Current Events > Does the US deserve to lose global hegemony to China?

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hivebent4life
09/28/25 8:39:34 PM
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As punishment for electing Trump. I think it's fitting

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tremain07
09/28/25 8:45:03 PM
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The country actively chose to destroy it's legitimacy because their hatred of hte other is what mattered more to them. Trump has damaged all of out relationships, soft power and economy beyond repair we're just waiting for the full collapse now, even if somehow he's ousted from power in 3 years for a democrat their term will be a disaster trying to fix Trump's fuck ups all while dealing with a media telling the public what they're doing is straight up not working and making things worse while on another end the republicans will run to the supreme court to block anything the democrat president tries to do by executive order because rules are only for democrats to follow and on another end the senate and congress even with both in dem control in theory there'd be bastards like Fetterman in there to make sure the dems don't accomplish much which will piss off progressives who in tern will blast the hell ouot of the dem because bernie got screwed again or whatever.

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Zikten
09/28/25 8:46:47 PM
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Id rather the EU take over
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suchiuomizu
09/28/25 8:48:19 PM
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Does the rest of the world deserve it though? China will not be an improvement in that position.

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metralo
09/28/25 8:48:45 PM
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Well the leaders of the US don't really care. They are actively destroying and looting the US happily. China becoming the new number 1 is just a result they will shrug off.

Given that Project 2025 has been followed to a T, we won't even be called the US anymore soon. Just 10 different areas where a tech bro has control.

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McmadnessV3
09/28/25 8:49:07 PM
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Can Canada have it instead?

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SSj4Wingzero
09/28/25 8:49:33 PM
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We've lost it. I don't think it's much of an argument anymore.

Do we deserve it? Yeah, probably. Allowing this piece of shit to become President a second time is inexcusable.

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UnholyMudcrab
09/28/25 8:50:56 PM
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The US deserves to lose a hell of a lot more than that

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Scardude
09/28/25 8:52:00 PM
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When all your sitting military next week are dismissed. You can believe it's over

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hivebent4life
09/28/25 8:56:42 PM
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Zikten posted...
Id rather the EU take over
EU is currently trying to implement a measure where they would automatically scan any private message anyone says. I'm not sure they'd be much better.

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tremain07
09/28/25 8:57:04 PM
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metralo posted...
Well the leaders of the US don't really care. They are actively destroying and looting the US happily. China becoming the new number 1 is just a result they will shrug off.

Given that Project 2025 has been followed to a T, we won't even be called the US anymore soon. Just 10 different areas where a tech bro has control.
https://www.project2025.observer/en

sure has almost 50 percent complete and it's only been 8 months they're moving lighting fast and if the government shuts down they'll go even faster as Trump will be able to fire even more federal workers, by the way, the document itself called for 50,000 workers to be fired, Trump has fired 300,000 workers from the federal government so not only is P25 succeeding beyond the creators wildest dreams they're over performing

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Enclave
09/28/25 9:03:36 PM
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There's a few countries trying to step up right now. The EU as a block is, China is, Canada is and the UK is also trying. It's going to take time to see how things settle for the long term. China though is probably the best positioned at the moment and followed by the EU.

hivebent4life posted...
EU is currently trying to implement a measure where they would automatically scan any private message anyone says. I'm not sure they'd be much better.

Unfortunately every country is trying shit like this to one degree or another.

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LightSnake
09/28/25 9:05:19 PM
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Yeah, Hive, China. A brutal imperialist country currently committing mass repression and genocide, that's enormously homophobic and transphobic, that runs horrible operations throughout Africa.

Hive, what the *hell?*

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Solar_Crimson
09/28/25 9:06:57 PM
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SSj4Wingzero posted...
We've lost it. I don't think it's much of an argument anymore.

Do we deserve it? Yeah, probably. Allowing this piece of shit to become President a second time is inexcusable.


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suchiuomizu
09/28/25 9:10:24 PM
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LightSnake posted...
Yeah, Hive, China. A brutal imperialist country currently committing mass repression and genocide, that's enormously homophobic and transphobic, that runs horrible operations throughout Africa.

Hive, what the *hell?*

Same one who thinks a whole State should suffer because Trump won there by less than 1%.

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hivebent4life
09/28/25 9:14:24 PM
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LightSnake posted...
Yeah, Hive, China. A brutal imperialist country currently committing mass repression and genocide, that's enormously homophobic and transphobic, that runs horrible operations throughout Africa.

