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OhhhJa posted...

and you were called a conspiracy theorist.

I've never understand why this is supposed to be a bad thing. You're literally theorizing that a conspiracy exists. Why would you not be called a conspiracy theorist for doing so?

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JixHedgehog posted...

Sorry, I was listing 3 different things

The Oxford comma finds itself vindicated once again.

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ASlaveObeys posted...

There are medics all over the place and a doctor on site too.

Seems really weird that he wasn't pulled out before dying, then.

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LinkPizza posted...

I dont normally watch a lot of compilations, anyway. But some of my favorite single videos disappeared. Dont get me wrong. I can jerk off to new and different stuff. But it sucks losing some videos that got me really hard...

By and large, even single videos that got removed were also videos that shouldn't have been there. There were certainly non-verified users that did upload their own content, and the changes to the verification process make re-establishing themselves enough of a pain that many won't bother, but a lot of the non-verified content was copyrighted or otherwise uploaded without participants' permission.

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OhhhJa posted...

But where did the so called evidence for the wet market pangolin come from then now that we know that likely wasn't true?

By finding a genetically similar virus in the local bat (not pangolin) population, mostly. The wet market was believed to be the most plausible route of transmission between said bats and humans.

OhhhJa posted...

Where did I say angrier?

I was talking about people getting angry, and you talked about that getting worse. Worse than angry is angrier.

OhhhJa posted...

I said they fueled conspiracy theories by ignoring a very possible plausible explanation

As Link said, conspiracy theories were going to happen regardless of what they did or didn't do. When people don't fully understand the situation, they jump to conclusions and outlandishly demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect. This was never going to be a simple enough situation for everyone to understand it, so there were always going to be conspiracy theories.

OhhhJa posted...

I think you've got it backwards my dude. Blame the government and there's less animosity toward the Chinese people as a whole amd its directed at big bad government. Blame a wet market and people can be mad at what they perceive as a cultural problem in china that leads to dangerous viruses

Could go either way. Lashing out against the Chinese government can absolutely lead to harming Asians for the sake of hurting it, whereas broader culture is a more abstract entity that you can't deliver a metaphorical ransom to. Neither is ideal.

Zeus posted...

I still think it's hilarious that the lab angle was completely dismissed when Trump was in office but now it's suddenly a major investigation and a serious allegation under Biden.

That's mostly because Trump laced it into a never-ending string of baseless, nonsensical ramblings in a desperate effort to deflect blame from himself (which describes most of Trump's reactions to things that went wrong during his presidency, including its end), whereas if it's being investigated seriously now, it's because of actual evidence. One's an actual reason to suspect there's some merit to the theory, the other is a textbook demonstration of the saying "even a broken clock is right twice a day."

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That too. It's easy enough to move on.

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OhhhJa posted...

This is stupid unfounded speculation.

So is "this is a massive cover up and something big is going on."

OhhhJa posted...

And it did the opposite. They ignored the obvious and it helped fuel the conspiracy theories. That's what happens when you try to brush something under the rug when people already suspect it.

You really think that people were angrier because they said it didn't come from a lab than they would be if they said there was a significant chance?

OhhhJa posted...

Also, I don't exactly see how blaming a wet market in China wouldn't potentially cause the same anger toward Chinese people

There's less intent involved in that explanation. Blame the Chinese government specifically for releasing it from a lab, and you've got a specific target for anger. Blame some hapless dude who bought some bad meat, and while that's symptomatic of a broader problem with China's governance, there's less capacity to directly blame them.

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Yep. Most of the compilations people are complaining about losing were not put together with the permissions of the content owners or those that appear in them, and pretty much everything from a major studio that has been removed was up there illegally to begin with (since major studios' accounts haven't been touched, and they're the only ones that have the rights to upload their videos). It sucks to lose favourites, but it's also understandable and largely for the best as far as ensuring people have control over their content goes.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

the baseball game for gamecube

Ah. Never mind, then.

