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| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 9:31:55 PM #323 | Well, scum sultan, it's because I think it gets me lynched anyway and I was hoping if a doctor showed up we could expose your claim as BS that way. Bodyguard to me is close enough though, especially thinking about the doctor proxy. BG + Town Roleblock + Bus seems like overkill enough that I'm 100% sure this is a suicide scum move and not town Sultan being overzealous. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 9:22:32 PM #321 | So I think with IGCD claiming I'm reasonably sure no doctor is gonna help since to me that's the line where there actually is too much protection (bus + bg + king-- there is no town rb). I was hoping there would be one. Then I could not claim this. I am town bulletproof-- I remember Kirby's theory clearly because I was like "close!" It feels like a miller claim because people are like "why does a bulletproof exist in this setup what do you get for being king" and I'm like NOTORIETY right. I think scum killed me last night because they no longer saw me as a valid mislynch. I think the scum think I'm the independent. Probably red on the team assuming doc cannot exist due to bus and pushing that to his mates. Maybe red han and sultan are all on that team but it's probably just 2/3 of remaining scum with one laying low. They probably think my victory condition has something to do with the king and think they're screwed because I've been elected once. I stress I'm town bulletproof. That's all. I am not the independent. We should kill Sultan. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 8:32:50 PM #310 | DoomTheGyarados posted... Plum - ED3 - Mafia Puppet Who Became Godfather Night One --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 8:29:29 PM #307 | I wonder what our resident protection expert red thinks about a bodyguard in the setup --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 7:54:01 PM #299 | I think trying to determine what's OP or not when you supposedly don't know what scum has is buffoonery. Balance is relative. Maybe scum has some way to deal with that situation you don't know of, despite knowing all the in and outs of how they get points. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 7:43:59 PM #295 | It really depends who's playing scum and who's playing bus. I think it's crazy to be so sure that a real protective role can't exist in this. I do not think Bus + RB + King is very good protection. Especially with a multi-shot vig --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 7:32:18 PM #292 | Give me hammer --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 7:29:50 PM #290 | Maybe red can poison a king he hammers --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 7:28:00 PM #289 | Red being Sultan's backup here instead of Han is a legitimate concern Step 1. Post all this useless theorycraft about points to start the day Step 2. Use that false expertise to claim scum can't do things to explain away lack of kill, making the frame job ironclad --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 7:24:02 PM #287 | If anything if you're so gung ho on "preventing scum from killing who they want to kill" you should believe that delaying a kill one night to blow away a king is a reasonable ability for them to have So maybe two bodies drop tomorrow and it's still 2 mislynch and lose --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 7:22:15 PM #286 | Leafeon13N posted... I didn't say stop. I specifically said prevent themfromkilling the person they wanted to kill. Bus can swap the kill into a better one though so who cares. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 7:21:33 PM #285 | Leafeon13N posted... Lopenis basically entertaining anotion thatscum no killed nonsensically and lucked into sultan giving them a 2for 0 scenario that they could not predict prior. No I'm saying there is more protection in the game and scum was stopped by that. Or that scum no killed in a productive way that you can't comprehend due to not knowing how or pretending not to know how their point system works. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 7:19:27 PM #283 | Leafeon13N posted... You are asking for town ti have 4+ ways of preventing scum from killing the person they want to kill. Realize how hard it is for a bus to stop a kill
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| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 7:12:20 PM #276 | Leafeon13N posted... But this isn't the end of your conspiracy. You are also asking for town to have even more protection on top of that. I don't see why that's weird Roleblocker is harder to aim than doctor King hardly counts as protection, it's telegraphed, scum just avoids it Bus Driver only productively stops the kill if you swap the target to scum --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 7:10:34 PM #275 | Though I guess there was no kill last night. So technically this would have to be town town town for it to be autolose. It's probably not, though Han relishing in helping to catch "the self-proclaimed smartest person on b8" is something that I could see clouding his judgment too to be fair. I wish it was like, other people doing this. I'd feel better calling them scum for 100% sure. I think we should make someone that isn't Sultan or Han the king just in case scum gets points for votes. