Current Events > Super Mario 64 is the most overrated game of all time

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yes yes yes
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yeah
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Still one of the best games ever released. Stands up very well, I think. The only real bad thing is the sloppy controls. Loose, a bit unresponsive, and Mario slides a bit too much, perhaps.

Only 3D platformer that ever beat it was B-K. Took the basic formula, and made it even greater.

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It's alright but hasn't aged nearly as well with its remake as OoT3D did
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what you have to remember about mario 64 is that there was basically no precedent for anything that it did.

instead of just directly translating a 2d platformer to a 3d space (like crash bandicoot), nintendo completely reinvented the wheel with mario 64. when you look at it conceptually, side-by-side with something like super mario world, the way you play those two games is almost completely different.

everything about mario 64 is inventive & groundbreaking, and besides Zelda on the NES, i honestly cant think of another game that had the level of impact mario 64 had.
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That honor belongs to Final Fantasy 7
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it deserves all the praise it gets dawg get the heck outta here
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FrisbeeDude posted...

That honor belongs to Final Fantasy 7

No one goes around blasting how perfect of a game FF7 is.

No one goes around blasting how perfect of a game Mario 64 is.

You know what game people does go around blasting around as the perfect game? Oh I think you know.
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fuck y'all
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OoT is rated higher though
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It deserves all the praise it gets imo
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Veggeta X posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

That honor belongs to Final Fantasy 7

No one goes around blasting how perfect of a game FF7 is.

No one goes around blasting how perfect of a game Mario 64 is.

You know what game people does go around blasting around as the perfect game? Oh I think you know.

OoT
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I loved it as a kid, but I don't really think I could go back to it for more than an hour of nostalgia. On the other hand, I'd kill to have a port or Eshop version of Sunshine.

Speaking of super Mario 64 and ff7, there was a hilarious gimmick poster years ago named Legendary Kapik who wrote a joke review (still was posted to the site and was up for years) for a game he called "super donkey Mario 84" that was mostly actually about ff7. He called chocobos chickens and rambled nonsensically. It was a fun read
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Veggeta X posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

That honor belongs to Final Fantasy 7

No one goes around blasting how perfect of a game FF7 is.

No one goes around blasting how perfect of a game Mario 64 is.

You know what game people does go around blasting around as the perfect game? Oh I think you know.

Xenogears
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Man I actually say this.

Used to be Half-Life 2 honestly, but that seems to have cooled down.

Mario 64 is GREAT and super important to game history, but it is not better than a fuck ton of 3D platformers people put it over. They let the historical significance get in their way of the actual quality of the game. There are a lot of shitty levels in 64 and the controls are not very good. Not even compared to modern stuff, but to stuff from that generation.
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What levels are bad?

SaithSayer posted...

What levels are bad?

Hazy Maze Cave
Wet-Dry World
Tiny-Huge Island (feel like people will defend this one)
And worst of all, Tick Tock Clock

On top of that there are levels that I wouldn't call flat out bad, but ones that I didn't enjoy or had a lot of problems like Shifting Sand Land, Rainbow Ride, Snowman's Land or any underwater level. Big Boo's Haunt has some crappy parts to it, but honestly the good stuff in that level is so good that it more than makes up for it and it's one of my favorites.

The stages I really enjoyed are Bob-omb Battlefield, Whomp's Fortress, Lethal Lava Land and the castle hub world in general.
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Hazy Maze Cave is the only level in Mario 64 that I don't love.
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So this is another case of bad = not for me. I don't like Elder Scrolls but I wouldn't say they're bad.

Sunhawk posted...

The only real bad thing is the sloppy controls.

huge fat disagree

SM64 nailed 3D platforming controls on the first try. Absolutely nailed it.
(except for the camera, which wasn't perfect but still far beyond every other 3D game for 2 generations)
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GameGodOfAll posted...

SaithSayer posted...

What levels are bad?

Hazy Maze Cave
Wet-Dry World
Tiny-Huge Island (feel like people will defend this one)
And worst of all, Tick Tock Clock

On top of that there are levels that I wouldn't call flat out bad, but ones that I didn't enjoy or had a lot of problems like Shifting Sand Land, Rainbow Ride, Snowman's Land or any underwater level. Big Boo's Haunt has some crappy parts to it, but honestly the good stuff in that level is so good that it more than makes up for it and it's one of my favorites.

The stages I really enjoyed are Bob-omb Battlefield, Whomp's Fortress, Lethal Lava Land and the castle hub world in general.

I disliked tick tock clock and rainbow ride. I didn't have any serious issues with any other levels.
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I control the camera just fine.

I'd argue Hazy Maze Cave and Tick Tock Clock are objectively bad though. Wet-Dry World I really didn't like, but my memory's kinda fuzzy on a few things there.

I should really replay that game sometime to see if my opinions change one way or another.
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I fuckin' love Rainbow Ride.

But first, we need to talk about parallel universes.
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the levels are just so devoid of interesting content to me

even at the time it seemed super sparse and boring
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FrisbeeDude posted...

That honor belongs to Shadow of the Colossus

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I don't really get what's so bad about tick tock clock or hazy maze cave

the levels I'd say are bad are the water levels since movement in this game is really expressive except while you're swimming
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I'll never understand the people who don't like Tick Tock Clock/Rainbow Ride.
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SaithSayer posted...

So this is another case of bad = not for me. I don't like Elder Scrolls but I wouldn't say they're bad.

I mean Hazy Maze Cave is actually a pretty bad level. The 100 coins star is one of the most tedious missions in any Mario game.
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Don't force a 100%. Get whatever 70 stars you choose and beat it. If you insist on getting on top of the castle, do the wall jumping trick.

Gafemage posted...

SaithSayer posted...

So this is another case of bad = not for me. I don't like Elder Scrolls but I wouldn't say they're bad.

I mean Hazy Maze Cave is actually a pretty bad level. The 100 coins star is one of the most tedious missions in any Mario game.

Red coins for Bowser levels are.
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Godnorgosh posted...

Nah. Mario 64 did things that no other games, even 3D platformers, were doing at the time. It set the standard for open-ended collecting that games like Bamjo-Kazooie/Tooie, Donkey Kong 64, Jak and Daxter and others would follow and eventually expand on.

Even newer games are rooted in the standard set by Mario 64. A Hat in Time is basically an homage to that game and others that followed in its footsteps.

None of this is to mention that Mario is more versatile in his movement in 64 than any other game, which introduces a lot of possible and sometimes unintended ways to maneuver through levels.

This is some good stuff that I agree with.
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