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well thats...nice.
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well there WAS a lot of warning signs. guys parents died. he was kicked out of school who apparently didnt give a shit about him. those right there were red flags to try and help this kid by showing a little compassion. but not only that the other students knew he could be a problem, the school knew it, the fucking government knew it. they knew he was posting crazy shit online and they knew he was getting involved in white supremacy and they did nothing. this guy sent off practically every flag there was and yet nothing was reported to help block the background check. nothing happened. this is one massive governmental fuck up on every level and everyone just forgot about him until he came back. this could have been easily stopped just by giving a shit about a human being who needed help.
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Vita_Aeterna posted...

How often do people pull out a gun when they're in danger of being attacked?

Also, why is the U.S more violent than any other first world nation?

depending on the study you want to believe in the rough median is estimated at 300k defensive gun uses per year. low estimates are around 60k and high are well over 2million.

as far as more violent, take your pick. lots of poverty, homelessness issues. lots of gang involvements, drug wars. intercity problems. large gap of social standings, lack of easy healthcare, large gap of political divides (which is turning violent) and racial issues at a large scale. we also share a border with mexico which is 2x more violent even factoring in the US' gun crime. its a melting pot of shit with guns as the seasoning.
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Vita_Aeterna posted...

What else?

how about being able to defend your life and family from crime in a country thats 2-5x more violent than every other first world nation NOT INCLUDING firearms.
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im curious how many people actually read what that bill entailed.
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its more than conservatives. a good chunk of the left want them too.
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lubmelubyou posted...

People have a lot more to lose as individuals. They would all line up, conform and do exactly as they are told once there are real consequences that will affect them.

what country do you think youre talking about?

theres already been many cases of people being sick of the government and taking matters into their own hand and it was over less than what this topic is discussing.
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i wound never own something like that.
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youd get an insurgency.
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did NOT see that coming.
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i take a boat trip.
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thronedfire2 posted...

Yeah didn't the Pulse shooter use a Ruger? I know it was reported as an AR15 but then they said that was false after

its technically an AR just made by ruger (lots of manufacturers make AR's). ruger also makes the mini14 which tends to be left out of "assault rifle" discussions despite basically being the same thing only it tends to have wood accessory's making it look less "scary".
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TheVipaGTS posted...

No one (at least not in the vast majority) is trying to ban guns. we know that is impossible...stop saying that...

tell that to the people making the laws. nancy pelosi has already mentioned it more than once on camera. go to any left leaning site and i absolutely guarantee you atleast 3/4ths of them will either mention getting rid of guns or limit everyone to single shot muzzle loaders.
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4%. thats the number of gun deaths the AR15 has on its hands per year. thats on par with other rifles and shotguns. handguns take up 80%. the AR15 is the most widely owned single type of rifle in the country. its in literally millions of citizens hands so yes unfortunately its going to show up in some bad ways. the AR15 is not that unique. there are dozens of similar types of weapons that are just as available and yet everyone wants to single out the AR as if getting rid of it will solve anything in anyway when you can just as easily move over to an FNH, PTR, AK, Mini14, HK ect.

this is the core problem with the gun control debate and why nothing happens. gun controllers act almost all on their emotions and try to pass laws on items and a system they know absolutely nothing about.
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indeed
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as far as school shootings- media reporting. social media coverage. mental illness and prescription drugs for everything. asshole mentality and lack of compassion.

for gun deaths overall it can be attributed to a lot of social problems. gangs, drugs, lack of healthcare, poverty, homelessness, loopholes with in the system.

ever since obama were seeing larger racial tensions and after trump thats compounded with worse political divide. the country is currently trying to tear itself apart and its putting more people on edge.
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yemmy posted...

and it would be really illegal if you changed out parts to anything not california restricted.

for just normal shooting? yes. if you moved you could switch things out. if something really happened and everything went to hell no one is going to care and it can be easily switched back. not that im advocating that of course..