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 7:02:38 PM #271 | Leafeon13N posted... We kill you and if you are town sultan is scum and gets murdered. Okay but what if Sultan is town roleblocker jumping to conclusions and Han is a scum instigator here Two town lynches in a row the game is probably over --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 7:01:27 PM #270 | I find it highly amusing that Sultan is using "real world logic" here and Crescent and I literally had an argument in Psych mafia where she claimed that "Sultan being put to sleep in his PM when Corrik kidnapped him should have given him a hint he couldn't give Corrik a pineapple" and I was like "why would he assume that it should be explicit" And here we are --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 6:57:18 PM #266 | I do realize it outs our protection but it is worth it to get this lynch right I think. We really do not want to get two mislynches in a row. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 6:49:13 PM #263 | Chang do you really have more bullets Because I think these people saying no doc in the game might change their tune if you would fully confirm you have more bullets --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 6:43:48 PM #255 | Anyway this is tiring. If anyone is considering murdering Sultan or Han instead of me please throw me a bone here. Come on, show of hands. Surely IGCD will murder Han first. Take my power IGCD ##King IGCD --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 6:39:16 PM #253 | htaeD posted... Yeah I assume King can be busdriven too Actually the role flip for bus driver specifically said you couldn't do it on the king I remember this because Kirby had this theory about bus being our doc and swapping with the aegis to protect that was literally disproven by the flip --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 6:25:31 PM #246 | Yes so what are the odds this setup has a scum roleblock able to be bought, and is bought vs A town roleblocker that happens to be the one that chang is going to shoot No one would believe your claim if you said you blocked chang --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 6:21:43 PM #242 | And the reason for that is simple What are the odds of this game having a town roleblocker And then what are the odds of the guy you're targeting being that town roleblocker compared to it being a member of the scum team with a scum roleblocker on it Like no one would buy town roleblocker if you claim roleblocked, unless he did something crazy like block "scum" and "catch" them --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 6:19:45 PM #241 | Trust me if he claims town roleblocker and you claim roleblocked, he's dead on the spot --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 6:19:21 PM #240 | changmas posted... scum sultan* masquerading as town roleblocker No one believes town roleblocker as a claim without concrete info though They want to get that mislynch and then cash Sultan out. He's not out to survive long term, just one day. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 6:18:02 PM #239 | changmas posted... but what happens in a scenario where then subsequently claim roleblocked I don't know what happens. I do think if you claimed roleblocked here that I would still be considered for lynch and Sultan is in a better position than he would be had you just claimed roleblocked and Sultan isn't trying to murder me. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 6:16:07 PM #235 | Also this play works regardless of if I'm power or not Like if I counter claim power and be honest about not being blocked, people like SBell think I'm just trying to get Sultan lynched and I get lynched anyway --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 6:13:28 PM #233 | changmas posted... Scum team has to be VERY certain that I'm lying about shooting Sultan (which to be fair, several players, including Han, were pretty certain about) AND that Lopen is vanilla if they actually roleblocked me to play it safe and then claimed it went on Lopen while also no-killing. That's kind of a ridiculous gambit. No need to no kill Scum sent in rb + kill on you Protection protected you You're still alive. Scum has to make a play before you claim roleblocked, they do so. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 6:11:24 PM #229 | IfGodCouldDie posted... Chang RB + doc on Chang! Makes sense! Don't call it an outlandish theory. It makes so much more sense than Sultan ignoring the threat on his life to try and scumhunt, then happening to hit the 1/3 scum that sent the kill in. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 5:47:32 PM #214 | If I think you're roleblocker I absolutely realize you suspect me more than those two and wouldn't send the NK But I wouldn't have any reason to know you're roleblocker anyway --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 5:33:20 PM #201 | TheSultanOfSlam posted... Also if scum lopen truly thought Chang was shooting me he wouldn't have even questioned not putting in the scum kill beacuse I was the only one vocal on thinking he was scum
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| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 5:32:09 PM #198 | changmas posted... but in what should be pretty clear at this point i lied about shooting sultan. was trying to bait mafia into overextending / purchasing roleblocks and using them on me (or purchasing bulletproof and using it on sultan?). to waste their points in some manner Crazy theory. Maybe your plan actually did work and here's what happened Scum roleblocks + kills changmas to protect their mate Sultan No one dies because doc protected changmas They know it's over for Sultan once changmas claims roleblocked and scramble to have him try and get me killed Of course changmas didn't claim roleblocked here, but that isn't known... maybe Sultan wanted to rush it out before Chang to get the people on his side. Explanation for no kill. Explanation for suicide into me. More logical use of roleblock than trying to scumhunt with it when you're going to be killed. Perfect. