Current Events > Red Hood Series Gets Canceled Because of Trans Writer's Remarks on Charlie Kirk

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1. Most of that stuff against Gretchen Felker-Martin is straight up lies. She has a bizarre hate cult. "She triggered an incest survivor" is just a complete bullshit distortion.
2. That this got canceled is absurd for this. A trans person is happy a guy who stoked anti-trans hatred died? You're kidding?

Not really the topic, but what would cause a trans person to have biphobia?

The first post would've been handwaved, unless she said other thing it's probably entirely the "bullets are okay" post

That's not biphobia, that's criticizing baiting and low standards

Personally I dont care. But its interesting how none of the right wing free speech activists are jumping to condom DC. A person is being cancelled because of their opinion.

The Ghost of Yotei dev was also fired. It really shows the high road the left have to continuously be on. The right can say the most heinous things but make light of a nazi's death and out you go. Meanwhile kicking out the heinous things makes you the sensitive snowflake.

These companies aren't really run by leftists, let's be real. Remember DC comics is run by Time Warner

That this got canceled is absurd for this. A trans person is happy a guy who stoked anti-trans hatred died? You're kidding?

Generally speaking, celebrating murder is going to get you canned from a lot of jobs, regardless of who it is that got killed.

How many Republicans lost jobs for mocking Paul Pelosi;s attack or Melissa Hortman's assassination?

Are you saying the Republicans are your standard for what is morally upstanding, justifiable behaviour now? Because that's setting the bar so low you'd need an excavator to get under it.

How about "I'm sick of the hypocrisy where the right gets away with everything they say?"

These companies aren't really run by leftists, let's be real. Remember DC comics is run by Time Warner

Any creative type who personally comes to the attention of a suit in corporate is almost certain to get fired as a result.

That's just one of the many charming facts of life in our endgame capitalist fascist hellscape.

Generally speaking, celebrating murder is going to get you canned from a lot of jobs, regardless of who it is that got killed.

OK. And what does that have to do with someone who isn't on the right being held accountable for celebrating a murder?

Just because the Republicans are hypocritical shit-stains doesn't mean the rest of us should be.

It wasnt celebrating, it was making a light joke.

How well has the taking the high road and decorum been working out?

Are you mad at Newsom for gerrymandering California too?

When you have a history of making incendiary remarks online like praising cops being killed, saying rape and stuff against kids is fine. Agreeing with 9/11 being attacked and all that, yeah you can easily and probably should be fired if youre representing a business that promotes to children, anyone and everyone should be.

Feeling sorry for a bullet that killed someone and saying "Thoughts and prayers, you Nazi b****" is, if not celebrating murder, treating it with a remarkable degree of callousness. Again, those comments would get you fired from most jobs, regardless of who the victim was.

If a comic book author had posted similarly-phrased sentiments and said that they were sorry that a hammer had to touch Paul Pelosi, or had said "Thoughts and prayers, you bitch to Melissa Hortman, do you think they should have gotten to keep their job? Or would that no longer count as a "light joke" in those cases?

Fine, as far as I'm concerned, because the alternative is the entirety of the American population behaving like shit-flinging baboons instead of just the Republican half.

I am OK with enforcing "decorum", as you put it, on those who think the same way as me, because the current state of the Republican party shows what happens when you don't do that. If they had held themselves to a higher standard of personal decorum, Donald Trump wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the White House.

The left has called, oftentimes successfully, for people to be fired or otherwise punished when they mock victims of racial injustice like George Floyd or Trayvon Martin. I support those sorts of actions. Problem is, if the left starts allowing behaviour like Ms. Felker-Martin's to be acceptable so long as the target is a Republican (no matter how odious), we lose the moral grounds to call for those sorts of consequences, because then it's no longer about enforcing universal standards, it's about attacking people on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

I don't mourn Charlie Kirk. I think he was a piece of shit with noxious views. But I also don't think he deserved to be murdered for what he said and did, and I'm not going to celebrate his death. "Don't mock a murder victim whose corpse isn't even cold yet" should not really be a controversial view, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm a bit annoyed that it seems to be getting that way for parts of the American left, which has, up until now, still managed to retain its sanity.

Kind of comparing apples and paint rollers there, aren't you? One is about displaying some basic decency, the other concerns electoral laws and mechanics. Not exactly related topics.

Newsom is doing what he can to try and level the playing field against Republican dogfucking. I 100% support that. I am completely against gerrymandering in general, as all reasonable people should be, but if one side is going to do it with the judiciary's blessing, basic tenants of both fairness and democratic representation stipulate that the other side must do it as well unless and until the political will emerges to ban it.

I swear I read about this getting canceled before Kirk was shot.

Feeling sorry for a bullet that killed someone and saying "Thoughts and prayers, you Nazi bitch" is, if not celebrating murder, treating it with a remarkable degree of callousness. Again, those comments would get you fired from most jobs, regardless of who the victim was.

