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X_Dante_X posted...

that is correct

Fair enough

##unvote

##vote: blade
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X_Dante_X posted...

literally i'm just town

So your flavor is "destinys child- survivor"?
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X_Dante_X posted...

i'm town though

Survivor is not town tho. We've literally just spent all day going over this
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X_Dante_X posted...

i claim destinys child - survivor

town

##vote: dante
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

reviver bitches

Autocorrect -_-
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##revive @Alakazamtrainer

I am town river birches
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Vote:Blade

Has to be him.

You are dead so im not going to trust you
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DonnyG posted...

davidponte posted...

You tell him

You'll have to quote it. He blocked me for calling out his bullshit too often

^5 me too!
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Not in
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Jakyl25 posted...

Zero Orange Dictators Issue Any Cages act

I know cruz's dad would support that act.
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I only took umbrage with you saying turbopuns2 posted...

then revealing power later.

He revealed something sure but it was unrelated to his actual powers.

To the point of not admitting that he saved the same person the vig shot at.
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turbopuns2 posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I don't recall zam doing that :/

Not the cop part, obviously. The claiming vanilla day 1 as power then revealing power later.

He didn't even do that. Not really.

He revealed his role but then lied about his actions which did significantly more harm than doing nothing at all.
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Im still disappointed red -_-
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turbopuns2 posted...

the reader may find it interesting to note that I, as town cop, did what Alazakam did last game. forced myself into a situation to claim day 1 and claimed vanilla. then it was mylo and I had a guilty scan and people wouldn't follow me. :-(

I don't recall zam doing that :/
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KokoroAkechi posted...

It would be during the tgt era because thats when it happened to me. So you only have to worry about tgt and before. Standard didnt start until old gods iirc.

So
Classic + Basic + Naxxramus + GvG + BRM + TGT
And The minions that have been put into hall of fame from that time.

59 + 151 + 25 + 95 + 23 + 100 + 6
Azure Drake, Coldlight Oracle, Old Murk-eye, Sylvanas, Ragnaros and Molten Giant being the 6 HoF cards.

459 minions.

2 / 459 chances to get either tirion or jaraxxus on the first portal
1 / 459 to get specifically the other one on the second

2 in 210,681 to get specifically those 2 over 2 portals.

The chance of getting specifically those 2 in two consecutive games would be those odds squared or:
4 out of 44,386,483,761 (roughly 1 in 11 billion)

But realistically you can just stick with the 2 in 210,681 because that's the chance of the second games portals specifically matching the first games portals, which could have been any two random minions unless you were specifically aiming for Tirion/Jaraxxus from the outset. Because that first game could have been sylvanas and king krush and you'd have been just as impressed if the second game matched specifically those 2.
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KokoroAkechi posted...

What are the chances during tgt that two mages in a row unstable portal into exactly Tirion AND Juraxus?

Wild or Standard?
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turbopuns2 posted...

Alrighty then we have reached an impasse.

I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.
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Or the game gets called a billion times because that's how it works and scum/survivor win a billion times.

Yes, you could force everyone to talk it out. Or you could say "Scum outnumbers town. Survivor is only in it for himself so he doesn't count. Scum wins."

Presumably the game will have been balanced with 1 less scum in that scenario to account for a survivor at endgame so I don't see that being an unfair result.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

The distinction is that at 2-2 it is impossible for scum to be lynched if they are playing to win

If you give the survivor the same benefit of the doubt that you are giving scum in that scenario then they would automatically fulfill their wincon.
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For the sake of mafia equaling town is the same at outnumbering town.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Not to mention if scum faction claims, survivor can decide to turn on them.

This is where I'm not sure I agree. Survivor's prime directive is to win with whichever side wins, right? So why would they not automatically count as achieving their win condition in that scenario?

Imagine a day that starts with 5 people.

Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Scum
Scum Vig (still has shot).

If vanilla is lynched, game is over right? You don't say "well, if he wanted to, the scum vig could shoot his scummate, so since he has the free will to play completely opposed to his win condition we have to play on!

