Current Events > Karl Jobst - a con artist goes after Jirard, another con artist.

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4 hours? Fuck that. I have better things to do with my time, like posting on a dying message board.

Hayame_Zero posted...

You sure about that? Because it seems like he was just lazy and ignorant about the donation process since no attempt was even made to do anything with it, let alone spend it.

Watching this shit...he wanted you to think that. He can play victim by looking dumb, and come off as the hero trying to make it right. Look past the mud he admits to knowing that money was there, and choosing to lie for years.

Sure hurried the fuck up when it was exposed, and found a donor quick though claims lots of organizations didn't wanna associate with them after. It does sound like BS in hindsight, and this was brought up.

does karl even make any money on these vids? do they have ads? i started it on my tv for 15 minutes but don't remember if i was getting ads or not. on my PC now and just turned it back on right before i came to CE so funny seeing this topic.

looking at his most popular vids are pretty much all about cheaters in speedruns. then got his drama with the completionist and billy a bit under those. only a few normal speedrun info vids up there.

It's full of ads.

Hayame_Zero posted...

You sure about that? Because it seems like he was just lazy and ignorant about the donation process since no attempt was even made to do anything with it, let alone spend it.

His dad has had many charity events over the decades and not donating anything, so yeah he was just copying his dad. Rich people doing rich things

AceMos posted...

4 hours why does debunking jirard fake ass apology need a 4 hour video

He needs to make money off ads every 5m.

I'm not trying to say I'm "better" than a lot of drama stuff but 4 fucking hours man good god holy shit

Most people are better than the DramaTube community. Because they're not a drama youtuber.

Uta posted...

He needs to make money off ads every 5m.

I'm pretty sure a shorter video would make more money than a 4 hour one due to viewer retention. Otherwise every Youtube video would be 8 hours of filler.

The criticism of "Well you make money" to youtubers has always been a weird one to me.

You'll notice that the responses opposed to Karl are the same attitudes, vibes and sentiments expressed by MAGA when Trump is criticized. Because taken on merits fraud is indefensible.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm pretty sure a shorter video would make more money than a 4 hour one due to viewer retention. Otherwise every Youtube video would be 8 hours of filler.

The criticism of "Well you make money" to youtubers has always been a weird one to me.

You'll notice that the responses opposed to Karl are the same attitudes, vibes and sentiments expressed by MAGA when Trump is criticized. Because taken on merits fraud is indefensible.

If he has an audience that actually will watch a 4 hour video? They can be quite profitable, the issue is most YouTubers do not have such a community.

Enclave posted...

If he has an audience that actually will watch a 4 hour video? They can be quite profitable, the issue is most YouTubers do not have such a community.

You're switching horses.

"He made the video 4 hours long to make more ad revenue."
and
"Enough people will watch a 4 hour video that the video will be profitable." Are different arguments are you know it

200k views in a day. Even if 150k switch off after 20 minutes, that's still made profit. I doubt Karl has made a loss on this video.

But the criitcism of Karl and downright deflection of Jirad being a douchebag of "You're just making it 4 hours to make more money" is clearly untrue. I'm pretty sure the metrics Karl has posted in previous videos defending this same criticism has demonstrated that quantfiably but it's also common sense.

Hell the idea that Karl's points are more or less valid depending on whether he lost money is ridiculous, and I repeat. MAGA level.

Just replace "Karl" with "Fake News" and it's the same thing you see any time a journalist or scientist or enviromentalist points out awful things Trump is doing. That's bad. Do better.

UnfairRepresent posted...

You're switching horses.

I'm doing nothing, I'm just pointing out a fact regarding long form videos on YouTube, don't read any more into it than that please.

You're engaging in argument with Unfair.

You should stop.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

You're engaging in argument with Unfair.

You should stop.

I know, I am not sure why I'm ignoring the tag I have on him.

And boom

You run defense on a guy saying Karl made the video 4 hours long just to make Ad Revenue by saying his audience will make a 4 hour video profitable. Then are intectually dishonest implying you weren't blatantly doing that when confronted on that statement.

And now start personal attacks at me.

Again, MAGA level. No actual acklowedgement or discussion of the points. Just personal attacks and dishonesty and deflections.

It's transparent, and awful.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm pretty sure a shorter video would make more money than a 4 hour one due to viewer retention. Otherwise every Youtube video would be 8 hours of filler.

