Current Events > Israel - Iran conflicts (second thread)

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Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Because, as much as first-grade teachers down the years have insisted otherwise, it does matter who started it.

Iran: *funds terrorist proxies to launch missiles at Israel for literally decades*

Also Iran: I'm just a little guy, huh? It's my birthday. I'm just a little birthday boy

FFTHEWINNER posted...

Not just on social media. Officers literally hung bread and various delicious foods high next to the barred entrances to these cities so the starving people eating grass in these cities can always see them.

You'll have to forgive me. The unbelievable level of depravity we saw in Syria had so many examples that it's easy to forget some

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Because, as much as first-grade teachers down the years have insisted otherwise, it does matter who started it.

Yes Israel started this most recent conflict between the countries. They love starting stupid conflicts

That doesnt make Iran better or worse. Theyre retaliating to being hit.

Theyre still just as awful as they were yesterday, which is why posts all over the internet acting like theyre being righteous is insane to me

https://x.com/JnoubiSyrian/status/1934361044027097336

The Mossad managed to build and run a weapons factory in Tehran right under the Iranian regime's noses, who didn't have a clue for all this time.

One reason I harp so much on Syria was how utterly infuriating it was for years.

The online left treated this conflict in an utterly and completely shameful manner. They breathlessly retweeted the Grayzone's shameless Assad shilling, smugly bought into the "Axis of Resistance" even as people on this very board decried the rebels as horrific Islamist extremists who were the greater evil to poor Assad. And then shared chemical weapons denial.

Every atrocity was mocked online and derided. Aaeron Mate literally testified at the UN that gassing civilians was a false flag by the rebels. People like Hasan went on social media to laugh about dead Syrian children and call Assad "The Lion of Syria." Ken Klippenstein wrote a chemical weapons denial piece. Tulsi Gabbard was fucking LIONIZED for going to give Assad free propaganda with an unsanctioned trip sponsored by a literal fascist party.

This went on for years. Assadist propaganda permeated those spaces. Now Assad is gone and we are finding what we already knew: he ran one of the most horrific regimes of the 21st century. People are being discovered in prisons who have NO IDEA Bashar's father had passed away. Women in prisons gave birth to children who had never seen the light of day.

And they're still downplaying this shit. They claim to give a shit about human rights, but they just don't care about any abuses that don't involved the US or Israel and can't be blamed on them. It's absolutely shocking to see how many of them have been allowed to quietly forget that.

iran has been doing this for years. We hear smug comments on how they haven't done anything close to what the US and Israel have done, when Iran funded the massacre of entire civilian villages and has spent decades funding terror attacks. For references, the deadliest bombing in Arentina' history was in the 1990s. Iran literally sanctioned Hezbollah to attack Jews anywhere in the world. That's what these people defend and downplay.

LightSnake posted...

One reason I harp so much on Syria was how utterly infuriating it was for years.

The online left treated this conflict in an utterly and completely shameful manner. They breathlessly retweeted the Grayzone's shameless Assad shilling, smugly bought into the "Axis of Resistance" even as people on this very board decried the rebels as horrific Islamist extremists who were the greater evil to poor Assad. And then shared chemical weapons denial.

Every atrocity was mocked online and derided. Aaeron Mate literally testified at the UN that gassing civilians was a false flag by the rebels. People like Hasan went on social media to laugh about dead Syrian children and call Assad "The Lion of Syria." Ken Klippenstein wrote a chemical weapons denial piece. Tulsi Gabbard was fucking LIONIZED for going to give Assad free propaganda with an unsanctioned trip sponsored by a literal fascist party.

This went on for years. Assadist propaganda permeated those spaces. Now Assad is gone and we are finding what we already knew: he ran one of the most horrific regimes of the 21st century. People are being discovered in prisons who have NO IDEA Bashar's father had passed away. Women in prisons gave birth to children who had never seen the light of day.

And they're still downplaying this shit. They claim to give a shit about human rights, but they just don't care about any abuses that don't involved the US or Israel and can't be blamed on them. It's absolutely shocking to see how many of them have been allowed to quietly forget that.

Well said.

I don't even know what happened to 133TToothbrush or whatever, but holy fuck he went all in on Assad for years.

Anyone who claims to be against what Israel's doing, but downplays what Iran has pulled warrant serious scrutiny. "Iran hasn't bombed Syria and Ukraine!" Just...

