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AceMos 09/18/25 6:51:45 PM #1:	https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4NgbdRtcZXw basically if you watch a video with a ad blocker on the youtuber no longer even gets a viewer added to their tottall youtube has prevented people from getting paid over ad blockers which sucked but before they still got a view out of it which helped them in the algorithm now thoe they dont even get a view --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:986458003] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4NgbdRtcZXwbasically if you watch a video with a ad blocker on the youtuber no longer even gets a viewer added to their tottallyoutube has prevented people from getting paid over ad blockers which sucked but before they still got a view out of it which helped them in the algorithm now thoe they dont even get a view </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Accolon 09/18/25 6:52:44 PM #2:	Well that sucks. Still not turning off my ad blocker though --- http://i.imgur.com/XAMp8.jpg <cite>Accolon posted [p:986458009] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Well that sucks. Still not turning off my ad blocker though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Voidgolem 09/18/25 6:52:47 PM #3:	I'd think that, internally, having an adblocker would have done this to begin with seeing as that's how ad payouts work --- Why not go all in? <cite>Voidgolem posted [p:986458010] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>I'd think that, internally, having an adblocker would have done this to begin with seeing as that's how ad payouts work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 09/18/25 6:54:09 PM #4:	So viewership is actually probsbly 20x higher than it's listed? --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. https://youtu.be/lMss1CeHOiM <cite>K181 posted [p:986458018] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>So viewership is actually probsbly 20x higher than it's listed?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 09/18/25 6:54:33 PM #5:	Voidgolem posted... I'd think that, internally, having an adblocker would have done this to begin with seeing as that's how ad payouts work again this is about the youtubers viewer counter not the ad its self blocking payments is one thing this is a entirely seperate matter --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:986458020] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Voidgolem posted... </cite><quote>I'd think that, internally, having an adblocker would have done this to begin with seeing as that's how ad payouts work</quote>again this is about the youtubers viewer counter not the ad its selfblocking payments is one thing this is a entirely seperate matter </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Barber102 09/18/25 6:54:43 PM #6:	Aslong as they have ads longer than a minute i will not turn off my ad block. One time i did and i had an entire reality tv show episode as an ad. Fuck that. --- Dinosaurs built the pyramids. <cite>Barber102 posted [p:986458023] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Aslong as they have ads longer than a minute i will not turn off my ad block. One time i did and i had an entire reality tv show episode as an ad. Fuck that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dakimakura 09/18/25 6:55:11 PM #7:	At least this makes sense considering why would they want to pay someone for ad revenue that is not even being generated? --- Gamefaqs Community Organizer <cite>Dakimakura posted [p:986458025] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>At least this makes sense considering why would they want to pay someone for ad revenue that is not even being generated?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 09/18/25 6:55:48 PM #8:	Dakimakura posted... At least this makes sense considering why would they want to pay someone for ad revenue that is not even being generated? again that is not the issue here the actual view counter on the video is being targeted --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:986458033] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Dakimakura posted... </cite><quote>At least this makes sense considering why would they want to pay someone for ad revenue that is not even being generated?</quote>again that is not the issue herethe actual view counter on the video is being targeted </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greendawg 09/18/25 6:56:08 PM #9:	Barber102 posted... Aslong as they have ads longer than a minute i will not turn off my ad block. One time i did and i had an entire reality tv show episode as an ad. Fuck that. I had an entire 3 hour conference as an ad once back in the day. --- XBOX Live: Otimus / PSN: OtimusPSN / Steam: Otimus / Switch FC: SW-3678-9150-0322 <cite>greendawg posted [p:986458036] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Barber102 posted... </cite><quote>Aslong as they have ads longer than a minute i will not turn off my ad block. One time i did and i had an entire reality tv show episode as an ad. Fuck that.</quote>I had an entire 3 hour conference as an ad once back in the day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 09/18/25 6:56:18 PM #10:	K181 posted... So viewership is actually probsbly 20x higher than it's listed? The majority of people don't use adblockers. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. 30-50% of those arrested at anti immigration protests in the UK have convictions for domestic abuse. <cite>ai123 posted [p:986458038] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>K181 posted... </cite><quote>So viewership is actually probsbly 20x higher than it's listed?