Current Events > Karl Jobst - a con artist goes after Jirard, another con artist.

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Uta posted...

My assumption when

(4) Misrepresenting or misleading anyone in any manner to believe that the person on whose behalf a solicitation or charitable sales promotion is being conducted is a charitable organization or that the proceeds of the solicitation or charitable sales promotion will be used for charitable purposes when that is not the fact.

Thats a California statute charities must abide by. Do with that what you will. You do know that they wanted their ultimate donation to not be used on what they considered not a critical use of the funds? Doesnt everybody that gave to him deserve that same courtesy?

If theres ultimately wrongdoing found and there are penalties/restitution they have to do/pay, would you rather that this have remained hidden forever just because Karl was one of the ones that exposed them?

Dementia runs in my family. My great grandmother and grandfather died from it. I do get that we all have reasons for things and personal things get involved with everything though.

UnfairRepresent posted...

You act like it's a zero sum game between Karl and Jirad where if we fight or raise awareness of Jirad's charity fraud then Karl "wins points."

Uh, no. No see, I haven't defended Jirard's actions. Like look at the topic title of the thread your posting in. You seem to be under the impression that anyone who goes after Jobst is defending Jirard. But that's not the case. I'm just saying that Jobst is worse than Jirard. because he's a nazi.

Ultimately I think Jirard did some fucked up stuff, but I don't care about it nearly as much as people willingly giving a Nazi a platform if it means they get to hate on him some more. You want to hate jirard cool. Keep hating him. I don't care, I'm not here to defend him. But I really wish you'd spend even 1% of the energy you spend condemning Jirard on calling out Jobst for being a literal Nazi. You're the only one here treating it like a zero sum game.

ADW posted...

If theres ultimately wrongdoing found and there are penalties/restitution they have to do/pay, would you rather that this have remained hidden forever just because Karl was one of the ones that exposed them?

If it's that extreme. Yes. If I absolutely had to choose between getting rid of a Nazi and a money-criminal getting off scot-free. I would choose to get rid of the Nazi. But I would also hope that someone who isn't a Nazi takes their place in making sure crimes like Jirard's are brought to justice; in addition to getting rid of the Nazi. But in a world where I can only have one. Get rid of the nazi.

ADW posted...

If theres ultimately wrongdoing found and there are penalties/restitution they have to do/pay, would you rather that this have remained hidden forever just because Karl was one of the ones that exposed them?

That's a good question as well.

The argument of "Well I expect donations to pay for expenses and costs even if the guys running the charity lie about that for years." Ok let's take that as read.

Let's say for the sake of argument that there was $126,000 donations raised that are unaccounted for. (This is pure hypothetical on my part, we have no idea how much of the donated funds are unaccounted for because Open Hand WIll not tell us)

Is your argument that we should just accept that and not pursue it/press Jirad/open hand for it? Even it was flat out embezelled. Because Karl is a jerk and he's the reason people are looking into it?

How about if say Taylor Swift or Greta Thumberg or Zohran Mamdani or Chris Barrie was the one who brought up all the facts or receipts instead of Karl. The content was pretty much identical, just raised by a different mouth. Then now we should care about it?

To me that's crazy. The important thing is the fraud. Not the personal life of one of the dudes who found out about the fraud

Uta posted...

Uh, no. No see, I haven't defended Jirard's actions. Like look at the topic title of the thread your posting in. You seem to be under the impression that anyone who goes after Jobst is defending Jirard. But that's not the case. I'm just saying that Jobst is worse than Jirard. because he's a nazi.

You literally defended Jirad's actions. I quoted you doing it and you edited it out my post when you responded to me.

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"But even for "The good ones" I fully expect at least some of the money to go towards operating costs. At least; for anything more than just a normal stream with an added ticker that is. But if the charity stream has a different venue, special guests, events, I fully expect there to be costs associated with that. Even if they say "All", I don't expect literally 100% of all proceeds to go towards charity; just the maximum possible once operating costs have been covered. I understand why a lot of people would be blindsided by that, but these are my expectations as someone who understands how charities under capitalism actually work."

