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red sox 777 posted...

Virginia has a statutory cap on punitive damages of $350k? Wow, that's low. So it ends up being an $8.35 million net swing to Johnny Depp.

This is correct.

Really weird that they awarded Amber anything, honestly, since they actively proved no damages whatsoever for Waldman's statements, but this is an enormous win for Johnny. This feels like a compromise decision though.

Gg Heard. Get fucked.

Are you fucking kidding me?

The bailiff didn't check to see if they filled out the compensatory damages?

Oh my god. I hope they knew what it was before this, otherwise they'll take forever. I just can't believe they screwed this up.

HOWEVER, the fact they need to fill this out means that Johnny probably won because obviously there's no way that Amber won her claim at all.

Nope, the verdict is broadcasting on streaming anywhere in two minutes!

Amber showing up in the same dress she got her restraining order in.

Deranged.

Man, I don't know why we have this hyper realistic world. It's just not even interesting. He looks so out of place in it. Give us a world more in line with how he looks in the game.

Like yeah, it's just the tutorial level probably I just think they're going to lean way too into realism. The Sonic Adventure games did a better job mixing realistic with a cartoonist flair so he didn't look horribly out of place.

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Verdict at 3 PM EST!

red sox 777 posted...

It's more complicated than a criminal case though, in that they have a nonbinary decision to make. It's not just guilty or not guilty, they have to set the amount of damages as well.

There is quite literally no basis for anything you said here. Not all civil and criminal cases are the same and they all vary in how complicated they can be.

Additionally, the damages are a thing very unique. Most civil courts don't ask juries to do this because, frankly, they don't usually have a concept on how it should be calculated anyway. Especially with these number values.

scarletspeed7 posted...

This really isn't a long time at all.

I'm not terribly shocked, but this is very different than a criminal trial where the stakes are so much more enormous, so a long deliberation isn't as common.

Also this is 6 weeks. I feel like they have their minds made up enough at some point in these 6 weeks that it feels strange they're taking so long. I'd be shocked if it lasted past lunch tomorrow.

Like it seems like an easy decision on the outside, but juries are gonna jury. Hard to know what they're even talking about right now.

During the question roundtable from the jury, Chew mentioned his Motion he filed with the court that the Judge said she wasn't considering until after the judgment was made.

Basically, he's arguing improper argument from Rottenborn for implying that if the jury didn't side with Amber, they were setting a bad precedent for victims of abuse everywhere by saying all of their evidence isn't proof enough. Here is a part of the transcript in question. Completely fair motion for Chew to make since they're supposed to argue the facts and Rottenborn wanted them to disregard the facts of the case and go with what "message" it sends.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/8/5/AATFBfAADSX1.png

Edit: Also no verdict today, which is surprising. I can't imagine they don't tomorrow.

charmander6000 posted...

Could there be a delay if there's a disagreement about how much to award Depp? If so, we may not get a verdict today.

Sure. There can be a delay about anything though.

However, the jury had a question today that makes me optimistic. They asked about the headline statement and whether or not it pertained to the entire article or just the headline. It was just the headline, obviously. But it seems like they asked that question because they're all on Johnny's side of things and want to make sure they apply the law right. Ben Chew was pretty excited that was the question asked, and this is probably Johnny's strongest claim, as it was about the sexual abuse that clearly never happened.

This also makes it seem like they're getting close to finalizing their decision if they're getting to the actual counts now.

Breath of the Hog

The media has, predictably, went to Amber's aid for the most part here, which is why Amber's team fought so hard for this to not be broadcast. Ultimately, we can see with our own eyes now how things went between the both of them, but then the media would have to admit that they were woefully wrong with all of this. Which, you know, that's FINE. That's completely okay. So many people have said they were wrong about it. But the media just doesn't want to say they were wrong about it. There's a way to do so tastefully there that nobody would be too hard on them for it--even me.

But instead we have this double down, and then all of these April/May 2022 Twitter accounts defending Amber, along with being told that she's just not a "perfect victim" or that even if she's not telling the truth, we shouldn't be so mean to her, among other things. Nah, fuck her. I had just how BAD things were leading up to this trial, which is why I was interested to see how this played out. I heard some of these damning clips, these multiple insane stories, among other things that seemed like it would blow Amber's case apart and they did.

This is just offensive to any real survivors. You don't have any of them defending her because they know what it's actually like. They see and hear Amber and they don't see themselves, they see their abuser. It's all gross and disgusting, especially since Amber portrays herself as BETTER than any actual survivors because she could fight back against her abuser sometimes, and she could say mean things to her abuser, and she's able to do what they weren't able to do.

The fact that the media has doubled down on defending Amber after this is disheartening, especially when there's male victims out there that could really use more support too, rather than seeing the media tell them that it's ridiculous that Depp could be considered the victim in this.

I wrote these summaries because I knew how the media would be about it. I wanted to give a clearer picture of it all, even past the memes and stuff. I never said it before, but anyone who thanked me, you're welcome for it. We're likely to get a verdict today and honestly the worst case scenario to expect is that Johnny doesn't get anything from this, but I think we're at better odds than this. And I hope for Johnny's sake he does win to send a message to people who fake these kind of allegations and for actual victims to have a voice. And I'd like him to get his reputation back, because that's important no matter if you're rich and famous or not.

So I'll be on a trip and won't be able to do a summary of the closing arguments. I encourage everyone to just watch them for yourself anyway! This link has the entirety of them, but you may need to skip around past the breaks.

https://youtu.be/_vthMuZzoXg

Hookhausen
Jade
Death Triangle
ATT
Darby Allin
The Hardys
Team Taz
Eddie Kingston, Proud & Powerful, Jon Moxley & Bryan Danielson
Wardlow
Ruby Soho
Adam Cole
Thunder Rosa
Hangman Page

Jurors sent home for the weekend. Deliberation continues on Tuesday.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Just wondering, why doesn't Rottenborn do the entire closing? Like he can't do everything in a 6 week trial. But, it shouldn't be an issue for this right and just skipping Elaine, right?

I think they believe she has more emotional appeal while Rottenborn is far more technical. I don't know another reason. But she was just completely terrible here.

But Camille came back and killed it. And because of Elaine, she was able to discredit the credibility of what the lawyers were presenting by pointing out all of her misinterpretations of the various witnesses.

Rottenborn did the best he could with 6 minutes though, just... not great though.

Supposedly one of the lawyers who got released was #9 who was giving Amber the stink eye for the majority of the trial. Too bad! That guy sounded like he was amazing.

I wouldn't be shocked if there was a decision today honestly, whereas I would have before these closing arguments.

Rottenborn did the right thing by arguing the law in his closing. He pressured them that if Johnny abused her once, that means Amber didn't lie. He also added a bunch of bullshit in there but it was as effective as it could be.

Elaine was the fucking worst though. She misrepresented the law continually as well as the jury instructions, then misrepresented multiple testimonies to the point Ben Chew had to object multiple times. Elaine was horrific.

They have 2 hours to do these, including rebuttal, and Rottenborn went with 1h25m so Elaine had to scramble on her end and it was a mess that was impossible to follow.

They're left with 9 minutes for rebuttal while Depp's team has I believe 42 minutes.

Edit: Actually, let me correct that.

Amber: 6 minutes left
Depp: 39 minutes left

Amber's glasses have been off and on. But it doesn't appear she actually needs them to read? Like she'll read things fine when asked but sometimes puts them on to read. They only appeared after the first time Johnny started wearing his though.

I woke up early by complete happenstance and I've been able to watch the entirety of the closing arguments so far. They did exactly what they needed to do. They calmly explained the timeline of events and all of Amber's outright lies and lack of tangible evidence. Ben going through the jury instructions was masterful and perfect, and him proclaiming that they don't need to give him more than $1 seals it. He made it clear that it's not about the money, it's just about his reputation.

They also made note that it's not about believing Amber or Johnny, it's about believing Johnny and literally every single person who spoke up.

I anticipate a lot of theatrics and nonsense for Amber's side because what else do they have at this point?

charmander6000 posted...

There might be someone that may argue that it wasn't beyond reasonable doubt even though this isn't a criminal case.

Nope. The jury instructions will be VERY clear about this that it's a preponderance of evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. To put it simply, they have to believe there is a 50+1% chance that Amber is lying. The jury instructions will absolutely reflect that.

TheRock1525 posted...

I think Virginia is also a state where civil cases do require unanimous consensus among the jurors. I could be wrong though.

This is right. Unanimous consensus needs to be here, but I just don't see a group of jurors spending 6 weeks doing this trial and not coming out with a unanimous decision. Most of the jurors clearly don't believe anything Amber is saying. And if those few people are leaning on Amber's side, how hard are you going to argue against the people who are just reminding you of every single thing Amber said that's a clear lie? What do you say to defend it? There's no way that anyone likes Amber Heard enough after all of that to argue vehemently with a group of people that she's innocent.

Amber then talks about how everyone knew about that rumor and she heard it from multiple people and that OF COURSE that's what flashed into her mind when Johnny almost killed her sister! She was piiiiiissed talking about Kate Moss. She can't even hide it.

Camille brings up that Amber claimed the trailer was trashed and she didn't expect the manager to come and testify that wasn't true. She says she's been in trial with this man before (incorrect) and knows how many people will come to support him. She says the same thing about TMZ as well.

"I know how many people will come out and say whatever for him! That's his power! That's why I wrote that op-ed! I was speaking to that phenomenon. How many people will come out and speak out for him and fall to his power. He's a powerful man, and people love currying favor for powerful men."

Camille asks if they would curry favor and commit perjury in the courtroom for a powerful man.

"I have seen people do this time and time again. That's why I wrote this op-ed!"

She brings up Ben King flying out from England to testify how he found Johnny's finger. And Amber is just flying off the handle and talking over Camille at this point just furious. Then Camille also points out the sound technician for Johnny came out to testify he doesn't feed him lines like Amber claimed and Amber angrily talks about Johnny's power more.

Then Camille brings up that she must have expected Isaac Barush to come out and speak. Amber suddenly sobers up and says she actually didn't think about that.

"But you didn't expect Mr. Barush to weep. TO WEEP for Mr. Depp for what you put him through and so many others."
"I relate to Isaac because we're the only two that CRIED on the stand!"

Camille actually walked away and said she has no further questions while Amber was talking. God damn, the disrespect. This was devastating. Probably more devastating than the first cross. It was just quick and lethal to her credibility just explaining all of her lies with these rebuttal witnesses and others. Absolutely fantastic to end the last thing you say to the jury for this is bringing up how Isaac Barush, who everyone loved, was weeping over what Amber did to hurt people. A call back to an early part of this trial that reminds everyone that they were saying this the whole time. This closed the whole damn thing for good as far as I'm concerned. How do you possibly recover from all of this?

And Amber ending it by saying she was one of two people to cry on the stand? After the jury heard her acting coach say Amber had trouble crying, and she was only able to produce tears once. Like this jury isn't stupid. She pointed out her tears when she was actually sobbing and tears weren't coming out constantly! That's the other thing this cross was left on! How do you do this!?