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OhhhJa posted...

But governments and organizations denying the lab leak was a possibility and now admitting it could be... they were covering something up. They were lying. Where's there's smoke, there's fire as they say

The simplest explanation is that they weren't completely certain of it, but didn't want to vocally entertain the possibility because of a preponderance of nutjobs who would treat that as all the reason they needed to start kidnapping Asians and holding them for ransom to punish China. That, and America's struggled enough with the attitude of "this pandemic's not my fault, why should I have to take precautions?" even without having a more definitive scapegoat for it, so giving them a scapegoat would only make that even worse.

Basically, speculating like that in the early days of the pandemic would have been extremely irresponsible. Speculating like that now, less so. If there were some grand conspiracy to keep hidden, they likely wouldn't be admitting anything different.

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FatalAccident posted...

Because?

They had a growing problem with non-consensual and otherwise criminal content uploads that got high-profile enough for Visa and Mastercard to stop supporting the site, so they basically purged every non-verified account and tightened up their verification process (such that even some verified ones had their videos axed).

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

ported all stars would be good too.

Mario All Stars? That's in the SNES Classics collection that's unlocked by an online subscription. I don't think that version includes SMW, but it also doesn't need to because SMW is already in the collection.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Suggest something that's technically possible and provide no proof

Technically possible, but also virtually impossible to disprove, so they can never be wrong.

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Seems like a pretty low-key show.

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LeetCheet posted...

Birds got it all figured out.
Laying eggs > Giving birth

In terms of the physiological demands, it's not actually all that different. They still need to provide the fetus with all the necessary nutrients, and they still need to squeeze something baby-sized through their baby hole. The biggest benefit of laying eggs is that the females spend less of the gestation time being vulnerable due to carrying the fetus themselves, but in exchange for that, the offspring themselves are more vulnerable.

Arguably, marsupials strike the best balance: Their offspring are extremely small and easy to deliver at birth, and they aren't tied to a long, vulnerable gestation time. They still have to provide all of the nutrients to develop the offspring into something independent (that's just plain thermodynamics, you're never getting around that), but because the altricial offspring finishes its development in the mother's pouch, if she encounters a situation where the baby would slow her down enough to endanger her life, she can yank it out of her pouch and leave it behind. Keeping it in the pouch provides a comparable level of protection to what placental mammals give their developing offspring, though, so the issue of ovivores doesn't come up.

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I finished my undergrad that year, so I hope it existed.

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It's not, actually, at least not if you look at the bones instead of the soft tissue. Soft tissue stretches, bones don't.

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Why are these separate things? Delivery is the service.

The "service" is communicating your order to the restaurant and organizing a driver. The delivery is considered a separate service, though most of that also goes to the company (though they'd like you to think it goes to the driver). Usually, they're also charging the restaurant a percentage on top of all of the extra fees.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

Do they literally not have medical personnel on hand? Should probably be illegal.

Yeah, I understand wanting to have tough training regimens, but if they aren't prepared for people to need to drop out for medical reasons, that's just straight up negligent.

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Mead posted...

People love staying in a state of willful ignorance about this subject for some reason

Probably because whenever they actually take the time to learn the facts, they quickly start to realize that they're just being assholes for no reason, so they go back to knowing nothing so they don't have to feel bad.

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Huzzah!

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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

Yes, Pelosi and Biden said it was racist and xenophobic to close the borders like Trump suggested. If they hadnt been standing in the way, it wouldve worked better.

I'm just going to copy+paste what I said on that subject in another topic, rather than retyping everything:

adjl posted...

Yeah, pretty much everyone screwed up the travel ban thing. I get not wanting to make knee-jerk xenophobic reactions, especially where anti-Asian racism was already ramping up quite terribly even before the virus started to seriously spread beyond China's borders and travel bans would be seen as vindicating that hatred, but the delays in implementing bans have made things worse. I'd blame that more on the racism than anything else (don't need to act to prevent racism if there's no racism in the first place, after all), but regardless, it could have been handled better.