The absolute fucking audacity. All it would take would be "I didn't know enough about this issue, I'm sorry. I still disagree with Israel escalating the conflict" and that would be fine."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/world/middleeast/argentina-iran-1992-1994-attack.html But yeah, tell me again how unprovoked this is when Iran has been doing this for decades.

https://x.com/AryJeay/status/1934343337634587006

Samurai_Shinjo posted...

https://x.com/AryJeay/status/1934343337634587006

Uh... the wording of that is really weird. Gonna guess mtl maybe? Google says Fashafoyeh is a prison so they must be getting held there not arrested there.

Rey is basically part of Tehran. So they're in the capital of Iran with this stuff?

Based off very early info from multiple yet not really reputable sources on X, there's multiple US military tankers heading eastward across the Atlantic.

24 tankers. What the hell.

We're about to refuel a regime change?

Oh... these tankers are flying the great circle to Tel Aviv, not Helsinki.

LightSnake posted...

The Mossad managed to build and run a weapons factory in Tehran right under the Iranian regime's noses, who didn't have a clue for all this time.

That's insane. Does Iran control it now or was it destroyed?

https://x.com/_Syed_Husain_/status/1934460064292819213

https://x.com/ViralN6663/status/1934459096834687029

I miss tan suits.

I miss the world.

Mentioned on a couple of live update blogs on NZ news sites, including here: https://www.tickaroo.com/e/FZ50S1UBbRPwRjyD

Apparently Israels defence minister has directly said residents of Tehran will pay the price. Not even hiding that theyre targeting civilians anymore.

And as expected, Iran arent refraining from that either.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Because, as much as first-grade teachers down the years have insisted otherwise, it does matter who started it.

Britain it is then!

The projection is truly something else.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4e8bcedf.png

That's...not how a dictatorship works. You can't call them a dicatorship then say the people must suffer for giving consent to the dictator. There is no consent in a dictatorship.

sfcalimari posted...

That's...not how a dictatorship works. You can't call them a dicatorship then say the people must suffer for giving consent to the dictator. There is no consent in a dictatorship.

This has been the excuse for bombing civilians ever since it was decided killing civilians is wrong. "They shouldn't have done X, the government should surrender" etc. It's especially ridiculous for Iran because women have almost no rights there and blaming them for the actions of the government there that actively oppresses them is preposterous.

LightSnake posted...

https://x.com/JnoubiSyrian/status/1934361044027097336

The Mossad managed to build and run a weapons factory in Tehran right under the Iranian regime's noses, who didn't have a clue for all this time.

I feel like Israel definately have US intelligence backing them up.

Either that or Israel has the greatest intelligence network on the planet and no one noticed/

Humble_Novice posted...

The projection is truly something else.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4e8bcedf.png

Seems like the first paragraph directly contradicts the 2nd paragraph.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/67-people-hospitalized-after-4-iranian-missiles-impact-in-central-israel/

"Magen David Adom says it has taken 67 people to hospitals from four ballistic missile impact sites in central Israel.

They include a woman in her 30s in serious condition, six moderately wounded, and 60 lightly hurt or suffering acute anxiety, MDA says.

At least three people were also killed by the missile impacts."

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1934574790179754306

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/15/they-just-see-you-as-an-arab-israels-palestinian-citizens-given-cursory-protection-from-attack

Great article, highly recommended reading.

They just see you as an Arab: Israels Palestinian citizens given cursory protection from attack

Deaths of four family members sheltering in supposed safe rooms in Tamra highlight racial inequality of Israels defence of its citizens

When an Iranian missile bound for the industrial port of Haifa dropped out of the sky on the town of Tamra on Saturday night, it fell on Israels most vulnerable, and in one devastating flash, lit up the countrys deepest divide.

The missile demolished a three-storey stone house and killed four members of the same family: Manar Khatib, and her two daughters Shada, a university student, and Hala, a 13-year-old schoolgirl as well as Manars sister-in-law, Manal.

It was a solid house built in an old Arab style and it had two safe rooms, one on each floor. When they heard the air raid sirens Manar and her daughters ran to the one on the second floor as they had practised, but the reinforced concrete did not protect them. They were blown apart and the floor under them fell on the safe room directly below, crushing Manal.

The blast blew the core out of the building, and sent the neighbours flying. About 40 people were injured, though none of the wounds were life-threatening.

The explosion was so loud I can still hear it, said Azmeh Kiwan, a 50-year-old homeowner who lived directly opposite.

