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Nanahara715 posted...

The argument "We'll have only two MLs left" is objectively terrible.

only if you don't care about town.

2 is less than 3.

We have 3 today.

We have a chance of having only 2 tomorrow by lynching someone today.

Our chance of a successful lynch goes up with more information.

We will still have 3 MLs tommorow if we NL today.

We will also have more information tomorrow if we NL today.

Even if we execute the same exact lynch tommorow that you want to do today it will be a more educated attempt.
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My Immortal posted...

Having read all your arguments FD I remain unconvinced to NL today.

To echo and add to Nanas point it feels you are trying to distract the day and also keep my pool of unscanned targets to pick from tonight bigger.

Or donk is your teammate and you are trying to distract us from him.

I don't give 2 shits about donk.

That doesn't mean anything.

If you are the real scanner.

And if scum is targeting scanners tonight ( which is not 100%) then the size of your "pool of scan targets" is utterly irrelevant. If you die tonight we don't get your result so who cares?

Here is what i see:

we have 3 MLs left to lose today and we possess a certain amount of information, at least some of which is true.

If we NL today we will STILL have 3 MLs to lose but will invariably possess more information with which to base our lynch on.

Any other plan has a chance to burn one of our MLs in return for the same information we could have had access to for free.

Reducing your pool of targets by 1 is infinitely less valuable than the number of MLs until we lose. And waiting any longer to utilize our free NL will simply involve using the NL when it actually has no potential upside for town's information.

You guys are ignoring the basic logic inherent in our situation today. I can't even begin to understand how no one else is seeing what im seeing.
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~C~ FD
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htaeD posted...

anyway,. with your assumption that both scanners are town
scum will still kill me first
why?
because my info is now outdated, everyone already sees Corrik as town and Shad is dead
Mi's information is vital, scum will never kill him if he is town and its too late for them to make a difference now

I assume by this you mean they would not kill MI first because of how it would confirm MIs actions for us tomorrow?

If so i disagree with the logic three. Killed or not it should not much affect our belief in MIs claimed scans.

If MI is town they are legit scans.
If MI is scum then they are pretend scans, but MI would give the correct results to appear legit.

If MI claims to scan a vanilla as guilty they are going to say something.

But this is all beside the point that the scenario is not made worse by a NL. Just a remark on the perceived validity of the cop scans.
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htaeD posted...

also I dont like FD threatening Arti there

If arti is going to make a point to campaign for no lynches on day 1 then he deserves to take flak for not supporting this obviously beneficial one.
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~C~ FD
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htaeD posted...

see, what I am getting at is that it feels like we are only delaying a lynch we have to make

But we are not getting one mislynch closer to destruction while doing it.

And even in your 'doomsday' scenario, we would still be approaching the lynch tomorrow with the 100% knowledge of your alignment.

To me that's better than we stand today.
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~C~ FD
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And with that it's time for bed. I've said all i can say about this. If you think you have a scenario where no lynching is actually harmful (and not just the same as a correct lynch) then feel free to @ me and I'll tell you why you are wrong.

Otherwise I'm going to spend any available time I have tomorrow in the logs. Scum probably still thinks they can get me lynched with the amount of GF shade that's been thrown my way so I'm not too worried about being bumped off. I want to be prepared for the days to come.

##Unvote:

##Vote: No Lynch

See. It's easy.
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~C~ FD
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Panthera posted...

A lynch narrows his number of potential targets down by one. His odds of being shot by scum if he's town aren't any different unless we lynch a scum and it changes their teams kill priority (if both scanners are town and the non-GF gets lynched, Death would be a bigger threat than MI, for example), which is a good thing anyway. We're not lynching Death or MI today so their scanning potential for tonight is only changed by the number of people they have to chose from

It isn't just about the scan we'll get from them and making it ever so slightly better, it's about putting town in the best spot to win the game.

And a no lynch today does not put us in a worse spot to win the game. But it does have the potential to put us into a much better spot to win the game, or at least the same spot.