Rottenborn walks up for an impossible redirect and says if anyone misled Isaac, who would it be? She answers Johnny. What is this question even? And then he asks if she ever faked a bruise? No. Did she ever fake an injury? No. Is any evidence you put in this trial fake? No, absolutely not. And then she asked if it's strange for two spilled bottles of wine to be in multiple cases, and Amber starts malding about how there's SO MUCH EVIDENCE and most people don't have as much evidence as she does of the violence but there's SO MUCH EVIDENCE. She keeps going on but it sounds extremely desperate. Also, maybe don't talk about how much evidence there is when your evidence has been severely lacking for literally everything. But she keeps rambling about how the wine pictures don't even matter because there's so many more important pictures of her injuries too!

Then she's asked if Depp abused her physically, verbally, and emotionally and she said yes to each. Curiously removed from this is sexually, which would be explained by them not wanting to draw attention to that anymore. She got a little more brave during questioning when she brought up that Johnny drug her to a second courtroom before this and that the Waldman statements are a direct result of this (what?) and implying he's so powerful that all of these people are trying to ruin her and then she closes by saying that he's humiliating her in this trial by having all of this play out in real time in front of the world, live. Alright. That's it. This was the biggest disaster of all disasters in this case, truly. It was such a terrible mistake to bring her on.

According to an attorney who was there, the Judge looked pissed when Rottenborn asked if she faked evidence, and immediately after Amber was done, she called Rottenborn and Camille to the bench. He thinks she was reprimanding him because that's just really, really scummy, especially since there were so many issues with discovery and she probably feels like everyone else that Amber absolutely faked evidence.

Let's recap. She outright said she wrote the op-ed about Johnny because she didn't want people believing him and supporting him. That's admission of writing the op-ed, malice, and intent. If the jury somehow didn't prescribe all of that to Amber at this point, Amber made it super easy for them. Expect to hear that again in closing. And then her entire plea and impassioned speech about how horrible this has all been and how tortured she is now fell completely flat with the jury, with some of them outright exasperated by her. She claimed EVERY SINGLE PERSON who testified for Johnny was just lying and others doing it for clout. That everyone is a liar but her, literally, and you should only believe her. And she looked absolutely repugnant while she was on cross.

I don't see any way that Amber wins this at all, or how anyone on the jury can argue on her behalf during deliberation. It was just madness. Not even her experts were believable. There's nobody who spoke on her behalf you can actually trust. Amber does NOT win the counter-claim by any stretch. There's just nothing there to support it. At worst, there's a hung jury for Johnny's claim. But I just can't see Johnny losing with the overwhelming evidence here in his favor.

After this, both parties discussed jury instructions. Surprised they actually showed this. It was boring though, obviously. The most notable part from this that actually ensures that the counter-claim is dead, and if you recall my biggest concern about that counter-claim, the jury is being instructed to NOT make any inferences about Adam Waldman asserting attorney-client privilege to evade answering questions.

We're onto the last day. Thank god. It will be a good one though.

She talks about how she's using her experience to advocate for others and to speak up for those who have lived through what she has and are less fortunate. Amber, you admitted to not donating money you claimed to donate to charity. Come on now. But now she can't have a career and she can't have friends because of her harassment she receives!

She also admits that she knows people are threatening her much more after the trial started and mocking her testimony of being assaulted. Hey guys, neither party is supposed to be looking at social media now, just a quick reminder. And guess what? If you don't believe Amber and think maybe you feel bad for it, now you know that literally thousands of people, according to her, also don't believe her. She just wants Johnny to leave her alone though! They show Johnny and he just looks so unimpressed. Same, dude.

Amber claims that she kept quiet all the time and Johnny has been silencing her. Uhhhh? She's literally been talking about it constantly while he's been quiet. Hello? She has a RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN to talk about what happened to her. And that she wants to tell her truth. Looooong bench after that one. Guess what? Now their limitation on cross is opened to impeaching her on the truth of what she's said. WHOOPS.

Camille comes on for round two. This was a murder scene.

"You testified that this case has been hard for you, so let's talk about why. Your lies have been exposed to the world multiple times, right?"
"I haven't lied about anything I've said."

Notable is that it's been reported that multiple members of the jury looked shocked to see her say that. This is really going over well already. Camille starts by asking about the Hicksville instance with the trailer palace, and that Rocky Pennington didn't corroborate it and that the manager of the trailer park was reportedly furious was the damage done didn't corroborate her story either. Amber's defense? "I don't know who that man is but he's not the manager of that trailer park and wasn't there." Like what the fuck is this? NOBODY is going to believe this! Not a soul! He testified all about the place for foundation! But she says he was never there and people are coming out of the wood work to be involved in the Johnny Depp Show and therefor doesn't know what happened.

"So you're saying Mr. Night is a liar?"
"What I'm saying was that he wasn't there, and what he testified to is not what I know happened. But I don't fault him, because he wasn't there so how would he know?"

This is such a smug response. So you think this guy came in here, told a bunch of bullshit that could ruin your life, and then said "It's no big deal, I'm not that upset at him for lying to ruin me." Amber kept trying to talk over Camille while she was trying to ask questions.

Then Amber claims that she had no idea the paparazzi would be at the courtroom when she got her restraining order. Then says she brought her publicist IN CASE things would blow up. She reminds her of the Morgan Tremain testifying that he knew she would be there to pose for the shot. Her response? "Why would I possibly want that? What survivor of abuse could possibly want that!?" Good question Amber.

When asked about the TMZ video she claimed she never sent it and doesn't know if that's even true that only the rights holder can give it away! Camille keeps drilling her and pointing out the edits Amber made. "I know you testified earlier that you weren't smirking at this trial, but you sure were smirking at the end of the video."

"If I wanted to leak information, I could have done it in a more effective way and a lot sooner and a lot more. I was living with a mountain of this evidence. If I wanted to leak it, I could have done a lot more with it."
"You testified earlier that you don't know how to leak things."
"I don't!"

So much eye rolling sassiness from Amber for this. After she was nearly sobbing before. Camille shows a picture of Amber looking sad at the courthouse with her bruise, then shows her the next day hanging out with Rocky smiling big and laughing uproariously without a bruise on her, clearly not wearing make-up in the picture. Camille makes sure to zoom in on her face.

Then Camille shows a picture of wine on the floor and asks about when Amber testified it was on the floor. Amber claims she doesn't remember, and then Camille busts out the transcripts to show when she testifies that picture belonged to. And then Camille shows an identical picture with a different exhibit number that she has Amber read that she testified to THAT picture being from a completely separate incident. WHOOPS. They're shown side-by-side and then she claims that she can't say when it was from because Camille covered the metadata up and Camille says that she didn't cover it up because it's her exhibit and Amber just asks the Judge if they could remove the redaction and the Judge says that's how it's admitted into evidence. lmao And then Amber turns to the jury and starts trying to explain metadata to them like fuck off lady. Camille shuts that down.

"So which day is this picture from?"
"Well if you would remove the metadata, you could find out."
"Or if you were telling the truth, you would know."

Amber gets indignant and says she can't be expected to remember which situation that picture came from, it's been five years! She calls it absurd to expect that and that "that's not how that works." To stop it from getting worse, Rottenborn calls for a bench conference with the Judge and Camille. And at this point the Judge tells the gallery that if she hears one more sound from them that she will not allow anyone to observe. Apparently there was chatter throughout the day during breaks and such, when they're supposed to be quiet.

Camille brings up Amber saying on the audio that Johnny could tell people he was a victim of abuse and nobody would believe him, and she launched into a rant about how she said that because it was crazy since she was beaten up so much by him and that they signed a statement saying they weren't saying these allegations for monetary gain it only affected her, and he signed his name to it!

And then Camille says that Amber didn't expect so many people to show up and testify on his behalf. She says that's incorrect. Camille brings up that when Amber testified she thought about Johnny pushing Kate Moss down the stairs, she never expected Kate Moss to testify that never happened.

"Incorrect. I know how many people would come out of the woodwork to support Johnny."
"So you think Ms. Moss needs to come out of the woodwork to testify for Mr. Depp?"

DAY 23

We're almost done! And fortunately, this day was shorter because they didn't need to use all of their time! It was a hell of a day too.

Important note of the day is that Ben Chew has an alpaca doll with him all day today. When it got knocked down, he was setting it back upright. You could see it in his pockets at times too.

Depp has oooone more witness named Dr. Stephen Gilbert. He is a professional hand surgeon who does 300-400 hand surgeries a year, and basically all he did here was confirm that Johnny's finger wasn't crushed or sliced and wasn't broken with a phone like Amber tried to claim in one of her multiple different stories. He said this because the finger nail and top of his finger were purely intact and unhurt, and the rest of his fingers were fine and not bruised or anything if he was smashing it with a phone. He tore up the other surgeon Amber had who was a clown anyway and not to be taken seriously too.

Rottenborn crossed and tried to use weasel words and if you know Rottenborn during this whole thing, you have picked up on this entirely. He wasn't trying to prove that any of Amber's theories were true, he just tried to tear down the bottle idea. On redirect the newbie attorney who has done a few more of these did a good job rehabbing and reaffirming what he was saying why everything else but the bottle story was bullshit. That's it.

Johnny's rebuttal is closed! We're onto the Amber sur-rebuttal now! And keep in mind she has a little over an hour, so they made these QUICK.

Some computer forensic dude comes up whose name I couldn't be bothered to remember. I'll be honest, after hearing about all of the digital forensic stuff yesterday I'm kinda over hearing about it today. From what I hear, the jury felt the same. But he went up there to defend that the metadata in all the photos was fiiiiiine. But he wouldn't show any of the photos when he showed the metadata. That's really weird. So people were even more confused and checked out of it. Just horrible demonstratives here that were impossible to follow. I just don't understand how they thought he'd help.

Neither did Wayne, because he got up there and tore this apart effortlessly. This guy was just really evasive so he didn't look good. Like when Wayne asked if he could identify any of these as authentic originals and he was cagey about it. And when he brought up that they were coming from a photo editing software, he said that's not right because it came from Photos 3.0 which is a photo editing AND sorting software. Alright dude. Wayne then shows some of the altered pictures side-by-side and then this guy says they're visually different. So Wayne pulls up a bunch of identifying information with the time, date, file name, and location these were created, and they're both literally identical. He tries to bullshit about how he can't tell because he hasn't seen the metadata for them, which is exactly the point. Sunk. Redirect was just a few questions and... this was basically nothing.

Then fuck, Dr. Hughes is back to be smug about her credentials and busted testing. Apparently the jury was highly unimpressed with her after Dr. Curry took her down. The other issue is that Dr. Hughes had to rush through all of this so fast that it was just kind of noise. She sounded so condescending too so you're just bound to punt her to the curb. She made a big deal about Dr. Curry not following instructions with a "trust me bro I'm more qualified" reasoning.

Wayne came back with a vengeance though. He came up there and casually started to point out literally everything Dr. Hughes did incorrectly with her testing, pulling his source from the damn manuals.

