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Caution999
02/15/18 1:01:36 PM
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http://archive.is/9Z5mu

Make of this as you will.

No race baiting on my end - just straight up facts.
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Caution999
02/15/18 1:16:04 PM
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How fascinating. The topic with the boring facts sinks to the bottom because it wasn't race baiting or click baity enough
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soulunison2
02/15/18 1:17:38 PM
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Its funny cuz school shooting is a meme

There are probably a hundred troll accounts saying the same thing on different videos

Hello, a YouTuber named Birdman has a name for those people, Eugenes
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halomonkey1_3_5
02/15/18 1:19:10 PM
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there isnt much to this story

FBI was alerted to a threatening youtube comment months ago

they met with the youtuber who reported the comment and got basically no info because it was some rando on the internet who made a wacked out youtube comment w/no ties to the youtuber

what exactly is there to discuss
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lilORANG
02/15/18 1:19:16 PM
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The FBI Was Warned About A School Shooting Threat From A YouTube User Named Nikolas Cruz In September

I don't like this headline. Makes it sound like Cruz did the warning.
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Giant_Aspirin
02/15/18 1:43:29 PM
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the kid's behavior should have been enough to get him flagged and prevented from buying a gun, is that what you're saying?
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s0nicfan
02/15/18 1:44:43 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
the kid's behavior should have been enough to get him flagged and prevented from buying a gun, is that what you're saying?


Did he even buy the gun? Both his parents died recently, so it could have come from the dad. I don't think a high schooler can just buy an AR by himself (maybe in florida? I dunno).
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KStateKing17
02/15/18 1:47:40 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
the kid's behavior should have been enough to get him flagged and prevented from buying a gun, is that what you're saying?


Did he even buy the gun? Both his parents died recently, so it could have come from the dad. I don't think a high schooler can just buy an AR by himself (maybe in florida? I dunno).

Depends on when it was obtained I guess. He's 19, but I don't recall how long ago he was expelled from school.

Then again I don't think you can buy for yourself until you're 21, but that could vary by state.
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Giant_Aspirin
02/15/18 1:51:54 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Did he even buy the gun?


according to news reports he legally purchased the weapon used in the attack within the last year

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/963977927330291712

s0nicfan posted...
I don't think a high schooler can just buy an AR by himself (maybe in florida? I dunno).


he is 19. the law doesn't care about your status as a student, only age.
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A_Good_Boy
02/15/18 1:53:44 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
It's kind of an odd scenario. Let's say the FBI does successfully ID potential mass shooters, what do we do with them then?

Guide them along a restricted path where the FBI sets up an arms deal with the suspect potential shooter and allow them to incriminate themselves and toss their ass in jail before they can hurt anyone for real?
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DifferentialEquation
02/15/18 2:00:09 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
It's kind of an odd scenario. Let's say the FBI does successfully ID potential mass shooters, what do we do with them then?


What about sending local police over to attempt some sort of communication on the matter to the person or the parents. Obviously, we shouldn't subvert due process or the 4th amendment in any way, but what about the police simply making an attempt at discussing the matter?
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lolife67
02/15/18 2:01:32 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's kind of an odd scenario. Let's say the FBI does successfully ID potential mass shooters, what do we do with them then?

Guide them along a restricted path where the FBI sets up an arms deal with the suspect potential shooter and allow them to incriminate themselves and toss their ass in jail before they can hurt anyone for real?

So, entrapment?
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thelovefist
02/15/18 2:02:48 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
It's kind of an odd scenario. Let's say the FBI does successfully ID potential mass shooters, what do we do with them then?

Don't let them buy a fucking AR-15....
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CruelBuffalo
02/15/18 2:03:17 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's kind of an odd scenario. Let's say the FBI does successfully ID potential mass shooters, what do we do with them then?


What about sending local police over to attempt some sort of communication on the matter to the person or the parents. Obviously, we shouldn't subvert due process or the 4th amendment in any way, but what about the police simply making an attempt at discussing the matter?