</quote>The majority of people don't use adblockers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Voidgolem 09/18/25 6:57:19 PM #11:	AceMos posted... again this is about the youtubers viewer counter not the ad its self blocking payments is one thing this is a entirely seperate matter I'd think having the view counter accurately reflect how much you're getting from your videos makes sense, though? like, sure, the number being smaller hurts the mental state, and there's a lot to be said as video creation as a hobby and not a job, but that's not what the shape of the world supports currently what with the whole late stage capitalism thing --- Why not go all in? <cite>Voidgolem posted [p:986458049] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>again this is about the youtubers viewer counter not the ad its selfblocking payments is one thing this is a entirely seperate matter</quote>I'd think having the view counter accurately reflect how much you're getting from your videos makes sense, though?like, sure, the number being smaller hurts the mental state, and there's a lot to be said as video creation as a hobby and not a job, but that's not what the shape of the world supports currently what with the whole late stage capitalism thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 09/18/25 6:58:45 PM #12:	Voidgolem posted... I'd think having the view counter accurately reflect how much you're getting from your videos makes sense, though? like, sure, the number being smaller hurts the mental state, and there's a lot to be said as video creation as a hobby and not a job, but that's not what the shape of the world supports currently what with the whole late stage capitalism thing the view counter tells a youtuber how much people liked that particular video it also helps with sponsorships it helps bring in NEW viewers the view counter is the single most important aspect to being a youtuber --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:986458066] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Voidgolem posted... </cite><quote>I'd think having the view counter accurately reflect how much you're getting from your videos makes sense, though?like, sure, the number being smaller hurts the mental state, and there's a lot to be said as video creation as a hobby and not a job, but that's not what the shape of the world supports currently what with the whole late stage capitalism thing</quote>the view counter tells a youtuber how much people liked that particular videoit also helps with sponsorshipsit helps bring in NEW viewersthe view counter is the single most important aspect to being a youtuber </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumpo 09/18/25 6:58:46 PM #13:	Accolon posted... Well that sucks. Still not turning off uBlock Origin and Sponsorblock though --- Lancool II \| Z690 Tomahawk \| 12700K \| Fuma 2 \| RTX 3070Ti \| 32GB 3600MHz \| FireCuda 530 1TB \| Inland NVMe 1TB \| P3 Plus 4TB \| RM750x <cite>Trumpo posted [p:986458067] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Accolon posted... </cite><quote>Well that sucks. Still not turning off uBlock Origin and Sponsorblock though</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 09/18/25 7:01:21 PM #14:	ai123 posted... The majority of people don't use adblockers. iirc highest estimates are ~35% use adblockers which is pretty significant from a content creator standpoint. In reality, I would say they did this to incentivize shorts more consider the ads are baked in as videos in the feed and more difficult(if not impossible) to block properly. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:986458091] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>The majority of people don't use adblockers.</quote>iirc highest estimates are ~35% use adblockers which is pretty significant from a content creator standpoint.In reality, I would say they did this to incentivize shorts more consider the ads are baked in as videos in the feed and more difficult(if not impossible) to block properly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 09/18/25 7:03:22 PM #15:	R_Jackal posted... iirc highest estimates are ~35% use adblockers which is pretty significant from a content creator standpoint. In reality, I would say they did this to incentivize shorts more consider the ads are baked in as videos in the feed and more difficult(if not impossible) to block properly. Yeah, I'm not saying it isn't significant. Just that views wouldn't be '20 x higher' without them. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. 30-50% of those arrested at anti immigration protests in the UK have convictions for domestic abuse. <cite>ai123 posted [p:986458114] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>R_Jackal posted... </cite><quote>iirc highest estimates are ~35% use adblockers which is pretty significant from a content creator standpoint.In reality, I would say they did this to incentivize shorts more consider the ads are baked in as videos in the feed and more difficult(if not impossible) to block properly.</quote>Yeah, I'm not saying it isn't significant. Just that views wouldn't be '20 x higher' without them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bleuets 09/18/25 7:05:12 PM #16:	YouTube ads are insanely frequent. I have to block the ads. <cite>Bleuets posted [p:986458132] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>YouTube ads are insanely frequent. I have to block the ads.