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One day I'll live in Canada I think. Don't know when or how. But it'll happen. It's my favourite foreign country
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LeonhartFour posted...

Eh, I don't think they're really portrayed in any sort of sympathetic light until you beat them. Even with Otacon's fawning over Wolf, it's clear the dude just has Stockholm Syndrome, and she doesn't show an ounce of regard for him or Snake before the boss fight.

It's weird, but Ocelot is probably humanized the least of all of FOXHOUND in MGS1 despite being one of the most important characters in the series.

Sympathy and humanization aren't the same thing though. Yeah, I didn't feel sorry for Raven when he was trying to flatten me with a tank, but thanks to the preceding cutscene I understood a bit about him as a human. Same with Wolf, well beyond the romance with Otacon.

(Also the files you can watch and the codec conversations with Naomi throughout the game give you nuggets of info)
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XIII – 102nd ever LW Title Reign

Jesus I knew I loved the LW title but I didn't think I loved it that much
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LeonhartFour posted...

They're shoehorned in the sense that someone giving a deathbed confession to the person who just killed them is unnatural, but it was part of MGS1's charm to such an extent that it became a series expectation. People liked the fact that Kojima attempted to humanize FOXHOUND a bit before they died. These guys who seemed like pure evil a minute ago suddenly feel like they're not all that bad. The B&B backstories don't really do that.

FOXHOUND were all humanized to at least some degree well before they died, I thought. Except Mantis perhaps.
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Psycho Mantis has pretty great build-up

Also I think in terms of personality Raven and the BBs are kind of Apples and Oranges. Raven is a soldier on a mission - an exceptional soldier and his background does require examination, but that's what he is. In terms of personality and experience he's relatively simple to explain and what we get of him is satisfactory - he's mostly about design. Meanwhile the BBs are robots until they aren't, at which point a far more complex and tragic backstory is explained.

Mantis with his dying monologue fits this more, though they tie it much more closely to the game's themes and to Snake. (Because it's an actual conversation, if nothing else)
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I mean they're all shoehorned in the sense that Kojima needed boss battles, but they're all given time in cutscenes to stretch out beyond that. Even the member who got no in-character dialogue played a crucial role!

There's no comparison with the B and Bs and it's a struggle to even compare them to any of the Cobras outside the Boss and Sorrow.
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Lopen posted...

Vulcan Raven was B&B tier, and frankly so is Psycho Mantis

Vulcan having two fights, a conversation with Ocelot, and actual legitimate human dialogue with Snake, as well as divulging crucial plot info when you beat him, put him well above the B and Bs.

I'm not saying he's SUPER IMPORTANT but B+B tier is a massive exaggeration. As it is with Mantis, whose powers play a big role in the plot. Even Liquid saying stuff like "the soldiers' brainwashing is wearing off since Mantis died so morale is down" is good for that, and it's one throwaway line. Then there's all the other shit he did throughout. Way more involved and integrated.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Raging Raven uses explosives. Screaming Mantis has throwing knives. Laughing Octopus also uses the same gun Solidus used.

Ah yeah I was trying to remember about that. Solidus' P90 was so sweet

When I was 13 he was the coolest motherfucker around. The Harrier fight used to be one of my favourites solely because it was preceded by the cutscene with him sliding around and dodging grenade launchers and shit. And man when he killed all those metal gears

Dude was so legit
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kevwaffles posted...

Uh, they were in no way references to MGS2 bosses. And they mostly weren't even direct references to particular MGS3 bosses, though the naming convention obviously comes from them.

Edit: Oh, I guess there is the whole railgun thing.

Their emotions! (Their emotions!)

Raging Raven was the Fury. And blew shit up like Fatman. Right?
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I liked the references and the fact that they fit a game full of callbacks and references, but that's somewhat detached from my enjoyment of them ingame. Like it's almost an asterisk.
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I really like the new special stage actually. It's maybe my favourite after Blue Sphere. Trounces the others.
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I'm trying to take it slow so I only just got to Flying Battery

I love how act 2 just DECIDES TO BECOME WING FORTRESS

So cool
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KamikazePotato posted...

one of their members was a fat dude on rollerskates.