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let me be clear, if the numbers were not lined up the way they are now where we are in this situation with a half-lynch to give then I would not be campaigning for this so hard. And that falls squarely on Zam's shoulders. It was his MK that put us here, or else we'd be 4 lynches from losing and there would be no good reason to NL because the downside of a NL (reducing the Mislynch-To-Lose-Number) would vastly outweigh the upside of the potential night actions remaining. But he DID get modkilled and we ARE in this position so it IS the right play.

Donker can be lynched just as easily tomorrow.

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Arti: You are are champion of day 1 no lynches. You should recognize a good NL when you see one and you should not shy away from it. If you do not NL today I will be convinced you are scum.

MI and Death: You are (or at least claim to be) town scanners. Your best chance to get information today is to no lynch. Even a correct lynch will probably make scum more likely to kill you, and if we can just as easily do the same correct lynch tomorrow then by no lynching we preserver the chance that scum feels like they have to leave both of you alive in the even that we lynch the town-one-of-you. If you want to help town with your action you must no lynch.

Literally-Everyone-Else: If you have read all this and you still aren't convinced then I'm not sure what else I can say. No Lynch is the play today. We have a course of action that minimizes our risk and preserves our best chance to win. We need to take it.
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Panthera posted...

How does not lynching today give Death a better opportunity to scan

Suppose we lynch, and are wrong. Now we are in tomorrow, 2 lynches from defeat, and scum has the opportunity to trade one of their own (via scanner gambit) to take us to 1 lynch from defeat.

But suppose we don't lynch. Now if scum want's to trade (via scanner gambit), it only takes ut to 2 lynches from defeat.

OR scum has to consider that by leaving the real scanner alive they can perpetuate the current status quo of us having 2 scanners and not being convinced they are both town, which could result in us lynching the wrong one. But to make that play they have to not kill the scanners, thus increasing the odds we get information.

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It gets a bit tricky if BOTH scanners are legit, but even in that scenario we want to no lynch today.

So let's assume both scanners are town. Let's assume we no lynch.

What does scum do? Let's say they kill one. Well shit, that's a dead scanner, but at least tomorrow we KNOW all of their intel was correct and the actions they claimed was reliable. That will be helpful. And naturally we will be very suspicious of the remaining scanner, perhaps even to the point of lynching them (which I think wouldn't be a terrible move, because I still would say the odds favor only one and not both of them being down). But in this scenario they are both town, so one scanner dies tonight, and we lynch the other tomorrow. Which sucks, but now that scanner's actions are confirmed too! And we have 2 mislynches remaining.

So we go from
8 vs 2.
No lynch.
8 vs 2
Scum kills a scanner
7 vs 2
We suspect the other one and lynch them, but they were town (oh no)
6 vs 2
scum kills someone else (corrik is the obvious choice)
5 vs 2

Now we're at 5 vs 2 after our failure to believe that both scanners are town (which is a reasonable mistake to make since it's probably not true, but again, hypothetically right now it is). So even in that disaster of a scenario, we still have a mislynch to give and we gained an extra night action from whichever scanner they didn't kill tonight.

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But in the more likely scenario that only 1 scanner is town then if scum kills the town scanner tonight and we follow that same logic the following day then we get the "free" kill on the scum scanner tomorrow without having the potential of a mislynched vanilla today. So we'll break it down the other way.

Today
8 vs 2.
No Lynch
8 vs 2.
Scum kills scanner.
7 vs 2.
We don't believe the other scanner like before and lynch them. They were scum. yay!
7 vs 1.
Scum kills not-scanner (RIP Corrik)
6 vs 1.

Still 3 mislynches away from defeat. But if we prefaced this scenario with a mislynch vanilla today we're in much worse shape.

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I'm not seeing a SINGLE scenario in which we are actually worse off by no lynching today.

There are a good many scenarios in which we are the same off if you compare A-Correct-Lynch-Today to NoLynch-Today-And-CorrectLynch-Tomorrow. But even then we're not worse off, just the same off.

And a good many scenarios in which we are better off by waiting a day, or at least ever so slightly more informed.
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htaeD posted...

also if we NL today,than we're only postponing dealing with MI and his scans, seeing as how he still has 3 targets left

We are literally just adding some amount of information to our decision before we risk a mislynch. Its a postponement with purpose.