That said, I think a lot of people overestimate both the simplicity and effectiveness of travel bans. It's not remotely possible to just say "nobody comes here from this country." That would have more dire economic consequences than a decade of lockdowns like the ones we've seen over the past year, due to how inextricably commerce depends on international travel. That means any travel ban needs to include a litany of exceptions, the nuances of which were very much not clear at the beginning of 2020. As soon as you start making exceptions, though, you get cases slipping through the cracks, and unless you have already have precautions in place to keep those cases from spreading (and given how reluctant the US citizenry has been to adopt such precautions with the virus already running rampant, good luck implementing them before there are any cases), those are going to turn into outbreaks that continue to spread.

Shutting the borders earlier would have helped, but at best, I wouldn't expect it to do much more than delay the first wave by a couple months. In a country that had embraced precautions instead of fighting them at every turn (such as New Zealand), that would have made a world of difference because the added time to prepare would have ensured that would-be seed cases wouldn't turn into anything uncontrollable. In the US, though? It'd likely just have shifted the timeline forward a bit.

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VioletMassacre posted...

Weird poll. What is other in this case?

Other is G.

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MondoMan180 posted...

We KNOW there is a biomedical lab in Wuhan where the virus originated from ok?

You say that like it's somehow inherently suspicious, but you'd be hard-pressed to find any city with over 10 million people that doesn't have at least one biomedical lab in it. Wuhan is a large city, not some tiny village with a biomedical lab looming over it like a supervillain's lair.

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Le_Corbeau posted...

If it came from a lab in China where it got accidentally released (through lax security) . . . or worse . . . HOW WOULD IT NOT BE CHINA'S FAULT?

Did the world sue the US for the opioid crisis because Purdue's headquarters are located on US soil? No, because that would be silly. They sued Purdue (well, the US did that, but the logic's the same).

The only way to blame China as a whole for a hypothetical lab accident that released Covid would be if it were a government-run lab and you could prove that they failed to do their due diligence in securing it. If the lapse in security was because the security company they hired failed to live up to their contract, that's that company's fault. If the breach happened because somebody working at the lab failed to follow protocols in which they were trained, that's that individual's fault. And so on. There are many levels at which such a thingcould have happened, many of which cannot be described as "China" as a whole.

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Judgmenl posted...

In no way is this ever legal or okay to do.

18/19-year-olds are still considered teens, albeit not colloquially.

PK_Spam posted...

someone 40+ shouldnt be banging 18 year olds.

Same goes for people 24+

I hesitate to make any absolute judgements on the matter, but generally, it is indeed pretty weird. The first couple years after high school constitute a major shift in maturity and life experience for most people as they transition to starting to live on their own and make more meaningful career choices (and even those that don't make those changes themselves are surrounded by peers that do, which influences them). Even just that first year after high school makes a pretty big difference. Somebody well beyond that transition dating somebody so immature does raise some eyebrows and call their maturity into question.

Of course, like everything to do with age, there are absolutely exceptions. Plenty of 18-19-year-olds are mature enough to be of interest to a well-adjusted 40-year-old. That's not really the norm, though.

PK_Spam posted...

Imagine being post-college age and dating someone whos probably been in a big yellow schoolbus in the last 365 days.

Hey now. Bus drivers need love, too.

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I entered thinking something along the lines of "the answer is 'yes' unless you're talking about sleeping with minors." I'm presuming that's not what "dating/banging teens" means, given the caveat of "legally," so I guess it's all fair game (though even though 18-19-year-olds are legal, there's usually such a massive maturity gap that enjoying a relationship with one says some rather unflattering things about the older partner).

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Yep. Him wanting other people to pay for the stuff he wants is indeed par for the course. Says a lot about his upbringing, really.

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ZeldaMutant posted...

