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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:23:06 PM
#318
When I asked her why the campaign wasnt promoting Vets For Bernie, she saidand Im quoting hereappealing to veterans is not a winning strategy in a Democratic primary.


That is literally in the context of "Why aren't you listening to us or showing up to the events that you even scheduled with us"

That's a pretty big "you don't matter right now."
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:21:04 PM
#316
It's a conclusion anybody who isn't blind would come up with.

She literally told veterans in 2016 that they were not important because it wasn't a winning strategy. You even accept this, and hell, you agree with her on it.

Why is it okay to say "You don't matter" when it's "not a good strategy?"
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:18:41 PM
#314
DoomTheGyarados posted...
She shouldn't have said it because it is tactless, but yes in terms of pure strategy caring about the veteran vote in particular is probably not the good strategy. Judging by her other actions she clearly cares about the vets overall so it is a strange thing to say that doesn't line up with her actions.


I mean, it's pretty simple.

She cares about veterans when she personally stands to gain from making a show of standing for veterans

But she doesn't care about veterans when she sees nothing to gain from it.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:14:42 PM
#310
DoomTheGyarados posted...
It is almost as if people who are elected to pass or not pass laws should be judged mostly on the laws they do or not do pass


When her vote is one of many that probably never was at any point the deciding vote, then yeah, I'm definitely gonna look at her actions and the things she is saying as more important than her voting record, since that kind of thing is much more likely to have influence if she has more power.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:13:11 PM
#307
DoomTheGyarados posted...
Everything else is noise. If what she said is true, it was tactless but also probably not untrue.


But so you don't see a problem with her telling other veterans "Nah, you don't matter right now since it's not a winning issue" in 2016, but then continuing to tout things like "I speak for veterans everywhere" and "This is an insult to veterans everywhere" now?
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:05:53 PM
#304
I said it was a Twitter thread and you even said "I'd have to see the exact quote."

I just showed you the exact quote.

C'mon, man.

I know you were just as big as Cyclo on "It doesn't matter, look at her voting record!"

But come on.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:01:32 PM
#301
DoomTheGyarados posted...
I mean not to be mean (I am always mean) but he is upset Bernie met with the Pope instead of him.

I mean. Yeah. Sorry if I don't care what this guy claims happened.


No, he was upset that Bernie cancelled on an event with many veterans in NYC to go meet with the Pope.

But he even says he's over that incident, and it's the crap Tulsi did that really stung

I'm honestly not surprised you asked for receipts and then just handwaved them, though.

"I don't believe that was what was said. Oh, it was? I don't care that was what was said."
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/19/19 3:53:28 PM
#298
Found it

https://twitter.com/USMCLiberal/status/1185346410381742082

When I asked her why the campaign wasnt promoting Vets For Bernie, she saidand Im quoting hereappealing to veterans is not a winning strategy in a Democratic primary.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/19/19 3:50:06 PM
#295
DoomTheGyarados posted...
SEP I've noticed you really hate Tulsi. Like um, she served for many years it isn't a 'card' she was a field medic. Like wtf lol.


She flat out told another veteran to his face that he and others didn't matter because they weren't going to help them win the election.

But now she's suddenly "I speak for veterans everywhere"

C'mon, that's bullshit
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/19/19 3:46:38 PM
#292
Tulsi always playing the veteran card is such bullshit

There was a twitter thread I'm trying to find from the former lead of Veterans for Bernie. One time Bernie had to cancel a meeting with them to discuss their issues for a meeting with the Pope leading up to the 2016 election, and they were a little peeved about it but whatev. But Tulsi was sent to talk to them instead, and Tulsi flat out told them "Pandering to veterans isn't going to win the election" as a reason for why it was okay.
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/19/19 12:36:49 PM
#203
LeonhartFour posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
But you seem to have just instinctively referred to "sloppy joes" as "them," which is plural, which you can't really refer to the meat/sauce that way.


Sure you can, because you can make multiple bowls of Sloppy Joes.