Hell, Death, you supposedly have a scan tonight. Why wouldn't you of all people want the best opportunity to use it??

Scum doesn't kill you tonight. Or if they do and you are actually town then we kill MI for virtue of having too many scanners and we are able to reach that point with 3 mislynches remaining instead of potentially only 2.

You and MI should be MOST on board with NL.
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htaeD posted...

honestly if Puns is scum we have 4 options anyway, since I cant see him actually giving us his scumpartner
so if we lynch someone today, tomorrow:

Puns has been dead since day 2.

htaeD posted...

4. we nolynch, but thats pointless at this stage of the game

It is literally not pointless today.
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~C~ FD
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We will only gain information tonight. Either in scans themselves or 100% confirmation of the scans that have have already been claimed.

Literally no reason not to do it.
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Arti posted...

And we can still no lynch tomorrow if needed regardless of what happens with our lynch today, and still save a mislynch that way.

My assumption is that MI is the real scanner and Death is lying. In the event that im wrong about death though, waiting a day garners us nothing. A NL today gives death a chance at a night action. A NL tommorow does not.
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Arti posted...

We still get this regardless of whether we NL or lynch someone today. You might be confusing the amount of mislynches we have like Corrik was before.

That is not accurate.

If we lynch correctly today then we get that situation and we are 3 mislynches from defeat.

If we NO LYNCH today then we get that situation and are 3 mislynches from defeat.

If we lynch incorrectly then it depends on if we were aiming for vanilla or power but even if we get that situation we will only have 2 mislynches remaining.

In that situation scum can then scanner gambit and trade one of themselves for another mislynch and we're down to our last mislynch.

Do you see the difference between those situations?
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~C~ FD
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Yes!
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~C~ FD
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Even if you suppose our next lynch is going to be on an unscanned vanilla its still beneficial to NL since we aren't losing a mislynch by doing so.

Either we'll get another MI scan first or MI will be killed which will at least remove the doubt some have in MI before we go through with it.

Even if its the same exact unscanned-vanilla-test tomorrow it will be better informed with no downside to waiting.
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~C~ FD
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Either it is a damning gambit causing a mislynch (and in turn their lynch) or a neutral scan we can later use to try to guess at their motives.

In either case it is something more than the nothing we would get otherwise.
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Nanahara715 posted...

No it's not. If ANYTHING, NL is the logical play TOMORROW. You don't blow an NL when you have one in your pocket until the latest possible time, preferably on a 3 on 1 situation. You definitely don't fucking blow it in a likely 8 on 2.

3 on 1 is a utterly shitty time to NL.

Scum kills whoever is most confirmed and leaves alive 1 person who will be more likely to suspect the other person.

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Currently by NL we stand to either gain an actual night action or a fake night action.

At 3 vs 1 by NL we stand to gain nothing at all. We just let scum dictate the 1 vs 2 in the most favorable way for themselves.

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Panthera posted...

FD, what made you feel Deadpool was terrible but not as much as Zam back on day 1? Your description of him "sounding scummish" but not "sounding scum" like you thought Zam did seems like an odd distinction, especially when your post suggests you were fine with the Deadpool lynch anyway. If both guys were scum in your eyes what made you prioritize one over the other?

It was the perspective that i was reading from their posts. Prof had some terrible posts, but they were terrible posts that i could see being made by town. Prof had posts that were not just bad but were bizarre. Put when i framed those posts as coming from someone with knowledge of others' alignments they became much more sensible.

So i saw bad posts that might have been town on onec side and illogical bad posts that made more sense coming from scum. That was the distinction.

And my break is over, back ti work.
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Any lynch carries with it an inherent risk of taking us to 2 mislynches to lose. Combine that with a potential scanner gambit/trade and we can easily be at 1 lynch to lose.

NL is the logical play today.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

FD, can you give your thoughts on this post you made at the end of Day 1

At the time i made that post it made sense to me.

Zam managed to never sound like he was speaking from the perspective of town nearly the entire game and i don't feel bad about being wrong about him on day 1.