"So you agree with me that we should read the manual. Would you also agree with me that you need to read the directions?"

Savagery. Big ones were that she used a test that wasn't supposed to be used, that referred her to use a different test instead, but she used both in her diagnosis. And that for one test Amber was supposed to describe her symptoms in the past year, but that Dr. Hughes instructed her to go back to when Amber was still in the relationship and describe her symptoms to determine if she had PTSD. This was effective because Dr. Hughes was so pissed off the whole time and it showed how defensive she was over it.

Elaine tried to redirect and was trying to get her to name a bunch of things that made her have PTSD, which meant she just wanted her to name off a bunch of bullshit Amber claimed happened again. Wayne was objecting like mad to all of these and winning them all. One time Elaine tried to plead her case after the Judge said it was sustained, and then the Judge just responded with "Sustained". She is going to be so happy to not deal with Elaine for a long time again. This was just not helpful at all and it didn't help their case at all.

And next is the main event, and the last thing the jury gets to see: Amber Heard comes back to the stand. This is such an awful idea. Amber's team HAS to be able to read the jury in general right now, and they have to know Amber is a loose cannon that cannot be controlled and just opens her mouth and looks terrible. I think they tried to advise her not to go back up but Amber demanded it, thinking she could turn this jury. I'll spoil it ahead of time, but the jury here was a combination of not looking at her at all, or actively looking at her incredulously during her testimony. This jury has no sympathy to give Amber Heard anymore. She's cooked. So when she is pleading her heart out and talking about how hard everything has been, and THAT'S the reaction she gets from the people deciding her fate? Who is going to actively argue in her favor at this point, when reports from multiple people reflect this? When there's at least 4 jurors who clearly don't buy into anything she's saying, with one actively mean mugging her the whole time. It's one thing to speculate what the jury is probably thinking as a reasonable person, but when you have eye witnesses telling you what the jury did, it's a whole other thing.

Rottenborn did this direct, thank fucking god. Because Elaine doing it would be even more disastrous. She starts off by saying that she's being threatened every day and that people are calling her a liar and that they're threatening to kill her and put her baby in a microwave, then claimed out of nowhere that Johnny Depp threatened her that if she ever left him he would make her think of him every single day she lived. Now imagine a jury hearing this and actively not caring. This is where we're at.

Amber then claimed that the Waldman statements have echoed and she is reliving the trauma from it, her hands shake constantly, and she wakes up screaming. I guess because someone said you were committing a hoax. Her friends and significant others need to live with unspoken rules on how to not surprise or scare her. Otherwise she'll have a panic attack, and that she'll have a meltdown for combat scenes in movies because she's just trying to SURVIVE. Then, outrageously, she claims she's not in the courtroom snickering, laughing, and making snide jokes. Remember when I told you guys the jury saw her jump out of her seat and cheer and gave her a weird look? Guess how good that claim is going to land. The jury has absolutely been watching her too.

And then she said SHE IS A HUMAN BEING, and that she doesn't deserve this, and that Johnny promised he'd do this to her! And that the comments had sent MILLIONS OF PEOPLE to attack her on Johnny's behalf. This was objected to and Amber just keeps talking over it. This is constant for her. But she gets objected to, immediately turns off the fury and hysterics, calmly waits, then immediately jumps back into her frantic yelling. It's not even subtle. It's just alarming.

I'll give more thoughts later, but just judging from the folks who were there talking about the jury, all of them seemed completely unsympathetic to her today when she gave a hysterical plea for them to believe her. Which isn't shocking. Apparently only one bothered to look at her, and she is apparently fully entrenched on Team Johnny the whole time leading up to this.

But to be completely clear, it's a jury, so anything is possible. But I think it's such a small percentage now they won't go in Johnny's favor. But we've seen lined up a teaser of the closing argument in Ben Chew's Motion to Strike arguments and it doesn't look pretty.

Basically, today you had Amber get no sympathy from the jury, she outright called every single person in this trial who testified for Johnny a liar who cannot be trusted, told the jury that the entire internet doesn't believe her, outright admitted that she made the article SPECIFICALLY because she was so upset people were still supporting Johnny, and she's been exposed as a liar time and time again in this court, and specifically exposed with Camille today.

What does Amber's team have in their favor here, really? They have no proof whatsoever of any actual abuse and jurors aren't stupid enough to buy into the insane lies that Amber was telling about being beaten to death and dancing around the next day without a mark on her. They can see her smirking with satisfaction when they talk about how she bullied her sister and blew off Johnny's finger. Jurors can be dumb, but my god the disparity in evidence here is astounding.

Closing arguments will seal it. Elaine is a disaster and the jury hates her. They don't like Rottenborn at all, and he can only do so much with their lacking evidence. They have a ton of respect for Camille from what everyone who has been there has said, and Ben Chew just absolutely slaughters every oral argument he's made.

Amber absolutely doesn't win her counter claim, and I just don't see a juror arguing hard for Amber during deliberation, when so many of them already seem like they don't like her to begin with.

Ayyy today was super short.

1 Depp witness, 2 disaster Amber witnesses and then Amber herself.

Amber got completely demolished by Camille and basically admitted to writing the op-ed because she was sick of people supporting Johnny and called literally every person who testified for Johnny a liar. Literally every single one.

I cannot believe how badly she screwed up with that. Just impossibly bad from Amber. They have malice and intent for the op ed now. So it's now up to whether or not she willingly lied. Which needless to say, it's looking pretty damning she did lie about it all. This closing argument tomorrow will be a massacre.

I predict Johnny wins with the fuck you amount of $7 million for what he paid Amber for the divorce settlement.

So he states all of the other methods he used to verify these, which is pretty extensive. And Rottenborn III asks if he testifies that Amber Heard modified any of them. He said he is only testifying they were modified. He also opened up the witness to say that his testimony was limited to only those three sets of photos and no other ones. Just more slimy tactics.

So we were wondering what the Judge ruled on with the bullshit discovery issues since no Order was made public to the court. It seems like she said they could have Numeister on to testify about them, but limited it to only three different photos to make his point, since she seems like she doesn't want this to become too much of a sticking point for the decision. Rottenborn III was just badgering with this witness trying to get the answer he wanted and Numeister just kept saying it was very different and he never got the answer he wanted and opened up to continue testifying about this. All of Depp's lawyers were laughing at Rottenborn III.

He was able to clarify on redirect until Rottenborn III objected and said that backups are outside the scope, and the Judge said Rottenborn III opened the door for that so the witness can continue. Jesus. Basically, it allowed him to spout off more technical stuff to back up his point that these weren't just back ups and that they all went through an editing software.

So you may be thinking now, this was REALLY REALLY bad but maybe there's at least one thing Amber told the truth about, right? Maybe one thing. Well Beverly Leonard is here via Zoom to talk about the time she arrested Amber Heard for beating the shit out of her former wife. Unbelievable they got this person. It was VERY limited. They were not allowed to say Tasya's name or her relation to Amber, that Amber was arrested, or that she was a cop. I think it's kind of bullshit that they can't come out and say that, frankly, but it's the Judge's ruling.

Anyway, Amber had an altercation with her "traveling companion" and grabbed her "traveling companion" and pulled her necklace from her neck and broke up a fight. She called someone to help and separated them. She said Amber was very aggressive and seemed to be not steady on her feet, her eyes were blurry, and that she reeked of alcohol. And that the "traveling companion" raised her hands defensively and was stoic in general. But Amber was saying they were just having an argument while Leonard tried to see how they were doing. The "traveling companion" had a bruise from her neck from her necklace being pulled off.

Beverly Leonard was sent an anonymous email, she literally doesn't know from who, and she reached out on their recommendation and reached out late last night. 11th hour witness here. And then Elaine tried to hit her with the "You're just trying to be famous." Apparently the jury was disgusted at this line of questioning. She was wondering why she wasn't contacted earlier, but she was happy to tell the truth about what happened.

I should note that Elaine was positively livid during the entire testimony and cross of this woman. She was distinctly enraged, probably because the jury is obviously going to make the connection like the rest of the world that this was the situation she got arrested in for beating up her other spouse. Completely nuked Amber from orbit with this one.

So that Night guy, the TMZ guy, and Leonard here all agreed to testify in this case to tell the truth. Amber told so many lies that people all over the country she was around appeared out of nowhere to set the record straight. That's actually pretty nuts.

That's it for today. Depp's team has one more witness tomorrow, who is supposed to be the flight attendant that Johnny Depp supposedly fed drugs to and broke her arm. So that will be fun. And then Amber gets to do her counter-claim rebuttal which uh... let's look at the time.

Depp: 7h8m left
Amber: 1h16m left

So we will not be seeing much out of Amber's team tomorrow. The Judge said she will cut them off immediately when they hit the mark. Amber's team has barely any time to counter anything done in this rebuttal, but the rumor is that Amber will be back on the stand again. This is completely insane to me. She gets on there for an hour, opens a bunch of doors, and then Depp's team has freedom to spend HOURS just drilling her about everything she talked about. If they're smart, Amber does not go back.

But tomorrow should be shorter (yay) and then Friday are the closing arguments and potential jury decision Friday or Tuesday. We're almost done!

Next up is Morgan Tremaine, live, as the ex-TMZ employee! He was a field assignment manager, which means he's the guy who sent the paparazzi out after receiving tips. They would receive tips from many people including celebrities themselves, publicists, and lawyers. The guys above him have to verify that the tip is legitimate, because that dictates how much time it takes for him to dispatch.

He was the guy that sent paparazzi to the courthouse when Amber was getting her restraining order. He said they would never send anyone to a courthouse unless they had a tip. He dispatched them to photograph Amber and the bruise on her face. They were told that she was going to purposefully turn her face to give them a good shot of her bruise. He said they got the pictures.

Then he mentioned that he also dispatched paparazzi to receive pictures of her doing a deposition for the law office as well. And then again, for a trip she was taking in LAX. He mentions both of these were verified tips.

Then he also said that he received the video through a link with Johnny Depp smashing cabinets and they downloaded it and they put bumpers on it and watermark to officially copyright it. (Side note: This is not how copyright works.) He says that the only way they can obtain copyright if it was verified and purchased and/or given to them by the rights holder, which is who made the video. If it's directly from the source, it takes 15 minutes. He said it took 15 minutes for them to throw up the video, and that TMZ absolutely owns the copyright. Oh, and this video was a lot shorter than the one played in the UK trial and this trial, because it removed the parts where she was setting up the camera and also the part where she is smirking at the camera, and he verified it was clipped out when they received it.

So let's see... Amber claimed nobody contacted TMZ letting them know she'd be at the courthouse getting her restraining order, and that she has no idea how TMZ got the video but they were able to immediately verify it was received from the rights holder who made it and also were able to immediately verify that Amber would be at the courthouse. I mean, it doesn't get more damning than this that Amber is a lying sack of shit.