Nah, because youd say bowls of sloppy joe. Its not natural to pluralize something like that. We dont say soups when referring to one kind of soup, or sphagettis. You would never say them if just talking about one sauce/soup/etc.

I will defend this half point to the end
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/18/19 6:24:25 PM
#151
MoogleKupo141 posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
MoogleKupo141 posted...
I want to kill babies.


What is your position on drinking the spinal fluid afterwards for eternal youth?

Asking for a friend


Very in favor

also love to grind their bones to dust and then snort that dust


My friend says MoogleKupo141 2020
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/18/19 6:21:22 PM
#148
MoogleKupo141 posted...
I want to kill babies.


What is your position on drinking the spinal fluid afterwards for eternal youth?

Asking for a friend
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/18/19 6:08:48 PM
#138
If you're on the far right, a terrorist, or a bigot, she'll refuse to say much bad about you

But oh dear god watch out if you're on the left
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/18/19 5:35:26 PM
#125
Tulsi moves the goal posts further to the right on her policies all the time whenever she feels like attacking the left for something

"lol those idiots want open borders! and they want to kill babies!"
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/18/19 5:00:25 PM
#111
A campaign to destroy her reputation? Why bother when she does such a good job of it herself?

Don't worry, I'm sure in two or three days she'll announce she's not actually against Hillary.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals
HashtagSEP
10/18/19 4:57:52 PM
#108
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1185278821249048576?s=19

"Fuck Blizzard" now OFFICIALLY a bipartisan issue. Tripartisan if you include gamers.


AOC is a great American but her signature looks like a second grader trying to draw clouds.


Don't you diss the signature of Celoop
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 490: 16 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
HashtagSEP
10/18/19 1:36:52 PM
#139
I gotta agree with Lopen.

A kick to the nuts is still one guy finding a way to overcome the other

A draw is just "We didn't want to pick a winner."
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TopicRumors of PS5 being able to play PS1-4 disks popping up again
HashtagSEP
10/18/19 12:35:29 PM
#9
GranzonEx posted...
ninkendo posted...
I could see it being you put in the disk and it gives you a digital/now version of the game

didn't Xbox One do something similar to that with older xbox games that were on its BC list

all Xbone games require installation, essentially the disc is just used to verify that you own the license to play the game, the game in your HDD is no different than the one you download from XBL


Yeah but he's specifically referring to the fact that putting in BC games didn't install off the disc or anything, it just gave you a key and downloaded it from XBL.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 490: 16 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
HashtagSEP
10/18/19 11:09:13 AM
#134
Jakyl25 posted...
the Lana/Bobby Lashley segment gained 69,000 viewers.


Nice
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 490: 16 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
HashtagSEP
10/18/19 10:13:32 AM
#131
Lopen posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Like, I think it very much could have got people excited in the way Rock thinks if they actually hyped it, instead of literally hyping Cody/Jericho in its place.

That shit was insultingly stupid


Oh no doubt but the question is what was a viewership draw not what could have been one. History just for history's sake is not a draw. You hype it up properly, maybe put someone a bit less of a project than Darby there, sure. But as it was? Nah. I doubt it moved the needle on show viewership at all.


Well, I'm moreso arguing that history just for history's sake is a draw, but they actively killed any draw it had on its own.
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TopicYakuza 0 Blind Playthrough Topic *Spoiler Warning!*
HashtagSEP
10/18/19 10:11:40 AM
#6
Great game
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:49:33 PM
#172
Lopen posted...
I mean if it was me I'd phrase it "give me a sloppy joe but in a bowl" probably. This whole plural thing wouldn't happen.


Right, but it does exist, and one of the initial arguments being made was that the meat sauce is what's called "sloppy joe," not the sandwich itself, which the name kinda debunks.
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TopicNew Sword/Shield Pokemon announced on Pokemon website
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:42:36 PM
#366
Mewtwo59 posted...
Yeah, I'm half expecting it to turn out that these reviewers haven't played since Gen 4 and they think everything introduced since then is new.