Prof made obviously terrible posts but as others had already clarified his inaccuracies by the time i posted it was enough just to say that his lynch was good but not as good as zams.

I never had a good read on Chris but i was confident that a town Chris gets mafia'd early in the game and with better options available i didn't want to risk doing scums job for them by saving them a night kill on Chris.

Sceptile i felt didn't say much or at least didn't say anything new. Sceptile seemed to mostly just agree with other people about things they were saying. When foolmo made a post of opinions that some people were critical of i made a point to say i thought posts like that were good and more people should say more. My comment to Sceptile was along those lines.
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~C~ FD
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Scum would tend to have an agenda. At this point in the game scum likely has 1 member that they are willing to sacrifice ( preferably in the name of generating one of the required mislynches. It stands to reason scum also has 1 person they are putting their hopes into who stands a chance to survive at 1 vs 2 if that's where this game is headed.

By "arranging" scans on particular targets scum could be orienting their hope.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Ok so what am I missing? I understand why people feel MI is suspect. What I don't understand is why Death has not really come under any scrutiny?

I made a point to day i would doubt him if foolmo flipped town and i very much do.

If MI bites a bullet after we NL today then i will be very interested in his "scan".
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~C~ FD
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Final Fantasy 8 - Fisherman's Horizon

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htaeD posted...

but Han didnt move night2, when he was blocked, tho

It's not the sort of role that has infinite charges.

If he had a charge it's possible he used it night 1, or it's possible he wasn't even the person sending the kill night 2.
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~C~ FD
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Even considering that NL is the right play.

It has the same chance to get us an extra scan as lynching a non-scanner does. I would say even slightly higher because scum might still figure they can develop a mislynch on a scanner tomorrow. It would be a gamble, but scum got lynched day 1, day 2, day 3 and day 4. If they want to win at all they need to gamble. And so their winning line could be to leave town MI alive, and hope to keep dodging scans in the event that we continue to grow suspicious of MI for not being killed yet.

But even that is besides the point. We will still have 3 MLs to lose tomorrow with a ML.

Any other line carries the risk that we'll only have 2 MLs to lose tomorrow. And if there is a scum scanner who makes the fake claim that we follow through then we are trading 1 of those mislynches for the scum lynch then we're down to 1 lynch to lose.

But by NLing if they try that gambit tomorrow and we trade a ML for the scum scanner's life then we come out the other side with 2 MLs still.

We have the potential to have more information tomorrow, even if that information is "MI got killed last night, so at least we don't have to ML MI today" and we do'nt have the downside of accelerating 1 ML closer to a loss.

I'm not saying there is nothing to talk about, because we can still put this time into reading previous days. Reading what the currently-alive people said about the confirmed scum and confirmed town before they died can still be valuable, it just doesn't have to be for today.
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htaeD posted...

honestly scum still can kill Corrik (and Nana to some extent) before they have to kill unconfirmed players

And that's fine too.

We NL, one of them dies (preferably nana because I'm still not convinced!), and we have more scans. If scum wanted to put us into a position of mislynching a scanner then we can force their hand with a NL.

Also may I take this opportunity to say that I like this DYL a lot better than the old one.
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[LD1] profDeadpool - Kristoph Gavin, Mafia Roleblocker

Blocks roles!
If this scum makes it to late game they can neutralize the town power once they claim intel. Not amazingly powerful, but not insignificant either.

[LD2] turbopuns2 - Matt Engarde, Mafia Kidnapper

Steals someone from the game until the kidnapper! This has the incredible potential to end the game a whole day early if it's nearly to LyLo.

[LD3] DoomTheGyarados (Chris) - Manfred Von Karma, Mafia Bulletproof Ninja Vigilante

We know now that we had both a tracker and a watcher. Well, something resembling a watcher anyways. In addition to being invisible to the tracker/watcher this role also represents the potential for an extra kill.

[LD4] HanOfTheNekos - Garan Sigatar Khurain, Mafia Queen (Stronglady)

The ability to kill someone even if they were protected or you were being blocked. This is the person you call when you want someone removed from the game no matter what.