The criticism of "Well you make money" to youtubers has always been a weird one to me.

You'll notice that the responses opposed to Karl are the same attitudes, vibes and sentiments expressed by MAGA when Trump is criticized. Because taken on merits fraud is indefensible.

Longform videos tend to supplement with tons of ad rolls for that reason, as well as Patreon and sometimes Brilliant or Nebula. Shortform videos do often make more money but one thing people often forget about viral fame is that it's quickly consumed and discarded. It's a lot less stable and you can't predict when your video is going to pop off. Even if you do go viral, there's no guarantee you can ride that wave into stable income. Though seriously trying to make a career on YT is something that's basically playing the lottery to begin with... Anyways. Longform can offer stable growth among more loyal, insightful communities.

I'm also not criticizing Jobst for making money. Fundamentally, a YTer is someone who wants to receive recognition and likely compensation for the content they share. Like, bare minimum, the desire to put something on YT is a desire for someone to see what you've made or thought etc. There's nothing at all wrong with seeking money for the effort they put into their products.

I don't like the guy, but my statement on him needing to make money was completely neutral. The sky is blue, the grass is green, Jobst lost a ton of money in a lawsuit and is obviously trying to make it back.

UnfairRepresent posted...

And boom

You run defense on a guy saying Karl made the video 4 hours long just to make Ad Revenue by saying his audience will make a 4 hour video profitable. Then are intectually dishonest implying you weren't blatantly doing that when confronted on that statement.

And now start personal attacks at me.

Again, MAGA level. No actual acklowedgement or discussion of the points. Just personal attacks and dishonesty and deflections.

It's transparent, and awful.

Look, I didn't defend anybody. I literally just posted a comment about long form videos and you inserted shit into that. This isn't the first time you've done stuff like that so don't be surprised if you get tagged over it.

I don't know what's bugging you tonight but you're out of line.

Uta posted...

Longform videos tend to supplement with tons of ad rolls for that reason, as well as Patreon and sometimes Brilliant or Nebula. Shortform videos do often make more money but one thing people often forget about viral fame is that it's quickly consumed and discarded. It's a lot less stable and you can't predict when your video is going to pop off. Even if you do go viral, there's no guarantee you can ride that wave into stable income. Though seriously trying to make a career on YT is something that's basically playing the lottery to begin with... Anyways. Longform can offer stable growth among more loyal, insightful communities.

I'm also not criticizing Jobst for making money. Fundamentally, a YTer is someone who wants to receive recognition and likely compensation for the content they share. Like, bare minimum, the desire to put something on YT is a desire for someone to see what you've made or thought etc. There's nothing at all wrong with seeking money for the effort they put into their products.

I don't like the guy, but my statement on him needing to make money was completely neutral. The sky is blue, the grass is green, Jobst lost a ton of money in a lawsuit and is obviously trying to make it back.

This was his 1st video in over a month.

If he "Needed to make money" he would be farting out "Top 10 shocking moments in Speedrunning" crap every 4 days for easy bucks.

It's an extrodinarily lazy and factually inaccurate way to handwave all of Karl's points by not engaging them and just going "He just wants money!" as a counter point. You're being intellectually dishonest by pretending that wasn't blatantly what you were doing.

"He needs to make money off ads every 5m." is nonsense and not in anyway "completely neutral" or you "I'm also not criticizing Jobst for making money."

There is no universe where if you're desperate for money you wait for a month and put out 4 hour long videos with filler just for ad revenue.

Hell if you look at people like Atun-Shei or Pyrocynical, they bemoan the fact all they want to do is make really long passion projects but they make a fraction of aligrithrom friendly short videos at a regular pace.

Now imagine all the effort and time you take in insulting/dismissing Karl or me and then lying about it. Now imagine you put that same time and effort into criticing criminals and liars instead.

Enclave posted...

Look, I didn't defend anybody. I literally just posted a comment about long form videos and you inserted shit into that..

Uta posted...

He needs to make money off ads every 5m.

Enclave posted...

If he has an audience that actually will watch a 4 hour video? They can be quite profitable, the issue is most YouTubers do not have such a community.

You're being intellectually dishonest by pretending this wasn't a flat out defense of Uta's atrocious point. Especially when you followed by insulting me for absolutely no reason.

You're the one who is out of line and you know it full well. You haven't even commented once on Karl's points or been on topic. You've just defended bad faith arguments and insulted people. Acting on MAGA level

I didn't watch his video, I don't like his drama videos, I said earlier that I wish he'd stick to speed run community stuff as I like his videos on that stuff.