Edit: Suprak beat me to it.
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So he coined out the spooder-maker.

And then got all 3 spooders in a row.

Opening Hand = 4 cards + Coin.
Turn 1 = draw a card (25 left in deck)
Turn 2 = draw a card (24 left in deck)
Turn 3 = draw a card, coin out guy and put 3 additional cards in deck. (26 cards in deck)

3 / 26 * 2 / 25 * 1 / 24 = 6 / 15600

or 1 in 2600

That's not even close to some of the odds that ulti has claimed have occurred to him. Gonna have to try a lot harder than turn 4 triple ambush.
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I'd be interested in those resources as well.

Currently hovering between ranks 4-2, but the grind is on hold while I have fun with the new arena cards. Currently 5-1 in a rogue draft that I wasn't expecting much from, but 2x envenom weapon with 2x dejavu and 1x that-guy-that-prevents-weapon-durability-reduction has resulted in some very clean wins so far. Only 1x guy that steals top card from opponent's deck and 1x stasis dragon to round out the rest of my unique cards (with the 2 dejavu), but I could see this cracking 10 pretty easily.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

No one enjoys dice rolling to determine wins.

And yet here you are, claiming to do exactly that.
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Giant's give up a 2 run lead in the 9th.

To the marlins.

Against a shitty or average team? Play even shittier.

Against a legit team? Win the series.

This has been a frustrating season thus far.
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I'm going to estimate I've spent at least 5 hours on calls/holds with various agencies regarding this. Really hoping it resolves with the new (old) plan starting successfully.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

I do. In my games mafia's win con is control the vote. If they are even with town and there is a survivor, mafia does not control the vote.

So 2 mafia + 2 town + 1 survivor is not mafia victory?
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I agree with Corrik.

My understand is that the Survivor's directive to win with whichever side makes it a tacitly pro-scum role and if Scum + Survivor equals town then the game is over.
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CoolCly posted...

Were you covered by the free insurance? If you didn't cancel a plan even if you don't qualify for it then I could see it causing problems.

I didn't think so.

I knew I was covered in 2015-2016, because I applied in 2015 to be covered to 2016.

And I allowed it to lapse from there because I knew that I was already going to be personally out of range just from my own income, and I was engaged and knew that jointly we would not qualify as well.

So I had every reason to believe that I was done with Medi-Cal and they were done with me.

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Even so though, if you have a phone plan with company A and you start a new plan and transfer your phone number over to company B then your plan with A gets cancelled (and you pay early termination fees if applicable). Plan A doesn't show up and cancel B for no reason. Clearly you were done with A if you were starting something new with B. Especially if the information from plan A is several years old, they would have even less reason to interject.
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Yeah CC was a breeze to get set up and i was very pleased with the plans available.

Then Medi-Cal showed up and torpedoed it.

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I think its "resolved" now.

But thev resolution is that i purchased the same plan i had before at nearly the same price i had before. But that's not exactly the same thing as "reactivating" the plan i had before. I guess ill find out if i have the same policy number i had before when blue shield processes us in 7-10 business days.

But to see the right plan as an option i had to switch from last year's exact financial figures to 'close approximations' based on our checks so far this year. Hopefully i won't get screwed in reconciliation come tax time -_-
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Yeah I'm sure there is some sort of inherent "logic" that dictates things getting handled the way they did, it's just frustrating being a victim of it.

New information:

-We entered a certain amount of income when we applied, it qualified us for some nice plans.

-Medi-Cal "fixed" our income to some other amount for some reason.

-Now upon refixing our income to the correct amount it is not giving us nearly the same plans as options as we had before. Because apparently instead of just starting us back with the plan we had we have to "buy" health insurance again instead of just reactivating the plan we were previously on.

Whyyyyy
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Peace___Frog posted...

That's the only chain of events i can see causing this, but I'm no expert on the individual market. I guess there could also be some mixup if the first company is a subsidiary of the BCBS, since companies under the same umbrella are sometimes even worse at communicating than competitors.

They definitely have mentioned multiple times that they are at least partially connected.