I'm listing these again to underscore the fact that scum had a pretty stacked team. Just from what we've seen flip we know that they had the potential to take out 3 town in a single night with factional + extra + kidnap.

I think it's silly to assume beyond a doubt that scum even has a godfather. It's certainly possible, yes, because godfather serves as a counterbalance to cop's strength, but it's by no means a requirement. If even death is telling the truth then we have a normal cop, a normal tracker, a weak watcher, and a weak flavor cop. I still think 3 sounds more likely than 4, but it's not out of the question.

In the event that nana is scum then perhaps the 4 scanning roles serves to balance our lack of a townkill. Though we had something resembling a townkill with Lawyer anyways.

It's all well and good to theorize and come up with ideas and weight the ideas based on how likely they are to be true, but we can't get into the trap of getting an idea and refusing to believe that it's NOT true.
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Now, looking at these choices, I still think the correct thing today is a NO LYNCH. We will go into the night phase with both scanners alive, and we will exit the night phase 7 vs 2 which is still 3 mislynches to lose, which is the same level of safety as our best case scenarios from a successful lynch, and is infinitely better than the worse case scenarios of blowing a mislynch today.

Either scum has to leave both scanners alive again to force the issue of picking between them tomorrow (thus getting us another night of info) or the town scanner has to be killed to deny the information and the scum scanner has to make something up.

But even supposing that happens and the scum scanner makes something up, and we lynch someone based on the made up scan (if they gambit) then we are down to 5vs2 but we lynch the false scanner and now it's 4vs1, which is still a very winning play.

Or they give us more intelligence. Either way their is no inherent risk to the NL today. We will still invariably have 3 mislynches remaining and we will either (A) have a scan from the real scanner or (B) we will have confirmation that the real scanner was town without having to (mis)lynch them ourselves to prove it.
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Here are the potential scenarios as I see them!

Scenario 1 - We lynch one of the 2 remaining scanners, and they are town. Scum kills the least likely to be lynched member of town and we have a 6 vs 2 situation. 2 Mislynches remain. In this scenario we screwed up pretty badly. If both scanners are town then scum leaves the 2nd scanner alive as an easier mislynch target, and if one of the scanners is scum we still have to commit to that decision on the following day.

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Scenario 2 - We lynch one of the 2 remaining scanners, and they are scum. Scum will definitely kill the other one at night, but that puts us into a 7 vs 1. 3 Mislynches remain. In this scenario we don't really have scan potential from the town scanner, but that's a worthy trade for what should be an easy end game.

Scenario 3 - We lynch one of the scanned vanillas, and they are town. 6 vs 2 again in this situation after scum has their night kill and only 2 mislynches remain. If one of the scanners is scum then the other dies and the only information we get is the fake scan from the scum scanner. Or if both scanners are town then we could easily be persuaded that the last scanner can't possibly be town, even though we might just be looking at a stronger than average town.

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Scenario 4 - We lynch one of the scanned vanillas, and they are godfather. If there even is a godfather, this would be the ideal situation. It saves us from having to make the difficult decision later to lynch an inno scanned member of town, and it puts us into the 7vs1 end game with 3 mislynches before we lose.

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Scenario 5 - We lynch one of the unscanned vanillas, and they are town. Virtually identical to the other vanilla situation. 6 vs 2 with only 2 mislynches. Scum could possibly leave both scanners alive to create the same mislynch potential we have today.

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Scenario 6 - We lynch one of the unscanned vanillas, and they are scum. This one is slightly different from the other vanilla scenario because we will still have the spectre of godfather lingering over us moving forward. If both scanners get left alive we would still have a legitimate reason to disbelieve MI.

All of those situations carry an inherent risk. They might get us one correct lynch from victory (7 vs 1) or they might get us one step closer to disaster (6 vs 2).

We have 3 groupings to pick from.

-Scanners-
MI
Death

-Scanned Innocent-
FD
Arti
DYL/Panthera

-Not Scanned-
Crescent/SE
Donker
Nana
Sceptile

-Not Scanned But Innocent By Virtue of Being Targeted By Scum On Night 2-
Corrik

2 of those groups likely contain 1 scum. The only group that could possibly contain more than 1 scum would be the Not Scanned group in the event that both scanners are legit.
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Anyways im at my cousins hs graduation which is starting to call names now. Back later
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Corrik posted...

