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So many angry posters ITT. I've been flexible, I've only questioned others viewpoints when appropriate. Such as why replacements don't count as your own if they get integrated into your system...upgrading a car with new wheels, is it no longer part of your car? Everyone dodges the question or repeats themselves.

You guys need to be more open-minded and get out of your limited worldview. So someone challenges your reality, and you just get mad? Sad!

chill02 posted...

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

chill02 posted...

KILBOTz posted...

You can have your heart, lungs, blood replaced with those from other people. You can't have your brain replaced. Your brain is you, not your heart, lungs or blood.

that

Have you read any of this topic?

Why do replacement organs not count as you, if they're fully integrated into your system and the brain relies on them?

because you can get them replaced, but if your brain stops working you're dead

That does not answer the question.

Your brain can remain in your body, and you'd still die if it didn't have the replacement organs that it needs. The organs become part of your system, the brain needs them, they're still you.

COVxy posted...

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

chill02 posted...

KILBOTz posted...

You can have your heart, lungs, blood replaced with those from other people. You can't have your brain replaced. Your brain is you, not your heart, lungs or blood.

that

Have you read any of this topic?

Why do replacement organs not count as you, if they're fully integrated into your system and the brain relies on them?

Almost no one in the topic has agreed with you on that.

Irrelevant post. Care to refute my point at all?

chill02 posted...

KILBOTz posted...

You can have your heart, lungs, blood replaced with those from other people. You can't have your brain replaced. Your brain is you, not your heart, lungs or blood.

that

Have you read any of this topic?

Why do replacement organs not count as you, if they're fully integrated into your system and the brain relies on them?

jenningsnash313 posted...

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

I have already said that the brain is the most important organ. It's the captain of the vessel.

You can replace the crew members and the ship goes on, and sure, you can't replace the captain. But the captain is still dependent on the crew members. What's it matter where the organs originate? So they come from another person. You move them into your body, and they're now part of you. They become you, and function with the rest of your body. What's it matter if they're replacements? Your brain still needs them.

Correct. So, a human without a heart is not living. But we've already established that they can be replaced, and you're still the same person. That should be evidence that a heart doesn't make you a person, at least in any unique sense. You need a heart to be a person, duh, but you don't need a unique heart to be a specific individual. You do need a unique brain to be a specific individual.

It's as simple as this:
Switch the heart, you're the same person, emotionally and physically.
Switch the brain (if it was a hypothetical situation): you may seem the same physically, but you are a different person in every other way. Memories, experiences, intelligence, manner of speech. Emotionally and mentally, you are not "you" anymore.

I understand what you're saying. Yes, from a human functionality standpoint, we are our experiences, emotions, memories, etc.

However, these are all factored into helping the organism survive. We as humans heavily identify with our own unique experiences, values, and appearance. But we are alone in the animal kingdom by doing so. Evolution influenced us to identify and feel like we belong to something greater. It's a false sense of reality though.

I know that sounds confusing, but I'm just mentally masturbating here.

meingott posted...

You are literally arguing for no reason. If you remove someone's brain, that person is dead. You cannot replace a brain. If a person is brain dead, they are no longer there - they're gone. Whatever we are is in the brain.

Lungs and hearts are not the same. You can replace them without taking away the person. In other words, your topic title is incredibly stupid and none of your arguments are substantiating it in any way. Just stop arguing.

You're getting mad, first of all. Quit showing your insecurities.

Second of all, who cares if the organs are replaced or come from somewhere else? They still need the brain to function, and the brain still needs them. Just because they originated outside of your body, you're going to arbitrarily cut them off as being part of your system? That's ignorant.

MaverickXeo posted...

KILBOTz posted...

You can have your heart, lungs, blood replaced with those from other people. You can't have your brain replaced. Your brain is you, not your heart, lungs or blood.

There is more and more research being done that the heart is more or less the 'brain' of the body than the brain is. The heart will react to things long before the brain does. In other words, the brain responds to the heart; not the heart responds to the brain.

Also, this is true too. The brain does not create information. It receives information, and then interprets it from there. The brain is like an antenna.

jenningsnash313 posted...

meingott posted...

It doesn't fucking matter "where" in the brain we are. What matters is that if you remove the brain, you remove the person. Whereas if you remove the lungs or the heart and add in new ones, it's still the same person. It's pretty fucking simple, dude. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

This. TC is contradicting himself, too.You say that, theoretically, you can replace the brain, but that's not proven. And you can remove certain parts of the brain, sure, but it's very specific areas that that is allowed, and this is extraordinarily rare with nasty side effects.

