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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/05/19 7:02:28 PM
#198
Cain thing kinda reminded me of TITO ORTIZ!?!?! in a way. I guess maybe the Fox audience will be into it though. Are any wrestling fans actually into this? I mean I've watched enough UFC to "get it" and I'm not.
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TopicFire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 24: Dynam- I mean Rokkr Siege is here!
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10/05/19 2:17:31 AM
#420
I mean I can just jump in and play either way my squad of +10s is still viable I'm sure despite the half a year or so break

But yeah I'll probably give it a look sometime soon. Is it a rotating event type thing I'm going to need to time my reinstall for or a constant game mode?
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TopicFire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 24: Dynam- I mean Rokkr Siege is here!
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10/05/19 2:09:07 AM
#418
Hall of Forms seems like what I'd wanted in the game forever, maybe. May reinstall this even though I don't have high hopes for the execution to be on point
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TopicScarlet Ranks User-Nominated Episodes of Television: Season 2
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10/05/19 2:03:55 AM
#109
Also surprised "raped" got as high on scarlet factor as it did reading that write-up.
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TopicScarlet Ranks User-Nominated Episodes of Television: Season 2
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10/05/19 1:59:37 AM
#108
Negan showing up and laying down the law was a good moment but I would call his overall arc a low point of the show and what drove me off. Dude was basically Triple H circa 2005 for a while there cutting the same droning promo every week.

Governor arc was much better. No real dragging on there unlike Negan.
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 68 [smfffc]
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10/05/19 1:53:48 AM
#217
Aki Ross was def worse than any of the FFX gutter trash if it makes you feel better charon. I may not be in the majority on this but that was the worst entrant.

I think the other thing of import Eddv didn't mention is Gippal wasn't full traded in, and full trade life supported through. Gippal isn't great or anything but probably has a bit more organic following than most of the other FFX minors nominated in, FFD charisma aside.

Though on the support front like Leblanc didn't really get any backlash either (ironically you may have given her the most flak ha ha) because we few who gave her any support just sorta silently did it and accepted her defeat when it came, and she wasn't full traded in either
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 68 [smfffc]
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10/04/19 7:57:35 PM
#199
FBike1 posted...
FFXIV is trash change my mind


I heard people who say it's trash main Edea

No not that one. The one from Bravely Default

I know, right?
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Topic[B8VGC] Day 16: Maya/Travis, Joel/Lloyd, Futaba/Isabelle, Sephiroth/Lucina
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10/04/19 6:33:03 PM
#3
Maya
Lloyd
Futaba
Sephiroth
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 68 [smfffc]
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10/04/19 6:31:01 PM
#124
Goffard Gaffgarion
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 68 [smfffc]
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10/04/19 5:17:21 PM
#11
Seymour Guado
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 67 [smfffc]
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10/04/19 12:41:26 PM
#217
More like Gilgamesh temporarily lost him to Cissnei support

Know your history son
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/04/19 10:45:19 AM
#141
I guess so. That's kind of an interesting plot thread, scummy champion who dqs themselves lots now can't get any title shots cause they buried their record so far while champ

I guess it only becomes a problem once guys start Eddie Guerreroing DQ victories for themselves
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/04/19 10:36:45 AM
#138
I will say the big thing I'm a little worried about is disqualifications. Abusive ones (ala the heel dqing themselves to retain a title) in particular. I can't actually find a way for those to exist and for win/loss records to not feel like a farce as you're literally just abusing loopholes in the rules. Say what you will about hitting a guy in the nuts to win, at least one competitor is defeating another. DQ is literally the ref deciding the match.

I hope the show just never introduces that as a viable thing cause I think it introduces too many logic holes
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/04/19 10:26:31 AM
#137
I don't really think "b-b-but he cheated" has to matter unless the established internal logic on the show, as it does in WWE (when they want it to), dictates it has to. As long as you never start putting that asterisk it doesn't exist and heels still work as a thing. Once you start doing so only then does it matter if a dude is cheating.

Like is your complaint why isn't everyone trying to cheat?

- Certain characters have scruples and won't want to even if it'll help them win
- The risk of the referee seeing it and disqualifying is real (well, you'd think anyway-- lol Moxley interference)

If your complaint is it should have an asterisk, why? Cause a dude with the strongest record might not necessarily be the "best"? This happens in sports too due to strength of schedule, botched calls, injuries, just plain luck, and a variety of other things
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/04/19 1:07:02 AM
#125
Based on the presentation you absolutely can.