Problem?
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FOXHOUND are so far above the rest

I like the others for various different reasons, but they carefully structured MGS1 in such a way that even the three FOXHOUND members we care least about (apart from Octopus, though that was a good twist) have several encounters with you before you kill them, or they have some cutscene time. Wolf has a huge impact on the story, Raven has the tank fight and at least some buildup before you fight him, and Mantis was memorable and his presence was felt throughout the game. And most importantly, we see the less important members of FOXHOUND interact with Liquid and Ocelot on occasion, giving them a bigger sense of their place and importance.

Dead Cell did this with Fortune but she doesn't count (no climactic boss fight). Vamp and Fatman could be examples of that I suppose, but Fatman is dealt with very quickly.

Edit: this basically comes back to what KP was saying about integration. FOXHOUND was integrated into the plot so much more tightly than the others. Cobra and Dead Cell would be second and third but it's not close

FOXHOUND were just way more rounded. More time was sunk into them outside of their actual boss battles and they feel more memorable as characters and as fights as a result. A massive cut above.

That said, 3 has the two best "vs. Member of a villainous team" boss fights what with The End and The Boss. B and Bs are good to great fights with totally forgettable characters.

I like the idea PW had to make the villainous team essentially mini Metal Gears. I mean it's worse than the original 4 but the idea was a cool twist on the formula which I appreciated and enjoyed at least
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TheRock1525 posted...

Drop dash seems useless.

Yeah I barely ever use it. Nice to have but doesn't add anything

Otherwise no. Like icon says, its flaws are the same as in the original Sonic games
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Terrific game with phenomenal gameplay

Could have been more story stuff but I liked the cutscenes and the way they were shot (though maybe a bit too much stuff on the landing pad).

Would have liked more stuff to do at Mother Base and it was sad how much was unfinished.

But the overall experience was terrific and the bits of real MGS lore, especially once you get the truth tapes, were satisfying because they were so rare. Worthy addition to the series. Not the experience of 1-4 but still better than most stuff on the market.

Also that intro level.
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Or y'know the entire 3d soundtrack
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Sounds counterproductive
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https://filmschoolrejects.com/game-of-thrones-space-time-exclusive/amp/
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matt

Like matt emulsion or a mat for the floor
Bad
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Amazing game
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That said if he announced one I might still be able to get hype. Hard to say
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I actuslly think I'm done with contests after the last one

I mean I dunno maybe that's an exaggeration, but for the past decade whenever I've seen a topic like this my reaction has always been "ooh, yes please". Now, not so much
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Congrats Strife

Hard work brings rewards
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Oh I forgot he was in that
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I agree, but that's not the mindset of Hollywood.

Craig wasn't exactly famous. He was kind of a left-field choice even

His biggest thing before that was, I think, Layer Cake

Oh and Tomb Raider lol
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Ah, it was because they didn't want to cross the ice and the rock not breaking it showed that it was ok to walk on I guess

Sure let's go with that
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Just watched.

Pretty awesome but the one walker surviving conveniently thing was bizarre to me (I'll go with it was a long con by the NK though) and - maybe I'm just missing this - but I don't get why the wights trapped them for 3 days. That's the thing that made the least sense to me and I was waiting for an explanation.

Everything else gave me the melodramatic action movie cliches I pretty much expected the whole time.

I also don't know exactly what the game is with Arya and Sansa. For all that seemed to happen, I'm not sure what actually happened. Sansa wanted Brienne away so she can...kill Arya? And what does Arya want? I have no idea. The motivations are muddy.

Apart from that, holy shit.
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I'm not working. Nothing to occupy myself with.