Then I made a harmless comment about long form videos and you lost it.

Now I kindly ask you to stop comparing me to fascist fucks. If you can't do so then I'll just block you, you're not worth this aggravation.

Jirard is scum, later in the video his straight up lies trying to smear the other guys is so low and making stuff up about them. What a horrible person.
if you watch till just before the 3 hour mark that shows why Karl is mad about this and this long video,

UnfairRepresent posted...

It's an extrodinarily lazy and factually inaccurate way to handwave all of Karl's points by not engaging them and just going "He just wants money!" as a counter point. You're being intellectually dishonest by pretending that wasn't blatantly what you were doing.

I'm not defending or refuting any of his points. I haven't watched the video and don't intend to. I don't watch his videos, and don't intend to. I wasn't criticizing him. Just responding to someone else asking why his video is so long. I'm not handwaiving his points or whatever because I don't know what points he's making. I'm not interested in them. I'm just interested in why this guy might have chosen to make a four video. I offered my perspective on why that is. It makes sense to me. I made no moral judgement against whether it was a good or a bad thing for him to do that.

UnfairRepresent posted...

There is no universe where if you're desperate for money you wait for a month and put out 4 hour long videos with filler just for ad revenue.

Never said he was desperate, just in need. But also: Sure there is. For one, putting out videos like nothing had happened immediately after facing public scrutiny and backlash for failing the lawsuit would look bad. Additionally, whether it's true or not, he has a reputation of digging deep and doing exhaustive research for his videos. He fancies himself a hard-hitting investigative journalist, and his fans expect videos to at least appear well-researched. So what better product to offer than a continuation of a recent money-maker, one that takes a long time to put together, one that both justifies a sudden leave of absence while also using that leave of absence to let the heat towards him die down, and then is itself a massive enough project to garner some attention and buzz and hopefully get his financials back in order?

Like, having through it through, it's honestly the most sensible path for him to take? I don't see how pointing this out is meant as a indictment against him. Were I in Jobst's position this is likely what I would do to recover as well. Putting out some "Top 10 Shocking Moments" video is just a betrayal of his fanbase.

dhampire1 posted...

Jirard is scum, later in the video his straight up lies trying to smear the other guys is so low and making stuff up about them. What a horrible person.
if you watch till just before the 3 hour mark that shows why Karl is mad about this and this long video,

Also remember Jirad had threatened lawsuits against Karl

Something he didn't even bring up in his video.

There's a reason why the only way people can defend Jirad is to insult me and make bad faith deflections at Karl.

Jirads actions are pretty inexcusable

Uta posted...

I'm not defending or refuting any of his points. I haven't watched the video and don't intend to. I don't watch his videos, and don't intend to. I wasn't criticizing him. Just responding to someone else asking why his video is so long. I'm not handwaiving his points or whatever because I don't know what points he's making. I'm not interested in them. I'm just interested in why this guy might have chosen to make a four video. I offered my perspective on why that is. It makes sense to me. I made no moral judgement against whether it was a good or a bad thing for him to do that.

I question why you enter the topic (repeatedly) if you admit you don't like Karl and will never watch his videos

Especially to make bizarre, quantifiably inappropriate statements that degrade Karl and the legitimacy of his videos

Only to then pull an intellectually dishonest "What!? Me? Never!?" when called out on it

Like, having through it through, it's honestly the most sensible path for him to take?

No. Ignoring drama entirely and making frequent 10-15 minute speedrun algorithm friendly videos at a regular pace would be the sensible path.

Sponsors are a flat fee, by making 1 video a month instead of 4-6, Karl is losing tens of thousands

But now look, we're discussing Karl's revenue instead of Jirads actions

It's pure transparent bad faith deflection.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Especially to make bizarre, quantifiably inappropriate statements that degrade Karl and the legitimacy of his videos

But I haven't made statements that degrade Karl. I've pointed out the rather banal fact that a person whose primary income is YT money chose to make a video designed to earn them money.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I question why you enter the topic (repeatedly) if you admit you don't like Karl and will never watch his videos

Uh, because it's a Monday night, I'm laying in bed, and decided to click one of the more active threads on CE to see what people were talking about. (Repeatedly because you keep attacking people for no reason)

UnfairRepresent posted...