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Frostshock 09/18/25 7:05:49 PM #17:	I'm not watching this, but all these posts seem to miss the point that ad blockers made a change that is preventing the browser from contacting YouTube to record a view. How exactly is that YouTube's problem? --- Got questions about schoolwork? Want to share answers, or discuss your studies? Come to Homework Helpers! http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1060-homework-helpers <cite>Frostshock posted [p:986458140] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>I'm not watching this, but all these posts seem to miss the point that ad blockers made a change that is preventing the browser from contacting YouTube to record a view.How exactly is that YouTube's problem?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 09/18/25 7:06:24 PM #18:	Accolon posted... Well that sucks. Still not turning off my ad blocker though --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) <cite>Umbreon posted [p:986458148] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Accolon posted... </cite><quote>Well that sucks. Still not turning off my ad blocker though</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 09/18/25 7:07:32 PM #19:	Frostshock posted... I'm not watching this, but all these posts seem to miss the point that ad blockers made a change that is preventing the browser from contacting YouTube to record a view. How exactly is that YouTube's problem? its not the ad blockers doign that its youtube its self doing it they even confirmed this --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:986458154] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Frostshock posted... </cite><quote>I'm not watching this, but all these posts seem to miss the point that ad blockers made a change that is preventing the browser from contacting YouTube to record a view.How exactly is that YouTube's problem?</quote>its not the ad blockers doign that its youtube its self doing it they even confirmed this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 09/18/25 7:09:28 PM #20:	Yeah it's 100% YouTube fucking with things. Wouldn't be surprised if this was a pitiful attempt to try to get content creators to be against adblockers. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) <cite>Umbreon posted [p:986458177] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Yeah it's 100% YouTube fucking with things. Wouldn't be surprised if this was a pitiful attempt to try to get content creators to be against adblockers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Frostshock 09/18/25 7:10:56 PM #21:	AceMos posted... its not the ad blockers doign that its youtube its self doing it they even confirmed this No, YouTube confirmed the issue is caused by ad blockers. YouTube didn't change anything, the ad blockers started blocking the API calls required to record views to a video. --- Got questions about schoolwork? Want to share answers, or discuss your studies? Come to Homework Helpers! http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1060-homework-helpers <cite>Frostshock posted [p:986458192] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>its not the ad blockers doign that its youtube its self doing it they even confirmed this</quote>No, YouTube confirmed the issue is caused by ad blockers. YouTube didn't change anything, the ad blockers started blocking the API calls required to record views to a video.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 09/18/25 7:11:05 PM #22:	Umbreon posted... Yeah it's 100% YouTube fucking with things. Wouldn't be surprised if this was a pitiful attempt to try to get content creators to be against adblockers. while that would be a bonus the real goal is to drive away smaller creators as they are hit far harder by this --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:986458197] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Umbreon posted... </cite><quote>Yeah it's 100% YouTube fucking with things. Wouldn't be surprised if this was a pitiful attempt to try to get content creators to be against adblockers.</quote>while that would be a bonus the real goal is to drive away smaller creators as they are hit far harder by this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkraiomb 09/18/25 7:12:59 PM #23:	Oh no, those poor people! Anyway, who cares? --- "Calling Trump a nazi should be moddable. Because if you do youre trolling Americans and anyone with a brain. "~ KingCrabCake <cite>Darkraiomb posted [p:986458221] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Oh no, those poor people!Anyway, who cares?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 09/18/25 7:12:59 PM #24:	Frostshock posted... I'm not watching this, but all these posts seem to miss the point that ad blockers made a change that is preventing the browser from contacting YouTube to record a view. How exactly is that YouTube's problem? That... isn't what is happening. YouTube figured out how to track people using adblockers a long time ago so they didn't have to pay out ad revenue over views that weren't watching ads, but the views still counted--which is important in getting your content pushed if you're a popular creator. Now, it doesn't count for revenue or your actual view count which means you're both less likely to make money and less likely to get pushed to the front. A good case for this is Second Wind(The new channel for Zero Punctuation, or as it is now, Fully Ramblomatic) where you can see them losing 30k~100k views on videos after this change went in to effect, and their smaller videos dropping by over 50% in viewership and even