What is that if anything but a defense of Jirad's actions? O_o

Ultimately I think Jirard did some fucked up stuff, but I don't care about it nearly as much as people willingly giving a Nazi a platform if it means they get to hate on him some more. You want to hate jirard cool. Keep hating him. I don't care, I'm not here to defend him. But I really wish you'd spend even 1% of the energy you spend condemning Jirard on calling out Jobst for being a literal Nazi. You're the only one here treating it like a zero sum game.

Make a topic about Jobst's personal life and politics then and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how many people love mudslinging at dudes on the internet they dislike. This is a topic about Jirad's fraud so I'm going to talk about Jirad's fraud.

Karl's involvement is in relation to Jirad's charity fraud and the fact he was one of the dudes who brought attention to Jirad's charity fraud and has been pointing out Jirad's lies.

You're being off topic and then are upset that other people are being on topic.

Kerl could bomb Indonesia tomorrow and that still wouldn't excuse Jirad's charity fraud. It's not a sport event, there's no score.

UnfairRepresent posted...

This is a topic about Jirad's fraud so I'm going to talk about Jirad's fraud.

Oh, lol. Alright yeah I'm done with you mate. You can't even read the topic title of the thread you're posting in. The topic from go was about comparing two fraudsters. One of them is a nazi. The other isn't. This topic was indeed about keeping score, and you seem oblivious to that fact. Here, let me bring forth an excerpt from the OP.

YT drama is better than anything on TV. lol These PoSs are great, and karl is dumb enough to risk getting sued again?!

Yeah, sure sounds like a topic meant only for condemning Jirard and nobody else, huh? Complete fucking clown.

Insulting me over and over isn't a retort to anything I said or any points I have raised.

And nobody said you can only condemn Jirad. I flat out responded to you when you defended him and you just edited it out and insulted me (twice)

It's just bizarre to go into a topic about Jirad's charity fraud and then get angry that people are talking about Jirad's charity frauds instead of the politics and personal lfie of the dude who pointed out Jirad's charity fraud. "I refuse to make my own topic about a subject I want discussed. Instead I really wish you all spent your energy talking about unrelated things instead of being on topic." is bizarre.

The story here is always going to be that Jirad lied for years, that charity donations are still unaccounted for. Even if you say you just expect that level of fraud from charities as the standard. Other people don't think "Well that's just what they do" is an acceptable excuse. I sure don't

Including I repeat, Jirad's own defense of his own actions. He expresses anger and disgust for the lying about the donations that weren't donated. Claims he wasn't aware of it for years. Then only lied knowningly for 2 years and only for a few thousand bucks.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Insulting me over and over isn't a retort to anything I said or any points I have raised.

Mate your first contributions to this thread were to accuse anyone who didn't go after Jirard and instead pointed out that Jobst sucks was to accuse them of being tribalistic, and then later stepped that up to being "MAGA-Like. You absolutely do not get pretend you have the high ground here.

Also you haven't made any points. Well, none other than you think it's more important to talk about Jirard than a Nazi. In a thread about two pieces of shit where the TC talks about how both of them are both pieces of shit. You keep trying to claim this thread is focused on Jirard but you're the only one trying to make it that way. Your first post was to defend Jobst, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you didn't know he was a Nazi then. But now you do, and this is a topic about both parties. So stop trying to make this into a "We can only talk about Jirard" here. If YOU want to discuss Jirard's charity fraud without worrying about people calling Jobst a nazi, maybe go make a thread that's actually about that. This thread is about comparing two pieces of shit. And the one that's a Nazi is clearly the bigger one.

Now, in regards to karl breaking this, I'm curious about the dude who tipped karl/muta off? Someone in OHF must have been PISSED!

Uta posted...

Mate your first contributions to this thread were to accuse anyone who didn't go after Jirard and instead pointed out that Jobst sucks was to accuse them of being tribalistic,

Yes. I think people who excuse charity fraud and are trying to draw the topic away from Jirad's charity fraud, even so far as to erase all mentions of Jirad's various lies and fraulent actions from posts they are quoting, all to score points against Karl is picking sides.

There are no sides. Criticism of Jirad is not a defense of Karl and vice-versa.

and then later stepped that up to being "MAGA-Like.

It is. Attacking the personal life of one the guys who pointed out the charity fraud and lies and then being upset at people who are talking about the Jirad's charity fraud and lies instead of hating on some guy is absolutely what MAGA does.

I'm pretty sure if this was different people, you would be the one pointing this out.

You absolutely do not get pretend you have the high ground here.