Hive, what the *hell?*
It's probably safer to be trans in China right now than it is in Trump's America, or Labour Britain for that matter. The US and Britain are also both actively funding and supporting a genocide in the Middle East.

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Starks
09/28/25 9:14:37 PM
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Even without 2 rounds of Trump, it'd be hard to compete with China long-term. Our federal and local govts can't just snap their fingers and make things happen. Any president faces functional limits to their power and clearing red tape for mega-projects.

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LightSnake
09/28/25 9:22:48 PM
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hivebent4life posted...
It's probably safer to be trans in China right now than it is in Trump's America, or Labour Britain for that matter. The US and Britain are also both actively funding and supporting a genocide in the Middle East.

Hive, who has more access to gender affirming care: Someone in Beijing or someone in Illinois? There are no laws explicitly protecting transgender people from discrimination in employment, housing, or other areas. It's bad.

Also, China is actively committing a genocide and is parallel to another. You seem to not know much on this subject and frankly, it's kind of sick

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creativerealms
09/28/25 9:23:06 PM
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When you make every wrong decision possible you deserve to lose your place.

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hivebent4life
09/28/25 9:25:41 PM
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LightSnake posted...
Hive, who has more access to gender affirming care: Someone in Beijing or someone in Illinois? There are no laws explicitly protecting transgender people from discrimination in employment, housing, or other areas. It's bad.

Also, China is actively committing a genocide and is parallel to another. You seem to not know much on this subject and frankly, it's kind of sick
I know what the international propaganda on the subject says, but I question any western news sources on China, frankly. They've been caught lying too many times for me to trust them. Also, as a trans woman in Texas, I don't have much discrimination protection either. I'd rather live in a country where trans people aren't on the political radar than live in one where we are made the scapegoat for every issue.

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crayola555
09/28/25 9:26:16 PM
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LightSnake posted...
Hive, who has more access to gender affirming care: Someone in Beijing or someone in Illinois?...

It's probably China right now

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ssb_yunglink2
09/28/25 9:26:39 PM
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Do we want a worldwide 996 system lmao? Of all countries to want to displace the US why are we wanting it to be China?

Trump would probably love to wield the power the CCP has over its citizens. Lets please not forget the Uyghurs and whats happening to them in China as well

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Amakusa
09/28/25 9:28:01 PM
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China was going to do this regardless; the thing is the administration is accelerating the timetable.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Do we want a worldwide 996 system lmao? Of all countries to want to displace the US why are we wanting it to be China?
It has nothing to do with 'wanting' than it is China had been maneuvering this way for well over a decade at this point.

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A_Good_Boy
09/28/25 9:28:52 PM
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It deserves whatever its governance allows for. If it's elected leaders destroy trade and devalue the dollar then that's what it deserves to happen.

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crayola555
09/28/25 9:28:52 PM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Do we want a worldwide 996 system lmao? Of all countries to want to displace the US why are we wanting it to be China?

Trump would probably love to wield the power the CCP has over its citizens. Lets please not forget the Uyghurs and whats happening to them in China as well

I don't think anybody wants it to be China, just they are on the best position to do so.

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ssb_yunglink2
09/28/25 9:29:47 PM
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Wait did TC actually mention the genocide in Palestine but skirt over what China is doing to the Uyghurs? I understand the frustration and powerlessness to see our country fund a genocide, but China is literally not better if that is something you care about

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suchiuomizu
09/28/25 9:30:18 PM
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crayola555 posted...
I don't think anybody wants it to be China, just they are on the best position to do so.

Hive seems to. Thinks people deserve it.

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ssb_yunglink2
09/28/25 9:30:30 PM
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crayola555 posted...
I don't think anybody wants it to be China, just they are on the best position to do so.
I think tc kind of wants it to be China based in their posts itt

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hivebent4life
09/28/25 9:31:48 PM
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I would rather have a multipolar world than any one global hegemony

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LightSnake
09/28/25 9:34:15 PM
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hivebent4life posted...
I know what the international propaganda on the subject says, but I question any western news sources on China, frankly. They've been caught lying too many times for me to trust them. Also, as a trans woman in Texas, I don't have much discrimination protection either. I'd rather live in a country where trans people aren't on the political radar than live in one where we are made the scapegoat for every issue.

