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I made a joke about getting lazier the closer I get to 30 and this room full of old folks did not like it
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imho it really is one of those things where their own values are so ingrained into them that they have trouble seeing the parallels

for instance in that topic about BLM and the french protests and how the reaction to them by the right wing was different you had right wingers who were basically saying 'it's different because the things they want in france are good and the things blm wants are bad' without a hint of self-awareness and I honestly think a similar kind of process is at play
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Kolibri X posted...

Not cute? She sounds like an airhead.

she's a 29 year old leftist from nyc
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Ronald Reagan liked the earned income tax credit
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DarkRoast posted...

Doom_Art posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

Liberals used to like Libertarians. Now they hate them.

I mean it became abundantly clear in the runup to 2016 and after that most libertarians were just standard conservatives

or the ones that weren't are basically the right wing version of internet communists

Nobody would call me a conservative and I identify as libertarian.
I think the GOP can go suck eggs.

there's a big schism between the right fusionists that I guess are now calling themselves the Mises Caucus and other libertarians

you can see this primarily in immigration debates (e.g., Cato vs the Mises Institute)
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tennisdude818 posted...

JE19426 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

It's not that being in the EU is good, but that the EU wants to act so punitively when you leave so that exiting sucks even more than remaining. Not a good look.

In that case, they fail really miserable at acting punitively.

Not having a free trade deal makes everybody poorer.

What do you mean? They do have free trade, what they don't have is membership in the single market -- even the kind of partial membership they obviously wanted.

It would be like saying we don't have a free trade deal with Mexico because you need to go through customs to drive a truck from Mexico to the US.
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s0nicfan posted...

Well okay... so are people saying the UK are the bad guys here? Or is it case where both sides have valid reasons for their stance and nobody is the bad guy, because both are acting in their own self interests?

I don't think its about who is bad or who is good... The UK is on the losing end of the deal, though, and it's something they initiated which I think means they lost? AFAIK there's not a lot of internal dissent within the EU about what to do with Brexit, but there is a lot of dissent within the UK over how to deal with Brexit
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I mean for me personally it just shows how problematic it is to have direct democracy on complicated international agreements, which is probably why (as a for instance) the framers in our country of the USA intended for the not-directly-democratic senate to be the ones over foreign policy?

idk all the complications seem both predictable and actually predicted even before negotiations started
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s0nicfan posted...

I assumed the headline was the quote based on how it was formatted, but you can take the other one if you prefer: "Britain's example will make everyone realise that it's not worth leaving."

yeah I did take that and it's not ominous and doesn't imply he's intentionally making things worse for them in order to set an example
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How are they being punitive? If you want to be a membership organization then membership needs to mean something. Is 'giving Britain everything they want' the only non-punitive stance?
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s0nicfan posted...

Doom_Art posted...

I don't understand how the EU is the bad guy in this scenario?

If UK was the party that abruptly decided to fuck off, why is it on the EU to accommodate them?

The EU is the bad guy in this scenario because they've literally said that they want to make "an example" of the UK to disincentivize anyone else from ever trying to leave again.

Junker's exact words: "We'll make an example of Britain that no-one will want to follow"
https://www.businessinsider.com/r-no-other-countries-will-quit-eu-after-britain-eu-chief-juncker-2017-3?r=UK&IR=T

seem like that's a headline and not a quote
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that's a very interested metric imo

it seems like you could vote for the D or R but if you register L then you count towards the L total

my understanding in most states is that you need your top of the ticket to get a certain share of the vote, which makes a lot more sense than the way Maine does it if I'm interpreting that right
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buddy, no one is in D.C. for christmas
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

"omg did you guys see that she JAYWALKED literally liberals btfo"

man if she tweeted about how jaywalking is a bullshit law invented by lobbyists for the car industrial complex I would start liking her a lot more
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Romulox28 posted...

who fucking cares, shes taking a week of vacation during the week where like everyone in the country that has PTO takes off lol

that being said, the whole millennial concept of "self care" is so ridiculous, she could just say shes taking a week of vacation like everyone else does, i feel like ppl say self care to give them an inflate sense of self purpose

I feel that way too but I think we're just old
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I don't care about taking a day off, this time of year is really busy if you do stuff during the legislative session actually, I dislike it when politicians try to lecture me about morals or w/e but that's kind of their whole schtick, it's just usually less millenial because there aren't many millenial politicians yet
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Anteaterking posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

How are you punished for suicide tactics if you just reset and try again if your suicide tactics don't work?

Suicide tactics doesn't mean "low probability of working", it means that you succeed because you sacrifice people.

Isn't the punishment also just not proceeding vs an xp penalty? They're different kinds of punishments entirely even if you buy the framing
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the levels are just so devoid of interesting content to me

even at the time it seemed super sparse and boring
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baldur's gate II?

maybe unmodded is a bit overrated
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I mean there are a lot more young people that are SJWs than are conservatives, especially women, so statistically speaking it is much easier to find a hot liberal than a hot conservative. I mean, if you're into women and especially college-educated women younger than 65 or so
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yeah
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I liked Square a lot more before it got bought by Enix tbqh. I mean, they definitely fucked up and squandered all the cash and good will that they got after FFVII but I still think they were a better game company
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TheMikh posted...