But now look, we're discussing Karl's revenue instead of Jirads actions

What? I'm lost now. So wait, do you actually think that pointing out that a YouTuber is trying to make money: the thing that all youtubers do, is somehow a secret defense of Jirard? Look I'm not that duplicitous. I say what I mean and mean what I say. If I'd wanted to defend Jirard I'd just do that. But I wont because I dont watch Jirard either. I dont particularly care about either person and I'm not invested enough in random YT drama to pick a side. I just felt like chiming in to a rabdom thread I'd clicked on and you blew this up to be some assault on Karl's character.

Uta posted...

What? I'm lost now. So wait, do you actually think that pointing out that a YouTuber is trying to make money: the thing that all youtubers do, is somehow a secret defense of Jirard?

Uta posted...

AceMos posted...
4 hours why does debunking jirard fake ass apology need a 4 hour video
He needs to make money off ads every 5m.

Dude you can't pretend this was good faith "All I was saying is that Youtubers earn a living. Which I stated for no reason "

it's clearly obviously bad faith and disingenuous, clearly implying Karl is making long videos not for the valid content they contain but instead trying to squeeze money

Especially when you immediately follow that up by insulting me

You know this, stop being so intellectually dishonest.

Notice btw I don't need to insult anyone

UnfairRepresent posted...

Dude you can't pretend this was good faith "All I was saying is that Youtubers earn a living. Which I stated for no reason "

it's clearly obviously bad faith and disingenuous, clearly implying Karl is making long videos not for the valid content they contain but instead trying to squeeze money

Especially when you immediately follow that up by insulting me

You know this, stop being so intellectually dishonest.

Notice btw I don't need to insult anyone

You keep switching horses.

havean776 posted...

You keep switching horses.

how so?

UnfairRepresent posted...

how so?

You keep making up different arguments to get angry about.
From people saying Karl is grifting to that being a defence of Jirad to saying people are saying Karl is desprate for money, to saying people arn't allowed to make money on youtube.

You just bounce all over the place instead of actually sticking to any argument.

I've not mentioned grifting once. Nor have I said people have said people aren't allowed to make money on youtube.

You're flat out lying.

My point has been consistent this entire time. That Jirad's stance is indefensible and instead we're seeing lazy deflections or disengenious insults like yours.

I.e:
"Why is the video long?"
"So he can shove more ads in every 5 mintues because he needs money after his lawsuit."
"Yeah 4 hour videos can be quite profitable!"

Followed by insulting people and going "All I Said was people earn a living on youtube!" when challenged on the complete bad faith and blatant hostility/deflection of the takes.

It's exactly the same as what Logan Paul does to Coffezilla, what Trump does to Jack Smith, what Tectone does to the women who accuse him, what Hasan does to Ethan.

If that comparison bothers you , then stop emulating that behavior. There's a reason it's so disliked.

Turning the discussion away from Jirad and onto "Karl needs money" so the discussion becomes about pointing out how vids like this lose Karl money instead of Jirad's fraud and inherently implies the video is dishonest and has an ulterior motive, is the same playbook.

I mean the very fact you have to outright lie about what I am saying to insult me, rather than talk about Jirad, the very subject of this topic, demonstrates that bad faith behavior.

UnfairRepresent posted...

You're flat out lying.

My point has been consistent this entire time. That Jirad's stance is indefensible and instead we're seeing lazy deflections or disengenious insults like yours.

Pointing out your behaviour is insulting? Than why act that way?I
I never defended Jirad yet you act as though I have. Again, you keep making up arguments to get angry about, stay on your horse.

When youre such a tool the actual charity grifter looks good by comparison.

havean776 posted...

Pointing out your behaviour is insulting?

Continuely lying about things i never said is insulting

I never mentioned grifting or said that people were arguing you can't have careers on youtube

You lied and now are doubling down on your insulting lie instead of apologising, so you can't pretend your lies are anything other than malice

I never defended Jirad yet you act as though I have.

You sure have aggressively and repeatedly driven the subject away from him though with aggressive bold face lies and dishonesty

While attacking the people who are calling out the users who have done the same

Which is exactly the same actions someone defending Jirad would do. Funny thing that.

Again, you keep making up arguments to get angry about,

Such as?

Also please apologize for lying about me. Your refusal to admit fault means anything you say from now on can only be interpreted as bad faith

havean776 posted...