I never claimed to be Obi-wan. I'd argue criticzing Jirad's charity fraud and lies is whatever the neutral sea level ground is.

Also you haven't made any points. Well, none other than you think it's more important to talk about Jirard than a Nazi

In a topic about Jirad's charity fraud*

I have repeatedly reccomended you make a new topic because you're openly upset people are talking about Jirad's fraud instead of Karl's personal life.

I think the genocide in Gaza or climate change is more important to talk about than Jirad's charity fraud. But it would be wild to angry at people in this topic for not talking about it

To be clear, I would also find it strange if people were angry that users were talking about Jirad's charity fraud instead of Jirad's personal life and politics too. It's an odd thing to be upset with people for being on topic

. In a thread about two pieces of shit where the TC talks about how both of them are both pieces of shit. You keep trying to claim this thread is focused on Jirard but you're the only one trying to make it that way. Your first post was to defend Jobst, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you didn't know he was a Nazi then. But now you do, and this is a topic about both parties. So stop trying to make this into a "We can only talk about Jirard" here. If YOU want to discuss Jirard's charity fraud without worrying about people calling Jobst a nazi, maybe go make a thread that's actually about that. This thread is about comparing two pieces of shit. And the one that's a Nazi is clearly the bigger one.

You're switching horses. You were the one who was upset that people were talking about Jirad's charity fraud instead of Karl's personal life.

I was the one explaining to you why that was and suggesting the ideal course of action for you if you truly wanted to talk about Karl's personal life instead of Jirad's charity fraud.

Also the topic title and OP has nothing to do with Karl's personal life + my opening post was critical of Karl

"While he never "lied" directly , he strongly implied Mitchell's lawsuit was about cheating in video games. Even months after Billy dropped those suits and the only remaining one was about ApolloLegends suicide. Jobst never made that clear.

All the while he took gofundme money from his fans

It's shady, especially after he called out Jirad for doing the pretty much same thing.

That said, people attacking Karl here is weird to me. Jirad is a lying asshat and it's weird to be mad at people for pointing that out.

ESPECIALLY when Jirad explicitly threatened lawsuits, then lied about about and insulted the people he threatened.

Karl has every right to defend himself and its kinda unhinged to excuse Jirads behavior because you don't like Karl. That's just tribalism

These dudes should not be your idols man."

So I really don't get what you're on about there. I feel like you're just taking out anger on me.

Heck you flat out said you understood why I don't want to talk about Karl's personal life after I got moderated for an absolute bunch of nonsense I never ever said. You went back on that awful fast.

Nintendo-34 posted...

Now, in regards to karl breaking this, I'm curious about the dude who tipped karl/muta off? Someone in OHF must have been PISSED!

In Muta's video he says Karl raised it to him.

Considering Karl has a history of doing vids on crooks and cheats. I suspect one of his fans probably raised the dodgy figures to him.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Attacking the personal life

You keep saying this, but like. This is a guy who believes that black people ought to be treated like animals. A thing he said, in public, on the internet. That's not his personal life, and it should be called out. Phrasing it this way feels an awful lot like trying to downplay the fact that he's a vocal Nazi. At this point just admit that you care more about charity fraud than attacking Nazis.

UnfairRepresent posted...

You're switching horses. You were the one who was upset that people were talking about Jirad's charity fraud instead of Karl's personal life.

Uh, no I wasn't? What world must you live in? You attacked me, called me MAGA-Like, for pointing out that Jobst made a Youtube video to make money. I only became upset that people weren't discussing Karl's "personal life" when it was revealed the man was a Nazi. A crime I hold in far more contempt than charity fraud. Especially when the nazi in question is also a fraudster who solicited donations from his fans under false pretenses. And before you try to defend that please do remember he lost that case and is in fact proven a liar and a fraudster by the courts. And the specific reason that upset me, was that you were attacking people who didn't attack Jirard. As if Jobst was the lesser of two evils. If this were just a case of pointing out that both people sucked, we could just move on. But for some reason you're unwilling to do that. In fact, you continue to antagonize me over not going after Jirard hard enough; as if the other guy isn't literally a Nazi.

So I repeat: They both suck, but one's a Nazi, and as far as I know the other isn't.

Uta posted...