If you leave MI today, he magically comes in with a guilty scan tomorrow to try and convince you to mislynch and lose.

Which would still just be 1 if 3 necessary mislynches at the coat of MIs life. I think that's still a winning play.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Did we seriously fucking lose all the topics?

The logs still exist.
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~C~ FD
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Im having trouble believing MI bussed so thoroughly from day 1. The people being bussed did themselves no favors with their play but it's still an awful gamble. And to claim cop with the ridiculous counter claim potential...

Tracker, neutered watcher and cop i can still buy though. Odd one out is Death who i think actually targeted Corrik on night 2.

2 scum 8 town. Mislynch makes 2 vs 6 tomorrow and then 2vs4 the next.

That Makes today the correct day to NL.

Either scum kills the actual information role and tips their hand or scum kills a vanilla and the real info gets one more action in. It will be an even night so death will have to come up with something.

##Vote: No Lynch
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~C~ FD
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The point being missed is that the brawls like this are not intended to be competitive or strategic. Just...fun.
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~C~ FD
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Went 10 wins with the warlock deck from theb replay I posted early. Both losses at 10 wins had me pretty salty, but i am enjoying how rewarding it is to draft well with the current system.

I drafted what feels like a really good hunter deck after that run which will likely be my last arena run until the event starts in 5 days.

Im pretty hyped for it
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~C~ FD
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I just had a pretty wicked arena game with a ton of RNG highrolling on both sides. I learned something too!

I thought that defile kept spellpower even after the spellpower minion was dead, but apparently not! So i had a pretty bad misplay with that. And my opponent misplayed by committing so much time trying to generate his random legendaries from his discovered sindragosa... But those misplays aside it had a pretty fantastic photo finish!

https://hsreplay.net/replay/Qb46BmKsKMf2kveeDnX52N
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~C~ FD
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Might as well put my name down on something for the first time since day 1

##vote: foolmo
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I would still take 2nd lyra. You have lots of initial triggers with pw:s and if they do have a removal for the fittest one they probably won't stop the 2nd.

Unless you feel like you will typically be behind enough on board to necessitate cairne just to have a sticky minion who will likely mitigate more than 6 manas worth of your opponents tempo.

Its a shame you don't have Even 1 scream though.
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Nanahara715 posted...

You misunderstand what I'm saying- why wouldn't I have just used the factional kill to shoot you?

Because then im the only person who dies that night and you have tp claim responsibility?

I don't understand what you mean.
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Foolmo, Im not scum, but i agree that a single NL makes a good amount of sense. I l feel like your flip is worth more than the actions themselves though. Especially since your claimed power is so weak that the chances of you observing something meaningful at night is next to nil. Id rather have the front loaded knowledge from your alignment.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Why not just have me submit the factional instead in order to perpetuate the farce?

Because its a gambit? In that hypothetical you can't affor to waste the factional kill by actually targeting chros. You would still be reeling from the fiasco of the kidnappinggambit the night before.

Anyways that's not something i wanted to make a focal point. It was jyst to say that i don't consider you 100%.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

(Lowkey "Shooting scum as Vig was a bad shot" as well)

You were adamantly opposed to me that whole day. And yes Chris returned from the kidnap that night but he has also said bp at the beginning even if he somewhat walked it back. So i thought shooting him over me was an odd choice and one that raises the possibility that you never had a shot to begin with.

Not saying likely, just possible

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Nanahara715 posted...

(Lowkey "Shooting scum as Vig was a bad shot" as well)

You were adamantly opposed to me that whole day. And yes Chris returned from the kidnap that night but he has also said bp at the beginning even if he somewhat walked it back. So i thought shooting him over me was an odd choice and one that raises the possibility that you never had a shot to begin with.

Not saying likely, just possible
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My Immortal posted...

What's your scumlist FD?

Fool > DYL > Nana

Fool on account of the lack of explanation for night 2. Also the biggest point i had in favor of fool being town was nullified by the knowledge that scare was saved on night 2. So Zam wasn't completely worthless.