Again, you keep making up arguments to get angry about

That's essentially his entire personality, yeah.

DrizztLink posted...

That's essentially his entire personality, yeah.

You might say hes representing unfairly.

like i said before, Karl sure needs to find a Jobst...

>_>

Hayame_Zero posted...

You sure about that? Because it seems like he was just lazy and ignorant about the donation process since no attempt was even made to do anything with it, let alone spend it.

lol are you kidding

HighSeraph posted...

Sure, Jan

Great response. This next guy explains it so I don't have to:

zombody posted...

Karl was milseading and shady with something he was getting sued for saying, which isn't cool and it sucks for those who donated under false pretenses.

Completionist was literally stealing thousands in donations with an Alzheimer's charity scam.

I'm here for Jirard getting attacked for 4 hours, he deserves it.

So like, now every yter is a grifter cause they do clickbaiting and/or shitposting? that's not grifting!

like, i wanted to watch billy mitchell scandal videos. jobst provided those. he also doesn't even lie, like I'm really confused as to what the problem it.

i really don't know why CE hates him all of a sudden.

Hayame_Zero posted...

You sure about that? Because it seems like he was just lazy and ignorant about the donation process since no attempt was even made to do anything with it, let alone spend it.

it is so utterly obvious Girard was running a scam, like the first 45 minutes of Jobst's 4-hour monster makes this clear.

The last hour where he goes off on some random accountant is completely pointless and petty.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

The last hour where he goes off on some random accountant is completely pointless and petty.

That random accountant wanted to smear him for clout, and comes off like something a snake like jirard would orchestrate as karl made a strong case that the second "apology" video was a glorified hit piece on him.

It reminds me of when he went and buried moon channel's two bit lawyer ass for not even knowing about the discord call before he view whored about the scandal - stained rep now, but gotta protect it.

Nintendo-34 posted...

It reminds me of when he went and buried moon channel's two bit lawyer ass for not even knowing about the discord call before he view whored about the scandal - stained rep now, but gotta protect it.

Moon Channel: "Hey man, you don't know American law. You might want to be careful about making claims that could get you in trouble. Here's an example of extremely evil American charities that; while not morally, operate legally. Again, I want to stress this really hard. It might not be moral, but our laws are not often moral, and you're trying to make moral arguments about legal issues. Jirard might be acting under similarly immoral but technically legal means as other evil NPOs in America, and thus your claims are kind of dangerous. Love the content, just be careful you don't invite a libel / slander suit."

Jobst, who would later go on to lose a defamation lawsuit against cartoonishly evil Billy Mitchell because he made reckless claims he shouldn't have: "Why are you fucking attacking me? Jirard is evil man fuck you, you're an idiot. Wolf pack, attack this man."

Actually, Unfair's responses here are starting to make more sense. I forgot that Jobst was a paranoid who treats anything short of idolatry towards himself as an attack against him and a defense of his enemies. It makes perfect sense that Unfair would respond the way they did.

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So uh. I was gonna leave it at that at first. Make fun of a bad argument, use that to poke fun at Unfair. Nothing too serious...but when i started thinking of this as paranoia I thought. Well if he's paranoid there's something to be paranoid about, right? I know he lost to Mitchell, but I don't really know the ins and outs of that because again; I don't watch him. So I decided to dig around to see if he's had any other controversies and...

ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME? THIS DUDE IS A NAZI???

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/833f9873.jpg

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO ACT LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST JOBST ARE MAGA? holy shit way to bury the fucking lede y'all. Hung out with known Nazis as recently as 2019. Still friends with lots of people who make racist / sexist remarks against minorities. Many of those friends hang out or idolize known alt-right grifters like Grummz. Literally used to be a slimy pick up artist. Posts literal Nazi memes in his Discord. Repeatedly defended the use of the N Word? Never even apologized for or denied any of this just whined about being cancelled when it was brought up? THIS is who you're taking a stand for? Are you fucking serious?

Like, how is this not what people are talking about here? No, actually. If I had wanted to criticize Jobst in the first place why wouldn't this have been the ammunition I loaded up? I feel like I've missed something here. Why aren't people mad about this. Do y'all seriously think that charity fraud is so serious a crime that you need to defend an actual nazi? Please, prove me wrong. I would prefer to be wrong on this one. There's no way people think that it's okay to defend Nazis. Surely there's some crucial piece of evidence that I missed that totally exonerates him.