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 5:26:25 PM #193 | Leafeon13N posted... No killing gaining points would actively make this untrue. Not really. Perhaps once per game they can do it, or perhaps it's in some stupid way like intentionally sending their night kill at the king You really have no idea what the possibilities are for gaining points so yeah any sort of "strange play" meta isn't off the table here --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 5:19:50 PM #188 | Leafeon13N posted... You are banking on a protection role hitting and then for sultan to attempt this gambit that they would have had to come up with early in the day right on the spot. Not necessarily on the spot, no. It's possible Chris lets them know night action results before day starts. Then they'd have some time to plan. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 5:17:07 PM #185 | Actually they don't. If I counter and say I acted people probably believe Sultan anyway because they think I'm just making it up to get him lynched. Not to mention a lot of power roles have flipped and they might know some other power roles that haven't-- not a real stretch to just go for it. I'm probably vanilla or a claim that can't be verified with any sort of credibility that makes me come off as more genuine if I counter Sultan (or possible I was actually roleblocked). --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 5:13:07 PM #182 | The funny thing is "going for Sultan or Han" was literally going to be my criteria for a good king selection today without this happening. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 5:07:36 PM #179 | red13n posted... Scum no killing makes 0 sense at 11. I actually agree I think we have an actual protective role and scum got unlucky and are trying to damage control by suiciding Sultan into me. Also going with POINTS theory maybe they want a lot of points and get a bonus if their scum member gets elected today, or maybe they just saw the writing on the wall and knew that without SBell being king Sultan was very much on the menu today for lynch --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 4:55:08 PM #175 | Yes but you're the king you need no protection. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 4:49:36 PM #172 | If scum no killed last night that likely makes sultan scum which you shouldn't be humoring if you don't think he can do this If you want to with that angle though the better one is town actually has another protective role that successfully stopped the night kill and scum is damage controlling trying to have scum Sultan take credit for it Heck they might have just shot me and are trying to out the doctor. I'm a good doc target! I slew that vile masterscum! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 4:35:12 PM #162 | His roleblock being corroborated is literally meaningless. If scum he's on the same team as the scum roleblocker, and can claim their actual blocks or blocks on people known to not have used abilities on nights and/or scummates --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 4:32:01 PM #157 | Leafeon13N posted... You are ignoring logic in your own defense. What logic am I ignoring. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 4:30:55 PM #153 | You're asking why Sultan would make the gambit as scum I'm not arguing he's town and fakeclaiming a roleblock to get me lynched. Either he's town roleblocker who is blind even by Sultan standards (I still don't think Sultan as town think it makes sense to block me over the guy who is going to murder him-- the only reason he can swing that is because Sbell is here) or he's scum making a play with some help. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 4:28:18 PM #149 | Er you being Sbell, not Han --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 4:27:47 PM #147 | Sultan would suicide into me because I'm right about Sultan being scum and he knows I'm going to tunnel it today, and with you not king he actually can be lynched --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 4:26:01 PM #145 | He isn't pulling it off alone Han is right there --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 4:22:56 PM #143 | Also I know you think Sultan is a precious snowflake, SBell, and wouldn't lie about anything, but on a scumteam they can literally give him the playbook to run even if you don't think he would do this --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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| Lopen 05/04/22 4:21:46 PM #112 | Loki Thor --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 4:20:20 PM #142 | HanOfTheNekos posted... Any logic that applies to Sultan being wrong, if you are Town, also applies to me. No You have less information than a hypothetical town Sultan (you don't know Sultan is town, hypothetical town Sultan would) and a different set of biases going in (Sultan thought I was scum and would jump to this conclusion, you did not and would think about things more clearly) --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 4:16:14 PM #139 | It's possible red is scum or known to not have an ability by the scumteam and they knew it was a safe n1 target to throw out --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Topic | Discussing Mafia Mafia Topic 9: Status Quo |
| Lopen 05/04/22 4:12:08 PM #132 | Also I could definitely buy Han wanting me off the table and just looking for an excuse to axe me I've been supporting an IGCD candidacy which is indirect aggression towards him. IGCD isn't going to become president without my marketing. I don't think Han scum + Sultan town is completely out of the question here. But both being scum is also possible. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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