That's not how the gravity would work. You'd end up in a back-and-forth motion, spending most of your time inside the Earth, only bobbing above surface at the apex of your trajectory.

I was going to say something like that, but due to the fact that the earth itself is moving through space, I'm not actually sure how it would end up. Presumably, friction is not a thing in this case, so gravity will be the only force acting on you. Your initial velocity would be based on the Earth's motion, but because the earth is orbiting in a circle, its trajectory would pretty quickly diverge from yours. Despite that, though, Earth's gravity will continue to pull on you, and given that that is currently enough to keep people from flying off into space, it can be presumed that that would be true even when you can't touch anything.

As such, I'd expect the oscillation you describe, but you'd gradually stabilize to be just on the trailing edge (WRT the Earth's orbital motion) of the core, since on each oscillation to the leading side, the earth would have moved far enough to keep you from reaching your initial position. It's possible that the Earth's moving fast enough that the core's gravity would slingshot you out of orbit on the far side if you start on the leading edge, but I don't know for sure.

Of course, all of this is largely irrelevant, because you'd also phase through air instead of being able to breathe it. You'd lose consciousness within a minute or two and die a few minutes after that, so you wouldn't actually experience much of that.

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helIy posted...

i would say it's weird that mr. billionaire wants everyone else to pay for his fuck ups

but we know he's broke as hell and facing bankruptcy so it's not that weird

To be fair, no one billionaire can single-handedly pay for the consequences of the US' handling of Covid, bankruptcy or otherwise. That cost is in the trillions.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Although, at the same time, most Western countries got rid of "marital rape" laws last century.

Being married does indeed not excuse rape, but when you've got an abusive situation like that and can groom a child bride (as much as I hate to gender it because boys are not exempt, it is predominantly girls that are forced into these situations), you can end up in some really sketchy territory as far as consent goes, without actually crossing the line into anything explicitly illegal. It's better to just head it off by banning the whole practice.

The same, incidentally, can be said for incest: Because of the power dynamic and the potential for grooming, it's pretty common to end up in situations where consent isn't really there, but it still doesn't actually fall into illegal territory. Keeping incest illegal preempts that. There's an argument to be made that that's unreasonable because it includes the rare case that is genuinely consensual (and, unlike this matter, that issue can't be worked around by simply waiting a couple years), but the logic is understandable.

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The party of personal responsibility strikes again.

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I wonder if Zeus actually believes that this wasn't deliberately timed to coincide with Pride Month.

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Maybe this is the part I don't get. If they are allowed to make a legally binding contract in the first place that implies they're capable of making an informed decision for themselves.

They aren't allowed to do that, though. It's only allowed with parental permission, which ultimately just means that it's the parents that are allowed to make the contract.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

So when the person performing the ceremony asks "do you take this person to be your lawfully wedded..." they are expected to be equally as capable of saying "no".

In situations like that, the child will typically not want to say "no" because they know they'll be beaten within an inch of their life when they get home if they do. There also generally is not a ceremony (the ceremony's not the legally binding part anyway), since even the sort of people that like marrying 12-year-olds know it's something you do as far from the public eye as possible.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I expect this happens quite often to adults as well. Does this also call into question the ability for other people to make a contract?

You can have marriages between adults annulled if one party was incapable of properly consenting, yes. It's significantly more common for children to be in that situation than adults, though, by simple virtue of the fact that children can never properly consent.

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blu posted...

Pretty much no reason to use zoom for casual conversation

Was there ever? Discord exists, after all.

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Can you not cancel your preorder?

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I didn't associate the two things at all. I thought we were discussing whether they were capable of making a life long commitment, or if they were prepared for the divorce if that didn't work out.

As it stands, most laws surrounding child marriage allow it only with parental permission. As is completely expected, there are people that take advantage of that to force their children into marriages with adults (usually for some manner of financial gain), which are legally binding because they had parental permission. That, in turn, opens the door to all manner of terrible abuses, because being married supersedes AoC laws in many cases.