So it registered with Medi-Cal when I signed up with Covered CA and it registered that I was listing a different income than I listed in 2015.

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But at that point there should be some logic involved. It should have been something along the lines of:

"Oh his income is too high for us, and he signed up for a plan that doesn't involve us. So we can just close our book on him"

Because that would make sense given the circumstances. The only scenario in which it would require follow up would be

"Okay, well his income is too high now, but he's used our service a bunch of times so we need to find out when his income changes because that could affect the amount we've paid out."

But I never used their services so that's a moot point :/
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I'm at the step of trying to get Covered Ca / Blue Shield turned back in.

I call in.

I spend 25 minutes trying to get the poor guy on the same page as me. He has to put me on hold like 6 times while he figures it out. It takes much longer than it probably should, but at least he's finally on the same page.

"Okay, we can try to turn it back on now I just need you to confirm-" *call drops*.

I wait a few minutes expecting him to call back, because that's what you are supposed to do in a call center when the call drops. But nothing. I'm sure he just didn't want to deal with my issue, but now I have to go through the whole thing AGAIN with the next person.
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red13n posted...

I was like, "you know, I want to make sure I have an insurance plan before I cancel my current insurance plan" because that would make sense.

And then they were like "lol no" except they don't inform you via phone or email or anything and instead just do random shit.

1 billion percent this.
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Well it apparently is only a problem because i signed up for Medi-Cal in 2015-2016 when my income was low enough that I qualified for it.

And as far as I knew medi-cal has been out of the picture for the past 2 years. Until it decided to emerge from the shadows for reasons I still can't wrap my head around.

But if you've never been on the free insurance then it should be a non issue? Otherwise I guess you have to pre-emptively cancel your free insurance before you start paying for insurance, but I'm not sure how you are supposed to know that in advance.
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-April, 2018-

FD: I'm signing up for health insurance, yippee!

Covered California : Your combined income is too high for Medi-Cal (free insurance), but here are the plans we can offer you! (lists plans)

FD: Okay great, I'll take that one! (selects a plan)

Covered California: Okay great, here you go! (gives FD the Blue Shield plan he selected)

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-May 31st, 2018-

Medi-Cal: OH WHAT THE?! YOU DON'T QUALIFY FOR US ANYMORE? AND YOU SIGNED UP FOR A PLAN THAT DIDN'T INVOLVE US IN ANY WAY? WELL HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE. YOU NEED TO SEND US PROOF THAT YOU DON'T QUALIFY FOR US, BUT LIKE YESTERDAY. WE"RE JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CANCEL YOUR COVERED CA / BLUE SHIELD PLAN WHILE WE WAIT FOR YOU TO PROVE THAT YOU DON'T QUALIFY FOR US. BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO TELL YOU THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, YOU ARE JUST GOING TO RECEIVE A LETTER IN THE MAIL LETTING YOU KNOW YOUR NEW HEALTH INSURANCE ISN'T ACTIVE ANYMORE AND YOU WONT KNOW WHY. GOOD LUCK, SUCKER.

Fin.

As near as I can tell that is a completely accurate retelling of what happened. And over the past couple weeks i've had to call everyone and their mother to try and diagnose what caused the insurance to stop working.

I still can't for the life of me figure out why no longer qualifying for something unrelated has caused it to stop working or why I need to submit proof that I no longer qualify for the unrelated. I fully understand having to prove if I did qualify and was trying to receive benefits, but this is just to show that I don't.

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Edit: Oh and it still isn't even resolved yet. I've submitted proof to the unrelated medi-cal that they requested, but I still need the other parties to get the greenlight to restart my services.
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Sign
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Shonen_Bat posted...

clap your hands

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foolm0r0n posted...

Scare lived through N3 also. There were so many reasons for you to believe I was town but it seems like you wanted me dead.

In this scenario you would have tried and failed to kill scare on night 2, either confirming for you that town had a second protection, or that scare was lying with his insinuated protection. (You might at this point suspect his hints were just him drawing a shot as town bp) Either way if you tried and failed n2 you don't shoot scare again n3 or until you know why you failed.