You being a China fangirl even as they imprison people in concentration camps is, frankly, disgusting. China does not legally protect trans people and actively discriminates against LGBT people. Your marriage might well be illegal there, just FYI

crayola555 posted...
It's probably China right now

It is not. A trans person in Illinois has much more access to healthcare and anti-discrimination laws than China.

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VRX3000
09/28/25 9:35:06 PM
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Wed probably get more done faster if we broke up into multiple countries. The coastal states will be fine. The flyover states will suffer though.

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SSj4Wingzero
09/28/25 9:39:12 PM
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The COVID-19 pandemic was an opportunity for the US to put the brakes on China's search for global hegemony, but instead Trump's fumbling of the pandemic and the GOP's embracing of anti-vaccine conspiracy theories was so fucking embarrassing that China actually came out of it looking better than the US.

Frankly speaking...if a global pandemic were to occur tomorrow...and you had two sources from whence to get your information...would you choose the Chinese CDC, or would you choose RFK Jr's. CDC? To me, it's not even a question, and that's fucking sad.

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
09/28/25 9:39:36 PM
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LightSnake posted...
Hive, who has more access to gender affirming care: Someone in Beijing or someone in Illinois? There are no laws explicitly protecting transgender people from discrimination in employment, housing, or other areas. It's bad.

Also, China is actively committing a genocide and is parallel to another. You seem to not know much on this subject and frankly, it's kind of sick
Fuck, I was gonna say, "it looks more like they're saying 'America bad', not, 'China good'," but then I saw the post you're replying to and oh nooo, that's not good...

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Srk700
09/28/25 9:40:29 PM
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The US deserves to lose it, but I really dont like the idea of China taking over either.
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ssb_yunglink2
09/28/25 9:42:23 PM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Fuck, I was gonna say, "it looks more like they're saying 'America bad', not, 'China good'," but then I saw the post you're replying to and oh nooo, that's not good...
China is just a different flavor of fucked up than the US. I dont know why some people assume its better just because its not the US.


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SSj4Wingzero
09/28/25 9:43:01 PM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Fuck, I was gonna say, "it looks more like they're saying 'America bad', not, 'China good'," but then I saw the post you're replying to and oh nooo, that's not good...

I mean, China has some serious problems. It's just sad that the GOP's goal is to emulate all the worst aspects of China (suppressing dissent, detention without due process), but they're not at least going to take any of the good things China is doing (infrastructure development, transit development, modernization, focus on education and scientific reasoning)

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hivebent4life
09/28/25 9:50:50 PM
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I'm not saying China is flawless. I know it's still bad for LGBT people overall. I do think morally speaking they are better than Trump's America though. I don't believe they are actively setting out to worsen the lives of 50% of the country, as Trump has admitted to wanting to do to his opponents. I don't think they're trying to get people killed by demonising vaccines. I would take a communist dictatorship over a fascist dictatorship any day if I have to choose a dictatorship. And sadly, there are no democratic world powers right now, except for maybe the EU, but they have a lot of their own issues.

I don't think China, Russia, or America are good countries, but of the three right now, China is the lesser evil. It is sad that I have to say that, but that's how much America has already degraded under Trump.

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LightSnake
09/28/25 9:54:13 PM
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hivebent4life posted...
I'm not saying China is flawless. I know it's still bad for LGBT people overall. I do think morally speaking they are better than Trump's America though. I don't believe they are actively setting out to worsen the lives of 50% of the country, as Trump has admitted to wanting to do to his opponents. I don't think they're trying to get people killed by demonising vaccines. I would take a communist dictatorship over a fascist dictatorship any day if I have to choose a dictatorship. And sadly, there are no democratic world powers right now, except for maybe the EU, but they have a lot of their own issues.

You are one of the worst posters on this board. You spend years fucking trolling in favor of the GOP, now you're cheerleading for a genocidal dictatorship. You are never right. You don't give a shit about other people. You only started caring about this when it hit you personally.

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hivebent4life
09/28/25 9:57:08 PM
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LightSnake posted...
You are one of the worst posters on this board. You spend years fucking trolling in favor of the GOP, now you're cheerleading for a genocidal dictatorship. You are never right. You don't give a shit about other people. You only started caring about this when it hit you personally.
You have just never gotten over your anger at me criticising Hillary Clinton literal years ago now. China is not a good country. But they are the lesser evil compared to Trump's America. I would take Biden or Obama's America's over China. Maybe even first term Trump. But the current Trump administration is far eviller than China could ever hope to be.

