match? Several times I'm sure I played a lot of multi-player back in the day. Couldn't say I remember any incidents though.

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I've never seen Nidhogg do anything since swapping my team composition. Don't need any tricasts to kill him before The Scarlet Price every time.

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Eh boss attacks would be offset by the slower charge rates since overall the goal is real time speed not turn speed. Most bosses have fairly quick animations on the whole. The idea of auto running at speed 1 while trying to keep real time efficiency high is ridiculous. Speed 3 might be okay but I feel even that one likely loses overall speed.

Side note I did a run with Yuna using The Sending and while I was at no risk of dying the average times were actually worse I think. Basically the reason bring that two The Sending animations on double speed arent actually taking significantly longer than Glint + For The Calm, and their damage isn't always higher either (really only when Yuna is at 9+ fatigue). What's more is Yuna gets turn 3 quicker with Glint + AASB and hits really hard on her turn 3 as she's got break damage limit twincast and summon math so tankier foes like Alexander who can survive three Minwu/Rem turns fold significantly faster.

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My last phone (LG G5) lagged on record keeper a bit

Galaxy s20 has never had a bit of lag. The game isn't well optimized for Android but the phone squashes its spec requirements.

I dont think lag actually screws with turn orders anyway. Usually presents in like soul breaks slowing the game down

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Also turn 3 should basically be a dead heat. Like my experience has been

Turn 1 Minwu slightly faster
Turn 2 exactly even, maybe one or the other is slightly faster but the turn order is always identical
Turn 3 Rem slightly faster, but basically the same instant (it's Rem winning tiebreaker vs Yuna's turn and Minwu losing it but they're all doing a full charged attack at the same time)

is Alph the turn just after Wodin in your testing? How many turns are inserting between Rem 3 and Alph 3

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The reason I'm hasting Alexander out is so I have the right characters doing the right things since I don't want to manually enter in turns as gaining a few seconds in clear speed isn't worth spending way more than that paying attention to the game since I'd have to sit through the load screen and a few animations. Has nothing to do with wanting him out faster has everything to do with burning turns on less valuable characters.

And my phone performs better than bluestacks having used bluestacks on a fairly high end gaming PC before (my phone is a Galaxy S20 so also fairly high end). But frankly your take on how many ticks are lost to speed 5 is pretty much at odds with everything I've read from people on this game-- it's why no one uses wait mode on high end content. You lose a ton of efficiency in chain duration and ATB speed boosts.

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Yuna uses summoning which isn't gimped by fatigue really. I could just have her start by spamming The Sending but I'm not sure if that makes me die on some bosses-- may try it but I'm clearing really fast now so not a huge drive to.

I'd just say run your team with speed 5 on full auto, put your rank 7 Awakening in Rem's slot, compare turn progression on each, and be in awe of how little Rem's fast atb speed actually matters in full auto. Yes it makes her faster but it makes her fractional ticks faster and it takes several turns for those fractional ticks to actually net her actions. Like I'm posting turn order and measuring clear times. Like you talk about about "If I get an extra cast I kill such and such before they get a turn" now imagine you get extra casts twice as often

Also realize that I am getting out the initial summon out faster due to haste rm which probably shaves off a few turns in my turn order from the summon follow up due to squeaking it out a second faster.

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Dude I'm posting the turn orders

You're saying I'm the one making a big deal and I'm just saying "these are the observations"

Like you can probably straight math it out but I think you just wanna say "nah bro Rem is the best" and try to like twist out the variables with data that isn't identical and claim I'm lying.

Like I'm just running auto with Rem and Minwu and telling you what happens. 2.0x ATB doesn't matter as much as you think it does with CTs in the mix-- particularly at Speed 5 where input buffering eats a lot of that. You can literally see the only difference by Rem turn 3 is that Yuna goes (very small fraction of a turn) before Minwu and after Rem. I honestly feel like you wouldn't really feel the difference till turn 5

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SpikeSetsFire posted...