Cross comes on and Elaine does it whyyyyyy. He said all he saw was the clip of the video from this trial. She tries to make very vague connections to Morgan here and Depp's family members and it's absurd.

"And you know this is being televised, do you not?"
"I am aware that there are cameras."
"And so this gets you your 15 minutes of fame, right?"
"I stand nothing to gain from this. I'm actually putting a target on my back by TMZ who is very litigious. So I am not taking my 15 minutes here. But you are welcome to speculate. And I could say the same thing for taking Amber as a client for you."

Elaine just got fucking annihilated so badly by this dude. Maybe don't open up with this idiotic argument because it's awful and opens yourself up. She also tried to imply Johnny's PR team was the one who was calling TMZ to set up all of this. What.

Camille on redirect just asks him how he got in contact with her. He said he reached out because he saw the video was very different than the one they had received with TMZ. He said he just wanted to help out with the timeline of things and didn't anticipate he would be testifying, but was happy to speak the truth. That's all for redirect. This guy just killed Amber's credibility entirely.

You might be thinking... how can this get worse? Well, Brian Numeister testifies and he was a grossly overqualified digital forensic guy that was hired to analyze the metadata in everything that Amber submitted. It was such a fucking disaster and delivered way, way, way too late. He says he doesn't really testify often because 2% of cases ever go to trial and data is easy usually.

He authenticated the pictures Amber had of her injuries. God, I will butcher this if I try to explain it but let me try. He analyzed the Exif info, which tells you what software the file is coming from. Basically, a ton of the photos didn't come from the iPhone software, it came from the Photos app, which you use to edit the pictures.

So you guys remember Rottenborn III who was the baby associate that objected to his own question and asked about Depp's penis? That's the guy doing cross for him. But so far he's just objecting constantly and losing all of them. It's so bad.

For instance, he said there were a dozens of different versions of Amber's photo where she is showing off the bruise on her arm. He said that they were all different file sizes, physical sizes, and chromatic values. They went through Photos 1 software and Photos 3 software, which he notes are image editing software apps.

Basically, he showed three different versions of that picture and showed off the file size and said they were impossible to authenticate because none of them were the source photo and went through some kind of transformation to make those file sizes. Rottenborn III kept getting butthurt that he was mentioning colors.

He shows off how he analyzes all the data and it's kind of interesting I guess, but he verifies they are odd and come from the Photos 3.0 app and not from the iPhone software.

Then they play a video he made of Amber with a bruise on her cheek that they presented two versions of in court. She maintains they were completely different, and then the two pictures flash back and forth and... the only difference between them is the hue is red in one of them. Everything else is identical. The one that is less red is the iPhone source while the more red one is the Photos 3.0 source. He shows another video of Aber and her bruise where both of them come from different directions until they place perfectly over one another. And then it flashes back and forth, same thing. One is more red than the other and that's the only difference. Same deal with the source.

He mentioned one was more red than the other and then Rottenborn III objects stating that they made a ruling on the colors and he keeps violating it. Absolutely horrific lawyering. You don't SAY what you ruled on because then it gives the jury an excuse to look for it. If they weren't thinking about you wanting to make sure he didn't talk about it being more red, they're definitely thinking it now!

They have another objection over him explaining more of the data he looked into and Rottenborn III actually won the objection here. So Numeister said it would be impossible to authenticate anything though, and then it goes to Rottenborn III.

"From your testimony, you rely on the Exif metadata but no other data, is that correct?"
"Incorrect."
"What other data did you rely on for the opinions you testified on today?"
"I was trying to explain but you kept me--"
"NO. What other data did you rely on actual opinions you've been able to testify to today?"

So he tries to explain and then he objects and calls it non-responsive to his question. BRO YOU MADE AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION ASKING ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST GOT A SUCCESSFUL RULING ON. What did you think would happen!? Like the witness even tried to tell you twice that you kept him from answering it before. They go to a sidebar and then the Judge just tells him that he can answer the question. Rottenborn III is so bad.

"Can you restate the question?"
"Uhhhhh. I don't recall the question Your Honor."

Absolutely hilarious. You KNOW what you just asked. You just had a sidebar talking about it. What is this!? He says maybe they can ask it on redirect, but the Judge sees through this and says that they can have the court reporter recite it. So she does and he starts to answer and he objects and says it's beyond the scope. lol The Judge tells him to answer it.

He said Joel Mandel was a bitter man that was upset he sued him over him embezzling him a ton of money. They transition into talking about how he is very involved in charity. He says he never wants his name attached because he doesn't want it to be about him, and that when he had movies with Disney and such he would talk with them to make the premiere more of a charity gala for Children's Hospital. He also talked about how he would make appearances and visit hospitals and do Make A Wish appearances with children.

Johnny also said he told Amber when he tried to break up with her that he would be away from their home on his band's tour and then he'd be in England to celebrate his daughter's birthday.

Depp Lawyer: How did the events of [the date Amber filed restraining order] effect you?
Depp: It changed everything.
Rottenborn: Objection, relevance?
Depp: Oh, it didn't change everything?

Johnny then explained just how horrible it was to hear her lying about him and saying the most horrific things about him. He says he's not perfect, but he has never in his life committed sexual battery or physical abuse, calling them outlandish and outrageous. He said he waited for six years to bring the truth out and that it wasn't easy for anyone here, but no matter what he got here and told the truth. Good ending to this.

We're on the lunch now, but this time we get a bonus time with the TMZ motion! The Judge says the TMZ lawyer was already off to a bad start since he cited criminal law and this is a civil case, but she was willing to hear him out anyway. She knew her mind was made up already and so did every lawyer there. But the interesting part was that he claimed that the ex-TMZ guy was subpoenaed last night (which gives him more room to argue that it's invalid), Ben Chew said they never subpoenaed him, and then the TMZ lawyer said he has the subpoena right there.

Then Rottenborn Jr. suddenly goes wide-eyed looking at the TMZ lawyer, looking frantic and worried that the Judge was going to ask to see it. So basically what happened, and I don't know for sure, but Chew isn't going to lie about subpoenaing him. That gets the witness disqualified. But there's a subpoena sent yesterday. So what I and others have ascertained is that the subpoena probably came from Amber's team and they were playing a fast one so they could try to get him disqualified. This is so scummy.

The Judge basically said it's not her problem and she doesn't care as politely as possible. Chew had great arguments with case law backing it. Then Elaine came up like a frantic maniac and talked about how this person should have been on their witness list and that she thinks he's going to testify that Amber had told TMZ about her getting the restraining order. The Judge then says "Do you have anything to talk about concerning this motion? Because we can deal with the rest later." Elaine tries to argue and the Judge tells her to sit. lmao BTFO by Judge.

Then the TMZ Lawyer tries to argue again, the Judge says she's denying their motion, but then he asked if he could object to the ex-TMZ guy. She said no, he's not a party to the suit. The Judge could not give a fuck what this lawyer had to say and was fighting back laughing pretty clearly at points. And then she says Ben Chew is just a sarcastic guy.

Rottenborn's cross of Johnny was next. He was vicious during this. He tried to say that they photoshopped the picture to make it look like he was injured, and they took a social media post from the train's Facebook to attempt proving it. And he also showed a picture where there's a shadow that makes it look like he has a black eye and they got lost in the weeds with Depp explaining how shadows and lighting works and from what I hear the jury hated all of this and didn't buy it.

To Rottenborn's credit, he was solid during the rest of it. He kept Depp from talking as much. He was grossly mischaracterizing things and doing some scummy things during it though. He claimed that the bottle that was shattered didn't have a handle on it. And Depp had to argue with him that the bottle is shattered and that's why you can't see the handle. He brought up testimony where Depp said he took a phone off a wall to make a call on it as well, but we've seen a picture of the phone on the counter and no destroyed phone on the ground.

Rottenborn also took a few quotes where he said Depp made claims of taking women if he wants them and other pretty awful things like that. They show the text messages and it's in a group chat and it says they were incoming, whereas all of Johnny's texts had said outgoing before, so it was someone else in that chat. It wasn't talked about on redirect though so I guess somehow 6 lawyers on Depp's team all missed that. Regardless, Depp never said those comments and he claimed he never said them at all. Oh and Rottenborn's team is trash and they forgot to redact a couple phone numbers (kind of a big deal for a publicized trial like this) and later on redirect Depp's team had to redact them live.

Rottenborn also claimed that Johnny tried to get Amber fired from Aquaman, when all he did was talk to Warner Bros. execs about what was going on and that they should be prepared about any bad press that comes to both of them.

They also showed a very elaborate text Depp made about how karma would be coming back for Amber and calling her many lovely awful names and that he needs texts from someone for any pending litigation and talking about "mollusk" and about how he'll face him like a man and show "mollusk" his dick when he chops it off. I'll let you guys figure out who Mullosk is.

And then he tried to say that Depp already had a chance to tell his truth at the UK trial and he tried to explain that it was limited what could be discussed but he couldn't really get it out because of Rottenborn. Redirect came though and Depp was able to explain it after. Rottenborn tried to object, but he brought it up so it was overruled. Depp looked directly at him and said, "You'll be okay." He got it all out in general though.

They bring up the mollusk text again and then he explained his entire life was destroyed and that's why he was saying all of that and explained he has talked about violence in times of anger, never to anyone directly, but he would assault cabinets and never a person and that he was just furious over the lies.

He mentioned he felt responsible for having gone to Warner Bros. on Amber's behalf and that he wanted to tell them what they would be facing down the line with two of their major franchises as a result of the media that was coming out. He said he only reached out because WB was getting more and more upset and worried and he told them exactly what was going wrong because he felt responsible for having spoken out for Amber before. He closed by stating he never physically abused Amber during their relationship.

Overall this was risky, there was some bad in this, but I don't think it was that bad. LawTube is abuzz about how bad it was, but I don't think that it really hurt him. Especially with how bad Amber looks now.

DAY 22

So today was just "Amber and her attorneys have 0 credibility and Amber is a complete liar" day in court. There's basically no coming back for her because Jesus.

First up via Zoom is Kate Moss of all people. She was only brought into this because Amber Heard claimed that Johnny told her that he pushed Kate Moss down the stairs and Amber claimed that was the reason that she struck Johnny for the first and only time ever. If Amber could have stopped lying for like five seconds, Kate would have been barred from being a witness. Because of this, her testimony was also very limited in what she could say--it had to be entirely because of the rumor. But having someone Johnny was in a relationship with decades ago testify is kind of huge.

Amber was like, twitching and jerking uncomfortably during this testimony. It was super weird. Basically, she told the story that she actually slipped because it was rainy and fell down the stairs and Johnny ran down, carried her to her room, and got her medical attention. That's all. And apparently after this according to someone who was there, Elaine looked back at Rottenborn and shook her head rapidly and they decided not to cross examine her. So Amber was lying about that. Next, move on.