being briefly concerned about being shadowbanned because... their content wasn't being pushed any more because of the sudden down-trend in viewership. So, tldr: It's a massive dick move from YouTube because they don't want content creators successfully monetizing in other means, basically--because there are ones that exist basic solely off of merch/fan donation/content creator pages. Even as someone who doesn't really give a fuck about YouTubers and thinks it's a joke profession, it's pretty damn stupid to do this to them. It's basically if your boss walked up to the IT section and said "Y'all are getting your pay cut in half because I don't understand what the fuck you're doing, k bye." <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:986458222] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Frostshock posted... </cite><quote>I'm not watching this, but all these posts seem to miss the point that ad blockers made a change that is preventing the browser from contacting YouTube to record a view.How exactly is that YouTube's problem?</quote>That... isn't what is happening.YouTube figured out how to track people using adblockers a long time ago so they didn't have to pay out ad revenue over views that weren't watching ads, but the views still counted--which is important in getting your content pushed if you're a popular creator.Now, it doesn't count for revenue or your actual view count which means you're both less likely to make money and less likely to get pushed to the front. A good case for this is Second Wind(The new channel for Zero Punctuation, or as it is now, Fully Ramblomatic) where you can see them losing 30k~100k views on videos after this change went in to effect, and their smaller videos dropping by over 50% in viewership and even being briefly concerned about being shadowbanned because... their content wasn't being pushed any more because of the sudden down-trend in viewership.So, tldr: It's a massive dick move from YouTube because they don't want content creators successfully monetizing in other means, basically--because there are ones that exist basic solely off of merch/fan donation/content creator pages.Even as someone who doesn't really give a fuck about YouTubers and thinks it's a joke profession, it's pretty damn stupid to do this to them. It's basically if your boss walked up to the IT section and said "Y'all are getting your pay cut in half because I don't understand what the fuck you're doing, k bye."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 09/18/25 7:15:39 PM #25:	Darkraiomb posted... Oh no, those poor people! Anyway, who cares? yes those poor people alot of people make their living off youtube and this is hurting them as i said this hurts small creators far more than large creators --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:986458262] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Darkraiomb posted... </cite><quote>Oh no, those poor people!Anyway, who cares?</quote>yes those poor people alot of people make their living off youtube and this is hurting themas i said this hurts small creators far more than large creators </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 09/18/25 7:17:44 PM #26:	R_Jackal posted... iirc highest estimates are ~35% use adblockers which is pretty significant from a content creator standpoint. I find this estimate way too high to be believable, basically all sources I find talking about viewer rations have total youtube viewership on PC at 20% or less. Then let's be really generous and say adblock usage is 50% on PC and 10% elsewhere (I think both of these are high probably but whatever) so that's total adblocker usage on youtube at about 18%, even with extremely generous estimates of numbers in adblock's favour in every dimension --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:986458287] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>R_Jackal posted... </cite><quote>iirc highest estimates are ~35% use adblockers which is pretty significant from a content creator standpoint.</quote>I find this estimate way too high to be believable, basically all sources I find talking about viewer rations have total youtube viewership on PC at 20% or less. Then let's be really generous and say adblock usage is 50% on PC and 10% elsewhere (I think both of these are high probably but whatever)so that's total adblocker usage on youtube at about 18%, even with extremely generous estimates of numbers in adblock's favour in every dimension</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 09/18/25 7:19:44 PM #27:	kirbymuncher posted... I find this estimate way too high to be believable, basically all sources I find talking about viewer rations have total youtube viewership on PC at 20% or less. Then let's be really generous and say adblock usage is 50% on PC and 10% elsewhere (I think both of these are high probably but whatever) your mistake is your using youtube as a hole rather than long form video creators who are the ones talking about this as an example most people are not going to watch quinton reviews 8 hour victorious video on a cell phone they are gona watch it on PC or just 30 min plus videos in general will typically be watched on PC --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:986458318] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted... </cite><quote>I find this estimate way too high to be believable, basically all sources I find talking about viewer rations have total youtube viewership on PC at 20% or less. Then let's be really generous and say adblock usage is 50% on PC and 10% elsewhere (I think both of these are high