Current Events > Can anyone make an actual argument as to why conceal carry is a good idea?

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Imagine the guy in the checkout line who yells GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY having a handgun on him 24/7.

Imagine the type of person who cant keep their cellphone screen from cracking having a handgun in their purse.

Enlighten me as to why people like that should be able to be in public with guns.

Well to be fair maybe they should go back
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Fishy posted...

Well to be fair maybe they should go back

Well to be fair shut up
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Fishy posted...

Well to be fair maybe they should go back

So in your world a guy just tying to make a living as a cashier should go back to his country just because ole billy bob doesnt like how fast hes ringing up his beef jerky?

mustang90 posted...

Fishy posted...

Well to be fair maybe they should go back

So in your world a guy just tying to make a living as a cashier should go back to his country just because ole billy bob doesnt like how fast hes ringing up his beef jerky?

Billy Bob is an offensive name.
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Because tons of people responsibly carry with no incident?

Like how many crimes have been committed by someone who had conceal carry that they wouldn't have just illegally had a gun otherwise?

Conversely, how many people have stopped a robbery, rape, murder, loitering, etc, by having a concealed weapon? I know a couple people that were attempted mugged in a parking lot or whatever but the guy ran off once they saw the gun.
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mustang90 posted...

So in your world a guy just tying to make a living as a cashier should go back to his country just because ole billy bob doesnt like how fast hes ringing up his beef jerky?

In my world we don't hire illegals to do our shit jobs for slave wages
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Because Im well trained with a handgun and have military experience that would help me to protect myself and others with a gun should the situation ever arise.

There are many like me.

Why concealed? It's like people don't want others to know about their guns so there's a higher chance of being put in a position to have to use them.

GregShmedley posted...

Two, people live in areas where there is a possibility to be jumped, mugged, raped, etc. Concealed carry isn't just for the often mocked and hypothetical scenario of stopping a mass shooting--it is for self defense. Not everyone is physically capable of taking on someone who intends to harm them, or the attacker has a weapon, or multiple threats.

Exactly. And like in my examples, no one fires a shot, just it being revealed is a pretty good deterrent.
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The only remotely logical reason I can come up with is that if someone trying to harm you, others, or committing a crime near you, they won't see the gun. So you might have the element of surprise
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gamer167 posted...

Because Im well trained with a handgun and have military experience that would help me to protect myself and others with a gun should the situation ever arise.

There are many like me.

Ok but there are also many unlike you who are unstable and will legally be allowed to be walking time bombs.

The Top Crusader posted...

Because tons of people responsibly carry with no incident?

Like how many crimes have been committed by someone who had conceal carry that they wouldn't have just illegally had a gun otherwise?

Conversely, how many people have stopped a robbery, rape, murder, loitering, etc, by having a concealed weapon? I know a couple people that were attempted mugged in a parking lot or whatever but the guy ran off once they saw the gun.

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The Top Crusader posted...

GregShmedley posted...

Two, people live in areas where there is a possibility to be jumped, mugged, raped, etc. Concealed carry isn't just for the often mocked and hypothetical scenario of stopping a mass shooting--it is for self defense. Not everyone is physically capable of taking on someone who intends to harm them, or the attacker has a weapon, or multiple threats.

Exactly. And like in my examples, no one fires a shot, just it being revealed is a pretty good deterrent.

Ok but do you trust that everyone will have the proper training to not accidentally fire the gun when they dont mean to?

mustang90 posted...

Imagine the guy in the checkout line who yells GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY having a handgun on him 24/7.

Imagine the type of person who cant keep their cellphone screen from cracking having a handgun in their purse.

Enlighten me as to why people like that should be able to be in public with guns.

Mostly because we can't restrict people's rights based on their opinions and/or intelligence. Believe me, I'm all for it....there are plenty of people walking around who are too goddamn stupid to exist....but that's now how this country works.
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Do you think they just give people guns and say, Okay.. good luck?

If you haven't been paying attention to the news or social media for the last few years, putting more guns in people's hands is not a good idea.
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Ive got a Louisiana permit. 8 hour class and test was only $178. Cry about it.

mustang90 posted...

gamer167 posted...

Because Im well trained with a handgun and have military experience that would help me to protect myself and others with a gun should the situation ever arise.

There are many like me.

Ok but there are also many unlike you who are unstable and will legally be allowed to be walking time bombs.

Ok, whats the correlation here? If someone is a ticking time bomb they're going to end up hurting someone wether they can carry or not

And are you okay if they open carry since you never mentioned it?
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People in this topic are just making an argument for having guns in general, not for concealed carry, which is what this topic is about. Why should concealed carry be allowed in addition to open carry?
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Fishy posted...

mustang90 posted...

So in your world a guy just tying to make a living as a cashier should go back to his country just because ole billy bob doesnt like how fast hes ringing up his beef jerky?