It's only Wednesday. Jesus
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Well FUCK
I opened the YouTube app for something completely unrelated and a fucking spoilerific video with a spoilerific title was the first suggestion. Completely unavoidable. Fuck off.

Might as well just watch the leak now.
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Yeah

I mean, it's not the answer, but 5 is clearly the most entertaining of those movies
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It's interesting that there are a ton of options this time. I can't remember the search for Craig that well but I remember one of the "better" options was, like, Orlando Bloom or some shit

This time there are like 10 I'd be happy with.
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I just played half the songs itt simultaneously and it was glorious

Though Knight of the Wind cut through everything (appropriately), which clearly means it's the best
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SmartMuffin posted...

digiiiiiiiii posted...

it's not a review, it's just a quick "so what is this anyway?" kind of thing for games that are heavily advertised in other mobile games. so much of the mobile games economy is built on selling ads, and there are tons of games that put gameplay or bonuses behind watching ads. and you'll notice if you mobile game a lot that these games come in waves. it's not a frequent post by any means.

honestly this makes perfect sense to me and seems like a pretty good idea

That

I like the site

Good job!
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transience posted...

I think you can badmouth Bush for everything Iraq and after (god knows I did), but this past year has shown me how deeply I underestimated Bush's healing efforts in 2001. I thought it was just commonplace for a president to be that reassuring and whoops.

I mean, it is. This isn't a "commonplace" situation.

But yeah it's amazing and in a weird way kind of good that Trump has given us all like...minimum expectations for a president. He's made me reconsider the vitriol I have for David Cameron, who seriously fucked up, but was at least not fundamentally embarrassing as a representative of my country.
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Anyway, bleugh. This isn't politics and that last post basically confirmed that you're way too egotistical to ever drop this, so whatever. There's no going back from that last post. Gonna drop this. Until next time I get annoyed by how people handle Ulti, I suppose
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

And in any case I'm now no longer sure of your stance. Earlier you said you stopped engaging him, but now you say you won't let his "slander" slide (even if it's utterly, and pathetically, selfish of you to continue). So which is it? Were you willing to let the slander go during that time, or were you engaging him when he slandered you?

he didn't slander me during the time period when i didn't engage him.

but if he slanders me i'm absolutely engaging him, yes. having mental issues doesn't give him a blank check to act like an asshole to me.

Ok, so you put the debunking of even the most lacking-in-credibility (because nothing Ulti says has even the remotest credibility here) criticisms over someone else's mental health. That's fine, we've reached the fundamental disconnect. You're just that self-absorbed that you can't stand the idea that somebody nobody listens to might say stuff about you that nobody believes. And this annoys you so much, you don't care about the damage you might be doing.

You know who had a similar attitude? Swift, in the way he handled ertyu. I'm not saying ertyu and Ulti are the same, but that post was almost word for word how Swift justified himself during the ertyu thing.

And we'll ignore the longer-term solution, that being how he'd probably stop said accusations if they got absolutely no traction. That even if the whole mental health thing wasn't an issue, you'd be perpetuating his slander by continuing to debunk it.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

That post about the board celebrating the Scalise assassination was completely routine Ulti, yet you still felt the need to dispute it as if there was some possibility that it wasn't a contrivance to provoke that exact response.

i don't care if it was "routine ulti" or whatever you want to call it. it was fucking slander and i don't let stuff like that slide.

Let it slide when it's Ulti saying it, because almost nothing he says matters at all, and certainly not patently ridiculous accusations like that. Ignore, and move on. It's "hobo yelling at passing cars" shit.

And in any case I'm now no longer sure of your stance. Earlier you said you stopped engaging him, but now you say you won't let his "slander" slide (even if it's utterly, and pathetically, selfish of you to continue). So which is it? Were you willing to let the slander go during that time, or were you engaging him when he slandered you?
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http://m.imdb.com/title/tt1195478/
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Barret
Galuf
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Because they aren't in the cerebral cirque du soleil. Your justifications have been garbage. That post about the board celebrating the Scalise assassination was completely routine Ulti, yet you still felt the need to dispute it as if there was some possibility that it wasn't a contrivance to provoke that exact response. If he's exhibiting the same signs as before, it's safe to say a kind of relapse has taken place. And, again, the notion that he can just "be better" like it's the common cold...is pretty bad.