Dr. Curry is here live and I'll be honest, I kind of got tired of what she was saying after enough time. However, she did a complete and thorough takedown of Dr. Hughes, the crazy psychiatrist that Amber had testify before her that claimed Dr. Curry was completely wrong about everything. She basically talked about how all of Dr. Hughes' tests were completely inappropriate and exploited and all she really did was give Amber checklists to analyze her that were highly inaccurate and used for the wrong context of what she was looking for. If you're really interested, you can listen to it yourself. I'll list the good stuff.

- Amber looked extremely uncomfortable and angry during this one too. She wouldn't even look up this time.
- You just need to watch Dr. Curry to see how much more credible she is than Dr. Hughes ever was. She seems so much more knowledgeable and calm.
- Dr. Hughes omitted data that said Amber was lying about PTSD and took her at face value.
- If Amber had the level of PTSD she represented in the tests, she would not be outgoing, having fun, achieving level 3 somalier training, having dinner parties, etc.
- Amber scored in the 98th percentile of lying on the PTSD test.

Elaine does cross which Jesus Christ why even bother? Dr. Curry was just grinning the whole time and Elaine was rehashing the amount of money Dr. Curry was making and then her having dinner thing. Dr. Curry was just done already one minute into this cross and explained she was there for a while, was hungry, she asked if she could get something to eat, so they brought dinner for everyone.

"You testified that you had a mule, did you not?"
"I said there were mules there. I truly don't remember if I had one."
"Well there were no animals there, correct? Because that would be ridiculous."

???????????

Eventually Dr. Curry was answering questions and Elaine was like "We're on a very strict time limitation, so I need you to just answer my questions." ELAINE! IT'S YOUR FAULT YOU'RE ON A STRICT TIME LIMITATION! Apparently the jury took many notes during Dr. Curry's testimony and on cross they didn't write anything and looked annoyed at the dinner talk.

"You understand Dr. Hughes administered 12 different tests, correct?"
"If you want to qualify those as tests, sure."

At one point Elaine says something that Dr. Curry found claiming it was in her notes. Dr. Curry said that it was not in her notes and asked if Elaine had her notes. Elaine just barrelled past it. This cross is a complete disaster for Elaine. Nobody buys any bullshit Elaine is saying.

Redirect came up and Dr. Curry explained that she had to admit that during the tests, she actually had such a horrible time trying to get direct answers from Amber, she had to create forms and said it would be unproductive to interview her. That was one of two questions they bothered to redirect. Fuck, Elaine is so bad. The Depp experts just make it so easy to explain why Amber's experts were so full of shit.

Johnny Depp is back on the stand again, live obviously. The curly black-haired attorney whose name I swear I've never heard did this one. She's kind of second to Chew and Vasquez so far. She did a lot of these today and was really solid in all of them.

Depp began by saying he only saw the Adam Waldman statements for the first time when Amber filed her counter-claim. They were careful to avoid opening a door to discuss his talks with Waldman.

Amber looked furious when Johnny discussed how he helped Amber get her role in Aquaman. Basically, Warner Bros. seemed like they were going to pass because of her issues in Australia because Aquaman was being filmed in Australia for much of it. For those who don't know, she was in trouble for smuggling her dogs into Australia, despite many many warnings that it was illegal, and she got caught and she had to do a public apology with Johnny on video. Look it up. She's also being investigated for perjury there now. In any case, he talked with the Warner Bros. execs because he had a good relationship with them from the Fantastic Beasts movies and he informed them that the situation was fine and they don't need to worry and should still hire her.

Then with the photos of the bar where Johnny's finger was blown off, he was able to point out the details in his story like where the chair was, where the shattered bottles were, where the blood was, and how there was no wall mounted phone there. Apparently he had texted Dr. Kipper a bit after his finger was blown off with that nasty text about how he was done with Amber and how she was too ambitious among other angry and reasonably furious things, providing context for that timeframe. When asked how he was able to text in his state, he pointed at his blown off finger and said "He wasn't available" and that he used his thumbs. He also said he misses the chunk of his finger that was blown off. Oh, and when asked if he took 8-10 MDMA why that wasn't true, he said, "Because I'd be dead."

It's worth pointing out that during Johnny's entire testimony before, Amber had big sad puppy eyes and looked traumatized. Contrast it to now where he's talking about it now and she has a smug, almost Norman Bates looking smirk on at all times. And she's excitedly talking to her counsel during it. Like what the fuck. The jury can see you. They're going to pick up on this that you're looking like some kind of supervillain now as he recounts how you blew his finger off. It honestly felt unsettling at some points.

I should also say that Johnny seems like he's fed up with this trial and especially fed up with Rottenborn. Johnny was getting into the story of how he got the shiner on that picture on the train and Rottenborn objected. So Johnny just said, "She hit me. Is that better?" Dude is well past done with Rottenborn, and it kind of makes sense since he's had to sit here and listen to them lie about him this whole time.

Johnny also said he told the story of Kate Moss falling down the stairs to Amber. And then he noted that the rumor that he shoved Kate Moss down the stairs never came into being until Amber manipulated that story he told her to create a rumor publicly.

He discussed his relationship with Whitney, where Whitney was often belittled and insulted by Amber and treated cruelly and they bonded over the fact they were both treated by Amber like this. He said she moved out of the penthouse because Amber was upset at Whitney because she worked with Jennifer Howell, and Amber is the one that kicked her out.

Holy shit this baby associate on Amber's team is doing some positively terrible lawyering. He's the guy who objected to himself and asked about Depp's penis. He just keeps shooting himself in the foot. I feel kinda bad, but this is 2/2 in awful cross examinations so far for him.

Speaking of TMZ, the guy who testified just said Amber was a liar and sent them the video and her people put in the call for them to record her, specifically stating they were promised Amber would turn her face so they could get a picture of her bruise.

If you are on that jury and you were wondering how much Amber was lying, this made it clear: she did about literally everything.

Next up is a digital forensic guy who is testifying the bullshit and alterations Amber made to the photos she submitted. Her credibility and the credibility of her attorneys is gone.

The Judge very politely told TMZ to stuff it and that it's not her problem. TMZ witness is on for today.

Overall it's been an outstanding day for Johnny so far. But Rottenborn gets to cross examine him after this which may be problematic. But given their collective impotence with this case, I'm not too concerned.

Edit: Also, most striking to me is when Johnny is telling about how Amber abused him and her sister, she had the most smug smile on her face. And she was just chattering and smirking with Elaine throughout it. Like during his whole rebuttal testimony, she was doing this. She's abandoned the forlorn sad girl face she had on his initial testimony. And I don't feel like she realizes that the jury can actively see her still because it's a bad look.

Anyway, he said he went there the next day to see the trailer. You know, the one that was supposedly completely destroyed, and he said one of the light fixtures was broken and that was it. And he says that happens all the times. But literally nothing but the light fixture was broken. He said it was no big deal and he just tucked the wires away and he paid all of $62 for the repairs that Amber alleged were hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of damages. And he said he never saw Johnny get physical with anyone.

And Elaine actually comes up here and goes "So you're a pretty big fan of Johnny Depp, aren't you!?" He said he actually wasn't and the gallery gave a pretty loud laugh at that. FFS Elaine. And then she said that he wanted to come here and testify. He said he didn't really care and just did so because he was asked by Depp's team and wanted to tell the truth. But Elaine said that he knew it would be broadcasted and that he SEIZED THE MOMENT by Tweeting "THE LEAD PERSON FOR MR. DEPP'S TWITTERS THE UMBRELLA GUY".

"Uh, The Umbrella Guy is the lead what...? I'm sorry."

"The lead Twitters for Johnny Depp."

"I have no idea. I don't care or follow The Umbrella Guy."

"But you DO follow an account called 'Johnny Depp Fan', do you not?"

"Absolutely not."

And then Elaine brings the Tweet he made saying that the Trailer Palace situation didn't happen like that at all and he was there and that Amber was the one acting jealous and crazy. WHY WOULD YOU BRING THIS INTO EVIDENCE FOR THE JURY TO SEE!? And then they published it for the jury to see! Why!?

"Four days after you Tweeted to That Umbrella Man, you--"

"I thought it was The Umbrella Guy."

"...Umbrella Guy."

I get that they are trying to impeach him and claim he's biased or something but this is actual insanity.

"Are you aware that Mr. Adam Waldman said he was in talks with ThatUmbrellaGuy-- Do you know who Adam Waldman is?"

"I have no idea."

"Well he testified earlier that he talks to The Umbrella Guy."

"That he what? That he talks to The Umbrella Guy?"

"Yes, were you aware of that?"

"I honestly--This sounds like schizophrenia."

I died. Absolutely died. Elaine, you sound like a fucking lunatic being so far in the weeds malding about an internet grifter with a funny name!

"Four days after that, you Tweeted something pretty nasty about Elon Musk, didn't you?"

"I did."

"Thank you, and you don't like Elon Musk, do you? ... You texted something that had swear words in it about Elon Musk, would you agree?"

"Yes."

This is absolute madness. What does this have to do with anything. Why. You're trying to bury the man for saying naughty words on Twitter Dot Com. Elaine finally escapes from this line of questioning and just drills him on what he saw and tries to put doubt into what he saw but he was pretty unflappable. So she essentially summarized everything he saw that was damning to Amber's testimony. Great job Elaine.

Elaine objected to everything on re-direct and only got half of them and one time she stood up and went "Ob--Nevermind." This woman is a disaster. It was a short re-direct where he just re-iterated he just wanted to tell the truth and didn't really care about the trial.

Next up is another live witness. You remember bizarre lizard cretin from yesterday that seemed out of his mind? Dr. Shaw came on and was basically the exact opposite. A psychiatrist from England who spent his time talking about how grossly unethical Lurch was and explaining the Goldwater Rule is great detail and how the other guy violated it. During breaks of him talking, he had a real sinister smile somehow though, like he was taking great delight in tearing apart Dr. Spiegel. It's such a night and day comparison between those two and this guy seems so much more well-read.

His whole purpose was to eviscerate Dr. Spiegel. He did so incredibly well. Oh, and they had the baby associate for Depp's team do this one. Good for her. Probably her first expert witness direct. She kinda got bullied on objections though. Cross was nothing, just a little slippery trick to act like Depp evaded being properly evaluated and baby associate got up there and just clarified that Depp wasn't ordered to be evaluated by the Court like Amber was. She got back to her bench and all of Depp's team, including Depp himself, congratulated her. It was actually kinda heart warming.

Next up is Jennifer Howell in a video depo who was um... er... okay. This is all just weird so bear with me. You recall me saying she was a huge factor and basically had evidence in which she wrote a letter saying that Whitney is a liar and outlining that Amber abused Whitney and blew off Johnny's finger and all of that.

Well... we didn't really get any of that, and I'm not sure why. It was broken up into two testimonies. Both incredibly short. The first of which was Elaine questioning how sure Jennifer Howell was of the dates that Whitney stayed with her. And then the next had her explaining that she was unbiased and an anonymous donation was made to her charity before she was set to testify on behalf of Amber, implying she tried to bribe her. Also, it was from Elon Musk too. lol This mother fucker spent so much money on Amber who didn't even like him. What a dope.

