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HPPR = .5 PPR?

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Muddy Warrior
Dark Domain
Spiral Bliss
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Hbthebattle posted...

You can buy skills in DR2 though

I must have missed that.
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I played survival hunter. The original talent tree had a final talent that was a pitiful melee dot. I don't want to go back to that. But the revised tree from version 1.7 was fantastic. So were the trees from BC and Lich King. And then when I tried to come back, there was no talent tree, no choices, just "pick a spec and we'll randomly give you stuff at certain levels."

I mean, sure, under the old versions you had the chance to gimp yourself, but you also had the chance to do something really cool, too. I never followed cookie cutter specs precisely, even if what I ended up with was moderately close. But I also found ways to explore my character in ways that other people didn't. Nobody brought a hunter to their group expecting them to CC 4 or 5 mobs at once, but there were time periods where I was doing just that. What kind of flexibility or freedom is there in character building now?
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Steiner posted...

stalactites hang on tite to the ceiling

And stalagmites might some day reach them.

Neither of these were things I learned in middle school, or anywhere else. I only knew the stalactite thing from visiting a local cave and having the tour guide rattle off that anecdote.
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Does Zork count?
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v_charon posted...

As a current WoW player and one since the days of TBC, I can't understand why anyone would want to play a game that's intentionally bad and broken like Vanilla was.

As a classic WoW player and one since the days of beta, I can't understand why anyone would want to play a game that's intentionally bad and confining like Retail is.

I tried to play a character to 20 for some Hearthstone incentive about 2 years ago, and I absolutely could not stand the current iteration of the game. It scrubbed basically everything I liked about WoW, and replaced it with a bunch of streamlined crap and controls that didn't make sense to me. What I liked about WoW is that it had all of the charm and mystery of playing a game like EverQuest, but that it took out the awful parts -- you could do things solo, there were quests and objectives besides just grinding, battles were more meaningful then just pressing A and watching. But the rest of the experience was there. Most of that's been removed in favor of catering to the LCD and ignoring the leveling experience entirely. Or at least that's what it felt like to me.
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Does Big Priest just have a hard time with 3-attack minions? I honestly never thought about that.
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I did not do so well when it came to picking friends in DR2 free time. Because you have to befriend them 5 times, my first choice lived until the end, and then everyone else seemed to drop right before I finished them. Since you only get rewards for finishing the sequence, I finished the game with, I think, 2 skills. =x
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NFUN posted...

i can't find it anywhere online about him doing that and none of his novels (as far as I know) are that short

and he won't put out anything i care about until like late 2020 so don't talk about him writing quickly

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?32726

Looks pretty damn fast to me.
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Also don't look at how many times you need to give them stuff before you max out, because that's also a spoiler. They fixed that in DR2. There's enough free times in chapter 1 to max out anyone.
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Robazoid posted...

(dude wrote a whole novel in a single airplane ride).

That seems a little farfetched, even for Sanderson. If you're on a 12-hour flight and motoring along at 3k words per hour (which is an absolutely absurd rate,) that's still not even half a regular-length novel.

I've heard of people who finish Nano novels on day 1, but that's literally only 50k, and it's 50k of steaming garbage that they've already basically planned out ahead of time.
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Corrik7 posted...

azuarc posted...

The only person I can remember sharing it with is Drakeryn.

I read it and gave you feed back. Rude.

Drakeryn posted...

azuarc posted...

The only person I can remember sharing it with is Drakeryn.

Wasn't me. I remember you talked about the premise, and I (ineffectually) tried to think up blurb ideas, but that was all.

Oh. Oops. I knew it was only one person. And I know I had talked to Drak. I assumed he was the one who had read the whole thing.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

OK. So. Dresden Files breakdown. I've been writing an UF novel on and off, a lot of which was a reaction to DF and thinking I could do better alongside a very close friend, so let me see if I can offer you a detailed perspective...

All very good points. I failed to mention that the action is written very well. It's something I expect from an author, and I've very annoyed when they can't manage that. If there's one thing that I thought these books had going for them, it was that.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

-Building up on the previous point, something you should learn from these books (like, actively learn and confront, not just mention in passing) is that Urban Fantasy never slows down.