You're basing it on the straight content (number of celeb appearances, number of unclean finishes, etc), not the presentation.

Like Pac's BS win felt like it meant more for his card position than most clean wins will on NXT simply because announcers stressed the importance of win/loss records. There isn't going to be an asterisk, it's just 2-0 for him against strong competition.

Will they follow through with it? Well maybe not, but I'm definitely hoping we see lots of low build non-feud formula driven title matches given simply because a guy has accumulated a lot of wins. These are little things that will make or break AEW for feeling like a legitimate alternative.

NXT has always felt like the WWE formula done competently (with less focus on things like promos, but when it does them they kinda feel WWEish) in pretty much every regard for me. That's again, not necessarily bad in and of itself as WWE with competence is certainly enjoyable, but just saying why I think "NXT feels more like an alternative to WWE than AEW does" is a weird statement to make and I really think the size of the arena/set style is skewing perception there.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/04/19 12:43:34 AM
#119
It's all on the presentation layer. Like you can say the matches didn't matter but the commentary stressed things like Pac would have a legit argument at getting a title shot with another high profile win here, and how overall win/loss records matter, etc etc. NXT doesn't outright treat matches as meaningless like WWE often does but it doesn't to me feel like many matches matter much beyond in a vacuum a lot of the time.

And I guess the key here is

I don't associate things like
heel faction beatdowns
bad guest commentators
pointless celebrity appearances
dumb unclean finishes (that don't involve distractions/interference into a schoolboy)

With WWE. I associate them with wrestling. WWE overuses them but like it's not inherently a WWE trait for me. It's mostly the stuff I mentioned specifically that gives WWE specifically negative associations for me. That doesn't mean it doesn't have other dumb stuff it does but on the presentation layer those are the important things to avoid and AEW did that and NXT doesn't as much it's mostly the commentary really and I said as much (NXT cutting to commercials during matches more often is also a big thing-- though they did it less last night for at least part of the show I'm not convinced that'll be the norm)

But I mean literally the first segment of NXT on USA's first show was Triple H blowing smoke up NXT's ass to put it in perspective a bit. I'm pretty sure literally every match on the first show ended with a finisher move or distraction too.

To me as far as presentation goes those kind of things are a hell of a lot more important than the arenas looking smaller as far as it feeling like a legit alternative.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/04/19 12:23:51 AM
#116
TheRock1525 posted...
It's just weird how people just revolt at the idea of comparing it to WWE in any way, shape, or form when I'm pretty sure we all liked the WWF/E at one point.


I revolt because I think it's incorrect (and in particular with respect to NXT vs AEW similarities to WWE) not because I think that's necessarily a bad thing.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/04/19 12:22:03 AM
#115
Really for me it boils down to presentation

Do the matches matter
How much are we focusing on the matches and feuds and not random tangential shit
How much smoke are we blowing up our own ass
How organic does the commentary and presentation feel
How dynamic do the matches and segments feel-- am I watching the same match/promo template stamped with different wrestlers/signature moves over and over

My experience with current NXT is limited as I only started watching it again with TV (and missed last week) but I'd call them WWE Jr currently with regards to most of this stuff whereas AEW bucked the trend completely, for me. If we're running a scorecard yeah AEW technically did ticked boxes on things WWE does like dumb guest commentators and stuff but on the actual important irksome stuff they more or less avoided it completely which is great.

Like even the stuff I didn't like it wasn't "this feels particularly like WWE and is dumb" it was "this is dumb in its own way" which is good.

I mean I still watch WWE some so I don't completely hate it or anything so "good WWE" isn't necessarily a bad thing to me either, but this did feel like an alternative to me. Not an NJPW or CHIKARA level of difference or anything, but more different than TNA (post FSN days) ever felt.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/04/19 12:06:10 AM
#112
I mean I guess by a stretch I would consider this like WWE in the sense that 2003 WWE is like WWE.

But WWE has adopted so many vile conventions over the years, many of which NXT also has to a lesser extent, that stripping away a lot of them makes it not like WWE at all in its current form.

Really I think my issue is less calling it like WWE and more saying NXT feels more "different" of the two. I think AEW easily feels more different from WWE than NXT does at the moment.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/04/19 12:02:05 AM
#110
Oh okay yeah they were off to the side that makes more sense why I didn't see it

Not saying that's a problem necessarily just explains why I didn't absorb it immediately. I mean I'm sure I just didn't look at every intro graphic too is part of it.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/03/19 11:57:16 PM
#105
Yeah if it involves the two competitors and I don't care how dumb it is. That was literally the MJP guy's promo on the dude before the match so it seemed fine imo.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/03/19 11:54:17 PM
#101
Jakyl25 posted...