When he opened his eyes, the whole district was in total darkness. It was only when the towns rescue workers came with their bright lights that the neighbours could see the road was full of rubble, and it was only when the sun rose that they saw body parts scattered on their terraces and roofs.

Kheir Abu-Elhija, a local first responder, who was one of the first on the scene, said he had worked 20 years as a nurse and never seen anything like it.

The second floor safe room came right down on the first floor safe room and crushed everything, he said. The only way we could find Manals remains was by a trail of blood, he said.

The war between Israel and Iran involves powerful modern weapons that can turn a human body into vapour and scraps in an instant. Israel also has modern air defences which have managed thus far to intercept most of the incoming Iranian missiles. And for three-quarters of the country there are underground bunkers, a virtual guarantee of survival.

But the Khatib family did not have a bunker. They were Palestinian citizens of Israel, like the rest of the 37,000 population of this old hillside town in the Lower Galilee. And in common with most Palestinian-majority towns, Tamra does not have a single underground shelter. Like much else in Israel, there is nothing equal about the way death comes from the sky.

The Israeli government, since the creation of the state, didnt invest in one public shelter for the Arab part of society, Tamras mayor, Mussa Abu Rumi, said. The reinforced safe rooms in new-build houses are an inferior alternative, as the fate of the Khatibs showed, and Abu Rumi said only 40% of Tamra residents even have those.

I would like to think that the government, since missiles have become part of warfare, will start a multi-dimensional programme to invest in the Arab community, and building shelters would be part of that, the mayor said.

Asked if he thought the current hard-right coalition would pursue such a programme, he shook his head and admitted there was no hope.

While missile strike sites in Tel Aviv, Rishon ReZion and Bat Yam have been flooded with rescue workers, home front troops, police and volunteers, most of the clear-up in Tamra was done by neighbours and a handful of municipal workers.

Taking a water break on a shaded terrace, Azmeh Kiwan and his elder brother Bassam, who live directly across from the Khatib house, made clear in an interview they identified themselves as Israeli Arabs. Tamra is an ancient Arab village, they pointed out.

I am from here. I belong to this place and I will die here, Azmeh said. The brothers also declared themselves fully behind the war against Iran, a country they described as wellhead of terrorism.

It was only afterwards, when the tape recorder was off, that another neighbour came forward to vent his anger, which he claimed was shared by all of Tamra, at a video that had circulated since last night.

It was filmed from a nearby Jewish town, and showed missiles and Israeli interceptors streaking across the black sky, but when a missile falls short and slams into Tamra, you can hear people around the camera rejoicing.

To the village! To the village! one man cries, and then several womens voices join in, someone starts clapping and together they sing a verse that has become a Jewish extremist anthem. It consists of one line: May your village burn sung over and over again.

Please write about this, the neighbour said. If I say anything I will have 20 police cars at my house.

Abu Rumi said he knows where the video was made, and has informed the Israeli government and the police, but has little expectation of anyone being brought to justice.

We are trying to engage with Israeli society all the time, the mayor said. What we find is hatred, and people who dont see you as a legitimate human being in this place.

He said the centre in Israeli politics had collapsed, and with it the few protections Palestinian citizens of Israel could count on.

The political power that the settler parties have in government is creating this division, he said. They just see you as an Arab no matter where you are from.

Ayman Odeh, a member of the Knesset who is a personal friend of the Khatib family, said: There is a connection between the politics of this government and those who are celebrating this terrible situation.

Odeh argued that war with Iran is just the latest symptom of an untreated wound at the heart of the Middle East.

It is all connected to the Palestinian issue, and as long as we do not resolve the Palestinian issue we will keep going in circles for ever, he said. He added that it was also the outcome of Benjamin Netanyahus need for conflict to stay in office.

Netanyahu is using this war for political reasons, Odeh said. Hes putting everyone in danger in the region with this war, and the war in Gaza. This is the most fascist and dangerous government that we ever had, and it is a danger to everyone.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/6/16/german-court-convicts-syrian-doctor-of-crimes-against-humanity

Just saw this. Fresh news from today. Not directly related but wanted to post it to show an example of what Iran's puppet Assad was doing to the Syrian people.

Some quotes:

"German court convicts Syrian doctor of crimes against humanity
Life sentence handed to Alaa Mousa highlights the brutality of Assads dictatorial, unjust regime."