Q1. Is this the best Metroid game?
Q2. Have you ever attempted a speed run of this game?
Q3. Do you save the animals in your playthrough?

Yes
Yes, though only to beat in Sub 3 Hours not like serious speed running (and succeeded)
Yes unless I'm speed running

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Best Draygon

Love the grapple beam gimmick-- I'll always have fond memories as my first clear of this guy I somehow thought to (or accidentally did it via mashing I honestly don't remember this was 25 years ago+) do the grapple beam thing without a guide. And it mattered cause man I had been hanging my head against him lots.

Worst Botwoon

Just boring to fight. Takes longer since he should too.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...

It's not just that, it's Wodin too. Having him over a 5* magicite is going to give you a significant stat boost, and his holy seal and 65 mind gauntlet will boost damage as well. When I use Rem she does 7000 per hit with her sync entry on d350 fodder,

Well first of all you're using dated stuff-- now that I have Mog she does like 6000 on entry (Minwu does more too tho) and if she gets bumped up on damage so does Minwu

Second of all like the relevant facts are number of expected dualcasts, really, since most hits are capping, since they are taking their first 3 turns at roughly the same time as Rem's ATB Speed gets offset by Minwu's fast AASB cast. (It goes Minwu a bit before Rem, same time, Minwu a bit after Rem-- and by a bit I mean like, not by enough that the enemy gets anymore attacks, it's a very small margin on both ends). I mean people doing more damage and Odin 99999 followup is nice but that just skews the fights even shorter.

I mean I don't know why you're arguing this so hard. Just seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of game mechanics here. If 2x ATB isn't actually getting you more turns then it doesn't matter. And it doesn't until turn 4 (they're dead by turn 4)

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I meant Ghido autocorrect got me

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Guido

Get Sephiroth

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I'm not saying anything about you needing to use Minwu though?

Having a 6% more weakness damage wouldn't change that either. It's about number of turns over time and expected number of dualcasts over time

It's okay for one character with more resources devoted to it to be better than another higher ranked one that's why the game is good

No amount of foot stamping and tier waggling is going to change clear time reality for the stuff I have for each.

I'm sorry you're upset about this

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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...

Not from what I've tried with Minwu in my Orran/Iris auto team today

You don't have Holy VIII your data is invalid period I'm not sure why you don't read the dps stats I gave you

Then the level 8 Awakening lets him keep up with Rem until turn 3 so yeah

I'm just saying look at my turn progression look at the math, no reason to look at Rem with my loadout. Sorry you can't process because rank S

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I wouldn't expect anyone to anything because I have no idea what this even is so why would I know if it's regional or national or local or what

I'm just saying it's playing out like an anagram poll always does which is just great

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Side note I am deeply amused that the people anagram was listening to argue did not mention shredded or wheat

He was listening to people who naturally anagram'd his poll for him

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XIII_rocks posted...

Idk about everyone else but I used it to tell east from west

Yeah I did this with "east is right" but I guess that's not as catchy huh

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Paratroopa1 posted...

I have never needed to use a mnemonic to remember directions

MarkS222222222222222 posted...

I don't understand. What is this supposed to help you remember? Just the words North, South, East, and West?

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foolm0r0n posted...

Cuz cooking together is great regardless of skill, and also being around someone stronger should motivate you more, not less. It's not unusual ofc

I mean I help prepare things in the cooking process but I wouldn't consider that "cooking" despite helping in the process.

And cooking isn't a competition so no there's no reason I need to be the better cook. I mean I probably gain some skill in doing mundane things like mixing ingredients but that's not enough to boost me from "passable" to "good" which is the point of the topic.

I'll just continue to be varying degrees of passable and that's okay with me. The amount of things you become great at is limited-- time spent training is a resource.

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I am but only one can start with a soul break and Minwu seems the right pick there with AASB level 8

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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...