Didnt this literally happen with the UCSB shooter?
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A_Good_Boy
02/15/18 2:03:44 PM
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lolife67 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's kind of an odd scenario. Let's say the FBI does successfully ID potential mass shooters, what do we do with them then?

Guide them along a restricted path where the FBI sets up an arms deal with the suspect potential shooter and allow them to incriminate themselves and toss their ass in jail before they can hurt anyone for real?

So, entrapment?

Pretty sure it's only entrapment if the FBI coerces him to do something he otherwise wouldn't. If he's the one looking for a seller and buying it for the purpose of committing a shooting then that's still all on him.
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lolife67
02/15/18 2:03:47 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's kind of an odd scenario. Let's say the FBI does successfully ID potential mass shooters, what do we do with them then?


What about sending local police over to attempt some sort of communication on the matter to the person or the parents. Obviously, we shouldn't subvert due process or the 4th amendment in any way, but what about the police simply making an attempt at discussing the matter?

waste of resources/manpower. There are quite a few reports like this that go to the FBI/police and most, thankfully, don't turn out to be anything. Sending agents/officers out to each one of these isn't feasible.
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Bluebomber182
02/15/18 2:04:03 PM
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"fbi was too busy focusing on fake news like trump & russia to stop a school massacre"
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CruelBuffalo
02/15/18 2:05:18 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's kind of an odd scenario. Let's say the FBI does successfully ID potential mass shooters, what do we do with them then?

Don't let them buy a fucking AR-15....


Well I dont think Trump would support that. He got rid of Obamas partial restriction on people with mental health getting firearms
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lolife67
02/15/18 2:05:31 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Pretty sure it's only entrapment if the FBI coerces him to do something he otherwise wouldn't. If he's the one looking for a seller and buying it for the purpose of committing a shooting then that's still all on him.

You said "leading him down a restricted path." In other words, making it easier for him to commit said crime/enticing him to do so.

And, again, this is no more than heresay and they get reports like this all the time. Expecting them to react to everyone isn't realistic.
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Mal_Fet
02/15/18 2:06:16 PM
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This guy is the reason we need to bring back compulsory internment into an asylum.
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A_Good_Boy
02/15/18 2:09:33 PM
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lolife67 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Pretty sure it's only entrapment if the FBI coerces him to do something he otherwise wouldn't. If he's the one looking for a seller and buying it for the purpose of committing a shooting then that's still all on him.

You said "leading him down a restricted path." In other words, making it easier for him to commit said crime/enticing him to do so.

And, again, this is no more than heresay and they get reports like this all the time. Expecting them to react to everyone isn't realistic.

That's not what I said at all but OK.
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halomonkey1_3_5
02/15/18 4:09:49 PM
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yeah I do wonder what would happen if these people were contacted in a non-threatening manner by police and given resources on how to get mental help if they need it

ofc that would require some changes to how we view the police and would require actual commitment to mental health so its a pipe dream
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Ivynn
02/15/18 4:12:40 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's kind of an odd scenario. Let's say the FBI does successfully ID potential mass shooters, what do we do with them then?


What about sending local police over to attempt some sort of communication on the matter to the person or the parents. Obviously, we shouldn't subvert due process or the 4th amendment in any way, but what about the police simply making an attempt at discussing the matter?


Not a bad idea. There is probably a decent chance that if someone is 'found out' prior to taking action it could be enough to stop them from doing it.


But like someone said earlier, it could be seen as a waste of resources since the FBI gets thousands of tips about people like him a day. I think the best and probably only thing they could have done was monitor him, maybe set something up to flag him if he did anything suspicious.
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darkjedilink
02/15/18 4:12:46 PM
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
there isnt much to this story

FBI was alerted to a threatening youtube comment months ago

they met with the youtuber who reported the comment and got basically no info because it was some rando on the internet who made a wacked out youtube comment w/no ties to the youtuber

what exactly is there to discuss

How about the fact that the FBI most certainly could have backtraced the IP? Or gotten his personal information from Google?

FBI fucked up. AGAIN.
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halomonkey1_3_5
02/15/18 4:47:24 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
How about the fact that the FBI most certainly could have backtraced the IP? Or gotten his personal information from Google?