Then they talk about the letter Jennifer sent to Whitney but... they don't show it...? I'm honestly extremely confused. But she did say that in it she wanted Whitney to tell the truth because she was being dishonest to protect her sister because she loved Whitney dearly. Then it ends abruptly with Jennifer chewing out Richard (Rottenborn) about how she was attacked by him and his team for 3 hours and was promised to speak with Depp's team. So uh... what the hell. They didn't seem like they admitted the letter or UK depo into evidence...? It's on the evidence list though.

I'm confounded. I researched this and the greater LawTube folks are confused about it too. The only theory so far is that they might be saving it for closing arguments, since it would waste a lot of their time if they started going over it live. Or it seems like something fucky was going on with the depo too so maybe they didn't have a way to present it authentically with time? It's very strange and I'm hoping it becomes apparent why eventually.

Next up is a representative for Children's Hospital who testified all they got was a check from Elon Musk on behalf of Amber and that she had no other communications with Amber and not a single pledge even to donate money to them because she blew them off entirely after claiming she donated all the money to them. That's all.

Today's depos are over! Apparently the timekeeper for today had to attend a mandatory CLE, which is confusing to me since those are basically required classes to maintain your license. I don't know why any would necessarily be mandatory unless he was close to missing the number he needed. But in any case, the Judge has a rough number of hours left as a result.

Johnny: About 10h51m left
Amber: About 2h54m left

I feel like Amber's team burned a lot more than an hour and fifteen minutes though. But Depp's team is on pace to spend another 5 hours each day. That's it for today. It was mostly to destroy all of Amber's witnesses and they were wildly successful at it. Dr. Curry is up next to obliterate the other expert tomorrow, and word is Kate Moss and Johnny Depp will also be going up on the stand again.

Poor Baby Rottenborn had no fucking chance with this cross. He tried to discredit Marks by saying he hasn't done any deals with superhero movies. But the man has done literally everything else including franchise films. He also tried to get him to admit that actors haven't gotten big roles after their breakthrough roles in a superhero movie and it was just ridiculous. I mean what are you supposed to do with a cross with this guy honestly?

So on re-direct they ask him to go over all of his big franchise deals he's done and he dead ass says he's done so many he can't remember, but that he's done some for Chris Pratt and Paul Rudd. Look out for them in streaming series too, compliments of Richard Marks!

Next is Michael Spindler, a forensic accountant from earlier in the trial here live. They immediately objected and went to the bench. They did not like this dude at all. But basically he came up and tore apart the asserted $100 million in damages and outright said there were no calculations at all and no detailed calculations were made, and he couldn't think of a way to get even close and didn't even try. They kept going up to the bench to object repeatedly. On cross, Rottenborn did a good job against him and did the best he could. But I mean, all of what he said was common sense that the jury was probably already thinking. He did as good as he could have to try to discredit this witness, but they were so narrow where he said "Have you ever calculated damages for an actress in a female superhero role in court before?" Wayne asked one question on redirect but the stream was muted. lol whoops.

Next up is Mr. Q Score himself, Doug Banya (sp?) who did the weird Q Score stuff earlier in the trial. The man redeemed himself so much and said that Amber's prodigy Hashtag Guy and Kathryn Arnold are so completely full of shit and nothing supports any allegations that the Waldman tweets had anything to do with Amber's shitty career.

He took the timing of the Tweets and analyzed how many were negative and how many of them even referred to anything Waldman said in the article. He did an amazing job. I'll include a chart he used to show just how badly Amber's argument looked while actually looking at the data legitimately. If you look at the chart, you can understand his argument. The man seemed legitimately offended at how badly they butchered data analysis. But basically he took every spike of Hashtags and found what was being discussed about Amber during that time, and the Waldman statements were during a decline in hashtags.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/9/7/AATFBfAADRCF.jpg

He also found that exactly 0.06% of tweets with those hashtags included "Abuse Hoax" "Sexual Violence Hoax" and "Fake Sexual Violence" with another handy chart to show it off.

And then he compared the Q SCORES of the other celebrities that were used as comparable. Holy shit Amber is fucking trash at the time Aquaman came out. lol She also compared the social media followers of Amber to everyone else. Needless to say, she did not match up to Gal Gadot, Jason Mamoa, or Zendaya. I'll show the Q Score comparison because it's completely brutal too. Just eviscerating any argument these actors can be compared to Heard.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/9/8/AATFBfAADRCG.jpg

On cross Baby Rottenborn tried to discredit him. He did alright in some points, but this guy was pretty iron clad. He asked him a bunch of irrelevant questions as well and he just maintained that wasn't part of his research.

"I still don't even know what Waldminion means. It wasn't expalained in any of Mr. Schnell's research." lol

This was so ineffectual they didn't even re-direct.

Next up is a more interesting situation with Mr. Night, who owned the trailer palace that Amber and everyone got high in where Johnny supposedly threatened to break a girl's arm and trashed a trailer. They had to voir dire him because he was brought on for rebuttal, and they didn't know they would call him beforehand. Problem is this is a global trial, so he definitely saw something. He said he saw a clip of someone testifying that Johnny threatened to break someone's arm, he commented on someone's Twitter saying that wasn't how it happened because he was there and if anything Amber was the jealous one. But one of his former work partners reached out to Johnny's team, then they reached out to him and gave them his number, and he didn't watch any more of the trial because they said they might call him in as a witness.

Fucking Elaine I swear to god it's her turn for questions and she's just so bad at this. She tried to drill him about what he knew, what he saw, but he was just chill about it all while she was so aggro. He said he couldn't even remember who it was in the clip that said Johnny grabbed that woman.

"Do you recall if you replied to The Umbrella Man?" He laughs and says he doesn't know.

So let me go down a rabbit hole with you all so you can understand why this is so wild. Amber Heard's team, Eve Bartlow, and Amber Heard herself hate a few separate people who have been detailing all of the lies Amber has told leading up to this trial. Adam Waldman also spoke to them. They have done wild things like shit talk them on Twitter, trying to mess with their Youtube channels, among other things. ThatUmbrellaGuy was one of them, brought up during the Waldman depo as someone Waldman spoke to.

These people HAAAATE ThatUmbrellaGuy and a few others who have been constantly posting about Amber Heard leading up to this case. For those that don't know, ThatUmbrellaGuy is your typical outrage commentator grifter who complains about woke comic books. As far as those types go, he seems to be the most tolerable of them I guess? But it's still pretty much a grift. Make a couple outrage videos a day, profit, etc. Like as far as these types go, he's probably the least offensive of the ones I've seen. I dunno. YMMV. I don't know too much about him if he's been involved in dumb drama I'm not aware of. Share your ThatUmbrellaGuy stories in this topic I guess.

Anyway, Elaine cannot stop fucking up any and every name. She screwed up hard with the amica cream and now she can't even get ThatUmbrellaGuy's name right. She's also mixed up other names through the trial too.

But this guy just seemed like a down to Earth dude who just came here to speak the truth about what happened when asked. Anyway, the Judge said he could testify and we're on for a very interesting suprise witness!

Basically, he testified that Johnny was really social and friendly to everyone at first. He was even hanging out with himself and the other innskeeper. He described Amber as being annoyed Johnny wasn't spending more time with him. Johnny was talking to Night and then Amber said she needed to talk to him, and then she started screaming at him and he said it was triggering because he was in an emotionally abusive relationship before. That last bit was objected to because you can't suggest she's an abuser when that's a question in play like that. lol It makes sense why he felt strongly enough to come all the way out here though, and the jury heard it. He didn't seem like he was trying to sneak it in or anything. It's really more like he just doesn't get how to be a witness in a trial?

He said Johnny was cowering and afraid, which he noted because it seemed really odd to him and he left. When he saw him next, Johnny apologized profusely to him. And he was also very quiet and kept to himself after that. Elaine was winning a lot of her objections against Camille here actually, to her credit. This guy just clearly wasn't prepped at all for this, which is fine given the timeframe.

DAY 21

So we kick off the day with Amber's team immediately resting their case. That does not happen often, but I assume they noticed the days left and said eff it and if they had anything planned still, they didn't do it.

Which means that now, as is typical, Depp's team can do a motion to strike on Amber's counter-claim. It harms nothing to try, normally it's never granted, just like the initial motion to strike that Amber's team did to Depp's claim.

Ben Chew gave another speech, but hardly felt as impassioned. I feel like I've explained why I feel it should be dismissed, but to summarize Chew's oral argument he claimed that they didn't prove that Waldman was acting as an agent for Depp and that Heard's team couldn't name any case law to support it. He defended that the restraining order ordeal was a hoax by naming off people who didn't see any bruises so it wasn't false and therefore defamation. He did an awesome job with this honestly. Can't complain too much. Ben Chew is VERY good.

I need to say Rottenborn is actually a good lawyer too, but his case sucks. He made as good of a defense he could as possible and basically put enough doubt in to justify why the counter-claim should exist. That's all he really had to do, and he did a good job of it. He didn't really have any case law defending his position which WAS noticeable. There were a few WTF moments that aren't really worth pointing out in general (such as that all of Amber's friends corroborated her story despite them all being wildly different).

Chew gets back up and gives a really good defense again. Notable moment was "She stiffed the ACLU, which after the travesty they contributed in with this case you can't feel too bad about." ACLU burn yeeeeeah. This felt like a practice for his closing arguments honestly.

Judge upholds the counter-claim, which isn't shocking. I think this is probably the strongest case of throwing out the counter-claim that there could be, but I had a feeling she might want the jury to decide on it. I think having them decide the scope of agency is pretty nutty still, but I think the Judge has a sense for how the jury feels anyway and isn't worried. It's a high profile case, so she probably wants complete transparency and doesn't want to be fucked if it gets appeal. However, the case for the counter-claim is still really horrible and the jury wasn't buying into any of it, so it's fine.

And if the jury didn't believe it before, all of Depp's witnesses today just killed all of the supposed damages entirely. There's just nothing here for the counter-claim anymore after Johnny's rebuttal witnesses today.

So you remember when Amber said that she lost her contract for Aquaman 2 and had to fight hard to get it back and James Wan and Jason Mamoa both loved her and fought for her to come back and that her role went from a lead to a very minor role with each iteration of the script? Well, Walter Hamada, who is the president of Warner Bros.' DC movies, went ahead and testified that none of that is true and that Amber was just lying about all of it. He appeared via video deposition.

Basically, he said that it was a standard contract with an option where she would get $2 million in the next movie. He said the early development of the script was that Mera's involvement would be extremely minor from the jump and that the whole movie was built around Aquaman and Orm having a buddy comedy adventure. And he clearly stated that her compensation was not effected by anything said by Adam Waldman or the situation with Johnny Depp.

He did explain that he felt that Amber and Mamoa had no chemistry at all and they were debating not even including her at all because of it, and that they did have discussions with Mamoa where he didn't want her either. Hamada said that they made it work in the first movie and elaborated it was movie magic where they manipulated the scenes enough in post-production, but it was too much trouble. She was never released from her contract. She just had her option picked up. These came out of Elaine's questions, and even this guy seemed like he wanted to be doing anything other than listening to Elaine.