I mean this implies that Gamefreak would have returning Pokemon on early routes and not have atleast half of them be Gen 1

Do you really want to take that bet
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:39:46 PM
#168
LeonhartFour posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
If "Sloppy Joe" was literally just the name of the meat sauce, it wouldn't be singular, just like how you don't say "I'd like a cereal" or "I'd like a spaghetti." You quantify it via "I'd like a bowl/plate/etc. of"


I mean if I said I'd like a bowl of Sloppy Joes (or Sloppy Joes in a bowl, whichever) you'd know what I was asking for

you might look at me weird but you'd know and you probably wouldn't put the bun in there with it

but who knows you might


Well, right

But you don't say "I'd like a bowl of spaghettis," or "I'd like a bowl of cereals." You say spaghetti and cereal.

So the fact "Sloppy Joe" has a plural suggests it's meant to be seen as a singular object (the sandwich), not just the meat sauce.

Agree to disagree, I'm just stating my particular viewpoint.
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:36:20 PM
#166
Lopen posted...
Xiahou Shake posted...
I voted yes because the poll question is "bun or no bun?" and I'd be willing to bet a significant number of others did the same.


What are you saying yes to there I'm just curious


I was slightly confused when I reread the poll earlier because I voted No because of the topic title, but "Bun or no bun?" makes it sound like the poll is "Yes bun or no bun?"
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:34:55 PM
#163
Basically, it boils down to the name itself. "Sloppy Joe" is singular, not plural. It's why we say "I'd like a sloppy joe," or "I'd like two sloppy joes."

If "Sloppy Joe" was literally just the name of the meat sauce, it wouldn't be singular, just like how you don't say "I'd like a cereal" or "I'd like a spaghetti." You quantify it via "I'd like a bowl/plate/etc. of"

But if you're just pouring the meat sauce in a bowl, it can no longer be singular because you could just keep pouring meat and at no point do you know when it's two or three sloppy joes.

So I'll accept "deconstructed sloppy joes"

But just know in your heart the truth
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:31:00 PM
#157
Lopen posted...
I guarantee you more people eat sloppy joes in a bowl than eat it on goddamn rye lol


I'd say both are so odd it's not worth comparing, personally
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:30:27 PM
#156
LeonhartFour posted...
I mean, I'll concede to it being deconstructed Sloppy Joe's, but it's still Sloppy Joe's.

I never argued that my way is the only way it's acceptable or that most people don't think of it as eaten on a bun. I've just said it should still be considered Sloppy Joe's.


While I accept this, what I can't accept is how you're writing it, though

Sloppy Joe's is objectively incorrect
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:29:33 PM
#154
Lopen posted...
I'm just saying food trucks having limited options on what they can serve you doesn't mean that's the only way to eat something. It just means they don't account for fringe options due to space. All you proved is that sloppy joe on the bun is the most popular way of eating it, which no one is arguing against!


This isn't really even a fringe option, though

Like, we don't seem to disagree that if you say "Sloppy Joe," you're referring to a sloppy joe sandwich.

A fringe option would be like "Oh, can I have that on rye?"

"Can I just have the meat in a bowl?" is pretty far beyond fringe option
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:27:37 PM
#149
Yeah I mean if you want to settle on "deconstructed sloppy joes" I'll accept the terms
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:26:22 PM
#147
Lopen posted...
A food truck that serves little bowls of egg salad probably wouldn't be able to fill my request for an egg salad sandwich either

That doesn't mean an egg salad sandwich isn't an acceptable way to eat it


Your analogy of going from thing that is already a thing to thing that is already a thing doesn't really match going from thing that is already a thing to that thing deconstructed in a bowl without half of it.
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:23:01 PM
#145
Lopen posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
I'd imagine a lot of places that typically serve sloppy joes might not even have bowls for you to consume the meat from,


Are you claiming a restaurant would not have bowls on hand for me to consume something from


I mean a restaurant is not typically where one is going to be going looking for sloppy joes most of the time

I don't think "I want a sloppy joe. Let's go to that nice restaurant."