I can't say I completely agree with this, or at least not to the extent that we see it in DF. If I'm reading Patricia Briggs, Ilona Andrews, Seanan Maguire, Chloe Neill, whoever...the protagonist has times to stop and catch their breath a pinch. They regroup, they consider, they discuss the situation with the rest of the cast and/or they get pulled aside in a B plot. There's never a dull chapter, but there's an ebb and flow to their pace. With DF, everything's so hopped up all the time that this cycle is completely absent. I can't notice the highs if everything is a high.

Corrik7 posted...

Has everyone here read azu's book?

The only person I can remember sharing it with is Drakeryn.
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I bought the first Way of Kings book, and then never got around to reading it because the book literally hurt my hands to hold. Was like an 1100 page paperback, lol.
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Feral Amalgamation
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Raised Bed

look at me, switching my votes on the tiebreakers.
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I may have to go back to trying Sanderson. I've mostly sworn off of books over 600 pages...and WoT may have had something to do with that...but I mostly liked his contributions to the last three books.
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Wedge Antilles posted...

I never really see anyone on the board talk about it. What's a legion to you? 3 people? 4?

Dozens. This is definitely not the first time a Dresden Files thread has appeared on the board. I'm also thinking of fans I've seen elsewhere as well.
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Maniac64 posted...

Any specific series or book yo start with?

Andrews is a husband-and-wife team. They have four series.

Kate Daniels -- their main series, about 10 books plus a forthcoming spin-off trilogy with one of the villains. Post-apocalyptic Atlanta, MC who is the daughter of an ancient demigod, and initially is trying to lay low and eke out an existence as a sword-wielding mercenary.
On The Edge -- a not terribly good PNR series. Avoid.
Hidden Legacy -- their current main project, which is one trilogy that is being followed by another told by the old MC's younger sister. Houston, but filled with powerful magic users, politics, and some romance on the side.
The Innkeeper Chronicles -- a property that started as a silly story they wrote a chapter a week for on their blog, and has somehow become a real thing. First book is blatantly goofy, but the follow-ups are decent and the premise is kinda cool.

Probably start with Kate Daniels (begins with Magic Bites), though Hidden Legacy is a reasonable choice if you don't mind romance elements mixing in. All of them feature a strong (in both senses) female protagonist.
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I know. Just saying.

I've also done miserably during your tenure. Have I even made it out of week 2 during any of your years?
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Sceptilesolar posted...

I don't think it's very hard to understand why people like it. It's got a one-liner-slinging protagonist fighting magical monsters in a huge setting. It's easy to consume and enjoy....

May I recommend Ilona Andrews to you, then?
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StealThisSheen posted...

I feel like going "Man this series is really popular I wonder why" and then going "Well this sucks my stuff is better" might be kinda... Missing a point somewhere. Like, there's a reason people like it, I'd assume, so it's probably not safe to assume you just... Know better?

I don't assume I know better. But I did assume it would be distinctly better than my writing in such a way that I could learn a thing or two from it. Instead, I have to come to the board asking why it rings so many people's bells. I shouldn't have to ask why.
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CoolCly posted...

I don't know why you are so personally upset about people telling you when it gets good though. It's just objectively true that the first two books aren't as good as the later ones, even though they do have the tone of the series.

It's not that people tell me when it gets good. It's their fanatical level of insistence. Y'all are a bunch of zealots. And between not wanting to miss out on something I might appreciate, and knowing that I need to have enough knowledge on a series to be able to compare my work against it, I couldn't ignore it completely.

So I fully expected that there was going to be this massive improvement. I expected the worldbuilding and the style to blossom from that point and for a newer author to transcend into writing something...well, transcendent. That was the level of fervor I got from everyone who insistently decries how good this series is.

Instead, I got something that was maybe average, but flawed.

CoolCly posted...

I will say it doesn't sound like you really get Harry. It doesn't tell you when Harry is upset. It doesn't need to. You can interpret everything Harry is feeling by the way he talks to or about someone, or the actions he takes. To say he doesn't feel anything is a very bizarre take.

Oh, I think I get him just fine. Where I disagree is that I don't believe he shows his emotion at all. He tells it to you, in an extremely clinical fashion. Because that's expedient. But if he were to show it to me, it might actually slow him down and hinder the pace of the story, and Butcher writes like there's a bomb on the bus he can't risk let blow up.
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It's like Butcher doesn't understand how first person perspective works, because if he did the same rampaging action in Codex Alera -- and I read the first book, and that ironically ISN'T so obnoxiously fast -- it would have been fine because that's third person, multi narrator. The story doesn't live and die by the reader's attachment to the main character. But first person? First person requires a bond between the reader and the narrator, and right now that bond is simply that Harry is the guy holding the camera, talking into the mic but never actually demonstrating how he feels.