You keep saying this, but like. This is a guy who believes that black people ought to be treated like animals. A thing he said, in public, on the internet. That's not his personal life, and it should be called out. Phrasing it this way feels an awful lot like trying to downplay the fact that he's a vocal Nazi. At this point just admit that you care more about charity fraud than attacking Nazis.

In a topic about Jirad's charity fraud*

I have repeatedly reccomended you make a new topic because you're openly upset people are talking about Jirad's fraud instead of Karl's personal life.

I think the genocide in Gaza or climate change is more important to talk about than Jirad's charity fraud. But it would be wild to angry at people in this topic for not talking about it

To be clear, I would also find it strange if people were angry that users were talking about Jirad's charity fraud instead of Jirad's personal life and politics too. It's an odd thing to be upset with people for being on topic

Also

Heck you flat out said you understood why I don't want to talk about Karl's personal life after I got moderated for an absolute bunch of nonsense I never ever said. You went back on that awful fast.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/81061233/986893350

Uh, no I wasn't? What world must you live in? You attacked me, called me MAGA-Like,

You're being disengenious. For a start every part you cut out of my posts and every part you cherry pick says a lot.

For a second. I didn't say "You're MAGA-like" I said the logic of attacking the character of the dude who brought the facts and receipts to someone's crimes, instead of attacking the criminal who did the crimes, is MAGA-like.

And I'll say for the second time, I firmly believe if this was different people, you'd be the one making that very point.

for pointing out that Jobst made a Youtube video to make money. I only became upset that people weren't discussing Karl's "personal life" when it was revealed the man was a Nazi. A crime I hold in far more contempt than charity fraud. Especially when the nazi in question is also a fraudster who solicited donations from his fans under false pretenses. And before you try to defend that please do remember he lost that case and is in fact proven a liar and a fraudster by the courts.

I feel like you're getting wires crossed here. Karl didn't lose a case for fraud. He lost a case for defamation. Billy Mitchel was able to argue that Karl's implication that Billy's harrasment of Apollo Legend contributed to his suicide caused him to lose gigs.

Karl is not a "proven fraudster" by the courts.

Which I'm not defending either way BTW, I legitimately don't know if you realize that or are just being dishonest again >_>

The con accusations have nothing to do with the court. They were that Karl misled his audience to believe the court case was over Billy Mitchell's cheating. Which is shady and I said so in my opening post.

And the specific reason that upset me, was that you were attacking people who didn't attack Jirard. As if Jobst was the lesser of two evils. If this were just a case of pointing out that both people sucked, we could just move on. But for some reason you're unwilling to do that. In fact, you continue to antagonize me over not going after Jirard hard enough; as if the other guy isn't literally a Nazi.

In a topic specifically about Jirad's charity fraud*. I don't get why you keep ignoring that.

I also don't care if you don't like Karl or not. But yeah I'm going to respond to weak and bizarre defenses of Jirad's fraud. Whether they are from you or other users. I don't understand how that is not completely reasonable.

You even flat out said you understood why I don't want to talk about Karl's personal life and now are editing that part out of your replies and pretending you don't.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/81061233/986893350

So I repeat: They both suck, but one's a Nazi, and as far as I know the other isn't.

Sure sucks that one of them did years of charity fraud, lawsuits threats and ongoing lies tho right?

UnfairRepresent posted...

In a topic about Jirad's charity fraud*

That's not what this topic is about. It's about both of them being pieces of shit. I'm able to admit that. It's insanely weird that you can't.

Uta posted...

That's not what this topic is about.

Yes it is.

It's about both of them being pieces of shit. I'm able to admit that. It's insanely weird that you can't.

Uta posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

But you got to understand why I don't feel comfortable talking about the subject anymore

Yup, fair's fair. I'll not press the issue any further.

That's interesting because you didn't think it was weird yesterday. It only became weird when you started insulting me and only responding to 1 or 2 sentences of my posts while completely unfairly representing them.

Your opinion on Karl doesn't change that Jirad, even by his own version of events admits

• He unknowningly lied what happens to donations for at least 4 years with no care for what his own charity was doing
• Knowningly lied about what happened to donations for 2 years
• Threatened lawsuits against those who blew the whistle on his actions
• Constantly lies, including over verifiably quantfiable things. Such as the standing of his charity
• Frequently mentions providing receipts that he never shows
• Has definately received an unknown amount of donated money that's at present completely unnaccounted for

To me being upset that people are going to talk about the above and not the personal and politics life of anyone, including Jirad, is silly.