It'd be nice if this were just a matter of "oh those silly teenagers don't know what they're getting themselves into!", but unfortunately, it more commonly manifests as a loophole that allows legal human trafficking. It needs to be illegal, especially considering that the only harm such a law will do is requiring teenagers to wait a few years before getting married (which, in all honesty, is something pretty much every couple should be doing anyway, so that's not a tremendous loss). I'd also be completely game for saying that the spouse and parents of anyone that was married off as a child should be immediately convicted of trafficking if the person simply says that they didn't want to be married, but that's a bit extreme and could be abused (to say nothing of how dubious it is to retroactively punish people for breaking a new law, even if they fully deserve it).

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

True. First responders (or whatever the English phrase would be) are important and when those are underfunded then the quality of the services declines.

Not to mention, both sides have issues they want the police to be stricter on and thus need the funding to be able to do that.

The central thrust of defunding the police is reallocating those funds to other services that are better suited for dealing with situations like mental health crises, rather than throwing money at police that routinely end up just making things worse because they're not the right people for the job. In fact, it's because police are being deployed to so many inappropriate situations that they find themselves underfunded and spread too thin. As counterintuitive as it seems, reallocating funding away from them to more appropriate services will in fact help with budget issues, simply because a huge amount of their inflated budgets goes toward militarizing them, and that just isn't necessary with better crisis management.

As it stands, police are already the #1 line on many municipal budgets by a huge margin. That's focusing a whole lot of funding on cures instead of prevention.

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Was there a lot of that going on? I don't think you need a law about it unless it happens frequently enough that it causes a problem.

If it happens literally once (which it has), that's enough to qualify as a problem. There isn't an acceptable amount of child sex trafficking, and laws that permit child marriage are frequently exploited to get around trafficking laws.

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Kind of accidentally. Ordered a 10-pack of nuggets, it came up as the BTS meal on the register, which was confusing and I double-checked that it was right, but that's apparently what the BTS meal is. The sweet chili sauce was pretty good, the cajun one was okay. That was also my first time eating at McDonald's in at least a couple years, which made the whole thing even more disorienting.

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OhhhJa posted...

I'll ask this then. Why has nobody approved any mRNA vaccine up until this very one then? 30 plus years and nothing... and then finally we rush out an emergency usage one?

Research into practical therapies has really only started coming to fruition in the last 5-10 years, and with unproven technology, it's difficult to get buy-in for specific therapies when more reliable (as in, they've seen success before, not necessarily that they're safer or more effective) alternatives exist. The pandemic has presented a high-pressure situation where the market is more than big enough for several alternatives, though, so that competition has stopped being relevant and the technology is getting some time in the spotlight.

OhhhJa posted...

Why did it have to be mRNA?

mRNA was an especially good fit for this pandemic situation because all they needed to get started was the virus' genome, which was fully sequenced almost as soon as the outbreak was identified. Other types of vaccines rely on having viral samples to work with, which meant they were a few months behind. It didn't have to be mRNA (hence not all vaccines on the market are), but mRNA candidates were some of the first ones out the door because of that head start.

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Also, I feel like I need to clarify this:

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


While the residential schools were run by the Catholic church, characterizing them as "Christian schools" really fails to capture just how irredeemably awful they were. The program was explcitly intended to eradicate the existing Native culture and "civilize" the children into conforming with the colonizing European/Christian culture. Even without considering the violence, it was a deliberate act of cultural genocide. On top of that, the schools were rife with physical, sexual, and psychological abuse. There are countless stories from survivors of being savagely beaten and tortured (like, nails torn out kind of torture) for speaking their native language or anything else that was abritrarily deemed inappropriate. Those punishments frequently ended up being fatal, and their classmates were expected to accept that. More than accepting it, it wasn't uncommon for kids to be put to work in the infirmary treating their injured classmates and dealing with the ones that succumbed to their injuries. Those 215 kids they found in that mass grave? There's a good chance one of their classmates was made to carry them there. Take a survivor to the site of any former school, and they can probably tell you where a bunch more dead kids are buried (and yet nothing has been done about that...).