In the even fool flips town then my top scumspect becomes Death under the assumption he is scum role cop and he lied about who hev targeted and when.

Nana has bugged me since bthe night i thought i was going to be vig'D. I don't think chris was a good shot and it would be a "confirmable" fake action after Chris flipped BP. But i have a hard time justifying Nana claiming vig as scum to begin with so that makes nanac seem legit. This one is shaky but we have at most 2 scum left anyways so its w/e. I just don't think nana is "confirmed" based on the events thus far.

And DYL is the weakest of the vanillas. This is based more on gut though and warrants an iso when i have the time.

And that's where im at right now.
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My apologies for my scarceness today. I got stuck on a double shift and before that started ive been trying to figure out why my health insurance plan was deactivated without warning.

Suffice to say this was not a great example of a ful length day resulted in more activity but at least we have SE at least somewhat up to speed.
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In fairness a scum coached answer would have been just to tell us we were full of crap.

@ColZach

Corrik does this thing where he puts a replacement on the spot to justify something their slot said earlier. The idea being to evoke a genuine response or give them an opportunity to hang themselves.

Like when he lied to you when you replaced into the game.

When that happens you do not freely feed the person answers by correcting him.

With that said its a pretty mediocre gambit and i would be surprised to ever see it out scum, but even still you let it run its course.
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ColZach posted...

Am in incorrect in reminding you that Sceptile had claimed bodyguard? If I remember right, Crescent had not claimed ever

I think you're confused, it was definitely Crescent. I even had it in my list of claims and implications:

D1-T1-P009 ~ Corrik Claims ROLE: Miller

D1-T1-P013 ~ Chris Claims ROLE: Bulletproof

D1-T1-P019 ~ Scare Claims ROLE: Bulletproof (eye contact while rubbing nips. Likely a joke claim)

D1-T1-P116 ~ Corrik Claims FLAVOR: Winston Payne

D1-T1-P236 ~ Crescent Breadcrumb ROLE: Bodyguard ("I'd guard her body if you know what I mean." a throwaway joke in a larger post)

D1-T1-P350 ~ Alakazam Claims FLAVOR: Trucy Wright
D1-T1-P350 ~ Alakazam Claims ROLE: Vanilla

D1-T2-P355 ~ Corrik Breadcrumb ROLE: Cop

D1-T3-P239 ~ Prof Claims FLAVOR: Wendy Oldbag
D1-T3-P239 ~ Prof Claims ROLE: Vanilla
~Fictional Paraphrase Given: No real talents means I can only yell at people.~

D1-T4-P124 ~ Foolmo Claims ROLE: Doctor ("im doc" with a minute left in day. Joke?)

So why do you think Crescent said that, SE? Now is not the time to withhold information.
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That is a significant enough difference that I could consider 1, but would not entertain the idea of 3 unless something utterly compelling occurred that made it seem like the better play. But based on what's already been claimed I can't imagine what that would even be.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Wow you're still doing it

Because its still bullshit that y'all have made it more difficult for me to participate and then imply that im not participating enough.

Especially since its got a cumulative effect. By ending day 2 early you made less to look back on for day 3. Which results in less being said in day 3 which also ended early... And so forth. So not only did we have 72 hours of less being said but now we have less to look back on to exonerate or implicate others

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foolm0r0n posted...

Okay so you think when I flip town that implicates Death. How do you feel about NL?

I feel like that will depend on who died and what scans (or "scans") did get through. But i would be open to the idea since 1 NL will not affect the number of mislynches required to lose.

Unless scum has a role that gains an extra kill if it survives 5 nights or something, but that isn't worth hypothesizing. -_-
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And assuming that crescent is the replacement here i would have more crescent posts to look back upon if the days weren't so short.
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I am posting plenty and i would have more posts to analyze from previous days if we had not ended them so early.

I actually have a chance to get a post in at work which is what i did. And im spending time in the logs as well.

I don't appreciate being told that im doing nothing when i am in fact doing things and when i would have had more opportunity to do things previously but you lot screwed that up.
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