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Aerith is crazy strong in this game especially with the lazer beams ability, which gives her a good general physical attack

3 militaries that have recently destroyed dozens of innocent lives on a civilian jet accidentally:
Iran shooting down flight 752
Russia shooting down MH17
US crashing into flight 5342

We keep such good company

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-european-human-rights-court-mh17-1bac36842f8a4cfe0e3e787f0fab0c1f

Why does it always have to be an EU, can't it just be a good single movie?

Elena >>>> Yuffy

It's based off of P2025's atheist concentration camp so it makes sense

This is "the list". Notice the redactions that they could easily remove.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-pamela-bondi-releases-first-phase-declassified-epstein-files

Mewtwo59 posted...

Sin's been back for 9 years at this point

When do they say that? Braska's pilgrimage was 10 years ago, and that's about how long the calm is. So Sin would have only recently come back (and presumably went to get Tidus as one of his first actions)

MZero posted...

You also have to think about the fact that Sin is a part of life in Spira, so the denizens are probably a bit numb to all the destruction.

It's a pretty insane thing not to understand in 2025 after all the wars, natural disasters, pandemic, school shootings, etc (Sin is probably an allegory just for war and climate change, but it works for any disaster)

Inviso posted...

Even ignoring the fact that you're in the temple of a village that just got devastated by the monster you're training to defeat, Dona's attitude is basically being a bitchy mean girl over who gets the right to sacrifice their life. I'm sorry, but that's fucking STUPID to me.

This makes me realize how great Dona and the other summoners are. They're all trying to save the lives of others, especially Yuna's, in their own way. Just like the Al Bhed, except as summoners they can do it from within the system. It is truly noble and you can tell Yuna always recognizes that when interacting with Dona. It's sad that you can't relate to this kind of character.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Takeshi and Ryogo barely ever even interacted, they basically just happened to be trapped together??

UshiromiyaEva posted...

So I guess they kind of just putzed around for a week with their finger's crossed?

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Tsugumi basically raping Takeshi

UshiromiyaEva posted...

chicken sandwiches for EVERY MEAL

I remember all this so I guess I played the original. Seems like the remake makes things more neat, but I think the story works better when the character motivations are much more circumstantial.

You just saw one, but you dismissed it as sarcasm. How many others have you done that to? This is literally how supporters of bad people stay undercover

wallmasterz posted...

^^ obvious sarcasm

We shouldn't be so generous with people who go around defending Epstein and amplifying noise. Many of them are actually pro-Epstein and benefit from the cover of sarcasm.

Granzon's ideas and actions obscure the truth of Epstein. You can never be part of the solution like that.

We all read that you gleefully said Epstein was an upstanding citizen

v_charon posted...

Yuna asks Tidus to be her guardian in Kilika.

I thought Auron made him become a guardian in Luca

GranzonEx posted...

??

You're very confused for someone who is gonna solve the Epstein mystery

GranzonEx posted...

You guys are so right. I can't believe I got MKUltra'd.

Jeffrey Epstein died of mundane and easily explained circumstances. How could I have been so blind? Of course he killed himself. He was crushed by the guilt of all the pain and suffering he inflicted on those poor women and children.

Why are you so naive and defensive about Epstein? You know he's a pedophile predator right?

The FBI absolutely has techniques for making people commit suicide

GranzonEx posted...

Of course! Mr. Epstein most definitely killed himself at the exact moment the cameras in his cell were malfunctioning. He is also an upstanding citizen and has never partook in acts of sex trafficking and racketeering.

The dumbest possible thing is to tie a conspiracy theory to the truth and treat them one in the same. It's also the explicit purpose of conspiracy theories according to CIA/FBI information control theory. You fell for it hard and are fully under their control. Break free.

Maniac64 posted...

I've always assumed nobody tells Tidus the truth of how things end because they know he wouldn't understand and accept it. They believe it is necessary and have all accepted Yuna's choice. Tidus is going to make a big deal of it and force Yuna to confront and make the choice again, and they know she will, and that is just unnecessary pain for Yuna.

This doesn't explain Rikku. It's really not about Tidus, it's about themselves. They already know that Yuna is falling for Tidus and that's making things much harder for her (and him eventually), whether they say anything or not.

Inviso posted...