probably but whatever)</quote>your mistake is your using youtube as a holerather than long form video creators who are the ones talking about thisas an example most people are not going to watch quinton reviews 8 hour victorious video on a cell phonethey are gona watch it on PC or just 30 min plus videos in general will typically be watched on PC</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 09/18/25 7:23:47 PM #28:	AceMos posted... rather than long form video creators who are the ones talking about this I guess that's true. I have gotten the impression overall across the years that youtube tends to prefer shorts & short videos over long stuff though even independent of the adblock thing. Just another way they're trying to get more shorts creators I guess --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:986458380] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>rather than long form video creators who are the ones talking about this</quote>I guess that's true. I have gotten the impression overall across the years that youtube tends to prefer shorts & short videos over long stuff though even independent of the adblock thing. Just another way they're trying to get more shorts creators I guess</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 09/18/25 7:26:18 PM #29:	kirbymuncher posted... I guess that's true. I have gotten the impression overall across the years that youtube tends to prefer shorts & short videos over long stuff though even independent of the adblock thing. Just another way they're trying to get more shorts creators I guess what youtube wants changes some times they want long videos some times they want short videos what is expected is never told to content creators --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:986458424] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted... </cite><quote>I guess that's true. I have gotten the impression overall across the years that youtube tends to prefer shorts & short videos over long stuff though even independent of the adblock thing. Just another way they're trying to get more shorts creators I guess</quote>what youtube wants changes some times they want long videos some times they want short videoswhat is expected is never told to content creators </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 09/18/25 7:38:06 PM #30:	Accolon posted... Well that sucks. Still not turning off my ad blocker though --- THE Ohio State 2024 National CHAMPIONS: 2-0 \| Las Vegas Raiders: 1-0 <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:986458609] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Accolon posted... </cite><quote>Well that sucks. Still not turning off my ad blocker though</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 09/18/25 7:38:40 PM #31:	kirbymuncher posted... I find this estimate way too high to be believable, basically all sources I find talking about viewer rations have total youtube viewership on PC at 20% or less. Then let's be really generous and say adblock usage is 50% on PC and 10% elsewhere (I think both of these are high probably but whatever) so that's total adblocker usage on youtube at about 18%, even with extremely generous estimates of numbers in adblock's favour in every dimension The issue here is how Adblock users are distributed demographically. Like let's say Adblock represents 20% of viewers. If that was an even distribution, then this change wouldn't matter. All of YouTube would see a 20% loss in views so all videos would remain relatively the same from an algorithm perspective. But Adblock usage is not evenly distributed. Adblock users are most like going to be reasonably tech savvy people, likely in their mid 20s-40s. This audience strongly overlaps with a lot of classic "nerd" interest like video games, technology, anime, etc. To use an earlier example a viewer of a Yahtzee review is going to be many times more likely to be using Adblock than someone watching a make up tutorial, a Fail Army compilation or a how to hang shingles video. So a lot of these nerd-interest channels are facing the brunt of this change and facing a lot of algorithmic depression. --- 1 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:986458617] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted... </cite><quote>I find this estimate way too high to be believable, basically all sources I find talking about viewer rations have total youtube viewership on PC at 20% or less. Then let's be really generous and say adblock usage is 50% on PC and 10% elsewhere (I think both of these are high probably but whatever)so that's total adblocker usage on youtube at about 18%, even with extremely generous estimates of numbers in adblock's favour in every dimension</quote>The issue here is how Adblock users are distributed demographically.Like let's say Adblock represents 20% of viewers. If that was an even distribution, then this change wouldn't matter. All of YouTube would see a 20% loss in views so all videos would remain relatively the same from an algorithm perspective.But Adblock usage is not evenly distributed. Adblock users are most like going to be reasonably tech savvy people, likely in their mid 20s-40s. This audience strongly overlaps with a lot of classic "nerd" interest like video games, technology, anime, etc. To use an earlier example a viewer of a Yahtzee review is going to be many times more likely to be using Adblock than someone watching a make up tutorial, a Fail Army compilation or a how to hang shingles video. So a lot of these nerd-interest channels are facing the brunt of this change and facing a lot of algorithmic depression.