Every entrance graphic had these


Huh. Seriously?

Well then good! I have no idea how I missed it every time. Maybe I just glossed over it cause they were all paltry records I don't know.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/03/19 11:02:09 PM
#98
Also I have no problem with Jake Hager in a tangential to the main event level role. Jericho's muscle is fine.

He's got legit wrestling and MMA chops, is big so has some base credibility there, and has been out of the WWE limelight for many many years now but still has people who know who he is. He's also decent in the ring as a wrestler.

I think goofy Hager would be best long term but you want to start him strong and legitimate first, get that WWE stink fully off, then get a bit more cute with him. Maybe a bit of a hard sell as a hire but I wouldn't necessarily call it a mistake if used right and I think he will be.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/03/19 10:53:49 PM
#97
Now if you want me to be negative about something? Just as I called, and trust me I really wanted to like her but...

Riho sucks. She reminds me a lot of AJ Lee, and I mean that in the worst way. Her offense is just not credible for her build and she didn't do well to gain sympathy from me in the match as I don't think she sold well enough or showed enough fire. Heck AJ might be better at least she had some entertaining ragdoll selling. Nyla isn't terrible-- she was big and not overly sloppy which makes her usable at worst-- but wasn't exactly good either. Wasn't an awful match-- none of them were (well MJP match was pretty questionable), but yeah if this is your women's division you need to try harder. This was 2008 WWE Divas division given 20 minutes, nothing better than that.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/03/19 10:42:47 PM
#96
Yeah I loved AEW and don't get "this is like WWE" comments. I mean by a stretch I would say the camerawork was like WWE? Definitely feel like NXT feels more like WWE than AEW does. I feel like the fact that NXT's set/arena looks so ghetto is clouding the more important stuff

Big things AEW does that I feel are different

- There is almost no focus on the organization of AEW or Twitter or anything not directly related to the competitors. Almost all commentary is focused on the on the match and relevant backstory to the match exclusively. NXT while not as bad as WWE with this still puts itself over too much and puts too much attention on non-match things I think.
- Announcers show enthusiasm and passion and it feels genuine. Mauro just feels like he's faking it to me too often-- probably because he is the only announcer who feels enthusiastic so it's glaring. More even load on AEW with hype.
- Match style lacks the formulaic approach WWE has of getting all your spots in and hitting your finish. This is true of both shows to some extent when compared to WWE but NXT to me still feels like "WWE given time" pretty often whereas AEW not as much. Half the matches didn't even end with a finishing move I don't think. Well I admittedly don't know Riho's finish but I dont think that was her finisher? Didn't feel like one.
- The in ring action is just treated as more important. The opener went like 20 minutes with no commercials-- unheard of! When there was one, JR stressed that there would be picture in picture and to tune in for the whole match.
- They were going for a lot of post match interviews which if some of these actually end up working instead of just being gateways to ambushes as they were this week could add a lot of flavor as far as making it feel sportslike.
- Intros were basic. Basically dudes just went to the ring. This is good because I don't get compelled to skip them.

Amount of shenanigans were overblown a bit. Moxley in the main event was the only thing that really crossed a line for me. Cody's roll up was fine and felt like a legit win. Pac cheating is fine too imo. I'm okay with wins that aren't decisive if they feel earned. I'm okay with in match shenanigans if they don't directly lead to a finish too. The problem with WWE bs is it's so frequently rooted in things not directly under the control of the wrestlers in the match like interference, or depend on the victim/ref being an idiot. Hitting a dude in the nuts when the ref is organically distracted? Great!

What I would really like going forward is for intro graphics for matches to have the wrestler records. That'd really drive home that wins and losses matter I think.