Karl went after MC for 2 hours for using his title as auto cred like Muta did, and that liar was a fake engineer - he was smug, and condescending in his video on the case heavily biased to the completionist despite not knowing shit about the case like the mentioned discord call. I say he earned Karl shitting on him to teach him a lesson...a fucking "lawyer" didn't do their research before they put that out there.

I've heard these accusations, of him being a nazi, or affiliating with nazi's, but though i am mad never looked into it, so don't wanna dog pile for something I don't know given his history. I'm just pissed, and lost respect as a man for that lying bastard though i respect him as a speed run historian/editor. By his own admission in the video, and other times he post "stupid shit" on discord.

Moon Channel is great and Karl is lol, though.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

Moon Channel is great and Karl is lol, though.

I've seen good stuff from him, but he fucked up BAD, and his behavior of hiding the apology in a reddit post most his sub base wouldn't see was a BITCH move.

The apology needs to be as loud, and as public as the disrespect.
-CM Punk

He also made at least a post and I think several on his channel's community page.

And a mistake is not disrespect.

wait, so Karl was involved with Nazi stuff? This just got beyond weird

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

He also made at least a post and I think several on his channel's community page.

And a mistake is not disrespect.

Before, or after the reddit post? He kept the video up after claiming the sponsors made it a trial to remove. Let's ignore uploading it itself was the mistake as the video was inherently bad from the jump.

Dude, he condescended without knowing the whole picture for an hour, then minimized the spread of the apology like Karl went on to do in the defamation case.

If he did the community post, then do a retraction video too like Karl should have done in the first place about AP's death claim on BM?

He thought he was better than someone's opinion based off his title, so got what was coming to him.

That was disrespect.

Not to be mean, but did you watch MC's video?

Uta posted...

Like, how is this not what people are talking about here?

Well I was unaware myself, I can safely say the speed run commentary videos he's made don't have any Nazi shit and I've certainly never been to his discord or anything.

I'd unsub from him but I did that ages ago once he basically became a drama-tuber

Nintendo-34 posted...

Karl went after MC for 2 hours for using his title as auto cred like Muta did, and that liar was a fake engineer - he was smug, and condescending in his video on the case heavily biased to the completionist despite not knowing shit about the case like the mentioned discord call. I say he earned Karl shitting on him to teach him a lesson...a fucking "lawyer" didn't do their research before they put that out there.

So, we seem to have watched two different videos, but I think I know why. Moonie talks like a lawyer, and for better and worse that means he often doesn't speak literally especially when a topic requires delicacy around legal matters. You are not going to hear moon channel call someone evil. Instead, Moonie compared Jirard's actions to "Susan G Komen for the Cure". If you're American, you'd know that this charity like so many other American charities is pretty evil. They spend most of their charity money paying execs, most of the rest on advertising, and only a small portion of it actually goes to charity. The bare minimum needed for them to qualify as a non profit in the first place. For the Cure has come under fire several times for being a greedy, evil, selfish corporation wearing the mask of charity to do their business. Comparing Jirard to them was a very explicit condemnation of his character. Moonie did not defend Jirard at all. It was if anything a rather brutal takedown. But you have to be willing to read between the lines, and understand what's not being said as much as what's literally being said.

The point of moonies video was that jobst might be morally correct, but legally not. And that care should be taken in such an area lest he invite himself to a defamation suit. Which again. Was a totally valid concern given Jobst would later almost lose his career losing to Mitchell over a Deffamation suit.

Also that Discord Call meant fucking nothing. It didn't detract from the actual point that Moonie was making. It strengthened Jobst's argument but Moonie wasn't concerned about right vs wrong, but about legality. And the call didn't actually prove Jirard's criminality. Jirard's criminality still hasn't been proven. Even as Jirard has admitted to lying, misleading, and mishandling the funds.

texanfan27 posted...

wait, so Karl was involved with Nazi stuff? This just got beyond weird

So, I'll still be happy to be proven wrong, but here's how I understand it.

In 2019 a close personal friend of Jobst got banned from GDQ for being a nazi. This guy was openly a nazi, and was not secret about his beliefs. When people investigated the guy, they found Jobst was in his Discord server saying lots of slurs. When called out for saying slurs and hanging out with Nazis, Jobst said he was being cancelled for guilt by association. No remorse, no apology, just deflect and avoid the issue.