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 09/18/25 7:40:09 PM #32:	Makes sense to me, if they aren't getting ad revenue, what's there to share with the creator. <cite>Hospy posted [p:986458629] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Makes sense to me, if they aren't getting ad revenue, what's there to share with the creator.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/18/25 7:42:34 PM #33:	They arent going to guilt trip me into disabling my ad blocker <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:986458654] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>They arent going to guilt trip me into disabling my ad blocker </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/18/25 7:43:54 PM #34:	Frostshock posted... No, YouTube confirmed the issue is caused by ad blockers. YouTube didn't change anything, the ad blockers started blocking the API calls required to record views to a video. You dont need API calls to increase a view counter and even if they did, those API functions dont need to exist on the same servers that delivers their ads <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:986458667] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Frostshock posted... </cite><quote>No, YouTube confirmed the issue is caused by ad blockers. YouTube didn't change anything, the ad blockers started blocking the API calls required to record views to a video.</quote>You dont need API calls to increase a view counter and even if they did, those API functions dont need to exist on the same servers that delivers their ads </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightRender 09/18/25 7:47:28 PM #35:	Compsognathus posted... The issue here is how Adblock users are distributed demographically. Like let's say Adblock represents 20% of viewers. If that was an even distribution, then this change wouldn't matter. All of YouTube would see a 20% loss in views so all videos would remain relatively the same from an algorithm perspective. But Adblock usage is not evenly distributed. Adblock users are most like going to be reasonably tech savvy people, likely in their mid 20s-40s. This audience strongly overlaps with a lot of classic "nerd" interest like video games, technology, anime, etc. To use an earlier example a viewer of a Yahtzee review is going to be many times more likely to be using Adblock than someone watching a make up tutorial, a Fail Army compilation or a how to hang shingles video. So a lot of these nerd-interest channels are facing the brunt of this change and facing a lot of algorithmic depression. So you're saying they came for gamers... --- Personally, I think it makes sense that YouTube is effectively boosting what makes them more money. I mean, that's capitalism. --- Dedicated to D - 4/15/05 <cite>NightRender posted [p:986458689] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Compsognathus posted... </cite><quote>The issue here is how Adblock users are distributed demographically.Like let's say Adblock represents 20% of viewers. If that was an even distribution, then this change wouldn't matter. All of YouTube would see a 20% loss in views so all videos would remain relatively the same from an algorithm perspective.But Adblock usage is not evenly distributed. Adblock users are most like going to be reasonably tech savvy people, likely in their mid 20s-40s. This audience strongly overlaps with a lot of classic "nerd" interest like video games, technology, anime, etc. To use an earlier example a viewer of a Yahtzee review is going to be many times more likely to be using Adblock than someone watching a make up tutorial, a Fail Army compilation or a how to hang shingles video. So a lot of these nerd-interest channels are facing the brunt of this change and facing a lot of algorithmic depression.</quote>So you're saying they came for gamers...---Personally, I think it makes sense that YouTube is effectively boosting what makes them more money. I mean, that's capitalism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
feraldrgn 09/18/25 7:49:34 PM #36:	Perhaps if: the ads weren't garbage, scams or injected with malware didn't interrupt livestreams didn't interrupt ASMR or other relaxation videos didn't last more than 30 seconds I might be willing to turn off adblockers for select Youtubers. --- Izumi Teeny seems cool: https://www.youtube.com/@izumiteeny Avaritia Hawthorne OG Song "Burn The Beast": https://youtu.be/Q-FIPWhMzDM?feature=shared <cite>feraldrgn posted [p:986458702] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Perhaps if: the ads weren't garbage, scams or injected with malwaredidn't interrupt livestreamsdidn't interrupt ASMR or other relaxation videos didn't last more than 30 seconds I might be willing to turn off adblockers for select Youtubers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 09/18/25 8:00:18 PM #37:	Hospy posted... Makes sense to me, if they aren't getting ad revenue, what's there to share with the creator. not what this topic is about again its about how it effects the views on the video --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:986458798] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Hospy posted... </cite><quote>Makes sense to me, if they aren't getting ad revenue, what's there to share with the creator.