I may be mistaken in thinking you're underestimating how horrific the IRS system was, but it really does need to be spelled out. Those children were not the victims of a single, isolated hate crime. It's completely within expectations to find a mass grave near a residential school. I'd be surprised if you could find a single one in the country that hasn't had unidentified remains recovered from it, because it was just that common for kids to be beaten to death. FN populations have suicide rates 5-10 times the national average, almost purely because every community has had 1-2 generations completely broken by systematic abuse and robbed of their cultural identity. Substance abuse issues are similarly prevalent, because how else do you cope with that (and, in turn, how else do their kids cope with their parents being so traumatized)?

Oh, and bonus points? The last one closed in 1996. This barely qualifies as history.

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Heck, Vancouver has apparently become the worst city in North America for anti-Asian hate crimes since Covid emerged. Canadians like to be smug about not being as racist as the US, but we're really not in a position to throw stones.

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That's been around for a few years. Personally, I feel like it kinda defeats the purpose of the STEM label.

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Zeus posted...

That's a very amaxophobic remark, tbh.

I'm curious how you arrived at that conclusion.

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*Assumes pickup truck*
*Is pickup truck*

Never change, London. Never change.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Why would that not be legal?

As current drinking laws stand, it's illegal to provide alcohol to a minor. That doesn't technically mean it's illegal to simply be present while a minor is drinking to supervise them, but anyone caught with drinking minors is generally going to be suspected of providing the alcohol to them.

Mead posted...

you arent wrong, I think that lowering the age though just reinforces the view that drinking alcohol is a social norm and not a big deal for young people

It's a fine line. Given the choice, though, I'd rather kids drank at home in an environment where they feel comfortable getting help if something goes wrong than in secret somewhere else.

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Mead posted...

alcohol just messes up the brain so much when used by people whose brain is still developing

it is so much more harmful than many illegal drugs

It's bad, yes, but the fact of the matter remains that teenagers continue to drink no matter how illegal it is. I can count on one hand the number of people I know that waited until 19 (the drinking age here and in most of Canada) to drink, and that's not an unusual experience. Make it legal for them to drink under supervision, and that gives them the opportunity to have that experience in a controlled fashion that can teach them responsible drinking practices. Otherwise, it's outright illegal for parents to try to teach their kids about drinking (at least to do more than talk at them, and we all know how well that works for teenagers), which puts many kids at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to learning how to drink responsibly.

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Aaaand Sunny's gone full pedo. Can't say I expected this topic to go that way.

Mead posted...

Lowering the drinking age is a terrible idea, for alcohol the minimum age to purchase should really be 25

Its one of the most harmful and destructive drugs

I've really never been a fan of a hard cutoff for drinking ages. It may cut down on minors drinking (although I very much question any such statistics, given that they're generally based on self-reporting, and that's inevitably going to be under-reported for stuff that's illegal), but it means that the ones that do drink do so in secret and without supervision. Permitting supervised drinking at a much younger age (probably 16, possibly 14) would give them an opportunity to learn how to drink responsibly, rather than figuring it out from their peers. Obviously, that's far from perfect, given that not every eligible supervisor is going to be a good role model in that regard, but I think that stands a much better chance of teaching people healthy drinking habits than leaving them to develop that on their own.

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Metalsonic66 posted...

What you're saying is, we need a good ice skating game.

It would probably have more plausible ice physics than the mechanics seen in most games, at least. Whether or not that'd make for an interesting game, I don't know, since about the only way I can imagine it working is to do a figure skating game that was structured like a skateboarding game (do tricks-->get points-->receive validation), but an ice rink doesn't offer the interesting environments that skating games relied on. But the ice physics would be intuitive.

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