If Harry isn't an engaging character, then we need to have strong involvement from the rest of the cast. The truth is, nobody's on-screen long enough to fill those shoes. In this latest book, Michael comes close. I like Murphy and Susan, but they aren't around often enough. Harry is flying solo or simply zipping past the other characters so quickly that it needs to be his charisma that sells the novel. And he has none.

Harry's also lost his credibility as anything other than maybe a comic book character. He takes so much damage and keeps going, with no real healing, that I don't understand how he keeps moving forward. The books also pretty well establish a general idea of what he can do, and then he intermittently seems to invent superpowers. (I'm angry now, so I'm going to burn this whole house of vampires to the ground, even though my magic was so weakened I can barely light a candle.) I know it's well-known that Butcher's writing is summarized as putting his main character through as much shit as possible, but the problem is that not only does he get fucked up beyond human capacity but he also has to find ways out of those problems that aren't always believable. Simply saying "because magic" is not an excuse at this point.

The books seem to each focus on some mystery that he randomly conveniently "solves" at a moment where he's completely fucked over and fucked up, and then he rallies himself (for the thirteenth time, but THIS one is different because now hw knows what he has to do!) And then most of the ending resolves itself in fairly anti-climactic fashion. For instance, I was pretty disappointed when I saw how he addressed the hexenwolf murder squad. Two of them killed each other, he somehow becomes a more capable wolf than they are and murders the other two.

So it's all bad then?

No, it isn't. I liked parts. Harry does heroic things and he does them for heroic reasons. The very end of the third book, from the point where he leaves the Nevernever, was well executed. And maybe gives signs of why people will inevitably tell me the fourth book is where it finally "gets good." I can certainly see signs in the writing of why someone would like Jim Butcher's writing. And he throws so many darts at the action scene dartboard that quite a few of them hit. The novels just have a few too many holes in the rest of their construction for me.

Like, I don't feel as if I should be able to say I like my own writing better. Well, for narcissistic reasons, obviously, I should. But not objectively. But I kinda feel that way. Of course, if I offered to let you read book one, I'd have to give the caveat that it gets better...because it does. And that's precisely why I had no problem with eventually accepting I might need to read more than one book to appreciate. But I've read three now, and it really hasn't improved. So sorry, legion of rabid fans, but I'm out.

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also, yay for writing posts so long they have to be broken in two.
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The timeline:
* I begin writing urban fantasy, so I begin reading urban fantasy
* I read at least the first in a bunch of established series in the genre
* Legions of rabid Jim Butcher fans swear how good the Dresden Files are
* I read book 1. I am indifferent. It was so-so, but nothing that makes me eager to read on.
* I inform the board. The legions of rabid fans swear up and down, "But it gets good after book 3! Or maybe 4! But you have to get past the first two!"
* I dust my hands off and walk away, disinterested in reading a series that takes so long to get going.
* Several years pass.
* The legions of rabid fans scream, "NOO! YOU HAVE TO READ TO AT LEAST BOOK THREE! IT GETS GOOD THEN!"
* I consider that if I want to ever sell my own writing, I need to know the players in the industry, and that means I better understand why people like The Dresden Files.
* I suck it up and read book 2. It's mediocre at best. Having been writing for a while, I'm able to more specifically point to things I don't like about it, as well as what Butcher does well.
* I report to the board. The legions yell and mock and wail, "BUT IT GETZ GUD AFTIR BOK THR3E! I SWAER!!!!"
* I read book 3. It seems like simply more of what I experienced in book 2. There's a new character, Michael, who's kinda cool, and otherwise I fail to see anything neat or awesome about it.
* I am now reporting to the board one more time, so that, if my guess is correct, everyone will tell me how, no, it's book four where it gets good, and three's the one where you should start seeing that.

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But look, no, sorry. These books aren't that good. There's one main problem with the stories, which leads to another problem that kinda ruins the books.