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ssb_yunglink2
09/28/25 9:58:26 PM
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hivebent4life posted...
I'm not saying China is flawless. I know it's still bad for LGBT people overall. I do think morally speaking they are better than Trump's America though. I don't believe they are actively setting out to worsen the lives of 50% of the country, as Trump has admitted to wanting to do to his opponents. I don't think they're trying to get people killed by demonising vaccines. I would take a communist dictatorship over a fascist dictatorship any day if I have to choose a dictatorship. And sadly, there are no democratic world powers right now, except for maybe the EU, but they have a lot of their own issues.

I don't think China, Russia, or America are good countries, but of the three right now, China is the lesser evil. It is sad that I have to say that, but that's how much America has already degraded under Trump.
As I said earlier, the GOP wants to gain the amount of power the CCP has over its citizens. Theres not a lesser evil here, all 3 countries do irredeemable things. I get not wanting to be in the US as a trans person rn, but do not get into the thought process that China is any better just because its not the US.

China does not acknowledge LGBT in hate crime laws and does not legally acknowledge non-hetero marriage. Theyre doing their own genocide. 996 is a plague. Theyre more authoritarian than even the US despite no lack of trying from the GOP.

If you care about the GOP trying to disappear immigrants lately, the CCP disappeared a Chinese tennis player for speaking against an official for sexual assault. Shes basically disappeared from public life since then. Thats the level of absolutely control the government has.

The grass is not always greener

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OmegaShinkai
09/28/25 9:58:36 PM
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hivebent4life posted...
multipolar world
Imagine just casually spouting tankie propaganda
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LightSnake
09/28/25 9:59:26 PM
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hivebent4life posted...
You have just never gotten over your anger at me criticising Hillary Clinton literal years ago now.

Nah, you didn't "criticize Clinton," you trolled for years in favor of the GOP. You even trolled about school shootings for kicks.

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LordFarquad1312
09/28/25 10:00:30 PM
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Yes

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hivebent4life
09/28/25 10:00:41 PM
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LightSnake posted...
Nah, you didn't "criticize Clinton," you trolled for years in favor of the GOP. You even trolled about school shootings for kicks.
I never said a single positive thing about Trump or the GOP. I don't know why you keep insisting I did. I fucking despise the GOP and always have.

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Umbreon
09/28/25 10:01:29 PM
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Absolutely.

That's not to say China taking over is a good thing, but America as a country has demonstrated that it's not fit to be the world leader anymore.

We 100% deserve to lose that status.

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hivebent4life
09/28/25 10:01:39 PM
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OmegaShinkai posted...
Imagine just casually spouting tankie propaganda
The US attaining global hegemony was a horrible thing for quality of life worldwide, including within the US itself.

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LightSnake
09/28/25 10:03:22 PM
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hivebent4life posted...
I never said a single positive thing about Trump or the GOP. I don't know why you keep insisting I did. I fucking despise the GOP and always have.

Yeah, yeah. You just trolled in their favor for years, but sure. You loathe them.


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hivebent4life
09/28/25 10:04:01 PM
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LightSnake posted...
Yeah, yeah. You just trolled in their favor for years, but sure. You loathe them.
Criticising the establishment Democrats is not being in favor of the GOP. I have always been pro Bernie and AOC, for example.

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012yArthur0
09/28/25 10:06:34 PM
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Maybe it deserves it, but I don't really believe it should.

For as much the anti-west ideology that is around, I find China government far less trustworthy than USA.

Not to mention how gung-ho they are with censorship. The censored Arcane clip cracks me up to this day.

Enclave posted...
Unfortunately every country is trying shit like this to one degree or another.
And I believe they will never stop. Politicians are always trying to take more power to themselves on the disguise of safety.

And if anything it might makes the boiling point in EU even worse.

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LightSnake
09/28/25 10:08:32 PM
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hivebent4life posted...
Criticising the establishment Democrats is not being in favor of the GOP. I have always been pro Bernie and AOC, for example.

Still trolled in favor of the GOP for years. Not gonna forget it.

You thought it was so funny and clever when you posted the "HILLARY!!!!" topics even as Trump was fucking up the country.

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