FBI fucked up. AGAIN.

Should the FBI get personal details on every person who makes school shooter comments online? And if they do, then what? Do they go lock up everyone saying that kind of shit(if they live in the US)? It's not like the comment was "I'm going to shoot up my old high school on valentines day". It was a generic school shooter comment that tons of youtube shitposters make as a joke. I dont expect the FBI to track down and keep tabs on every reported youtube commenter that says stupid shit.
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Bio1590
02/15/18 4:54:43 PM
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Not even that, imagine unironically using "backtraced the ip" lol
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Darmik
02/15/18 4:56:50 PM
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So now people want the authorities to investigate death threats made on the internet? Interesting.
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_OujiDoza_
02/16/18 12:50:25 PM
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Nominate the FBI as the donkey of the day.

BREAKING: FBI says it received a tip about the Parkland shooter, but didn't follow protocols to investigate further.
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Shuto-uke
02/16/18 12:52:29 PM
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Maybe they saw the MAGA cap and decided to give him a pass? Disgusting
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darkjedilink
02/16/18 1:06:15 PM
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
How about the fact that the FBI most certainly could have backtraced the IP? Or gotten his personal information from Google?

FBI fucked up. AGAIN.

Should the FBI get personal details on every person who makes school shooter comments online? And if they do, then what? Do they go lock up everyone saying that kind of shit(if they live in the US)? It's not like the comment was "I'm going to shoot up my old high school on valentines day". It was a generic school shooter comment that tons of youtube shitposters make as a joke. I dont expect the FBI to track down and keep tabs on every reported youtube commenter that says stupid shit.

They are.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/02/15/threats-hoaxes-anxiety-and-arrests-an-uneasiness-in-schools-after-florida-shooting/

Why is it we can do it NOW, and not five months ago?
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Bio1590
02/16/18 3:20:31 PM
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Those are all pretty different than some random-ass comment on a Youtube video.
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Foppe
02/16/18 3:26:51 PM
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FBI should check up every trolling post now?
FBI stopped doing that after they arrested Jake Brahm for spamming in 4chan.
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E32005
02/16/18 3:27:47 PM
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so they failed to stop 9/11. failed to stop a few other mass shootings after being informed.

why does the fbi exist again?? they obvious fail at protecting us.
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darkjedilink
02/16/18 4:20:55 PM
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Foppe posted...
FBI should check up every trolling post now?
FBI stopped doing that after they arrested Jake Brahm for spamming in 4chan.

They literally admitted they fucked up.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting/fbi-admits-failure-to-act-on-florida-school-gunman-draws-anger-idUSKCN1G00T7

They were supposed to investigate, but the Miami field office never got the order.

You gonna accept that you're just plain wrong on this one yet? Or are you so into seeing Trump go down that you can't accept the FBI might not be infallible?
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TrollSlayer11
02/16/18 4:25:40 PM
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lolife67 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's kind of an odd scenario. Let's say the FBI does successfully ID potential mass shooters, what do we do with them then?

Guide them along a restricted path where the FBI sets up an arms deal with the suspect potential shooter and allow them to incriminate themselves and toss their ass in jail before they can hurt anyone for real?

So, entrapment?


The FBI does it with Islamic terrorists already. Why not extend the practice?
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The Great Muta 22
02/16/18 4:30:45 PM
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TrollSlayer11 posted...
lolife67 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's kind of an odd scenario. Let's say the FBI does successfully ID potential mass shooters, what do we do with them then?

Guide them along a restricted path where the FBI sets up an arms deal with the suspect potential shooter and allow them to incriminate themselves and toss their ass in jail before they can hurt anyone for real?

So, entrapment?


The FBI does it with Islamic terrorists already. Why not extend the practice?


And depending on certain conspiracy theorists, that's basically what happened in Vegas except the shooter snapped.
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Puglia77
02/16/18 4:32:02 PM
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
How about the fact that the FBI most certainly could have backtraced the IP? Or gotten his personal information from Google?

FBI fucked up. AGAIN.