If you replace the brain, you lose all of your memories, your experiences. And earlier in this topic, TC, you said that if you get a heart transplant, that new heart becomes you. So that is evidence against what you claim, is it not? That means the heart is only you if it is a part of you, meaning that if it is removed and replaced, that heart is no longer you. This is not true of the brain.

The ONLY case where you are correct is if you see the self as the physical body. In this case, the self is nothing more than our genetic code, since it is the expression of our genes that allowed us to become who we are. But if you see the self as anything more than just our basic physical body, then you can't be correct, since removing the brain would remove all aspects of self except for our original physical self.

I have already said that the brain is the most important organ. It's the captain of the vessel.

You can replace the crew members and the ship goes on, and sure, you can't replace the captain. But the captain is still dependent on the crew members. What's it matter where the organs originate? So they come from another person. You move them into your body, and they're now part of you. They become you, and function with the rest of your body. What's it matter if they're replacements? Your brain still needs them.

meingott posted...

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

meingott posted...

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

So your argument is that you're strictly your consciousness. Are you not you when you're unconscious? If you passed out, you're no longer you? Your body is still there, it's still running. You didn't go anywhere.

No, my argument is that you are in your brain. That is why you are not your lungs or your heart. If you replace your heart or your lungs, you're still you. You can't replace the brain in the same way.

Where in the brain are you, then? You can't point to one specific point.

Without lungs or a heart, there is no brain. Why does replacing those suddenly make them not you? You can remove parts of the brain, too (to ill affect, of course). Theoretically, the brain can be replaced as well. It's too complex of an organ to do it adequately at this point, but it remains a future possibility.

It doesn't fucking matter "where" in the brain we are. What matters is that if you remove the brain, you remove the person. Whereas if you remove the lungs or the heart and add in new ones, it's still the same person.

In what way? How does removing the brain remove the person? What do you mean by "person"? Again, you're identifying the organism solely as being the functions of the brain. This is NOT the case. You're confusing consciousness and identity with mechanical functions of the brain as well.

Again, I bring up the jellyfish. It has no brain; it uses other means for survival. Are we going to say since the jellyfish has no brain, then it's not actually a jellyfish? Life can exist without certain organs or tools. But in human's case, it needs brain, blood, lungs, liver, etc. You can remove bits and pieces or replace them and still live, but if you remove everything but the brain, you're dead. Ergo, the brain depends on the organs, just like the organs depend on the brain.

meingott posted...

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

So your argument is that you're strictly your consciousness. Are you not you when you're unconscious? If you passed out, you're no longer you? Your body is still there, it's still running. You didn't go anywhere.

No, my argument is that you are in your brain. That is why you are not your lungs or your heart. If you replace your heart or your lungs, you're still you. You can't replace the brain in the same way.

Where in the brain are you, then? You can't point to one specific point.

Without lungs or a heart, there is no brain. Why does replacing those suddenly make them not you? You can remove parts of the brain, too (to ill affect, of course). Theoretically, the brain can be replaced as well. It's too complex of an organ to do it adequately at this point, but it remains a future possibility.

meingott posted...

That's stupid. We can replace heart, lungs, and blood. You can't replace the brain though. And if you could, it'd be a different consciousness.

So your argument is that you're strictly your consciousness. Are you not you when you're unconscious? If you passed out, you're no longer you? Your body is still there, it's still running. You didn't go anywhere.

Dragonblade01 posted...

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Science doesn't tell you what you are, that's not within the field of science. There are gaps between atoms, so scientifically, you're more empty space and waves more than anything else.

Why can't "mostly empty space" be what I am?

Well, it's the most accurate description of what we are. :P there's nothing wrong with that, but people identify with their brain and/or consciousness, but there are faults in doing that.

jenningsnash313 posted...

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

KILBOTz posted...

\DoctorPiranha3 posted...

KILBOTz posted...

You can have your heart, lungs, blood replaced with those from other people. You can't have your brain replaced. Your brain is you, not your heart, lungs or blood.

But those organ transplants become you.

You can also have parts of your brain removed. Regardless of being currently unable to transplant brains, it does remain a possibility, but currently beyond our technological means.