A lot of people who make videos about Jobst; especially those in defense of him, claim to be friends or acquaintances. Most of those are alt-right fash types and more than a few support Grummz and their ilk. While not a direct condemnation of Jobst who does not appear to publicly interact with them, it feels weird he wouldn't try to distance himself from these people. People who again act as if they're friends in private.

And then there's his Discord, where as recently as April 2025 he's been posting elon's nazi salute in a cheeky, cutesy way. There's also a bunch of other random stuff like him claiming he can't be racist because his wife is asian...which is. Lol. He also used to be a pick up artist where he publicly harassed women on the streets; but maybe we can chalk that one up to an edgy teen phase.

At the very least. He hangs out with nazis, is well liked by nazis, uses slurs and common nazi dogwhistles. Sounds to me like a nazi. But again, I'd be happily proven wrong.

Enclave posted...

Well I was unaware myself, I can safely say the speed run commentary videos he's made don't have any Nazi shit and I've certainly never been to his discord or anything.

Yeah to be clear I'm not calling anyone itt a nazi. I'm more shocked by how this apparently isn't more known. He seems to have done a very good job keeping his channel squeaky clean, but given how many topics there've been about this guy I figured someone besides me would have Googled "jobst controversy".

Like, people calling out Jobst for less than stellar behavior are somehow not finding the artillery shell of evidence that this guy's a nazi. Like you'd think his detractors would lead with this. And his defenders are totally ignorant of it too; to the point that UR was trying to defend him by calling non-fans maga like. It feels like I've been having the wrong argument.

Uta posted...

So, we seem to have watched two different videos, but I think I know why. Moonie talks like a lawyer, and for better and worse that means he often doesn't speak literally especially when a topic requires delicacy around legal matters. You are not going to hear moon channel call someone evil. Instead, Moonie compared Jirard's actions to "Susan G Komen for the Cure". If you're American, you'd know that this charity like so many other American charities is pretty evil. They spend most of their charity money paying execs, most of the rest on advertising, and only a small portion of it actually goes to charity. The bare minimum needed for them to qualify as a non profit in the first place. For the Cure has come under fire several times for being a greedy, evil, selfish corporation wearing the mask of charity to do their business. Comparing Jirard to them was a very explicit condemnation of his character. Moonie did not defend Jirard at all. It was if anything a rather brutal takedown. But you have to be willing to read between the lines, and understand what's not being said as much as what's literally being said.

The point of moonies video was that jobst might be morally correct, but legally not. And that care should be taken in such an area lest he invite himself to a defamation suit. Which again. Was a totally valid concern given Jobst would later almost lose his career losing to Mitchell over a Deffamation suit.

Also that Discord Call meant fucking nothing. It didn't detract from the actual point that Moonie was making. It strengthened Jobst's argument but Moonie wasn't concerned about right vs wrong, but about legality. And the call didn't actually prove Jirard's criminality. Jirard's criminality still hasn't been proven. Even as Jirard has admitted to lying, misleading, and mishandling the funds.

I didn't wanna say he directly defended him, but when i watched that video it damn sure looked like he had it out for Karl in his arguments, and given he didn't know the full picture, it calls into the question things like his objectivity. The condescension shined through.

I should mention, most I know of susan G is when they would partner with WWE in october, and make the ropes pink - should have known it wasn't on the up and up then. lol

Don't wanna get snarky, but if he thought like a lawyer, he'd fucking wait, and make sure he looked at everything, and not jump for those views views VIEWS!!!!.

...Apologies...I've been explaining/repeating stances so long on here/reddit, so trying to catch myself because I am so mad about what karl/jirard pulled, and people hand wave. I don't wanna take it out on you...

The discord video, and everything is relevant because as we saw, without the full picture he got no BoTD, and came off like a youtube whore who wants views by using his credentials to speak about a subject half cocked.

His reluctance to retract that/obscure the traction didn't help his case either. I forgot to mention Karl learned from that, and in this video shouted out MC asking him to tell him if he applied stuff properly this time.

Still doesn't take away MC was a dollar store lawyer for all that.

I watched that whole thing, and noticed how this humbling did Karl some good...I sincerely commend that even if he gets himself in trouble again because he can't help himself.

MC was grimy as hell, even for a lawyer. You see I am pissed at karl, but I saw that video too back then. I want to keep that in check and be fair about this.

I just...REALLY detest users!

Do we know yet why though? Why did he sit on the charity money all those years? Did he steal any of that amount?