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Anyone here actually built their own AR?

yes i have and no they arnt. its very easy and you can get build kits for $350-400. tools for doing it are cheap and really you only need a few things. palmetto sells FN cold hammer forged barrels that you can build around for $600-700 for everything and you basically get something just as good as a colt 6920 for $200-300 less (not going to have the resale value though).
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DyingPancake posted...

Topics like these are why no one takes the left seriously. It doesn't matter what solution you try to bring up when talking about how to stop this, people like TC are just going to shrug it off and laugh about it while just saying "BAN ALL GUNS" like a parrot. It doesn't help that hardly any of them don't even know anything about the thing they want banned. How many times are they going to try and ban "assault rifles"?

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if some people here wern't a little happy when they heard the news because it gives them another chance to sarcastically say "Thoughts and Prayers" for the millionth time while pretending to actually care about the problem at hand

i made a few posts on a few other forums yesterday trying to explain some of the gun communities mentality and how firearms functioned. i was extremely polite and tried to be as forthcoming as can be. i even mentioned that i do support certain types of tighter restrictions.

i was labeled a sociopath almost instantly.

I wonder if its even worth trying to have a conversation any more. maybe we really do need another civil war and be done with it.
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ThePrinceFish posted...

A California compliant AR-15 is a pathetic joke and I'd rather wait than to waste money on a neutered piece of crap.

id still personally have one. you can always change out the parts if need be.
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maybe
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the AR makes up 3-4% of gun homicides in the US. its on par with other rifles and shotgun deaths. handguns take up 80 fucking percent and yet the AR is whats always gone after. this is made even more stupid by the fact that there are a LOT of other firearms similar to the AR that get completely ignored just because they dont look the scary part or they arnt as common(but just as easy to get). this is why gun huggers dont ever take the left seriously and why nothing gets done.
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008Zulu posted...

cerealbox760 posted...

Three of the 10 DEADLIEST shootings have come in last 5 months. America really wants to lose its guns.

They are trying their hardest, but no matter how many children die, they just can't seem to care.

id consider that a red flag to other serious problems.
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pres_madagascar posted...

You realize the second ammendment had to do with the right of citizens to keep arms for the purpose of being in a militia, right?

you realize theres a comma in there, right?
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gun control advocates most of the time propose either things that wont work or arnt realistic in this country. so in turn you have the other side ignoring them and generally everything stays in a standstill. even small proposals are shot down because they come across as ignorant of the subject most of the time. and in general it will never really stop because the people who make the rules and laws are the ones who want guns gone and if something doesnt fix an issue you can bet they will be back. this has been proven both in our states and in many other countries. it sounds cliche at this point, but the slippery slope isnt paranoia. to change it all youd need to change the constitution which would require 3/4th of congress making it nearly impossible especially with how divided we are now.
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Rika_Furude posted...

police do more now, anti-terrorism is commonplace in every major city/airport, etc

explain to me why america has one of the highest crime rates and murder rates in the first world and explain why countries like australia are far more peaceful, lower crime etc even though they have gun restrictions

the US also has 4x non-firearm related homicides than australia. that right there shows theres a lot more at work than guns.
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CapnMuffin posted...

defense

whos to say whats appropriate for defense? if 3 6' 2 guys try to rob or kill me or rape my wife or kidnap my children i want as much fire power as i can get to not leave anything to chance especially when the adrenaline kicks in.
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tell that to nancy pelosi.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Those are already banned

well, heavily regulated.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

so what are people supposed to do if theres a break in? and what about keeping governments from getting too comfortable?

its alright. the government and police have your back.
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the entire point of the 2nd amendment is to be able to meet an opposing force. you arnt going to be doing that with a double barrel. granted you arnt going to be able to stand up to a tank with an AR15, but through smart tactics 100k ar15's are a hell of a lot better than 100k bolt actions. handguns are also used the most in defensive situations and actually take the most lives per year (80% of gun fatalities are from handguns and 3-4% are from rifles like the the AR).

in terms of personal defense it doesnt work like it does in the movies. people can take several pistol shots before going down (even in the heart of which you have about 10-60seconds to live assumign shock doesnt get you) unless you get them in the spine or brain otherwise that gives them time to still harm you. even worse if they happen to be drugged up. so you bring the firepower. panic and adrenaline also sets in and you can make mistakes, get shaky, miss ect. criminals also tend to work in groups.

there was story several years back of a kid who was home alone stopped 3 robbers with a .22. now its a small bullet, but he ended up shooting one of them 14 times and the guy was still standing and ended up dying about 10minutes later in the getaway car. you never know.
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MachoManSavage posted...