I don't have a screengrab of Ulti's discord stuff to hand. It was a while ago. There were witnesses (obviously)
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Him openly talking about it in discord and and the board isn't evidence?

again, he said he got therapy and is feeling better on the board. try to keep up.

You think he's just magically better now? That it isn't a long term process possibly with no true end? And you think that it's just a coincidence when he exhibits some of the same behaviour as he did before said magical, near-instant recovery?

You are worse than I ever thought. This is actually terrible stuff - that you would turn a blind eye, constantly perform contortions to justify yourself again and again and again just so you don't have to feel bad about engaging Ulti when he's trolling you, which then feeds into his issues. It's sad and repugnant behaviour. Not just the arguing with Ulti, but these weak denials to make it OK in your mind just so you get to keep arguing - just so you get to keep knocking out the free hits he deliberately gives you.
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I laughed a bunch of times
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I love how this both lives up to and subverts expectations

Like you expect a swing-ball boss in Green Hill Zone, but they messed with it a bit.

Also, man, I briefly lost my shit when I saw that what was essentially the Sonic 2 final boss was just dropped into the first zone. Like, damn.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

Evidently fucking not though

yeah sorry, i don't know the guy personally and i'm not going to just assume he has a mental illness with 0% evidence.

several people on the board have done that with me (sephy on many occasions) and i don't appreciate it at all. not going to do this with another user.

Him openly talking about it in discord and and the board isn't evidence?

The mental gymnastics you perform to justify your continuing participation in petty, meaningless, damaging arguments are outstanding.
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Also Trump being so deplorable that ExTha starts to resemble a person again is oddly heartening
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FFDragon posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

Does it not get to a point where you just stop saying "no, Ulti, this never happened"?

I did, like two(?) days ago. Especially after GMUN posted his full archive of the board for Ulti to go get his proof since he remembered it clear as day.

He then said something about conflating twitter and here and moved on.

He then said it again today though.

So I don't know what else to say.

He's going to keep doing it.

There's never been a time where, for example, Moogle has ever just fucking stopped entirely. (And Lasa is probably a lost cause, but hey ho.) So we don't actually know if he'll keep doing it when it gets absolutely no traction

Mr Lasastryke posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

it's apparently ok to be part of and maybe even to worsen Ulti's problem.

he said he got therapy and is doing better now.

Evidently fucking not though
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Anyway this is fucking bonkers
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

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UltiXX posted...

Reminder that leftists on this board celebrated Scalia's death and defended the Scalise shooter, by the way.

nope. still waiting for you to cite the post where i said anything resembling that.

yeah I can't imagine anyone here actually defended the Scalise shooter

Does it not get to a point where you just stop saying "no, Ulti, this never happened"?

"People here said or did [monstrous thing XYZ that nobody here ever actually said or did, or maybe just one guy I suppose?]" is his catchphrase. Next time he mocks this topic for being angry over Comey's firing, will people also react to that yet again? Next week or month he will accuse the people of this topic of something utterly monstrous that clearly never happened, too. Will you still feel the need to deny it and in doing so literally enable somebody's mental illness*, or will you do what you should - treat him like a hobo yelling nonsense at passing cars and completely ignore it?

*And that bears repeating again and again and again. For all the moral stances taken in this topic, and I do admire and respect the moral fibre of many people here, the one blindspot seems to be that it's apparently ok to be part of and maybe even to worsen Ulti's problem.
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I didn't win back my favourite and most precious title only to lose it immediately. Bring it on!

David
Eaed/Emerald
Xiii
Boko
Solio
Zsig
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