But yeah commentary is just so important to me and like if you swap NXT's commentary team with AEW's I could maybe be singing a different tune overall. Tony goddamn Schiavone I'm so happy. JR and Excalibur did great too. The girl in the women's match tried to kill it but whatever.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/03/19 5:23:53 PM
#86
Jakyl25 posted...
Boom goes the Dynamite

AEW: 1.409M


Jakyl25 posted...
1/4/10 Test run
Impact: 2.2M


Peak TNA > AEW vindication !!!
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/03/19 4:25:22 PM
#79
Not bad. What was Raw usually drawing on non Flair/Hogan nights again?
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 67 [smfffc]
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10/03/19 4:24:06 PM
#208
Cissnei is a good character at least. I mean I like Sephiroth better but I'm not exactly begruding her doing well
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 67 [smfffc]
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10/03/19 3:06:40 PM
#204
The best part is them randomly swapping into swimsuits for part of the conversation
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/03/19 3:04:54 PM
#71
When I think of "lazy WWE style roll-up" I definitely am not thinking of a small package in any case

When was the last time a WWE match ended with a small package I don't even know
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/03/19 2:45:45 PM
#67
Small package is not a roll up

I mean it is, but that's not what I mean

The school boy is generally the type of roll up that's bad. Any other form of roll up usually requires a bit more nuance and subtlety to convincingly set-up. As long as the distraction and shock value comes entirely from the two competitors in the match and not some external factor, I don't mind them as much. Particularly with something like a victory roll or a small package as they seem fundamentally more difficult to escape than a dude just flipping you over from behind.

As I understand it manager distraction likely led to that roll up finish so yeah I'm sure I'll hate it.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/03/19 2:02:38 PM
#63
NBIceman posted...
WCW was not truly that different from WWE. Their "win condition," so to speak, was being "WWE, but better."


I don't have anything to say about the show yet as I haven't seen it yet but I very much disagree with this assessment of what WCW was. WCW was different than WWF when they were "winning the war" as it were. Then WWF shifted and made their win condition to be "WCW, but better" and succeeded at it. But WCW was doing a lot of things with their edgier more realistic presentation and stuff like the Cruiserweight division that WWF just wasn't doing at the time, when they were in the driver's seat.

That being said I agree AEW does need to do this and I'm really upset reading that a match ended in a roll up. Like if you wanted to piss me off there isn't much of anything that you could do that would upset me more.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 489: Nick Gage was Robbed
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10/03/19 1:04:48 PM
#58
Oh boy I can't wait to join the joshi elitism squad when I watch later today
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 67 [smfffc]
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10/02/19 9:14:57 PM
#192
I tried to save him before I saw the nr ftr
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 67 [smfffc]
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10/02/19 9:08:46 PM
#179
Gaius
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 67 [smfffc]
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10/02/19 6:51:26 PM
#60
Seymour Guado
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TopicMercenaries IV Draft Week 14. The time line has diverged [mercx]
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10/02/19 1:34:40 AM
#6
Mid tier
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Topicpost and i will tell you how many times you've been mentioned in my dm w/ eddv
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10/01/19 9:48:30 PM
#87
greengravy294 posted...
Lopen driving to the ER to potentially choke while there sounds like the most lopen thing ever btw


That was a really smart scheme and I would have done it even with insurance cause who wants to pay a deductible
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Topic[B8VGC] Day 13: Kirby/Gilgamesh, Dedede/Banjo, Makoto/Chloe F., Midna/Shadow
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10/01/19 6:52:34 PM
#7
(3) Kirby
(62) King Dedede
(30) Makoto Niijima
(94) Shadow the Hedgehog
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 66 [smfffc]
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10/01/19 6:23:22 PM
#224
Cissnei going out would have only been really funny last round anyway
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 66 [smfffc]
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10/01/19 6:14:56 PM
#217
Looks like that's all she wrote for the character not even Bravely Default fans really understand why is in
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Topicbuys every mildly interesting game that comes out on switch
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10/01/19 6:09:14 PM
#14
I thought they were all FF8 Remastered
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10/01/19 5:54:14 PM
#32
As mercenaries 4 admin I want to put in my entry to beat Steiner
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 66 [smfffc]
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10/01/19 5:50:11 PM
#180
Yuffie
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 66 [smfffc]
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10/01/19 4:47:26 PM
#102
Gaffgarion
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 66 [smfffc]
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10/01/19 3:41:38 PM
#8
Seymour Guado
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TopicWhat are some of the best TV side characters of all time?
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10/01/19 1:29:52 PM
#4
Newman
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 65 [smfffc]
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10/01/19 12:47:23 PM
#286
I have so much RM love

When I get 3 saves

Not always a given
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 65 [smfffc]
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10/01/19 12:09:24 PM
#282
Realistically they probably already know if they're interested in you by the time that "any last questions" moment hits anyway. I've literally never thought about that question and I think most of the time I don't actually ask anything. (with any other time being an actual organic question that had hit me during the course of the interview)
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TopicSave My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Day 65 [smfffc]
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10/01/19 11:29:35 AM
#278
Ask them when you start it shows confidence and quick wit
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