In my world we don't hire illegals to do our shit jobs for slave wages

people say stuff like that to others all the time, regardless of their legal status
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Dude used a cell phone screen being cracked as a reason why conceal carry shouldnt be a thing.

L O fucking L

So glad you have come out and posted "never take me seriously"
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mustang90 posted...

gamer167 posted...

Because Im well trained with a handgun and have military experience that would help me to protect myself and others with a gun should the situation ever arise.

There are many like me.

Ok but there are also many unlike you who are unstable and will legally be allowed to be walking time bombs.

Guns dont explode though. Lmao GET REKT
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Open carry stops criminals too. Some of you don't want your gun seen because you're hopeful about getting a justification to shoot someone.

KingCrabCake posted...

Dude used a cell phone screen being cracked as a reason why conceal carry shouldnt be a thing.

L O fucking L

So glad you have come out and posted "never take me seriously"

I didn't even understand that part because it was so oddly typed.

I guess he was saying someone could go on a killing spree if they saw that their phone was cracked and they had a gun?

Such a bizzare scenario to come up with and one that doesn't even make any sense when paired with the original question
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You want them to think "This guy isn't armed and that means he's a good target!" and then you get to hurry up and shoot him.

Them being able to see that you have one would also help to prevent an altercation, but that's not as fun.

DyingPancake posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Dude used a cell phone screen being cracked as a reason why conceal carry shouldnt be a thing.

L O fucking L

So glad you have come out and posted "never take me seriously"

I didn't even understand that part because it was so oddly typed.

I guess he was saying someone could go on a killing spree if they saw that their phone was cracked and they had a gun?

Such a bizzare scenario to come up with and one that doesn't even make any sense when paired with the original question

He prolly thinks you have to text first then shoot so maybe the gun having a cracked screen would cause a misfire. I'm actually pretty bummed i forgot to put my gun on the charger last night and now it has low battery


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Fishy posted...

mustang90 posted...

So in your world a guy just tying to make a living as a cashier should go back to his country just because ole billy bob doesnt like how fast hes ringing up his beef jerky?

In my world we don't hire illegals to do our shit jobs for slave wages

So, the prez has been documented hiring tons of illegals and what-not. If you live in the states, it's very prevalent.

On topic: I don't understand the whole concealed carry thing. Most people argue that it'll take the attacker by surprise. Fine. I get that, but wouldn't openly carrying your weapon deter someone from attacking you in the first place?

To me, a concealed carry for a citizen just seems like these people want to stroll around with this huge "gotcha" moment.
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TheGrindery posted...

You want them to think "This guy isn't armed and that means he's a good target!" and then you get to hurry up and shoot him.

Them being able to see that you have one would also help to prevent an altercation, but that's not as fun.

I dont want to get arrested cause my jacket is over my handgun in the winter
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Garioshi posted...

People in this topic are just making an argument for having guns in general, not for concealed carry, which is what this topic is about. Why should concealed carry be allowed in addition to open carry?

It's pretty obvious. Having a gun out in the open generally makes people nervous and would make day to day interactions with other people awkward.

TheGrindery posted...

Open carry stops criminals too. Some of you don't want your gun seen because you're hopeful about getting a justification to shoot someone.

That's a mighty thin branch you're going out on.
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KingCrabCake posted...

DyingPancake posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Dude used a cell phone screen being cracked as a reason why conceal carry shouldnt be a thing.

L O fucking L

So glad you have come out and posted "never take me seriously"

I didn't even understand that part because it was so oddly typed.

I guess he was saying someone could go on a killing spree if they saw that their phone was cracked and they had a gun?

Such a bizzare scenario to come up with and one that doesn't even make any sense when paired with the original question

He prolly thinks you have to text first then shoot so maybe the gun having a cracked screen would cause a misfire. I'm actually pretty bummed i forgot to put my gun on the charger last night and now it has low battery

Are you two being purposefully obtuse? His argument is that if you can't take care of a phone, why should it be a good idea to put a lethal weapon into your hands?
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So often people say on the subject.

"I'm not worried. I've got a gun. I wish a mother fucker WOULD..."

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

mustang90 posted...

Fishy posted...

Well to be fair maybe they should go back

So in your world a guy just tying to make a living as a cashier should go back to his country just because ole billy bob doesnt like how fast hes ringing up his beef jerky?

Billy Bob is an offensive name.

ole billy bob*
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Whose alt is TC? Amp?
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So every fight that ends in one person shooting the other involves a stolen gun?

Eat More Beef posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

DyingPancake posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Dude used a cell phone screen being cracked as a reason why conceal carry shouldnt be a thing.

L O fucking L

So glad you have come out and posted "never take me seriously"

I didn't even understand that part because it was so oddly typed.

I guess he was saying someone could go on a killing spree if they saw that their phone was cracked and they had a gun?