"It's like what makes a movie star a movie star? You know it when you see it, and the chemistry wasn't there."

Absolutely obliterated Amber.

Elaine brought up that once James Wan texted Amber during a test screening telling her that they loved her in that. That's the most positive thing they could drag out of this guy about Amber's role. And that's it. Anything with the Johnny situation had absolutely nothing to do with Amber's role and contract with Aquaman 2.

Elaine also had a hilarious moment where she said "How do you fabricate Aquaman?" And Hamada was just so confused and asked her to clarify. Does Elaine know that Jason Mamoa cannot actually breathe underwater?

Next was Johnny's treating physician for his hand in a remote testimony. Not the guy who did the initial surgery, but the guy who took care of him when he got back and his hand was recovering. There wasn't much here, but he said his cast would have made it impossible to grab with that hand and that he never saw any bruises on his hand or damage to his soft cast which would have been very noticeable if he were punching people with it. Rottenborn got him to say that throwing bullshit on the ground and making a mess would be possible for him to do with his soft cast on.

Next up is my favorite, Richard Marks who is the guy who testified doing a million deals in Hollywood including a little thing you may have heard of called Star Wars and he was here live. The jury loved this guy. The man came on here and in seconds just immediately said that Amber's Hollywood Expert from yesterday didn't have any experience making deals, she's slick and smooth but doesn't know anything and that her assessment of damage was built on nothing and wildly speculative.

He explained what options are in a contract. Amber had an option for Aquaman 2. WB was never obligated or beholden to a contract with her and could have just said "See ya" without violating her contract. And if they want to accept the option, it's more about give and take, like for Mamoa he had negotiated a bigger contract for his option, but he had to agree that he'd be in more movies should WB want him to be.

The rest is just a takedown of Kathryn Arnold, Amber's expert. He literally just calls her a professional expert, which I think anyone with a brain knew. She's an expert at speaking bullshit but not an expert at anything else. Anything you guys saw that she said that seemed absolutely insane, Richard Marks had you covered and spoke with complete confidence why she was full of shit. I won't discuss all of the details, mostly because it's all just educational for how Hollywood contracts work. But it's worth checking out if you want to know more about Hollywood deals because Marks is just fascinating to listen to.

Amber hated all of this and was scribbling furiously in her notebook and tearing up paper. Bizarrely, according to one of the people there, at one point Marks said it was possible for someone in a supporting role to get bigger parts in the future and he said that Amber and Elaine nearly jumped out of their chairs, sort of cheering because they thought it was a big admission. Apparently the jury collectively gave them a really weird look and then looked back to Marks. I don't think that won over the jury.

And Rottenborn Jr. actually said "It's hearsay like yesterday" and I want to evaporate from the cringe.

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Kind of a big deal.

https://twitter.com/Beatrix32021692/status/1529193418659966978?t=KIK5wauhVo8vYhdOl_jDxg&s=19

I cannot believe the level of malding from Elaine and Amber Heard's team over notorious e-grifter ThatUmbrellaGuy.

Mr. Q Score came back to just murder literally every semblance of the counter-claim being legitimate and tore down Twitter Hashtag guy and the "Hollywood Expert".

And he's not even done yet. This is masterful.

It's also worth noting that since Amber filed a counter-claim for $100 million that she needs to prove those damages too, which is impossible and entirely speculative and just will not happen.

Additionally, under normal circumstances this would have been settled out of court and dealt with accordingly before it ever got to trial. However, Johnny wanted the trial to happen and Amber wouldn't settle anyway judging by how fiercely she wanted the counter-claim, so now they had to present everything. The facts being so poor on Amber's side would be reason enough to settle normally but that just wasn't an option, so they have to make due with what they have.

You have to get bottom of the barrel "professional experts" who will just say whatever shit you need them to with a spin, not actually be experts in the field. So she keeps losing because she has nothing she can make a win.

Oh nooooo.

Richard Marks, the guy who brokered the deals for FREAKING STAR WARS, that testified before immediately came on and said that the other expert has no idea what the hell she's talking about and that she doesn't make any deals at all or understands anything about the Hollywood landscape.

Entire testimony, completely killed in 30 seconds.

lmao the president of DC films in Warner Bros. just outright saying that Amber Heard and Jason Mamoa had no chemistry so they wanted to shit can her and that the role was always minor, and affirmed that the Waldman statements and anything to do with Johnny Depp were not involved with that. There's likely a lot more to it than just bad chemistry, because it seems like Mamoa really didn't like her. But if that counter-claim was granted life support by the Judge, it is now being put to rest entirely in the jury's minds.

Just woke up but the Motion to Strike Amber's counter claim was denied. It's not terribly shocking, but I still feel it's really seedy that the jury has to make an assumption over attorney-client privilege. Not sure what argument was used, but the jury will be deciding on it still (but good lord they will not be giving Amber a cent and I can promise you that).

Anyway, on cross with Wayne she maintained that the Waldman statements were the only thing that made her career dive bomb. She just did this bizarre timeframe stuff and relying on those stupid charts with that dope from last week about Twitter hashtags.

He opens up another line of questioning by asking if any of the actors she listed ever had press about them defecating in the marital bed. And he asks if that has anything to do with Waldman and how she can't link it to the downturn in Amber's career. She said, as an EXPERT that she cannot or will not link any causation to that. Fuck ooooooff that's why you're here.

He then asks about Jason Mamoa's career, listing his filmography and she said she literally had no idea anything he was in, not even Game of Thrones. SO HOW IS SHE COMPARING THEIR CAREERS? And that he was the title character of Aquaman, and then listing off more movies he will be in and she knew none of them. He brings up he's having a divorce and it hasn't negatively affected him and she says she doesn't follow him at all. SO WHY IS SHE COMPARING THEIR CAREERS? How does she not know all of this as an expert when she testifies their careers are so similar!? She just named names.

Same thing for Gal Gadot, names a bunch of stuff about her and she knows NOTHING about her.

He brings up that Zendaya is so popular she goes by one name and then names off a bunch of stuff about her including that she's won actual Emmy awards and asks how to compare them.

She breaks and tries to explain again she just compared them to random actors who were in super hero movies. What the fuck. And she said that if Aquaman made Jason Mamoa popular, it should surely make Amber Heard popular too! This woman sounds so freaking stupid it's crazy.

Wayne points out that comic book heroes get recast all the time, including for Batman. She doesn't know who the latest Batman is. He points out it's no big deal to recast freaking Mera if they'll recast Batman.

He brings up that Chris Pine was in Star Trek and points out he's Captain Kirk and she says she doesn't know who that is and then acts like the breakout role was still Wonder Woman.

It's insane that she presented these as examples without knowing ANYTHING about their careers. He even brought up Patrick Wilson in Aquaman and she said she didn't know who Patrick Wilson was! Your job is to literally be an expert in this field and you don't even know the other lead role in the same movie as Amber Heard!?

Oh, and Jason Mamoa's agent shared confidential talks about Jason Mamoa's contract to her apparently. WHOOPS. And she compared THE STAND on Paramount+ to GAME OF THRONES, and then states The Stand was a "significant" television show. Excuse me. Anyway, he brings up the Warner Bros. expert they have to give information about how they never renegotiate contracts unless it's a rarity like with Jason Mamoa, and how the Warner Bros. guy said that Johnny Depp and any statements regarding him had nothing to do with why they were trying to get rid of Amber, and she said she doesn't remember seeing that in his statement they read.

"But muh experience says..." Just unsufferable trust me bro stuff. He says she just disregarded all of the WB Exec entirely and she tries to claim she didn't.

She didn't even look at any information on another movie Amber was in, Gully, and doesn't know ANYTHING about it. She did not even factor it in her analysis at all. Why is she an expert!?

Elaine on re-direct is Elaine on re-direct with another impossibly bad expert and she tried to rehab but failed. Does anyone care? Just rehashing more BS testimony.

That's it for today. Want to see how much of a disaster this is? Here's our time.

Johnny: 15h51m left
Amber: 4h9m left

Amber isn't even done with her case in chief yet and she is about to head into the last three days with only 4 hours to do anything. They wasted over 4 hours on these expert witnesses that did not help her case at all. The moment they run out of time, the Judge is going to cut them off to the second and refuse to let them do any further cross examinations on any witnesses. What god awful time management.

This day annoyed me. Tomorrow we get to interesting rebuttals at least.

Edit: Oh, one last thing. Elaine in that re-direct was so awful that the Judge had to actually tell her how to phrase a couple questions so they aren't leading so they can get on with it and end the re-direct so everyone can go home. Just hilariously bad.

It devolved from here where he tried to defend himself from other questions. "Maybe I'm wrong! Maybe you didn't say that! But I know you did!" The Judge clearly did not like him and had to admonish him a few times and from reports from people who were there, she looked like she felt uncomfortable being close to him.

Wayne asked a simple question "So you are not rendering any diagnosis on Mr. Depp here or any day?" The man broke. Lurch just was mouth agape, taking forever to fire off a response and said yes and then defended himself terribly again. Then said it was just a provisional diagnosis he made! Basically, Wayne just kept asking questions to see him spin his wheels and just devour himself.

Then Wayne points out he compared Johnny Depp's performances in the Pirates movies to the deposition he gave earlier, and he elaborates he compared it to other things too like commercials and interviews Johnny did. He then said he simply misspoke and he apologized.

"Did any of Mr. Depp's other portrayals in movies affect your analysis of processing speed?"

"Only if I've seen him interact on interviews. That's it!"

"Willy Wonka doesn't matter to you?"

The man straight up short circuited, made bizarre lizard motions with his mouth, and then asked the Judge if he had to answer that. B R O K E N

https://www.tiktok.com/@ashhmonster/video/7100977703704218923

"You have to answer questions, sir."

Then Wayne asks why he called Mr. Depp an idiot in his deposition. He goes into this big explanation trying to defend it and Wayne just goes "So 'I mean, he's an idiot', those words are mistranscribed?" More defense. "Is idiot a professional opinion? Is it a medical opinion? Is it your practice to call people you diagnose idiots?"

I mean, you get the gist of this. This man was a disaster. Other stupid things are that he admitted to not knowing anything about using an ear piece in acting and collapsed there and said he was sorry and was wrong but that he would assume it's a sign of cognitive decline still. He said Johnny Depp vomited on himself as another example of cognitive decline and then he was like "That picture had ice cream on it." And then he said that he was TOLD that it was vomit (gee by who?) and that he was wrong and he apologized.

This guy was killed and buried. I think Wayne got a little too lost in the weeds at times, but he got this guy to melt down and admit he was wrong multiple times so I can't be too hard on him. The jury hated him, and apparently one of them is in the medical field because she was nodding a lot when Wayne was talking about the Goldwater Rule.

Elaine comes back to re-direct. She didn't do a good job rehabbing this guy because I think it was just impossible. She overstepped the bounds of cross. She was failing to properly ask questions. The Judge fucking hates her at this point and it shows. Like who even cares what they said on re-direct in general this guy is a clown and looked awful and Elaine fixed nothing and the jury didn't care.