B. they don't want to think about the more sorrowful aspect of the pilgrimage

This is stated explicitly during the reveal, by Lulu no less "it was just too hard to say". Very memorable line.

I think X is a pretty straightforward story (not simple, but not hard to understand) BUT if you have poor media literacy, you can very easily end up missing basic ideas that leave you confused and angry. It isn't as in-your-face with the themes as a typical JRPG, you have to do a bit of work to pick up what it puts down (and it's really just a little bit). Very much teen/young adult style story.

There's a very good reason why authoritarianism is hard to maintain historically. Even the most brainwashed base gets disillusioned if you shovel too much shit in their mouths. You need to build up the cult over generations to succeed (e.g. Taliban), not just a few years. Their shell is cracking hard. Trumpism desperately needs to grow the % of Americans who are willing to cancel elections and make Trump dictator, and I believe the % is decreasing hard from its peak in 2024.

I don't think we'll hear anything more about Epstein until like 2050. Far enough that everyone can pretend that it's a surprise.

I follow poker a bit so I've seen this. Basically the pros are saying it kills all (legal) pro gambling. It gets worse at higher stakes and higher stakes are the only way you can be a pro.

The law reads almost exactly like section 174 from TCJA which basically killed R&D companies (tech pretty much). It's something that is out in to balance out the multiple trillions in deficit, AND it does double duty as a bargaining chip to give back in the future and pretend you're fixing things. For example, BBB repeals the 174 disaster that TCJA introduced. So you get the political bonus of lower imagined deficit when passing the bill, then another political bonus when you repeal the bill, erasing the imagined deficit. Net result is way higher deficits, temporary chaos, permanent damage.

Tech bros went massively for Trump despite knowing this trick, so Congress will gladly continue to do it as long as it works.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Sure, I like those games more as an actual product (all of them, I'll just say that now....well, not AI2), but other than that blonder hair thing I can't get over, this is by FAR the most consistently fair and cohesive experience of the Uchikoshi games. Which is.....an INCREDIBLE feat, when the entire climax hinges on you, yes you, the player, being inserted into the game as a 4th dimensional being.

I would agree other than 999, since Morphogenesis is basically the same as Blick Winkel, but it's in-universe and multiple characters can do it, so it feels less magical and out of nowhere. I like BW for the audacity but it's not foreshadowed enough.

But also BW makes the game's intentional use of boredom so great in hindsight. The whole VN is the characters trying to blur the timelines together, like when you unfocus your eyes for a magic eye puzzle, but in 4D. It feels like more is at stake since the plan could've legitimately failed at any point before the true ending. Whereas Morphogenesis has the same problem that all closed-time-loop stories have, where at the beginning of the story the plan has already succeeded.

Patel absolutely crushed to realize "Director of FBI" means "guy who is now next in line to be suicided if he comes close to revealing the truth"

Also if y'all want to see defensive fans you should try doing a first time playthrough of danganronpa

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I would keep that in mind when revisiting all the scenes with Tidus and Yuna - how does he treat her differently from how she's been treated her whole life?

Also, everyone in her whole life has known her intended fate, except for him. His and her individual characterization, their character interactions, and the biggest plot twist of the game, are all deeply intertwined, and it all needs to be coordinated for the whole story to work.

Damn this story is so good

I do think people should just let inviso play the game and give thoughts though. No need to argue that much. I'm just giving my thoughts because I'm pretty sure he has me ignored so my posts don't matter.

Zigzagoon posted...

I am so glad I didn't do a first time playthrough topic for FFX (since I've been recently playing through it as well). I'd get bullied the hell off the board by the crazy FFX fans for not liking most of the characters and slamming the writing / dialogue.

This is not a first time playthrough. Obviously we wouldn't talk like this with a first timer.

Oh yeah since it's 1000 years then there were probably 20-30 high summoners, not hundreds. Maybe 50-60 actually since it seems like you get one every 15-20 years. That's still a lot of untold stories.

Like, people say they want a prequel with Braska, and it would be undeniably cool especially with action combat like 7R or 16. But story wise, it was fully told in X already. He was just another summoner who followed the rules and created a short calm and that's it. There's not much to those untold stories because following the rules is inherently boring.

Lopen posted...