Orran has an IC3 LMR so he'll always go first with instant wall, Iris has a higher speed stat than Mog to use magicite so Mog, Rem and Fusoya can start their carnage. If you get imperils early Mog and Iris will cap/near cap with holyja (could be Dragonking weakness damage though) Also no Mog quickcast glint+? With Mog AASB1 + Allegro + glint+ the second turn for Fusoya, Rem and Iris will be near instant cast, letting Rem quickly get a third turn before magicite does a follow up.

Listen homie I know you have your heart set on me bending the knee and using Rem as primary DPS but I still know you're wrong here as Minwu and Rem take their first three turns at the same time due to quicker CT on Minwu AASB and fights are usually over before cast 3 in cap break (and a lot more often with Minwu at that-- double the chance to triple+ cast matters)

Because I haste into my magicite cast the follow up comes out faster anyway so not really interested in beating it popping out. It's plenty fast enough at this point. Been beating that dude you've been talking about beating before he gets an action before he gets an action too so yeah more optimization is going to have minimal returns

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Instacast wall is nice because that slot isn't wasting time casting wall-- I need to have two slots use Wall + Alexander for the pure auto to work and it can't be Mog and it can't be the main DPS and I think Yuna rushing into her AASB is the most useful other option (but I'm not sure-- AASB entry on her is trash when fatigued). The whole reason I have Fusoya with Haste RM is so he can use his instacast on that and I think it's the right decision.

What I'm not sure of is if his Dyad is still worth using without start Meter. Another bless might be better for the damage.

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So I tried changing my team to be closer to your theory of just blast as quickly as possible screw chain. I think it helped a lot with clear time.

I tried the following two setups

Mog (RM meter)
Rem (RM meter)
Fusoya (RM haste)
Minwu (RM haste)
Yuna (+30% weakness damage)

And then the same thing with Rem and Minwu swapped (Minwu using Awakening with meter, Rem in slot 4 with Haste). The results of both team comps were near identical, and the more important thing for speed was in the other edits (getting Hope out for Mog and blast blast). Here are the results.

Rem Sync

Fusoya - Fabula Guardian
Minwu - Alexander (VI)
Mog - Wind Rhapsody
Yuna - Yearning Prayer
Fusoya - Engage Arcane Dyad
Rem - Saintly Huntcraft
Mog - Holyja
Minwu - Holy VIII
Yuna - For the Calm
Rem - Dagger Dia
Alexander - Holy Luster
Fusoya - Bless
Mog - Holyja
Minwu - Holy VIII
Rem - Dagger Dia (usually ends here, have seen Holyja -> Sending be the end though)
Yuna - The Sending (Yuna finishes every enemy here aside from the boss. Running Rem without chain her lack of magia/etc made a big difference in her dps against tankier targets)
Fusoya - Bless
Mog - Holyja
Alexander - Holy Luster
Rem - Dagger Dia
Minwu - Holy VIII
Yuna - The Sending

Minwu Awakening

Fusoya - Fabula Guardian
Rem - Alexander (VI)
Mog - Wind Rhapsody
Minwu - Seal of Mysidia
Yuna - Yearning Prayer
Fusoya - Engage Arcane Dyad
Mog - Holyja
Rem - Siphon Sphere
Yuna - For the Calm
Minwu - Holy VIII
Alexander - Holy Luster
Fusoya - Bless (usually ends here)
Mog - Holyja
Rem - Siphon Sphere
Yuna - The Sending (Yuna finishes most every enemy with this)
Minwu - Holy VIII (Minwu super overkills if not-- did not see turns past this aside from the boss)
Fusoya - Bless
Mog - Holyja
Rem - Siphon Sphere
Alexander - Holy Luster
Yuna - The Sending
Minwu - Holy VIII

So basically I would say Minwu is very slightly better for my team currently. If I had Wodin and his 99999 follow-up it would be more decisive.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...