We have reached a point where those cultural norms can be identical, and even ideals, but voting choice alone - that is to say, the question of specific implementation - is the distinguishing factor.

hmm, nah
for one thing, people don't vote on the basis of ideology, they vote on the basis of identity. So it's essentially impossible to find people of different political persuasions that have identical ideals and cultural norms.

for another thing, the two major political parties differ in more than implementation so even if what you said were true about voting choice and ideals, I would think you're overstating your case.
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Maybe that isn't the right terminology, so let me explain. I mean RPGs that have a significant portion of their game play that falls into another genre -- in both Final Lap Twin and Racing Lagoon, that would be racing. Another example would be World Court Tennis on the Turbografx (RPG/Tennis) or I think the Mario Golf game for GBA had an RPG-ish single player mode

That's actually basically an exhaustive list of all the games like this that I know of. Any others?
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Hm, what does the CoM remake entail, do you know what they changed?
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Anteaterking posted...

What are you going to order?

idk I don't want to seem like a try hard

good question

MattSFfrd posted...

OH MY GOD YOU HAVE TO ASSOCIATE WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN YOU, THE HORROR

caps

I'm not sure where you're getting that from, kind of a weird projection imo
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shockthemonkey posted...

Good luck, have you had any casual contact with them before?

yeah but only in passing tbh

they mostly know me as the only left of center dude who goes to any of their committee meetings on tax policy so they most likely don't like me much. I've taken a less strident tone than my predecessor but I'm not sure they've noticed that
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we're all poor white trash
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I'm gonna tell them they should pass a law that creates a state-level EITC at at least a 5% match to the federal version
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yes
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feels weird man

I guess this is how you get shit done though from what people tell me
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s0nicfan posted...

Sure, we can go with your equivalent. It still makes my point.

What is your point? That overt discrimination against Muslims is less tolerated than overt discrimination against Christians? I agree with that personally, but it's also meaningful that you can't think of an actual analogy here because that's what sets the tone of the responses.

The fact that Islam is a minority religion that largely just gets dumped on in minute and everyday ways has real world implications for how people respond to you dumping on the religion.

For instance, one thing you see a lot more of for Muslims than Christians is that people get mad and protest them for wanting to open up a house of worship. You see a lot of states passing laws trying to outlaw 'muslim courts.'

It is the same way that you can shit on white people on twitter and no one cares but if you call black people names you get censored. But at the same time being black is worse than being white in many ways due to other forms of covert and overt discrimination in the institutions that govern our laws. So would you act like it's better to be black because you can say that white people can't cook or w/e on twitter?

So idk what I'm supposed to take away from this conversation.
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s0nicfan posted...

How about we compare "Jesus take the wheel on the border wall" to "100 lashes if you don't die of laughter":

I mean this is not analogous at all but that doesn't mean killing the charlie hebdo people was a justified response?

An equivalent christian joke would be like you'll be crucified for not laughing which probably would upset Christians though likely no one would get killed
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s0nicfan posted...

So we agree there's a disproportionate response?

in the same way that you might argue the response to a white person saying 'white power' is disproportionate compared to a black person saying 'black power'
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I mean tbf Muslims believe in Jesus so maybe they would even say this
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I'm honestly not sure what the analogous saying for Islam would be.

I guess the whole 'religion of peace' thing? Though that is typically used in a more combative way that is meant to be derogatory. This is just making fun of Pence.

I bet in Islamic countries there are similar sayings though idk
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eh

they're okay
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'Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage'

- literally a Ben Shapiro quote
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Ben Shapiro, easily.
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tote_all posted...

Balrog0 posted...

only 49%

lmfao

I'm not sure what you're laughing at
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sexual dimorphism is an evolutionary adaptation
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DevsBro posted...

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

DevsBro posted...

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

I don't think a salary of $60k for a teacher coming off a 4-year degree sounds too bad.

That's average though, not just across the country but across levels of experience too.

I passed $60k three years into my career and I live in Alabama.

Cost of living factors in too, right? $60k in Alabama takes you much farther than the $40k in Boston I was on some years ago.

Any time there's a discussion of salary, where you live plays just as much of a role if not more.

Yeah that was why I mentioned it.

As in, I beat the national average for teaching within three years even with the handicap of being in a region at the low end of the spectrum.

The point being while $60k might sound good for an entry level position, it's kind of a pitiful average across all regions and experience levels.

I think there may be some confusion in that he might think you yourself are also a teacher?
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HydraSlayer82 posted...

Seems like a fair wage.

It seems like people are roughly split on this question once they learn what teachers make
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Doe posted...

How much do they earn

depends heavily on your state and locality

Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

I don't think a salary of $60k for a teacher coming off a 4-year degree sounds too bad.

Yeah but $60k is roughly the average teacher salary, period, not the average starting salary
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makes sense for california
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I like it but I don't take it super srs
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salaries teachers get

http://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/teaching_now/2018/12/the_teaching_profession_in_2018_in_charts.html

It's the third chart. When people are ignorant of teacher salaries, 67% of people support increasing teacher pay. When they learn about teacher salaries, only 49% of people support increasing teacher pay

Pretty interesting
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stem is already stupid once you add in arts its basically all the things you can study
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Timohtep posted...

Tag. Hope the site comes back. Stay strong TC

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