I'm gonna go to a sandwich place, or maybe a food truck/stall.
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:20:57 PM
#142
LeonhartFour posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
I mean, again, it changes names when put on a hot dog to "coney sauce," so that implies the sauce itself isn't what's called a "sloppy joe," but the entire sandwich.


Manwich cans specifically call it "Sloppy Joe Sauce."


Yes

Sloppy Joe Sauce

Not "Sloppy Joe"

And the Manwich can has a bun on it

Manwich is literally telling you "Here is the Sloppy Joe sauce to put on a bun to make a Sloppy Joe"

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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:17:59 PM
#137
Lopen posted...
Also if the sauce used in sloppy joe sandwiches had its own distinctive name of any sort when not put on a sandwich I'd definitely concede the point


I mean, again, it changes names when put on a hot dog to "coney sauce," so that implies the sauce itself isn't what's called a "sloppy joe," but the entire sandwich.

But I can request it in a bowl without it being completely absurd.


Also, I disagree with this. I'd imagine a lot of places that typically serve sloppy joes might not even have bowls for you to consume the meat from, since it's just not what a sloppy joe is and they'd have no reason to suspect to be ready to serve it that way.
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TopicNew Sword/Shield Pokemon announced on Pokemon website
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 6:11:09 PM
#363
So while not confirmed, an Italian site is saying that not only are there more Pokemon on early routes than usual, but they're all new, and specifically draws a comparison to Black/White.
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TopicNew Sword/Shield Pokemon announced on Pokemon website
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 4:50:25 PM
#360
Maybe Sobble, not sure yet
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 3:50:50 PM
#113
Well absolutely

Though if that hot dog bun also contains a hot dog then it becomes a coney
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 3:48:55 PM
#111
Gatarix posted...
(If Leonhart has sloppy joe filling in a lettuce wrap, is that a sloppy joe? Also, what's your stance on bread bowls?)


The first I'd say is a sloppy joe, since wraps still capture the same essence as a sandwich

Bread bowl I would not, though.
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TopicNew Sword/Shield Pokemon announced on Pokemon website
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 3:42:29 PM
#352
Another video preview saying "The number of New Pokemon and Galarian forms that I saw in this 90 minutes gives me hope that there's actually going to be quite a lot of newcomers to this game."

I'm letting myself get hyped.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 490: 16 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 3:27:20 PM
#91
Having slept on it, I'm ultimately disappointed since yesterday's episode basically felt like a mediocre episode of Raw. Hopefully this is not a trend.
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 3:25:16 PM
#103
I move for spaghettus to become the new unit of measurement for the United States.
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
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10/17/19 2:49:45 PM
#98
LeonhartFour posted...
I'm not going to start calling it Sloppy Joe meat any more than you're going to start calling it Sloppy Joe sandwich


Because if I call up people and ask them to come over for sloppy joes, they're going to come over to my house expecting the sandwich automatically

Whereas apparently they're going to show up at your house and be served bowls of meat

False advertising!
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
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10/17/19 2:47:40 PM
#97
Gatarix posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
Basically, you can say "I'm making Sloppy Joe sauce/meat," and say "I'm eating Sloppy Joe sauce/meat" if you're eating it out of a bowl

But you aren't actually eating a Sloppy Joe. Just like if you are eating pepperoni and cheese, you're not having a pizza. If you eat melted cheese, you're not having a grilled cheese.

So while it doesn't just become some other thing, you're only eating part of it, so it's hard to argue it's the same thing.

But if you eat a burger without the bun, you're still eating a burger.

(I'm not disagreeing with you I just think it's weird how "sloppy joe" is the sandwich and "burger" is, well, the burger)


To be fair, that's because the name never changes between "a hamburger" and "hamburger."

Though if you're just eating a patty by itself, you typically wouldn't tell people "Oh, I'm eating a hamburger." You'd say something like "I'm eating a hamburger patty." It's natural to come up with a way to describe it since you know people will picture it wrong otherwise.