1 sync cast

If you're getting her to kill stuff with 1 sync cast you are misreporting your times because you should be killing enemies at much faster than 1:15.

I'm also not sure where your damage is actually coming from. What is your team composition let's see it.

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Listen dude you're just wrong here. I'm giving you the numbers. I'm giving you the team composition. I'm giving you the data I find when I do labyrinth. Rem having more weakness damage doesn't make all the difference in the world as she's generally not having trouble capping on my team. Minwu having much higher AASB entry damage is what matters. Minwu having more damage per turn matters, Minwu AASB CT being lower than Rem's Sync CT is what matters. The rest of my team likely contributing more damage when I'm not fielding Mog is what matters. What's more is you've provided your team's clear time and it's barely faster than mine despite my imperfect tools.

Rem's higher ATB speed simply isn't allowing her to gain more casts fast enough, so yes the advantage goes to the guy who is doing 45k more out of the gate with soul break entry and is doing +50k average on every turn. I don't need to fudge the numbers for this to be the case. I gave you what happens literally turn by turn-- because of Minwu's higher upfront damage means the enemy is usually literally dead before the third cast and Minwu gets 2 casts before Rem gets 3, and she needs 3 on my team-- and would need it even if she had weakness damage +500%.

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V > Bloodsport > IV > Pulp Fiction > III > VI > Rogue One > Up > VII > Solo > I > VIII > Starship Troopers > II

(haven't actually seen IX yet)

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You've emboldened me to bring up Bloodsport unironically in more discussions about great films with this daring take

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Doing Wodins takes time. Despite what my posting in here implies I'm busy with my new company and such.

That being said Holy Wodin is probably the easiest to do now that I have super slick Fusoya to go with my Rem and Minwu so I probably will give him a try soon.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I will say having just read this all you are being dumb because if you put in the work your rem would be better but you are arguing with imperfect tools. It's like yeah maybe your minwu does more, but that's a damming of your overall setup not the guy who has cleared all the content.

Well the difference that he's not seeing is that Rem is still better for content where you don't kill it in two turns. And that's why she's tiered so much higher. This use case matters little for tier lists, but it's one Minwu has an inherent advantage in due to his damage being more frontloaded.

I mean I've put in all the work I can put into Rem aside from giving her honing scrolls which isn't worth it so yeah it's not really that.

I use them both for magicite content so it's not really an either/or situation there

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Creating a team to autorun labyrinths efficiently and banging your head on a high level boss are totally different things to put effort into.

I don't care how good at the game he is or how much time he puts into beating bosses-- he is being dumb because he's claiming my team is faster by using Rem instead of Minwu when I have done both and the math and observations both support that Minwu would be faster and he's trying to say I'm lying when he's using a weaker Minwu than me (and probably a stronger Rem than I have)

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Here's why you're being dumb about this-- Minwu can't even have higher damage on a theoretical level with what you're giving him.

Minwu average damage per turn in awakening mode using Holyja is
19999x10 (199990)
+0.5x19999x5 (49997.5)
+0.25x19999x5 (24998.75)

274986.25 per turn

Rem average damage per turn in sync mode is
19999x12 (239988)
+0.35x19999x6 (41997.9)

281985.9 per turn

I'm comparing a fully dived Minwu vs a fully dived Rem, and Minwu clears faster with what I have in both.

You are not so your observations are meaningless to this discussion. You also don't have Minwu's Awakening at Rank 8 like I do. You probably also have Rem's Sync at level 2+. I only have it at level 1 because I don't want to devote a scroll of honing to it.

Like I can put Curaja on Rem's slot 1 and she'll do terrible damage too. That's not relevant to anything.