Witnesses described numerous acts of severe cruelty, including Mousa pouring flammable liquid on a prisoners wounds before setting them alight and kicking the man in the face, shattering his teeth.

One former prisoner described the Damascus hospital where he was held as a slaughterhouse.

Odeh, a party leader, really captures the essence of Netanyahu's behavior. The Knesset was a day from collapse the night before this war. Bibi was so concerned about losing Agudat and Knesset dissolving because he knows the opposition and likely Bennett emerges the next ruling coalition.

Anyone here think Israel will stage a false flag operation to drag the US into this conflict (not that they even need to, since most US politicians are already deep in Israel's pocket)?

False flag? The many ways US could be dragged into Israels attack
The United States should be wary of a false flag attack by Israel on US interests in order to draw it into the fight against Iran, warns Daniel Levy, a former Israeli negotiator.

Samurai_Shinjo posted...

Anyone here think Israel will stage a false flag operation to drag the US into this conflict (not that they even need to, since most US politicians are already deep in Israel's pocket)?

They always do and like a well trained dog the U.S will come when called by Israel.

Another article, this time by Reuters, on this monster:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/german-court-deliver-landmark-verdict-syrian-doctor-accused-torture-2025-06-16/

"Judges found that the doctor caused "considerable physical suffering" as a result of the torture inflicted on his victims, which included serious beatings, mistreating wounds and inflicting serious injury to the genitals of two prisoners, one of whom was a teenage boy.
Two patients died after he gave them lethal medication, the court statement said"

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FFTHEWINNER posted...

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/6/16/german-court-convicts-syrian-doctor-of-crimes-against-humanity

Just saw this. Fresh news from today. Not directly related but wanted to post it to show an example of what Iran's puppet Assad was doing to the Syrian people.

Some quotes:

"German court convicts Syrian doctor of crimes against humanity
Life sentence handed to Alaa Mousa highlights the brutality of Assads dictatorial, unjust regime."

Witnesses described numerous acts of severe cruelty, including Mousa pouring flammable liquid on a prisoners wounds before setting them alight and kicking the man in the face, shattering his teeth.

One former prisoner described the Damascus hospital where he was held as a slaughterhouse.

Samurai_Shinjo posted...

Anyone here think Israel will stage a false flag operation to drag the US into this conflict (not that they even need to, since most US politicians are already deep in Israel's pocket)?

they don't need to all they got to do is get in deep enough that US has to bail them out and non of the two party will block the US even going boots on the ground for them

A live Iranian news presentation was interrupted by an Israeli strike

https://bsky.app/profile/bnonews.com/post/3lrqbgc7td22o

CRON posted...

A live Iranian news presentation was interrupted by an Israeli strike

https://bsky.app/profile/bnonews.com/post/3lrqbgc7td22o

I'm surprised she didn't blink at all.

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1934375883332046933

Everyone is finding out who are real America First/MAGA and who were fake and just said it bc it was popular.

Unfortunately the list of fakes are becoming quite long and exposed themselves quickly.

Anyone slobbering for the U.S. to become fully involved in the Israel/Iran war is not America First/MAGA.

Wishing for murder of innocent people is disgusting.

We are sick and tired of foreign wars. All of them.

And this one will quickly engulf the Middle East, BRICS, and NATO as countries are required to take a side.

Real America First/MAGA wants world peace for all people and doesnt want our military killed and forever injured physically and mentally.

We love our U.S. military and love them helping to secure our borders and our cities for the defense of OUR PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY.

They are our friends, spouses, cousins, nieces, nephews, sisters, brothers, sons, and daughters.

We have spent TRILLIONS in the Middle East and we have dealt with the aftermath of death, blown apart bodies, never ending suicides, and disabling PTSD.

All because they told us propaganda as to why we must sacrifice our own to defend some other countrys borders and some other countrys borders.

I dont want to see Israel bombed or Iran bombed or Gaza bombed.

I dont want to see Ukraine bombed or Russia bombed.

And we do NOT want to be involved or required to pay for ANY OF IT!!!

We are $36+ TRILLION in debt and have mountains of our own problems.

We have giant planks sticking out of our own eyes while we complain about splinters in others eyes.

Every country involved and all over the world can be happy, successful, and rich if we all work together and seek peace and prosperity.

Taking this position is NOT antisemitic.

Its rational, sane, and loving toward all people.