And while there were other reasons to think you were town, but Zam's lie nullified my hard guarantee that you couldnt possibly be scum.

The amount im willing to do to defend "probably town" is much much less than the lengths i would go for "couldn't possibly be scum in this universe or any other".
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foolm0r0n posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

But no, those were a lie that literally served as the only reason i doubted foolmo.

Why would you doubt me because of his claim? That sounds like a dumb excuse

As i explained previously, my being convinced of you hinged on your interaction with scare and the fact that scare was not killed on night 2.

1) you and scare had your little doctor interaction on day 2.

2) scare was not killed on night 2.

3) therefore foolmo could not have been scum.

At this point my belief is that scare was doctor and that you and i knew about it.

Come to find out that scare claims backup instead of doctor.

And then zam claims doctor.

And then zam claims to have saved Scare on the very same night where his survival convinced me of your innocence.

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Do you see how that pokes a potential hole in the reason why i was convinced about you? Especially since we knew there was a scum extra kill at some point that we never saw evidence of.

And why im god dang furious at @Alakazamtrainer for LYING for literally no reason?
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Happy father's day everyone!

I hope to be able to celebrate with you all next year, Lord willing.
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The first line makes more sense if the context is that other people have either come to understand about these people or have in some way been one upped by them or that their worth has been proven.

Otherwise i prefer the second line.
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

I was saving face. Literally my opinion of who I save trumps everyone elses.

No one was in any position to question your claimed actions. You were an uncontested town doctor.

Your timing on your claim was already incredibly bad, why would you feel the need to compound that by lying for no reason?
And to think i was starting at least see the silver lining on your badly timed claimed actions since you got yourself modkilled so at least you told us your actions beforehand.

But no, those were a lie that literally served as the only reason i doubted foolmo.

God damn it none of it makes any sense.
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foolm0r0n posted...

top

tier

doctor

play

not even jokin

No. You must be joking because there is nothing top about that doctor play.

I won't accept that he was pretending to be bad so scum would leave him around. He was just actually being bad with an unintended good side effect of being left alone by scum.
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VeryInsane posted...

Oh

Zam lied about his night action targets

He targeted Puns N1 And Chris N2 and I guess because he didnt want to admit he saved scum

Is this true?
Is this actually fucking true?

@Alakazamtrainer

You mean to say you claimed doctor for literally no damn reason at the end of a foregone day and made up bullshit actions that managed to specifically unconfirm my otherwise unshakeable faith in foolmo?
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foolm0r0n posted...

I am annoyed that you totally didn't defend me at all D5 and then tried to execute my exact same NL plan D6 like nothing. If I was alive maybe we could've gotten it done, but you let me die.

If I didn't have that reason to doubt you then i absolutely would have. But i still had information to gain from your flip such as confirming Corrik beyond a doubt. As opposed to the following day where the only choice was to lynch an unscanned which is an inherent risk with no measurable upside.
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foolm0r0n posted...

cresc

This is something scum could easily do to avoid giving actual contributions of their own.

Yes which is why I strongly felt FD was godfather. Still was highly valuable though.

The thing people don't seem to understand is that I put together the "knowledge dumps" for myself. I approach things very logically and it is helpful to me to try and put this in as much order as i can so i can view things objectively. It helps me cut through the chaos that others seem to thrive on.

I think the most successful of those efforts in this past game was when i came to the conclusion that scare and foolmo were both town based on an interaction i noticed while putting together the claims list. Unfortunately for foolmo, scare was saved on night 2 which gave me a reason to doubt him, otherwise id have defended his mislynch to the very end.

I presumably could just make the lists for my eyes only and not share them with anyone else but that seems pretty anti town.
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Paramore twitter mafia?
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There is a good chance that you are not keeping it on mulligan in control mirrors like you are supposed to so i don't feel bad for you.

There is also a good chance you are lying about 6 / 100 to begin with.
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MariaTaylor posted...

playing a deck that just completely obliterates kingsbane rogue and then keep getting matched against kingsbane rogue over and over again

oh yes

Which deck is that?
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