If a comic book author had posted similarly-phrased sentiments and said that they were sorry that a hammer had to touch Paul Pelosi, or had said "Thoughts and prayers, you bitch" to Melissa Hortman, do you think they should have gotten to keep their job? Or would that no longer count as a "light joke" in those cases?

Fine, as far as I'm concerned, because the alternative is the entirety of the American population behaving like shit-flinging baboons instead of just the Republican half.

I am OK with enforcing "decorum", as you put it, on those who think the same way as me, because the current state of the Republican party shows what happens when you don't do that. If they had held themselves to a higher standard of personal decorum, Donald Trump wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the White House.

The left has called, oftentimes successfully, for people to be fired or otherwise punished when they mock victims of racial injustice like George Floyd or Trayvon Martin. I support those sorts of actions. Problem is, if the left starts allowing behaviour like Ms. Felker-Martin's to be acceptable so long as the target is a Republican (no matter how odious), we lose the moral grounds to call for those sorts of consequences, because then it's no longer about enforcing universal standards, it's about attacking people on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

I don't mourn Charlie Kirk. I think he was a piece of shit with noxious views. But I also don't think he deserved to be murdered for what he said and did, and I'm not going to celebrate his death. "Don't mock a murder victim whose corpse isn't even cold yet" should not really be a controversial view, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm a bit annoyed that it seems to be getting that way for parts of the American left, which has, up until now, still managed to retain its sanity.

OK. And what does that have to do with someone who isn't on the right being held accountable for celebrating a murder?

Just because the Republicans are hypocritical shit-stains doesn't mean the rest of us should be.

Not many kids read comics to be fair. Modern comic readership is like 90% adults

The fact that you're comparing a standard politician to nazi who openly advocates hate to an entire generation shows how horrible the normalization of supremacists have become. This is peak Both Sidesing

You realize you're comparing people who are against racial injustice to people that literally advocate for racial injustice? Kirk was not simply someone with noxious views. He openly advocated for not having empathy to others, that white people were superior, that women were worse than men, and that the LGBT were the cause of moral decay and he specifically targeted the youth to spread his influence to. He contributed significantly to the state of the modern GOP which is why the top level Republicans and Trump himself have been personally honoring him.

Acting like he is equal to victims of racial injustice is legit disgusting and contributes to normalizing his extreme views.

And the exact same thing applies here.

Republican media openly mocks and treats it as a victory when things like Nancy Pelosi and Democrats were targeted

If one thinks the state of things is "fine" and you can pat yourself on the back for "keeping up decorum" while the GOP pushes fascism, the removal of human rights, aiding war crime, and destroying the constitution then one might as well just be a right-winger themselves.

They don't though, do they? Hell, Kirk himself thought that some deaths were a worthy price to pay for the 2nd amendment.

How would the joke work in this context?

It hasn't worked at all, that's the other poster's point. In a war of words, policing only "your side" is unilateral disarmament.

However, I'm also not gonna pretend that I don't think the world is a slightly better place without him in it. I'm gonna be equally happy when Trump bites the bullet.

I'm sorry, but they escalated this and made it everyone's problem. "Publicly celebrated a murder!!!" The goddamn Senator from Utah was yucking it up about the death of Melissa Hortman and her husband. Republicans STILL publicly mock George Floyd and cheer on Chauvin.

It's very obnoxious when the double standards are pointed out, you keep doing this "well actually" thing and ignore the hypocrisy while attempting to strip all context away.

Kirk did not shy away from violence. Not only did he consider the deaths "worth it" to justify the Second Amendment, he stoked hate and violence against minorities. Now some of those minorities are, in fact, happy a man who believed they should be exterminated is no longer among us and the government is weaponizing its resources to punish them for it, as well as panicky private institutions that fear being targeted by the state while right wingers who regularly celebrate violence go unpunished.

This is not some "same thing both sides" nonsense and it is very tiresome you refuse to acknowledge that.

The difference is that I'm advocating a different solution. My view is that the double standard should be eliminating by enforcing that mocking anyone's murder should be a fireable offence. Your view appears to be that the double standard should be eliminating by allowing people to mock murder victims.

Then I think you're misreading what I'm saying.

Is there a double standard about Kirk's death? Yes. Republicans are A-OK with mocking the deaths of people they don't like, but immediately reach for their fainting couches the second someone dares turn the spotlight on one of their own. I'm against that, as are you.

The difference is that I'm advocating a different solution. My view is that the double standard should be eliminating by enforcing that mocking anyone's murder should be a fireable offence. Your view appears to be that the double standard should be eliminating by allowing people to mock murder victims.

I don't think that's a good road to go down.

Again, is the problem here that left wingers should be allowed to mock murder victims and celebrate their killings without consequence? Or is the problem that right wingers in influential positions do so and get away with it?

Me, I think the second one is the problem. If you do too, then why are you advocating for more of it?

Never said it was and I'm not even sure which part of my post you're objecting to with that.