</quote>not what this topic is about again its about how it effects the views on the video</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaiCSC 09/18/25 8:01:37 PM #38:	That is awful and scummy. But for YouTube in particular, AdBlocker stays put. There was a day where it was not working and the ads both in terms of quantity and content were, to sugarcoat, fucking diabolical. --- I Shot the Sheriff. <cite>JaiCSC posted [p:986458816] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>That is awful and scummy.But for YouTube in particular, AdBlocker stays put.There was a day where it was not working and the ads both in terms of quantity and content were, to sugarcoat, fucking diabolical. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BewmHedshot 09/18/25 8:03:40 PM #39:	Here's what's actually happening to view counts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGTKaALdHzc <cite>BewmHedshot posted [p:986458833] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Here's what's actually happening to view countshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGTKaALdHzc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 09/18/25 8:06:02 PM #40:	feraldrgn posted... Perhaps if: * the ads weren't garbage, scams or injected with malware * didn't interrupt livestreams * didn't interrupt ASMR or other relaxation videos * didn't last more than 30 seconds I might be willing to turn off adblockers for select Youtubers. Personally, YouTube having a giant ass Trump banner all those years back (2016 election I think?) made me adamant that I wasn't going to take off my adblock anytime soon. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) <cite>Umbreon posted [p:986458850] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>feraldrgn posted... </cite><quote>Perhaps if: * the ads weren't garbage, scams or injected with malware* didn't interrupt livestreams* didn't interrupt ASMR or other relaxation videos * didn't last more than 30 seconds I might be willing to turn off adblockers for select Youtubers.</quote>Personally, YouTube having a giant ass Trump banner all those years back (2016 election I think?) made me adamant that I wasn't going to take off my adblock anytime soon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 09/18/25 8:09:28 PM #41:	BewmHedshot posted... Here's what's actually happening to view counts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGTKaALdHzc General consensus is that he is mistaken. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) <cite>Umbreon posted [p:986458893] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>BewmHedshot posted... </cite><quote>Here's what's actually happening to view countshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGTKaALdHzc</quote>General consensus is that he is mistaken. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_____Cait 09/18/25 8:10:47 PM #42:	Youtube probably regrets ever paying their video creators. They keep changing the way they get paid out, more predatory each time. --- ORAS secret base: http://imgur.com/V9nAVrd 3DS friend code: 0173-1465-1236 <cite>_____Cait posted [p:986458912] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Youtube probably regrets ever paying their video creators. They keep changing the way they get paid out, more predatory each time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_Gear_Raxis 09/18/25 8:12:33 PM #43:	Accolon posted... Well that sucks. Still not turning off my ad blocker though This, I don't have adblockers on my smart phone, so when I listen to videos on you tube while driving I'll get smacked with 4 to 5 ads on a ~20 minute video, which is just obscene. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. <cite>Metal_Gear_Raxis posted [p:986458922] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Accolon posted... </cite><quote>Well that sucks. Still not turning off my ad blocker though</quote>This, I don't have adblockers on my smart phone, so when I listen to videos on you tube while driving I'll get smacked with 4 to 5 ads on a ~20 minute video, which is just obscene.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cory898 09/18/25 8:14:33 PM #44:	I dont use adblock as I mainly watch YouTube on my phone where most ads get the skip button after a few seconds and Ive never had an unskippable one over 30 seconds. That said, if I did use any kind of adblock then learning that creators were bearing the punishment of my sticking it to YouTube that would be reason enough for me to cease. --- Probably the only Mario Maker 2 level I'll ever create worth sharing. 1RT-9RG-QKF <cite>Cory898 posted [p:986458949] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>I dont use adblock as I mainly watch YouTube on my phone where most ads get the skip button after a few seconds and Ive never had an unskippable one over 30 seconds. That said, if I did use any kind of adblock then learning that creators were bearing the punishment of my sticking it to YouTube that would be reason enough for me to cease. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philip027 09/18/25 8:27:51 PM #45:	Accolon posted... Well that sucks. Still not turning off my ad blocker though This Voidgolem posted... I'd think having the view counter accurately reflect how much you're getting from your videos makes sense, though? like, sure, the number being smaller hurts the mental state, and there's a lot to be said as video creation as a hobby and not a job, but that's not what the shape of the world supports currently what with the whole late stage capitalism thing Yeah uhh, I don't think you understand how important the view count is. It isn't just a number for feels, or like meaningless "score" in a video game. Frostshock posted... I'm not watching this, but all these posts seem to miss the point that ad blockers made a change that is preventing the browser from contacting YouTube to record a view. How