Once you replace the brain it is no longer you. The brain is you, period. The other stuff is just a meat robot with interfaces to your brain.

Once again, the brain depends on the presence of specific organs as much as they depend on the brain. If you replaced the brain with someone else's, why would it not make you you anymore, if everything else is still in tact? You won't be able to give me a concrete answer on this, just theory and speculation.

The problem is you're no longer arguing based on science, just theory. What defines you as you? (Now I see the purpose of this topic, took me too long...I'm tired). Switch the brain, and even if it was somehow possible and done, you would be completely different. Personality, memories, emotions, ability to learn, process information, everything would be radically different.

It really does go back to the ship of Theseus question, but a bit more complicated. If you switch the organ that controls your personality and acts as a sort of "captain" for the vessel, is it still you? Are you the experiences your brain creates, or are you the life your organs provide? I think that's the real question here, and that's simply a matter of opinion, and you believe makes "you", you.

Science doesn't tell you what you are, that's not within the field of science. There are gaps between atoms, so scientifically, you're more empty space and waves more than anything else.

Link HT posted...

Wrong

Everything you are is your brain. Everything else exists to make sure you brain survives and to give you mobility, that's it.

The brain is a tool for survival, just like all of your other organs. Just because it's perhaps most important for the complete functionality of the vessel, it still needs the presence of specific organs and functions in place to even work.

A jellyfish is an animal without a brain. Are we going to tell the jellyfish that because it doesn't have a brain, it has nothing to identify with and it doesn't exist? Or is the jellyfish special because it's its whole body, while according to you, we're not our whole body and we're only the brain? No, that's stupid. Just because you identify with your brain and its processes, that still doesn't make you the brain.

KILBOTz posted...

\DoctorPiranha3 posted...

KILBOTz posted...

You can have your heart, lungs, blood replaced with those from other people. You can't have your brain replaced. Your brain is you, not your heart, lungs or blood.

But those organ transplants become you.

You can also have parts of your brain removed. Regardless of being currently unable to transplant brains, it does remain a possibility, but currently beyond our technological means.

Once you replace the brain it is no longer you. The brain is you, period. The other stuff is just a meat robot with interfaces to your brain.

Once again, the brain depends on the presence of specific organs as much as hey depend on the brain. If you replaced the brain with someone else's, why would it not make you you anymore, if everything else is still in tact? You won't be able to give me a concrete answer on this, just theory and speculation.

KILBOTz posted...

You can have your heart, lungs, blood replaced with those from other people. You can't have your brain replaced. Your brain is you, not your heart, lungs or blood.

But those organ transplants become you.

You can also have parts of your brain removed. Regardless of being currently unable to transplant brains, it does remain a possibility, but currently beyond our technological means.

jenningsnash313 posted...

True. Your brain controls blood flow, heart rate, kidney reabsorption, emotions and memory, language and communication, our senses, our perception of pain, respiratory rate, and everything else.

You need the brain for anything else to function.

The brain relies just as much on the organs, and all other parts of your body and senses, as much as they rely on the brain.

weapon_d00d816 posted...

Absolutely.

You are your whole body/everything that your neurological system interacts with.

Yeah, but you're more of your vital organs than anything else, right? You can have your limbs chopped off, and they're no longer you. But lose a vital organ, and you're dead.

Just sayin

Steel Creek

Brass Jacuzzi

Silver Bath

I've got some yellow liquid you can pour on it.

3/10 elbows too pointy

Ugh, this topic is motivating me to try Tinder again. But I know what will happen, like all the other times I was inspired: I'll only get like 5 matches in a week, no one will respond, I'll get depressed and delete Tinder, and then feel like shit. :|

Ha, I may take you up on that. I think I'd fare much better IRL if I put in some practice, but I don't have any wingmen or single running mates to go out with.

lol TC, we live in the same city. You match with girls like crazy, and I never get matches. Then again you're more handsome than I am, so whatever.

Austin girls don't love me :(

TC is a handsome dude, and the girl is probably big. But you know what? Fuck it, he's getting some P tonight. You go, TC!

Z_Zenkai1992 posted...

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Should've kept pursuing art tbh

except for the fact that every high calibur art school rejected him. and for good reason too

User Since: March 2017

Joke account.

Should've kept pursuing art tbh

chill02 posted...

I'm not a scavenger

That's fine. More for the rest of us. B)

Turbam posted...

I'm no homewrecker

Think of it as a home saver.