Next up is Kathryn Arnold who is an "entertainment industry consultant" which is a fancy word for saying she is a wholly unqualified expert who cannot be fucked to do any work. This was another legitimately awful witness who proved absolutely nothing about Johnny or Amber. It was fucking crazy how bad this woman was.

Basically, she was trying to say that Johnny's career was ruined because of literally everything but Amber Heard's accusations and op-ed. Like come on lady. She's just trying to use hearsay to say everything she was saying was fact. When she stepped over there, it was objected to and sustained.

It was so bizarre because she alleged that every little thing with Johnny impacted Depp's career, but when she talked about Amber she was like "Okay, only THIS one article was the cause of her losing work." First of all, she knows nothing about what was going on in Disney and she claims there are no damages because he didn't sign a contract and the movie doesn't exist and nobody believes that shit. Second of all, they literally have reasoning from Amber's own talent agent saying the reason she was given for almost losing the Aquaman 2 role was because of no chemistry with Jason Mamoa. So what are we even doing here?

Just wild speculation from her. Supposedly the Jack Sparrow character ran its course. Supposedly nobody in the industry knew of the op-ed before Johnny sued Amber. Supposedly everyone in the industry was more upset about him being late to things and filing lawsuits. Just speculation. No actual evidence. Literally "trust me bro" the expert. It was so bad. But not as bad until she started talking about Amber's damages from that one article from Waldman.

She "accidentally" calls it the Depp-Waldman article, and then they have a big ol' laugh about it and only call it the Depp-Waldman article from now on and I don't know how that wasn't objected to.

See, with Amber's career, she was ascending and rising steadily. She interchanged between saying Aquaman was the highest grossing DC comics movie ever and saying it was the most successful movie and all kinds of nonsense titles. Like stick to just saying it is DC comics stuff.

"The press tour was doing well and they wanted to give her more press." Ma'am, there are two interviews where she was drunk or high off her ass and couldn't even answer questions properly. One of them was so bad they had to pull it entirely.

She claimed all of the 1.2 million negative tweets about Amber directly referred to the Waldman article which is so outrageous. Oh, and it was a "campaign" apparently, to try and destroy her.

See, Aquaman was Amber's Star Is Born moment, where everyone knew her and she was world-renowned now! But then they decided to not let her be in the movie, but now it was James Wan and Jason Mamoa who demanded in emails their support for Amber (nevermind that Jason Mamoa didn't even want to touch her in the days leading up to the original movie). And this person said there were no chemistry issues between Amber and Mamoa because they did a chemistry test before the filming of the movie and it turned out really well! Nevermind that the movie came out and was wildly panned for their lack of chemistry, and they literally used that as the reason they wanted to boot her from Aquaman 2.

Amber made $1 million for Aquaman 1 and then $2 million for Aquaman 2 and she said that if it weren't for that article then she would have been able to negotiate for more. What makes her think that? Fuck you that's what. She couldn't keep track of these numbers at all.

But she talked about how Amber's role was reduced in the movie exponentially and how does she know specifically how it was gradually brought down? Fuck you that's how. She could be lying about anything and all of this and nobody would know and the most we get from this is just what Amber has told her, which is wild. She did no research on her own.

She then listed some comparable actors to Amber Heard before this. Everyone, contain yourselves.

Amber Heard's career was comparable to:

Jason Mamoa
Gal Gadot
Ana de Armas
Zendaya
Chris Pine

These are the most comparable to Amber Heard's career trajectory before the Waldman article, according to this woman. Because she said there are so few examples of people who were in super hero movies, this is her sample size. If you don't buy this and think it's hilariously stupid, don't worry! So did the jury. Word is this is the moment they thought she was absolutely out of her mind.

But she said if her career kept going the way it was going to, she would have made $50 million in the time after the article. WHAT? Where is the other $50 million she wants too? Absolute lunacy.

DAY 20

So today I would have sworn to you that Amber would rest her case in chief. Because they had 8 hours left and need time to damage control on Johnny's rebuttal. This did not happen. Instead, they presented the three most ineffectual experts in this courtroom. Just a complete disaster. Like I keep saying complete disaster, but they are all legitimately awful in different ways and didn't help Amber's case at all.

Over the weekend they leaked to the Court TV person who has been reporting on the case that Johnny would be called to the stand (so unbearably stupid). And then today Amber's team leaked it would be so stupid for them to call Johnny to the stand. And then at the end of the day they said they didn't know if they would present him or not to the Judge. It is actually not worth them putting him on again to try and prove this counter claim. The fact they spent so much time on this counter claim is stupid in general, and they are just burying their own defense for it. So we'll see tomorrow I guess.

Oh, and jury reports right now are that this jury is fucking dead and they couldn't care less about any testimony today, save for maybe one or two. So Amber isn't getting a cent from this counter claim, if it even survives past a Motion to Strike. They are fucking over this trial now. It's last week of school right now and they're ready for summer to GTFO.

The first was a hand surgeon expert. He was, you know, fine at first. And we're all listening. He said he's read everything and watched video depositions and watched Depp's testimony where he explains what happened where he had his finger blown off. And then he goes "Yeah, Mr. Depp said he had his hand flat on the bar." He explained it was flat on the bar multiple times. And immediately you have red flags, because Depp has always said his fingers were curled over the edge of the bar. He based all of his findings off of Johnny's hand being flat on the bar and claiming the bottle being thrown was impossible with it happening like that.

Also, they showed multiple gruesome pictures of his finger blown apart and I had to literally not look at it because it looked so bad. I don't think people really get how awful this injury was because fuck it was just blown apart everywhere under the fingernail. But they argued since it didn't smash down on his fingernail that's why Johnny is lying.

So Camille Vasquez just gets up there and says "Okay so you saw everything and you were entirely inaccurate with Mr. Depp's description of where his hand was." This fucking dope then admits that she's right, and that's how he described it. And then he goes "But I believe when I demonstrated it, his fingers were slightly curled. Camille doesn't let him get away with it and tells him that multiple times he said it was flat and he was like "Maybe I misspoke." Exactly 0 people believe it. And then she pointed out that he described the bottle having hit from the top in Depp's testimony, but clarified that he actually said it was from an off-angle and he said that sure but it would still hit at the top. This guy is dead already. Just completely tried to gaslight the jury by lying about how Johnny described it.

She then asked him about if he actually saw Depp's finger and worked on it and he said no, because they have a rebuttal witness who actually worked on Depp's finger. But Camille gets him to admit that it COULD have been a vodka bottle that caused it, after he denied it initially. She also showed a bunch of pictures of the bar in Australia, where she pointed out blood in the bar area and a shattered vodka bottle. And then she asked if he considered any of that in his expert results. He said no and Camille left. Just shredded this idiot.

Rottenborn tried to fix this guy on redirect but only really tried to re-assert the narrative Johnny is lying about the vodka bottle and he was trying to throw shade Camille's way and she objected and got it sustained. lol But basically, he said it was all inconclusive what caused it. Just completely pointless.

Next up is some horrible lizard person who was presented as a domestic violence expert, but his specialty is in drug abuse and trauma named Dr. Spiegal. Like they didn't even convince this guy to comb his hair before he testified. He ran down his credentials and then Wayne, the guy on Depp's team who has been doing most of the expert direct and cross, decided to voir dire him which means to basically try disqualifying him as an expert. Speigal was a fucking weirdo who got insanely defensive with every question and basically his expertise in domestic violence was very minimal, so why is he here? Apparently everyone in the jury was united in hating this guy. He even thanked Wayne for allowing him to plug his book. This guy is just gross. But he basically makes this dude look like he doesn't know much about domestic violence and he let him talk and just be the most unsettling person that got everyone turning on him. He was never going to successfully voir dire him, but the point was exactly what I said. This guy looked HORRIBLE going into his testimony.

I'm gonna try to summarize all of the outlandish stuff this guy tried to testify to but he's a strange, strange man who did not come across well at all. Like, in general he just talks in such a strange way and asserts odd things like "I'm talking about the man, not the actor. I can't talk about the actor. But I'm talking about the man, who was addicted to drugs, and who eventually can't take anymore. But I'm not talking about the actor." Alright dude.

- Claimed that he has severe cognitive decline because of drug use, particularly with memory.
- Claimed his lines were fed to him on an ear piece (they weren't, and it was testified it wasn't).
- Said Johnny had mini-strokes without looking at a single MRI or based on anything other than he did drugs.
- Claimed that if you abuse drugs that you're absolutely going to abuse your significant others.
- Claimed Johnny speaks slowly during his testimony because he has severe cognitive decline due to drug use.
- He used his acting in movies to compare to his testimony to measure his cognitive decline.
- Johnny talking badly about Dr. Kipper is because he is a narcissist.
- Perpetrators of domestic violence do NOT seek out therapy. Only victims do.
- Johnny has narcissistic personality disorder. Bringing this case to trial is evidence of Johnny's narcissism.
- Using the law to win people over is another example of narcissism.
- "Are you familiar with gaslighting?" "Yes I am." Yeah, you're trying to do it to the jury right now.
- Listened to the audio tapes and said they were examples of Johnny gaslighting Amber.
- MARILYN MANSON

The man only spoke in absolutes too, so don't take anything I said like exaggerating--he said these things definitively with his whole chest. This guy sucked, was so creepy, and I challenge anyone to watch this guy and think he wasn't the slimiest pile of crap.

So Wayne comes up and cross examines him now. He starts with picking up with the last thing Elaine and Lurch talked about, which was the Goldwater Rule. It was a big thing because he claimed it didn't violate an ethics law to give an expert opinion on someone when you haven't conducted a direct evaluation. It's created by the American Psychology Association. This guy melted down trying to defend himself from this and would not stop talking aggressively and angrily, and he did a horrible job defending it. He knew he'd fly off the handle, so it was the perfect introduction.

This Hollywood expert they brought on did literally no research at all. She doesn't know half the actors. She doesn't know anything about Amber's career.

How do you get an expert and the expert does NO RESEARCH on anything? With all the money she's being paid for this, she did no research at all. Insane.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

wut? why did she say something that nobody believes and is demonstrably false?

according to wikipedia, aquaman is #24 on the list of highest grossing films of all time. that's impressive but it's not exactly #1.

Yes. Not only did her agent say that, but this "Hollywood expert" they just brought on to discuss why Amber has received $100 million in damages stated it was the most successful movie of all time multiple times, along with other lies.

If she doesn't get killed on cross I'll also be surprised.

Elaine trying to get her disaster witness to testify that Johnny has narcissistic personality disorder because he is drawing and eating candy. (It was objected to and sustained obviously)

I feel like I'm losing my mind listening to these people.

Okay I thought that he would be annihilated on cross.

But this man was just absolutely eviscerated. I cannot believe how badly this guy was destroyed. What the hell? They opened it by having him admit his testimony was unethical. What in the world just happened?