exactly is that YouTube's problem? Even saying this was true, why do you think ad blockers had to resort to something like that in order to keep functioning on their site? Surely it wasn't because of anything YT actively did, like making ads more and more pervasive and insufferable over time, alongside waging war against those ad blockers. Oh wait. <cite>Philip027 posted [p:986459073] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Accolon posted... </cite><quote>Well that sucks.Still not turning off my ad blocker though</quote>ThisVoidgolem posted... </cite><quote>I'd think having the view counter accurately reflect how much you're getting from your videos makes sense, though?like, sure, the number being smaller hurts the mental state, and there's a lot to be said as video creation as a hobby and not a job, but that's not what the shape of the world supports currently what with the whole late stage capitalism thing</quote>Yeah uhh, I don't think you understand how important the view count is. It isn't just a number for feels, or like meaningless "score" in a video game.Frostshock posted... </cite><quote>I'm not watching this, but all these posts seem to miss the point that ad blockers made a change that is preventing the browser from contacting YouTube to record a view.How exactly is that YouTube's problem?</quote>Even saying this was true, why do you think ad blockers had to resort to something like that in order to keep functioning on their site?Surely it wasn't because of anything YT actively did, like making ads more and more pervasive and insufferable over time, alongside waging war against those ad blockers. Oh wait.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 09/18/25 8:32:14 PM #46:	AceMos posted... yes those poor people alot of people make their living off youtube and this is hurting them as i said this hurts small creators far more than large creators How much were small creators making per month anyway, a few dollars? YouTube is incredibly stingy when it comes to revenue. --- If you need the threat of eternal damnation to be a good person, you're just a bad person on a leash. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:986459109] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>yes those poor people alot of people make their living off youtube and this is hurting themas i said this hurts small creators far more than large creators</quote>How much were small creators making per month anyway, a few dollars? YouTube is incredibly stingy when it comes to revenue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rick_alverado 09/18/25 8:40:45 PM #47:	008Zulu posted... How much were small creators making per month anyway, a few dollars? YouTube is incredibly stingy when it comes to revenue. That's why it hurts creators. Outside of really big creators, you don't make much from YouTube itself. But when it comes to sponsorship deals, the companies doing them will be looking at your reach, which includes views, to determine what kind of deals (if any) they are willing to make with you. <cite>rick_alverado posted [p:986459200] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>008Zulu posted... </cite><quote>How much were small creators making per month anyway, a few dollars? YouTube is incredibly stingy when it comes to revenue.</quote>That's why it hurts creators. Outside of really big creators, you don't make much from YouTube itself. But when it comes to sponsorship deals, the companies doing them will be looking at your reach, which includes views, to determine what kind of deals (if any) they are willing to make with you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMogALT 09/18/25 8:51:38 PM #48:	I follow a lot of small YouTube creators (20-50k subs, usually 1-8k views) and their views have all cratered over the last year. Almost all of them have seen a 1/2 to 1/3rd drop in views from just 2 years ago. Not sure if this is the only factor, but it really sucks. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png <cite>ChocoboMogALT posted [p:986459311] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>I follow a lot of small YouTube creators (20-50k subs, usually 1-8k views) and their views have all cratered over the last year. Almost all of them have seen a 1/2 to 1/3rd drop in views from just 2 years ago.Not sure if this is the only factor, but it really sucks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_Gear_Raxis 09/18/25 9:08:10 PM #49:	Oh but uhm, honestly anyone using you tube as their sole source of income is setting themselves up for doom. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. <cite>Metal_Gear_Raxis posted [p:986459482] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Oh but uhm, honestly anyone using you tube as their sole source of income is setting themselves up for doom.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rick_alverado 09/18/25 9:10:23 PM #50:	Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... Oh but uhm, honestly anyone using you tube as their sole source of income is setting themselves up for doom. Yeah, so something like this which affects other sources of income is a problem. <cite>rick_alverado posted [p:986459505] in how youtub... [t:81043158]...</cite> <quote>Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... </cite><quote>Oh but uhm, honestly anyone using you tube as their sole source of income is setting themselves up for doom.</quote>Yeah, so something like this which affects other sources of income is a problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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