Easy pickings

__aCEr__ posted...

Yeah I'm not sure you can best God with a technicality.

This is what I think when I see people suicide by cop.

God isn't real, for one... so why worry about it?

99% of the world is not circumcised.

There's no reason for it, at all.

Not really.

Leanaunfurled posted...

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Leanaunfurled posted...

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Leanaunfurled posted...

That makes no sense. The ability to think gives us a sense of self, having a sense of self doesn't allow us to think.

Even if you don't think, you still exist.

You exist when you sleep, but you're not thinking.

How do you know we exist when we sleep, if we're alone?

Even if I wasn't aware of it, I probably still existed last night during my sleep.

Existence is independent of thought. Thought is strictly a function of the mind, used to help us survive in this world.

Probably. Without yourself or anyone else to perceive you, you can't prove you still exist while you sleep. <3

The last part I simply just disagree with.

But even if nothing perceived me, I was still there. Guess your parents don't exist when you don't see or hear them?

Thought is a tool for survival and navigation, it doesn't have a function beyond that. There's nothing to disagree with, lol.

Leanaunfurled posted...

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Leanaunfurled posted...

That makes no sense. The ability to think gives us a sense of self, having a sense of self doesn't allow us to think.

Even if you don't think, you still exist.

You exist when you sleep, but you're not thinking.

How do you know we exist when we sleep, if we're alone?

Even if I wasn't aware of it, I probably still existed last night during my sleep.

Existence is independent of thought. Thought is strictly a function of the mind, used to help us survive in this world.

Leanaunfurled posted...

That makes no sense. The ability to think gives us a sense of self, having a sense of self doesn't allow us to think.

Even if you don't think, you still exist.

You exist when you sleep, but you're not thinking.

KainWind posted...

That doesn't make any sense. Just because you exist doesn't mean you have to think.

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

You can't think at all if you didn't exist in the first place.

And that's exactly what the quote means.

No, it implied that you exist because you think.

A rock doesn't think. It exists.

It should be "I am, therefore I think"

You can't think at all if you didn't exist in the first place.

Are you fucking kidding me?

You're already living in it.

HBKick18 posted...

joe40001 posted...

There is really no reason we shouldn't all still be like that. What's wrong with being excited about life and relationships?

We know too much to be excited about anything

This.

Really, there's no nothing wrong with life, but the magic simplicity of getting along in this world is heavily beaten out of you by by the time you become an adult. You have more responsibilities, stress can pile up, we're more likely to conform, settle into a routine, and compare ourselves and our successes/circumstances with our peers and other people. How we planned or envisioned our lives in the future rarely becomes a reality. Society and the rat race of capitalism has a way of beating people down.

jenningsnash313 posted...

And back then other boards were also far more active. I used to love going back and forth between this and Gen 90s. Now, this is pretty much the only active social board anymore.

Wonder what caused the decline. Social media and Reddit, I'm assuming. Too many other distractions than for people to care about video game message boards.

LightningAce11 posted...

This man punished himself for doing something illegal. That's something you don't see everyday.

Indeed. Wonder if he's a masochist, lol

Yeah, it was good times. Now everyone has been beaten up by life and is insanely bitter.

Ahh, my hometown. Just don't fall in love with it and move here, like all these goddamn transplants.

Check out 6th street, east 6th is better. Catch some concerts if you can.

darkprince45 posted...

Second time this yesr

Do you poop money or sumthin

DarkChozoGhost posted...

You shouldn't have suggested places, you should have told her you were taking her to one of those places.

Ding ding.

Women like options, but they don't want to be the ones to make the decisions.

voldothegr8 posted...

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Leanaunfurled posted...

Cocytus posted...

wouldn’t it be easier to just take better care of this planet?"

Like that'll ever happen.

Best thing that could happen for everyone and everything is the extinction of humans.

We existed for hundreds of thousands of years as an unharmful species... didn't really cause more damage to the planet than say, a gorilla.

But we're past that point of no return, sadly. Capitalism, greed, war, governments, ideologies... those will equate to our inevitable demise.

We might die out, but this planet will still move on. Life will find a way, even if the biosphere is shaken up. Mass extinctions have happened plenty of times before, but life is resilient.

Until a cosmic event completely eviscerates this planet.

Yeah, or the climate gets too extreme. But those events are far out in the future.. a mass extinction is more imminent, relatively.