The first is that the story moves too fast. It's funny, because usually you want fast-paced tension in your story, but Butcher never takes his foot off the gas. There's no time where I have a point to catch my breath, stop and wonder about the story, to appreciate the impact of anything that's happening, because as soon as something has happened, we're right off to the next crisis. Everything is rammed so close together that there isn't even time for reflection. Simply put, these stories need to slow the fuck down. Y'all must be a bunch of crack addicts with ADD if you call this good pacing.

And the main reason why this matters, TBH, is because I have absolutely zero empathy for Harry. I don't have time to have empathy for him. He's just some dude who keeps doing a bunch of stuff. He gets beat up, tortured, broken down, and everything else, and because the story never gives him any time to actually be beat up, tortured, broken down and everything else beyond simply acknowledging these things in passing, he reads as an android or a video game lead. I don't feel like he's a real person, in any way, shape, or form.

The moment that put this over the edge for me, the moment where Butcher simply lost me and never bothered to take a second to try to recover, was when Harry discovers the death of Kim Delaney in book 2. Kim's dead, this woman he tried to mentor, and then tried to protect by not telling her things that might lead to her harming herself, and when he discovers her corpse....nothing. No shock. No anguish. Not even anger at the stupid bitch who fucked herself over. He just keeps on analyzing the scene and moving on to the next bit of action.

At brief moments, Harry betrays his own humanity by acknowledging things he should be feeling, but he doesn't actually feel them. This has been the consistent tone of all three books (as best as I can remember book 1, anyway,) and it's why I'm really not especially interested in reading about this guy.
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dowolf posted...

Yesterday was a hard act to follow.

Just wait for tomorrow when all those games tiebreak?
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First Steps
Survive
Battlefield - Activation
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If the paladin double costs 5, why does the priest double cost 2, though? Like, I get that doubling attack is more likely to result in an OTK or something similar, and healing is priest's identity, which is hard to do without minions that take damage, but DS has been a part of OTK combos since Hearthstone went live.
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KCF0107 posted...

Winners in my tenure with the week they were eliminated in parenthesis:
2018-2019 Season: Bartz & Meow (Week 9)
2017-2018 Season: greengravy & terpaholic (Week 14)
2016-2017 Season: Reg (Week 16)
2015-2016 Season: lordloki (Week 9)
2014-2015 Season: lobsterfest (Week 11)

I am no longer remembered. *sniff*

Seahawks
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I didn't mind 2-3, other than the nudge that Monokuma gave to start the whole affair.

I also didn't think 1-3 was awful. I thought it was obnoxious when it was playing out before the trial. I also didn't think everything about it was immediately obvious, even if the primary culprit was suspicious from the get-go. Certainly not any worse than "11037," though, which immediately told me who the killer was.

Overall, I enjoyed DR1 more than DR2. The complexity of the trials was higher in DR2, the character motivations are more real, and the scenery was (mostly) nicer, but I still feel like I enjoyed DR1 more. I certainly liked the characters better. Kyoko and Byakuya are way better than <REDACTED> and <REDACTED>, and nobody else on 2's cast was really more than just a background character for me.
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TomNook posted...

As a kid, I liked Beavis more. As an adult, I like Butt-Head more.

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A Barnes nerf, 3 years+ in the making. At least maybe the wild ladder will finally be less than 20% big priest. I freaking hate that deck.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Traditionally, this league ran at 16. Wigs (or whoever put it together) had it running at 16 for like five years before he left and I somehow was the one who took over, and we had it at 16 for another three years or so before we lost a good chunk of the players like four years ago.

I prefer 14 but it is much better in my opinion to just change how many players we have (i.e. a 2/2/1 for 16 isn't tremendously different from a 3/2/1 in 14) than to just split the league in 2.

I am willing to step aside if it will allow the league to run at 14. I'm not super excited to participate. FF just becomes part of my routine during the fall where I fanatically check my team every week and ultimately probably make bad decisions. I'm also not sure that the draft time won't fall uncomfortably for me this year. (Can you give a draft order to Yahoo that makes it NOT pick a kicker or DST the instant you have the other positions filled?)
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Battle Against a True Hero
Melodies of Life
The Original

Damn near double-voted against my own noms.
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I had fun yesterday playing this tavern brawl.
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I would like a snow or two, but mostly I would prefer it to be warm enough that snow wouldn't happen.