Even before you get into the fact the mods will make up stuff you never said and mod you for it so I'm not touching the subject with a ten foot pole. Something you said you understood and wouldn't press, only to turn around and say you don't understand and press aggressively while insulting me the very next day.

...You know you both can be pretty, right?

UnfairRepresent posted...

It only became weird when you started insulting me and only responding to 1 or 2 sentences of my posts while completely unfairly representing them.

Yeah, so. If it wasn't obvious it's because I'm not really interesting in arguing with you anymore. You've made it clear you're going to continue being disingenuous.

As for your namesake: My posts trend towards the long side, and I don't have the space nor the will to respond the minutia of every thing anyone says. I highlight the parts that I find best represents the argument being made, and build my arguments off of that. Know that I'm usually not ignoring the parts I leave out. I leave them out for space and for emphasis. It's the same as when you bold parts of my post to fixate on the parts you want to talk about.

That said, in this case I am ignoring the parts I'm cutting off. Because you're talking in circles and refusing to admit to basic facts. You can't even agree what the topic is about. At that point, you've a failure to communicate. You started this thread off by making bad assumptions about people who didn't attack Jirard. You started off your interactions with me, specifically, by making bad assumptions about my intent. You continue to do so, you ignore what I say about my own words and instead interject your own personal bias into my arguments. So I feel no reason to continue humoring you.

Uta posted...

That said, in this case I am ignoring the parts I'm cutting off. Because you're talking in circles and refusing to admit to basic facts.

Such as?

You can't even agree what the topic is about.

It's clearly about Jirad's charity fraud, specifically Karl Jobst recent 4+ hour video going into detail about Jirad's faud in response to Jirad's "You deserve answers" video.

That's indisputable to me. How is the topic not about that?

At that point, you've a failure to communicate. You started this thread off by making bad assumptions about people who didn't attack Jirard.

I started this topic off by criticizing Karl's shady gofundme when someone asked how he is a con artist. You're lying again.

You started off your interactions with me, specifically, by making bad assumptions about my intent.

I didn't mention your intent when I responded to you. I pointed out how silly it would be to argue someone made a video long just to put ads every 5 minutes.

Although if you would like me to comment on your intent, yeah sure, your intent was pretty obvious. You flat out admit you don't like Karl a few minutes later and literally right now are upset we're talking about Jirad's fraud instead of Karl. Almost every post of yours is anger and irritation that people aren't discussing Karl's personal life and instead want to talk about Jirad's fraud in a topic about Jirad's fraud. So... Not sure what your point is even once we go past your lie.

Heck you just flat out lied that Karl was proven to be a fraudster in a court and then instantly just edited that out without apology when corrected. Your bad faith is transparent.

You continue to do so, you ignore what I say about my own words and instead interject your own personal bias into my arguments. So I feel no reason to continue humoring you.

Dude you post about me constantly and flat out complained when I didn't respond to you. Then when I do respond to you, you edit out 99% of my post, lie about what I said repeatedly and insult me all while going back on your word.

You've literally gone to more effort on me than anyone else has done about anything else in the topic.

You don't get to do the "I feel no reason to humor you" thing. You're just flat out being a bully.

lol

Unfair is a Jobst fanboy, we get it. Again, it's gonna come down to which presentation of the information you trust more. Jobst fans will trust Jobst and his facts (which have been so wrong he has lost court cases), Jirard fans will trust Jirard and his facts (which are colored by wanting to paint himself in the best possible light).

UnfairRepresent posted...

Yes it is.

You lie.

"Karl Jobst - a con artist goes after Jirard, another con artist."
-Topic title.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Unfair is a Jobst fanboy, we get it.

My opening post was saying Jobst is shady and shouldn't be your idol...

Again, it's gonna come down to which presentation of the information you trust more. Jobst fans will trust Jobst and his facts (which have been so wrong he has lost court cases), Jirard fans will trust Jirard and his facts (which are colored by wanting to paint himself in the best possible light).

This is dishonest as hell. Karl has only had 1 court case. WTF is "many cases" and his facts about Jirad had nothing to do with it.

Jirad hasn't presented "facts" just a constantly changing story, constant lies (by his own admission) and a table he made himself about funds that doesn't match the public paperwork.