Taking this position of peace and prosperity for all is not isolationism, it leads to GREAT trade deals and GREAT economies that help ALL PEOPLE.

Its what many Americans voted for in 2024.

America First!
America First!!
America First!!!

That is how we Make America Great Again!!!!!

gikos posted...

they don't need to all they got to do is get in deep enough that US has to bail them out and non of the two party will block the US even going boots on the ground for them

They have to actually. Otherwise Without the publics support itll just be another Vietnam scenario.

Where negative opinion, criticism and backlash will inevitably lose them the war. And however bad it was then will be 10x worse now as US citizens will be expected to die for a country they dont care about, for a war Israel started.

And aside from being completely unprepared for war the economic issues itll cause will be disastrous.

MTG making more sense then a lot of people... if things take a radical turn I'm not looking forward to seeing her become one of the "voices of reason"

LSGW_Zephyra posted...

MTG making more sense then a lot of people... if things take a radical turn I'm not looking forward to seeing her become one of the "voices of reason"

While shes is right about Israel lately and now Iran, the problem is she is coming at it from a antisemitic & anti-Muslim POV

JoCrazy posted...

While shes is right about Israel lately and now Iran, the problem is she is coming at it from a antisemitic & anti-Muslim POV

Very much this.

America abandons Israel and the Middle East will eat it up alive. That's a lot of dead Jews she's looking forward to seeing.

CRON posted...

A live Iranian news presentation was interrupted by an Israeli strike

https://bsky.app/profile/bnonews.com/post/3lrqbgc7td22o

Reuters talking about it:
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/israel-iran-battle-escalates-will-be-high-agenda-world-leaders-meet-2025-06-16/

"An Israeli strike hit Iran's state broadcaster on Monday as Iran called on U.S. President Donald Trump to force a ceasefire in the four-day-old aerial war, while Israel's prime minister said his country was on the "path to victory"."

My aunt in Tehran sent me this pic that's near her house:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/55bede0c.jpg

I'm glad she still has internet so we know she's OK for now.

DUKLegend posted...

Very much this.

America abandons Israel and the Middle East will eat it up alive. That's a lot of dead Jews she's looking forward to seeing.

Im willing to give credit where credit is due with some republicans on specific issues. There are a few that are actually anti-war/corruption where they find themselves voting or agreeing with people like Bernie Sanders & such.

Not doing that with MTG, because shes only antiwar from a White Christian Nationalist viewpoint, not because its the right thing.

Even if we both technically agree on Israel being awful, shes not on my side.

https://x.com/abc/status/1934660341943636019?s=46

Iran isnt going bomb NYC ffs. What a lunatic.

Not from Iran but a atk of some kind could happen likely. Probably in the next few days even.

So If youre in or near a major city like NY Id be on super high alert if I were you. Tell your friends and family to avoid any and all public events, tall buildings and or high traffic areas of any kind.

JoCrazy posted...

https://x.com/abc/status/1934660341943636019?s=46

He used this same logic to justify ethnically cleansing Gaza.

Prismsblade posted...

Not from Iran but a atk of some kind could happen likely. Probably in the next few days even.

So If youre in or near a major city like NY Id be on super high alert if I were you. Tell your friends and family to avoid any and all public events, tall buildings and or high traffic areas of any kind.

An attack could happen from anyone literally anywhere at anytime. Always be cautious, but you cant avoid life because a hypothetical attack may occur at some time in the future

Prismsblade posted...

Not from Iran but a atk of some kind could happen likely. Probably in the next few days even.

So If youre in or near a major city like NY Id be on super high alert if I were you. Tell your friends and family to avoid any and all public events, tall buildings and or high traffic areas of any kind.

Any evidence of this? Seems very unlikely any terrorist attack directed by Iran will happen in America. It would essentially be the Iranian government signing its death warrant due to the response from America.

YellowSUV posted...

Any evidence of this? Seems very unlikely any terrorist attack directed by Iran will happen in America. It would essentially be the Iranian government signing its death warrant due to the response from America.

Iran has directed responses on US bases and embassies, but not the mainland.

Lol Iran isn't going to attack NY...

...however, there is one country that's likely to stage that kind of horrific attack to drag us into their conflict.

Samurai_Shinjo posted...

Lol Iran isn't going to attack NY...

...however, there is one country that's likely to stage that kind of horrific attack to drag us into their conflict.

If you think Israel is going to bomb NYC, you should stop posting and seek help.