Should the FBI get personal details on every person who makes school shooter comments online? And if they do, then what? Do they go lock up everyone saying that kind of shit(if they live in the US)? It's not like the comment was "I'm going to shoot up my old high school on valentines day". It was a generic school shooter comment that tons of youtube shitposters make as a joke. I dont expect the FBI to track down and keep tabs on every reported youtube commenter that says stupid shit.

People like this are the ones that advocate school shootings as opposed to trying to stop them
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Bio1590
02/16/18 5:13:40 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Foppe posted...
FBI should check up every trolling post now?
FBI stopped doing that after they arrested Jake Brahm for spamming in 4chan.

They literally admitted they fucked up.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting/fbi-admits-failure-to-act-on-florida-school-gunman-draws-anger-idUSKCN1G00T7

They were supposed to investigate, but the Miami field office never got the order.

You gonna accept that you're just plain wrong on this one yet? Or are you so into seeing Trump go down that you can't accept the FBI might not be infallible?

And that is completely separate to the discussion as to whether the FBI should be following up on literally every incident where someone comments something like this on a random Youtube video or on fucking 4chan of all places.
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billcom6
02/16/18 5:14:50 PM
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What, did you want the FBI to take away his CONSTITUTIONAL 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS??????????????
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Steve Nick
02/16/18 5:15:55 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Foppe posted...
FBI should check up every trolling post now?
FBI stopped doing that after they arrested Jake Brahm for spamming in 4chan.

They literally admitted they fucked up.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting/fbi-admits-failure-to-act-on-florida-school-gunman-draws-anger-idUSKCN1G00T7

They were supposed to investigate, but the Miami field office never got the order.

You gonna accept that you're just plain wrong on this one yet? Or are you so into seeing Trump go down that you can't accept the FBI might not be infallible?

And that is completely separate to the discussion as to whether the FBI should be following up on literally every incident where someone comments something like this on a random Youtube video or on fucking 4chan of all places.


We'd be constantly interrogating every 20 year old or younger male.

I see so many teenagers make "jokes" like that, or just plain edgy comments that a responsible adult should never make.
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Bio1590
02/16/18 5:20:04 PM
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Steve Nick posted...
Bio1590 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Foppe posted...
FBI should check up every trolling post now?
FBI stopped doing that after they arrested Jake Brahm for spamming in 4chan.

They literally admitted they fucked up.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting/fbi-admits-failure-to-act-on-florida-school-gunman-draws-anger-idUSKCN1G00T7

They were supposed to investigate, but the Miami field office never got the order.

You gonna accept that you're just plain wrong on this one yet? Or are you so into seeing Trump go down that you can't accept the FBI might not be infallible?

And that is completely separate to the discussion as to whether the FBI should be following up on literally every incident where someone comments something like this on a random Youtube video or on fucking 4chan of all places.


We'd be constantly interrogating every 20 year old or younger male.

I see so many teenagers make "jokes" like that, or just plain edgy comments that a responsible adult should never make.

Right, which is what this topic was about initially before djl tried to bring up an irrelevant point to what was actually being discussed.

The FBI obviously fucked up with that January incident, however if you think the FBI fucked up with the Youtube comment then you're literally advocating for spending millions of dollars just so every fucking online comment that may be perceived as a threat is dealt with.
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creativerealms
02/16/18 5:26:21 PM
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billcom6 posted...
What, did you want the FBI to take away his CONSTITUTIONAL 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS??????????????

I don't think he had any guns of his own.
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Foppe
02/17/18 12:48:14 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
Foppe posted...
FBI should check up every trolling post now?
FBI stopped doing that after they arrested Jake Brahm for spamming in 4chan.

They literally admitted they fucked up.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting/fbi-admits-failure-to-act-on-florida-school-gunman-draws-anger-idUSKCN1G00T7

They were supposed to investigate, but the Miami field office never got the order.

You gonna accept that you're just plain wrong on this one yet? Or are you so into seeing Trump go down that you can't accept the FBI might not be infallible?

So you want them to spend more than the US military budget checking up every trolling post being posted everywhere on the internet?
How are you going to pay for that, raise the taxes?
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