All I'm saying is with what I have, Minwu is better, so stop saying I'm picking him out of bias-- I have tried both. The math supports it and the observations support it-- Minwu clears around 5 turns quicker on average. They won't with you because you're not going to dump 7 honing scrolls into him and you're not going to give him Holy VIII. And that's fine! But I'm picking the strongest damage option for my team-- the reason Rem is higher tier in general tier lists is because of longer fights, not speedrunning labyrinth-- Minwu is actually pretty close to on par, possibly better than her for labyrinth. In this particular case, particularly when Minwu has more highly honed soul breaks, he clears faster. That's all there is to it.

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foolm0r0n posted...

That's sad af.

Why?

I mean I still cook from time to time but I'm not going to be cooking often enough to get better unless I insist on cooking a lot. Those are just the facts. I'm completely okay with it. You don't have to 50/50 all duties in a household.

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Random side note I don't actually have to disable auto for Lunasaurs because lightning physical and Fusoya Dyad2 + Minwu AASB entry kills one super fast

That's kinda cool

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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...

You've severely overrated him.

I'm saying Minwu with my resources is better than Rem with my resources. If you don't want to do Holy VIII and Cap his hits at 5 that is completely fine but that means you're not playing him at his potential-- his up front damage no longer has an edge over Rem If he's doing less hits.

I literally did full runs of labyrinth with both and have recorded clear times with both. And have compared them to yours and am fairly close despite lack of wodin.

I mean you can say I'm being biased but I'm the one with data and numbers-- you're the one just sticking your fingers in your ears and lalala tier listing lol

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Like here's a super dumbed down version of what I mean

Say Minwu hits for 3300 a turn after awakening activation
Say Rem hits for 2800 a turn after sync activation

In 3 turns Minwu has done 1500 more damage than Rem
If Rem hits 4 times in the same span

But what if the boss only has 6000 hp by the time awakening/sync begin? Then Minwu kills it in 2 turns and Rem kills it in 3. Minwu probably will get 2 turns before Rem gets 3 no matter what the cast speed is because her speed boost isn't potent enough to get her 3 turns to his 2.

Like I get what you're saying and in MOST use cases it makes sense but here's you're just not using logic and are blindly going for tier lists because her overall DPS is higher.

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lol. It doesn't work that way. Otherwise your clear times would be better. Your clear times using time figures you provided are like 10 seconds better tops.

Like you can only generate so many more Rem turns even if you gave Rem literal instacast on every action. The boss actually doesn't have enough HP. It dies before she generates more actions. You'd probably kill him faster with Minwu too if you had all the stuff I had for him.

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CasanovaZelos posted...

A message might be inferred by both, but that is done almost entirely through the camerawork.

I'm not saying the story needs to be spoonfed and amazing for a movie to be worthy of watching but framing and camera tricks can only do so much to salvage a steaming wreckage, particularly in the case of The Last Jedi where the story is actively bad and distracting.

Like I will say it can do a lot. I like the movie Silent Hill quite a bit (I'm the only one) and it's almost entirely due to how it's shot. The plot is a bunch of who cares but it just feels really creepy to me throughout, which is excellent.

But for the record would actually take a movie with "no narrative to speak of" over what TLJ is. Also outside of a few scenes I can't really say the cinematography salvages much of anything in it.

Ultimately it comes down to emotions, regardless of what evokes them, and watching TLJ I just feel dead inside. If the cinematography was good enough, that wouldn't be the case, and that's no fault of the camerawork, but the plot is just too heavy.

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Best - Super Macho Man

Probably the best design + difficulty combination in the game. His gimmicks don't slow down the fight either

Worst - Mad Clown

Dodging the clown balls is anti-fun, sucks the momentum out of the room.

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CasanovaZelos posted...

almost entirely through their cinematography

I think you're very wrong about that

Cinematography is a big part of what made them get the attention they did but the difference is you can't JUST have that and have a good movie. Film IS a visual medium but ultimately if the underlying story isn't there there is nothing to be the backbone of. I know you think I'm just being snarky but it actually is true-- you can have the most clever angle in your scene that adds a feeling of dread or whatever that you would have never thought of or expected, but if you don't care about the characters or story then what does it actually matter, really.