Yet I never hear about people using guns to defend. Only kill.

take a trip to liveleak.

most defensive gun uses also dont end with someone getting shot and so most dont get reported. usually the sight is enough to get someone to back off.
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no, sir. i dont know what youre talking about.
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JlM posted...

The "everything is a viable weapon as much as a gun" is absolutely silly and everyone knows it.

you make due with what you have. not to say guns arnt easier, but that didnt stop 86 people from getting run over in paris and 19 people from getting stabbed to death in japan the same year. people will find the means to do what they want and where they want to maximize the casualties.

YoungMutual posted...

The problem is not "the second one"; the problem is you can go buy a gun on walmart no problem

you have to go through all if the processes you would with an FFL. that means a valid instate ID and a background check. Walmart is not exempt from this.
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yes, we know.
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tote_all posted...

Taking that shot before someone with an AR-15 has the chance to shoot someone else does require superpowers, yes.

technically you may not even need to hit him. there was an interview with a police chief either last year or the year before. he stated that pretty much every mass shooter instantly stopped what they were doing and either ran or took their own life when met with force. the exception being those who were specifically targeting police. mass shooters want easy targets, they want to feel like gods in that moment. there is some truth as far "gun free zones" go.
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rainbows and unicorns.
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yes, lets hand over guns to the system. dont see how that could back fire.
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not yet.
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a lot of them do, most (in my experience) dont. some want some small restrictions, some want larger ones. many would be happy to leave you with single shot weapons as long as they can say they didnt take away your guns.

my big problem is that a lot of the laws purposed by the left tend to make no sense and are acted out of sheer emotion which basically shows that the gun control advocates dont know what theyre doing. this ends up with the gun community pushing back on everything in fear of potential harsher restrictions if something doesnt work. california and new york have helped shown this constantly.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

I think there is some truth to that, but I don't think that explains the mass shootings. I think this is a cultural/societal phenomenon. Like there were all these guns around in the 60s, 70s, 80s, etc. and there were very few mass shootings in those decades. Yet since Columbine we have had so many. I think Columbine was the watershed moment because it brought those two kids into infamy and introduced the modern media blitz mass shooting to the public.

it could be a lot of things really. not having the culture is one reason. guns arnt seen as a means of defense in other places, but as a novelty and sport (and you are punished heavily for using them in such a way). with that you have a lot of social programs made to help people more than here.

here theres way too much emphasis on prescription drugs for everything. round the clock social medias constant coverage of horrible shit, twitters cesspool and just the internet in general that covers the whole spectrum of the first amendment and can pull people into bad places easier. lack of proper mental health signs and treatment. our capitalistic tendency's tend to create a wider social gap. throw in larger homeless problems, poverty, gangs, drugs ect. and its all a time bomb.
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reminds my of my cat, zep. lost him to cancer a few years back. best animal iv ever had.

well now im sad as fuck. thanks, tc.
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F3 has bad compatibility on windows 7-10 made worse by trying to mod it which can be incredibly overwhelming the first time you do it. basically you threw your self in the deep end with it and got more than you bargained for. it gets easier the more you get used to the operation of the pc, where games install to, what folders do what ect. its a learning process. a head ache that might take you hours to figure out tends to be fixed in 2minutes once you know what youre doing. issues tend to crop up more than consoles, but the more familiar you get with the pc the more negligible most issues get.
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ModLogic posted...

if you think braindead fps gaming is dope i guess

say what you want about it, but chris' was the most consistent.
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