The more important part of winter, though, is I would prefer it with sunlight rather than without. Winter is always so bleak. I would happily live somewhere with a less depressing winter if it meant I had to forego seeing snow.
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Black Song, White Scales
Temple of Thunder
A Longing to Ancient Times (Premium)

All 3 of these are the the songs I expected myself to NOT vote...okay, that's BS. I'm always voting Final Song here.
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Anyway, where the discussion of the mini-games in 2 are concerned, I suspect the reason I don't mind Improved Hangman's Gambit might be the same reason why I hate Rebuttal Showdown -- I'm using keyboard and mouse. IHG is pretty easy with a mouse, but I suspect it's wretched on a controller. OTOH, I had a rebuttal showdown the other day I literally wouldn't have been able to beat if you guys hadn't said here that there are diagonal slashes, because I probably would have just stared at that and whined that there's no way to hit the words in the corners that don't move. (Fortunately, it wasn't hard to do the diagonal slashes. I just had no idea hitting W+A results in an oblique slash.)
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I kind of like IDPs, personally. I won't fight for them if people want them gone, but it's something that makes this league a little different.

I am concerned with the overall depth of talent if we have 16 teams. It was already tight at 14. If you only take two RBs in the first 6 rounds, and then one gets hurt, chances are pretty good your team now sucks. Someone who might not have even been worthy of your flex is now stuck in your line-up. And that's before getting into bye week issues or if you have multiple injuries or whatever. So I'm fine with the idea of reducing from 2RB/3WR/1TE/1flex to 1-2-1-1 as Reg suggested.

Reducing bench size, I'm fuzzier on, simply because I've only ever done this league and so I don't know what the dynamics of having anything other than 6 slots is like. If the goal is to increase the variety of options available for pick-ups, though, I'm not necessarily opposed. I always hear people say how seasons are won or lost after the draft, not from the draft, but I've never felt that was the case in our league because there was so little room for maneuvering. 4 slots feels a little scary because of the potential for some awful bye week hell issues, but maybe I just need to adapt.
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Jakyl25 posted...

But things smaller than atoms dont work that way. They dont adhere to Newtonian physics. You cant predict their behaviors based on how other things interact with them. They exist in multiple places at once (a superposition), and dont become fixed until someone observes them.

Our brains function on a quantum level, or so I understand

Doesn't that just mean they operate on principles we don't yet understand?
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:eyeroll:
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nice
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These contest results have continued to disappoint.

Losers Round 1: #6 Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru (#4 Ricordando il passato) vs #38 Chrono Cross (#4 The Dream that Time Dreamed)

RIP Chiru or CC. (Definitely Chiru if this was the old B8, but I can't seem to predict anything these days.)
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meh, who watches anime?
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I downloaded WoW classic a couple days ago in order to pick servers and make characters, and discovered I needed a live WoW account to do so. No surprise there. But what did strike me was that so many of the servers were already designated as full. Like, am I going to be able to start up on Tuesday?
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

This case seems like the most complicated yet, by far. Lots of changes of location, even after the killings. This is gonna be hard to keep track of, I feel.

That was obviously the point of this case. It only replays the sequence of events for you like 5 times between the investigation and the trial. I remembered it pretty clearly the first time, thank you.

Also, I finished DR2 today. Too bad I didn't pick up DR3 off the sale as well.
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discolor
Rude Buster
GR Challenge Cup

After listening to Deltarune, I expected to vote for CC...until I realized which song was chosen. Ugh, torpedo song. Could go either way on snubs match.
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When I hit that chapter, I was waiting for the moment there would be a double murder, because I figured it was inevitable. Then everyone has to ask if it's the same person twice or multiple killers.

The two-victim-limit was always expressed oddly to me. Like, the way Monokuma says it, it's almost like each blackened is limited to 2 victims, but different people could go around bumping people off during the investigation. The game never seems to indicate this is the case, though.

GJ hates your scissors because she's very fussy about scissors. It's like when I tried to give Leon a baseball, even though he actually hates baseball.
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Possessed by a Disease is top tier Nier...which is to say that it's pretty decently intense background music. But it's still not something you'd listen to purely for the sake of listening to it. To nobody's surprise, I'm voting for my own nom over Automata.

Speaking of BGM, there's ten minutes I'm not getting back. Revealed is actually kinda cool, but it takes forever to get to what it's doing. But those parts put it over Roots.

Cloudbits
Revealed
Begins
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