Thus, saying "I ate a sloppy joe" if you just ate the meat out of a bowl isn't really correct, since it's not actually conveying what you ate.
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 2:42:29 PM
#93
Basically, you can say "I'm making Sloppy Joe sauce/meat," and say "I'm eating Sloppy Joe sauce/meat" if you're eating it out of a bowl

But you aren't actually eating a Sloppy Joe. Just like if you are eating pepperoni and cheese, you're not having a pizza. If you eat melted cheese, you're not having a grilled cheese.

So while it doesn't just become some other thing, you're only eating part of it, so it's hard to argue it's the same thing.
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
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10/17/19 2:37:18 PM
#91
turbopuns3 posted...
Whether it's the primary ingredient or some random name that's serving as shorthand reference to the thing is beside the point.

My point is that the dish we're talking about isn't a "sloppy joe". It's a "sloppy joe sandwich". We just leave off "sandwich" because it's convenient.


Right. That's the whole point, though.

You can't just go order "Sloppy Joe" like you would "Spaghetti." It's just not served that way. You can order "a Sloppy Joe" and you get the sandwich. "Sloppy Joe" and "Sloppy Joe Sandwich" aren't two different things. If you go to anywhere that serves Sloppy Joes and say "I'll take Sloppy Joe," they're not going to ask if you mean the sandwich, they're just going to give you the sandwich, or ask you how many.
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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 2:34:28 PM
#89
Isn't the first time Merriam-Webster has been wrong!

Marilyn Brown, Director of the Consumer Test Kitchen at H.J. Heinz in Pittsburgh, says their research at the Carnegie Library suggests that the sloppy joe's origins lie with the "loose meat sandwiches" sold in Sioux City, Iowa, in the 1930s and were the creation of a cook named Joe.[9]

References to sloppy joes as sandwiches begin by the 1940s. One example from Ohio is a 1944 Coshocton Tribune ad under the heading "'Good Things to Eat' says 'Sloppy Joes' 10c Originated in Cuba You'll ask for more The Hamburg Shop" and elsewhere on the same page, "Hap is introducing that new sandwich at The Hamburg Shop Sloppy Joes 10c"

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TopicCan it be considered a Sloppy Joe without the bun?
HashtagSEP
10/17/19 2:26:16 PM
#87
The meat/sauce isn't what's called "sloppy joe," though.

Like, in your example, when you order a sub, you're not ordering "a sandwich with sub as the primary ingredient"

The name is for the whole package. That's how it was conceived.

A "Sloppy Joe" is the sandwich itself. Yeah, we call the meat/sauce "sloppy joe meat/sauce," but that's just because it's easiest to describe it that way. It's the meat/sauce from a sloppy joe (sandwich).
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TopicNew Sword/Shield Pokemon announced on Pokemon website
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10/17/19 1:57:09 PM
#342
-hotdogturtle-- posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
mnkboy907 posted...
I'm pretty sure they said back in E3 that you can't catch the Pokemon way stronger than you. Or at least not right away. I wanna say I remember the example being a level 26 Machoke while the party was around level 12.


It sounds like the "can't" is more... You'll probably die before you do, or not have the proper Pokeball, or not have it listen to you, anyway, and not a physical "can't."

I thought I remembered them saying "physical can't" because the Pokemon came up with a special message saying that they were too powerful or something. But that was early in the reveals and I don't remember how it went exactly.


Oh, maybe, then. None of the previews mentioned it so far, but I also don't think any mentioned actually trying to catch one yet
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TopicNew Sword/Shield Pokemon announced on Pokemon website
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10/17/19 1:23:38 PM
#331
mnkboy907 posted...
I'm pretty sure they said back in E3 that you can't catch the Pokemon way stronger than you. Or at least not right away. I wanna say I remember the example being a level 26 Machoke while the party was around level 12.


It sounds like the "can't" is more... You'll probably die before you do, or not have the proper Pokeball, or not have it listen to you, anyway, and not a physical "can't."
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