You're acting like this an opinion thing. Where two sides say something and it's he said/she said.

Theres no opinion about a missing $37,664.63 from an event from 1 year out of many years of fundraising.
The US Government (Well Cali Government) is saying that the Open Hand Foundation is in delinquency. Not Karl.
Tiltify are saying the bits donated (Which is only SOME of the donations) don't match Jirad's figures. Not Karl.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/495bf07a.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7a8a2d59.jpg

Jirad's own version of events admit he lied unknowningly for 4 years and knowingly for 2 years. That's Jirad's statement, not Karl.
Jriad is the one who said he has receipts and emails only not to provide them. Not Karl. In fact the bulk of Jirad's receipts are a collection of dumb things Karl said on discord.
Jirard threatened to sue Karl and Muta for raising concerns, only to go on to admit he was lying once the pressure built. Not Karl
Open Hand's tax filings do not account for all the money that has been raised. Not Karl.

It's not "jobst fans trusting Jobsts" it's blatant, undeniably dishonest actions from Jirad and the Open Hand Foundation and undispituable facts from 3rd parties.

This was pointed out to you by several users earlier and you ignored them all. Now you're just insulting me and being disengenious.

Again this is NOT Karl vs Jirad.

Viewing it as such is silly and it's leading to both you and Uta saying daft things.

I didn't watch the video so forgive me if that is covered in it, but in these screenshots do we know that $113k was what the charity actually got after Tiltify took their cut? (I assume they take a large chunk of the donations just like gofundme/patreon/kickstarter/etc.

Error1355 posted...

I didn't watch the video so forgive me if that is covered in it, but in these screenshots do we know that $113k was what the charity actually got after Tiltify took their cut? (I assume they take a large chunk of the donations just like gofundme/patreon/kickstarter/etc.

Yes, they were the platform that took the donations. Their fee is a flat 5% according to their website. They list every individual donation made during every event and anybody can individually tally them up to verify the number if they want. I dont believe they have any reason to lie.

Error1355 posted...

I didn't watch the video so forgive me if that is covered in it, but in these screenshots do we know that $113k was what the charity actually got after Tiltify took their cut? (I assume they take a large chunk of the donations just like gofundme/patreon/kickstarter/etc.

that was the lowest they got. Parts of the videos is they never add the game sales, bits, merch and all that. So the number is much higher, every single year was much higher.

Yt commenters are a pack of wolves, man.

It took karl breaking it down for 4 hours to turn the positive tide in that Jirard "apology" video, but rather than call them dumb, it really shows how manipulative he was there.

Delete all those comments like we know you want to....

No one will ever trust that sack of shit again, and i love it!

In Muta's video he says Karl raised it to him.

Considering Karl has a history of doing vids on crooks and cheats. I suspect one of his fans probably raised the dodgy figures to him.

Sorry, missed that post. If that's the sequence, then fair to speculate said fan could have been part of OHF? No one is clout chasing as a whistle blower by what i see, so good way to avoid NDA while the company deal with being exposed?

Also, possible they just looked at the numbers, and realized jirard was sus, but lacked the platform.

So did we ever find out if Karl was a Nazi? Or is that just a rumor?

texanfan27 posted...

So did we ever find out if Karl was a Nazi? Or is that just a rumor?

someone posted a link to an extremely long blog post going into it, but i tapped out once the author decided to start including inappropriate pics of themselves instead of just communicate the fucking information

texanfan27 posted...

So did we ever find out if Karl was a Nazi? Or is that just a rumor?

I almost feel like with the amount of hate or other creators hes pissed off in the past hed have been exposed long ago with countless videos on it, say from Jirard himself and others

Nintendo-34 posted...

Yt commenters are a pack of wolves, man.

It took karl breaking it down for 4 hours to turn the positive tide in that Jirard "apology" video, but rather than call them dumb, it really shows how manipulative he was there.

Delete all those comments like we know you want to....

No one will ever trust that sack of shit again, and i love it!

I'm not so sure. All Jirad needs to do is do another "Apology" video, make out like it's him vs Karl and all the youtube comments will flip again. You don't even need to leave this topic to see people chomping at the bit for just that.

This vid was actually about Coffeezilla but it;s superfitting here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW4-OWDUIT8