Also Cinematography to me doesn't particularly matter in a way that merits mention unless it evokes feelings that wouldn't normally occur in the scene without it-- again, I struggle to think of any scenes in TLJ where it's like "well now I have a feeling of ____ where it wouldn't have existed before"

And I dunno maybe this isn't a common opinion but think a lot of modern blockbusters do Cinematography well-- the reason it's not mentioned often is because so many of them do it well so it's not interesting to be a talking point aside from the ones that are more creative about it. I guess you're saying "well they have budget and are entirely spectacle and TLJ is exceptional" but then I'm not really seeing where it's done all that much in TLJ either aside from things just looking generally crisp and the shots not being distracting. (which for me is actually not something that can just be assumed for the record)

Like two scenes pop to me in terms of "wow that's an interesting shot"-- the hyperdrive scene (which I actually hate conceptually in a Star Wars sense but I digress) and then there are some parts of that battle in the throne room (which you can find people picking apart in terms of the fight choreography making sense which to me is picking nits at some level but on the other hand I somewhat agree)

But yeah maybe I'm just someone who doesn't "get it" too. Which is fine. But then it should be up to you to elaborate on what you mean rather than just say "the cinematography is excellent"

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greengravy294 posted...

Algus
Maybe early

Like 7 minutes early yes

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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...

It's not really about getting more turns between Minwu and Rem

If they take equal amounts of turns Minwu does 50k average damage extra per turn. Rem has to get a turn Minwu does not to do more damage than him otherwise Minwu ends the fight first. Then if you go to my specific case Minwu's AASB entry does like 75k more than Rem's which is not insignificant

Like this is literally the point I'm making.

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Listen man I think we agree overall

I'm just saying your first post came off as a bit condescending with how you expressed your thoughts

So when I say "blockbuster tripe" it means stuff that's just all effects, no substance whatsoever. You apparently inferred a meaning in my words I'm not sure where you got it from, then proceded to defend THE CINEMATOGRAPHY which is like, the definition of what I meant by tripe, a movie that is all cinematography and glitz with nothing behind it. Then you turned around and tried to say the original trilogy was in the same boat as it relates to plot as TLJ, and tried to claim I was saying cinematography didn't matter when I wasn't, and yeah, I'm not the one who came in here looking for a fight, that was you. I just didn't thinly veil my jabs.

So to make it clear I'm not saying all blockbusters are bad, emphasis is on the tripe not the blockbuster-- I freaking love a lot of them, but I also realize that there are some that are formulaic attempts that fill in the dots on basics and try to paint it over by looking shiny and say "well it's a good movie now." So when you then turn around and say "well the plot of Star Wars was never the draw" while praising the cinematography of TLJ as something that makes it a great movie it makes you sound like you don't get why Star Wars was a good movie to begin with. Like I hate to bring up Transformers as that's everyone's punching bag by now, but if you want the textbook example of what I mean by "blockbuster tripe" that's it and I'd say TLJ has a lot more in common with your Transformers of the world than your A New Hopes or Jaws.

I'm not sure how you argued with me so much while apparently mostly agreeing. Like you say you actually praised Star Wars in POST 60 but this is way after we were taking jabs at each other so *shrug

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CasanovaZelos posted...

How is saying the plot isn't the selling point a form of condescension?

There is nothing actually wrong with the plot of Star Wars and comparing it to TLJ which has a lot of problems is condescending and reductionist to the issues people have with the film. There are elements to the plot that are absolutely a selling point to people in Star Wars-- notably as said the rich setting and fun characters, but the beats on the story itself are an excellent lesson in the basic elements a story needs to be good as well.

Simple is not always bad and simple doesn't preclude something from being an appeal to someone.

Like the source of possibly the most infamous spoiler of all time is from OT Star Wars, and you're saying that plot wasn't a selling point to anybody and comparable to generic blockbuster tripe? Self-important much?

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