If Tidus is a "more likeable character" to you the ending of FFX is Yuna completes the pilgrimage and Sin is born again. Great story.

Another way to say it is that Inviso's story happened a couple hundred times in between Yunalesca's first pilgrimage and Yuna's. There's a reason we're experiencing Yuna's pilgrimage and not one of those other ones that just continued the cycle.

Raka_Putra posted...

Uhh what's the last purple item referring to?

Edit: Shin? Oh God.

Yeah that's a very specific pronunciation of that word in some American dialects. I definitely don't say it that way.

I never figured out how to play her tbh

Fireworks are objectively awesome technology and chemistry. The big professional ones and also the personal mortars are something you can't really see anywhere else (drone shows don't really come close).

But yeah there's no reason to blast them at 2am in a residential area.

Also I think a fun thing to do now is to make a venn diagram of all the plot mechanics in Zero Escape and the ones here and see which ones are actually unique. It's so few of them.

Now you know that Blick Winkel was actually the incestuous pedo horndog

FFDragon posted...

Ah yes, that's worked so well for gun control after school shootings.

Bulletproof backpack sales skyrocketed yes. It's a stupid solution to the problem but they aren't doing nothing.

Vaccinations have increased 8x since kids started dying in Texas, so they also aren't doing nothing.

Vaccines have the advantage of being secret, you can just get them and still pretend you're anti vax. To be anti gun is a much bigger leap politically and socially.

No, it's a balance of risk like anything else. The problem is they need to see actual dead children with their eyes to understand the risk.

Pendulum swinging as parents see their kids' friends dying. These deaths are probably necessary to break through anti-vax propaganda, unfortunately. And more deaths will be required more regularly due to the double-down psychological effect that makes people dig into their misbeliefs.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/05/health/measles-cases-us-record-since-elimination

HanOfTheNekos posted...

This same selflessness will show again in Luca

And literally every major turn in the story through the epilogue because it's the core character "flaw" that drives the entire story

Espeon posted...

As for the Yu Yevon/MAGA comparisons, yeah, thats what things turn into LATER in the game, but Im looking specifically at THIS point in the game.

You don't think the beginning of the game should explain what happens later in the game?

Inviso posted...

I DO have a minor nitpick, because you have this scene where Wakka says "We were finally gonna win a game, but my mind just wasn't into it", and because you've established Tidus as a sports star, his response is along the lines of "That's loser talk"...when it's revealed shortly after that Wakka was dealing with the IMMEDIATE aftermath of his little brother dying. It just unnecessarily makes Tidus come off like a dick, even if it's unintentional.

This is the first place I've seen you miss a theme that the game is trying to deliver (grief processing)

Also holy shit your rewrites are god awful. Do you do that often with media?

wait so we can keep all the user references on the wiki, as long as we're not calling each other gay and tranny?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/41302886.png
never had the best accuracy tbh

So far you've described the themes of the game perfectly, so the writing is evidently successful (which is a big deal because most JRPG writing definitely isn't). Whether you like the themes or not is a different question, but I think it's hard to get through the whole story and still dislike it.

The real question is why Tidus is the one with the sword and Wakka with the blitzball, when Tidus is much better at blitzball, and Wakka has much more exposure to sword fighting through his brother and the crusaders

v_charon posted...

This criticism confuses me

It's not a criticism since he's still at the beginning of the game, so he can't comment on the story as a whole. This is a story where if you stop 95% of the way through you end up missing really important characterization.

Inviso posted...

All of these games have those early moments or scenes where you're like "Oh, that's why you're the main character." Whereas with Tidus, the Zanarkand tutorial segment just makes him look like a bumbling doofus. He does not feel like the main character, and he only really IS because the story has written him as such down the line.

This makes me realize just how brilliant the opening of the game is, in contrast to other FFs and JRPGs. The story is so nonlinear in a way that wasn't done before and hasn't been done as well since. It's probably why the game feels so exciting despite being literally a series of linear hallways.

this maybe are last chance

also make sure to switch the soundtrack to the original, not the remaster one (which is good, but the original still hits better)

UshiromiyaEva posted...

I'm starting to put together the theory that these are literally different groups of characters

It's funny because this is given to us at the very beginning, but we just choose to ignore the obvious fact that Coco is not Sara