Such a bizzare scenario to come up with and one that doesn't even make any sense when paired with the original question

He prolly thinks you have to text first then shoot so maybe the gun having a cracked screen would cause a misfire. I'm actually pretty bummed i forgot to put my gun on the charger last night and now it has low battery

Are you two being purposefully obtuse? His argument is that if you can't take care of a phone, why should it be a good idea to put a lethal weapon into your hands?

Are you sure thats his argument?

Doesn't really hold up when he's talking about drawing the gun on someone ringing a person up or how they could be "ticking time bombs"

Plus you can take great care of your phone, but that doesn't mean accidents don't happen. With that logic if a person dropped their phone they shouldn't be able to own a gun? It still doesn't make sense
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DyingPancake posted...

Eat More Beef posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

DyingPancake posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Dude used a cell phone screen being cracked as a reason why conceal carry shouldnt be a thing.

L O fucking L

So glad you have come out and posted "never take me seriously"

I didn't even understand that part because it was so oddly typed.

I guess he was saying someone could go on a killing spree if they saw that their phone was cracked and they had a gun?

Such a bizzare scenario to come up with and one that doesn't even make any sense when paired with the original question

He prolly thinks you have to text first then shoot so maybe the gun having a cracked screen would cause a misfire. I'm actually pretty bummed i forgot to put my gun on the charger last night and now it has low battery

Are you two being purposefully obtuse? His argument is that if you can't take care of a phone, why should it be a good idea to put a lethal weapon into your hands?

Are you sure thats his argument?

Doesn't really hold up when he's talking about drawing the gun on someone ringing a person up or how they could be "ticking time bombs"

Plus you can take great care of your phone, but that doesn't mean accidents don't happen. With that logic if a person dropped their phone they shouldn't be able to own a gun? It still doesn't make sense

Would you hand a loaded gun to Barney from Andy Griffith?

People that drop their phones left and right aren't the type I wanna be around if guns are involved.

TheGrindery posted...

DyingPancake posted...

Eat More Beef posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

DyingPancake posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Dude used a cell phone screen being cracked as a reason why conceal carry shouldnt be a thing.

L O fucking L

So glad you have come out and posted "never take me seriously"

I didn't even understand that part because it was so oddly typed.

I guess he was saying someone could go on a killing spree if they saw that their phone was cracked and they had a gun?

Such a bizzare scenario to come up with and one that doesn't even make any sense when paired with the original question

He prolly thinks you have to text first then shoot so maybe the gun having a cracked screen would cause a misfire. I'm actually pretty bummed i forgot to put my gun on the charger last night and now it has low battery

Are you two being purposefully obtuse? His argument is that if you can't take care of a phone, why should it be a good idea to put a lethal weapon into your hands?

Are you sure thats his argument?

Doesn't really hold up when he's talking about drawing the gun on someone ringing a person up or how they could be "ticking time bombs"

Plus you can take great care of your phone, but that doesn't mean accidents don't happen. With that logic if a person dropped their phone they shouldn't be able to own a gun? It still doesn't make sense

Would you hand a loaded gun to Barney from Andy Griffith?

People that drop their phones left and right aren't the type I wanna be around if guns are involved.

I wouldn't give my gun to a fictional character, no.

And who said anything about dropping their phone left and right?

Besides there being no correlation between the two, you're saying you have to basically lead a perfect life to own a gun. Its illogical and does nothing to help your point
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Clumsy people shouldn't have them.

.Garioshi posted...

People in this topic are just making an argument for having guns in general, not for concealed carry, which is what this topic is about. Why should concealed carry be allowed in addition to open carry?

People who are ok with hurting innocent people will also be ok with carrying their gun concealed regardless of what the law is

And a woman who just wants to be able to defend herself in a dangerous part of town shouldn't have to sling a gun around her skirt.
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TheGrindery posted...

Clumsy people shouldn't have them.

So you're afraid of them dropping the gun when the probability of a loaded gun going off when dropped is extremely small? Thats a non-issue

Regardless most people who conceal carry are going to know how to handle their gun because they've trained with it. Its not really relatable to a cell phone. Something which doesn't have a handle
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DyingPancake posted...

So you're afraid of them dropping the gun when the probability of a loaded gun going off when dropped is extremely small? Thats a non-issue

Yeah, most every gun that's sold nowadays is drop-safe. Unless you're carrying around a single-action revolver with a bullet on the hammer, dropping a gun won't set it off.
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KingCrabCake posted...

Dude used a cell phone screen being cracked as a reason why conceal carry shouldnt be a thing.

L O fucking L

So glad you have come out and posted "never take me seriously"

You have one of those thick heads huh? It was a comment about responsibility.

DyingPancake posted...

TheGrindery posted...

Clumsy people shouldn't have them.

So you're afraid of them dropping the gun when the probability of a loaded gun going off when dropped is extremely small? That's a non-issue.

Regardless, most people who conceal carry are going to know how to handle their gun because they've trained with it. It's not really relatable to a cell phone. Something which doesn't have a handle.

You don't know very many accident prone people, do you?

I think everyone should open carry so everyone knows what level they are on.
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