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Smashingpmkns 05/20/25 3:45:17 PM #1: |
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/20/us/politics/democrats-influencers-trump.html Seems like a waste of money and a losing strategy but some very white podcast nerd will get a bag from this at least. --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Resident_Hill 05/20/25 4:31:59 PM #2: |
They have Hasan and he's a pile of rotting shit. --- Si vis pacem, para bellum ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 05/20/25 4:32:37 PM #3: |
Resident_Hill posted... They have Hasan and he's a pile of rotting shit. Who's "they?" Hasan hates Democrats more than he hates Republicans. Almost as much as he hates Jews --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HighSeraph 05/20/25 4:33:12 PM #4: |
They need more billionaires first. --- There are wounds that never show on the body that are deeper and more hurtful than anything that bleeds. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CRON 05/20/25 4:34:45 PM #5: |
It's common knowledge that establishment Democrats have no concept of optics so I can't see this yielding any positive results for them. They're either going to hitch their wagon to a literal-who Millennial dork or they're gonna go down the industry plant path and we're going to see a complete NPC-tier nobody come out of the woodwork. --- Thanks for reading! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 05/20/25 4:39:26 PM #6: |
the very idea makes 0 sense what makes Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan is he will have anyone on his podcast even if Hitler rose from the grave tomorrow Joe would still have them on ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LoZguy709 05/20/25 4:42:17 PM #7: |
CRON posted... It's common knowledge that establishment Democrats have no concept of optics so I can't see this yielding any positive results for them. They're either going to hitch their wagon to a literal-who Millennial dork or they're gonna go down the industry plant path and we're going to see a complete NPC-tier nobody come out of the woodwork. Well it's either get a somebody or prop up a nobody. I guess the problem is that implementing a comedic figure from the top down is pretty much always going to be cringier than grassroots comedy. Jon Stewart wasn't in a much different position than Joe Rogan 20 years ago in terms of cultural influence. If you want to be crude, you have a better chance catering to a right-wing audience currently. Thing is, the party can't do much anything about this. It's a cultural thing. As long as the left continues to consist of hypersensitive people that burn bridges over the dumbest semantics, Democrats will be the party of goody-goody two shoes (and no one wants moderately tempered do-gooders in politics, now do we?) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MC_BatCommander 05/20/25 4:43:24 PM #8: |
WingsOfGood posted... the very idea makes 0 sense He also makes no attempts to challenge blatant lies and misinformation. I don't want a liberal version of Joe Rogan, his special brand of stupidity is dumbing down millions. --- The Legend is True! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 05/20/25 4:44:53 PM #9: |
They're going to give all of their money to Newsom for his podcast. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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apocalyptic_4 05/20/25 4:53:23 PM #11: |
Terrible idea and a waste of money. This just tells everyone the democrats are completely out of touch with their base. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turbam 05/20/25 5:25:18 PM #12: |
I'll do it --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! https://imgur.com/p9Xvjvs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 05/20/25 5:29:31 PM #13: |
Call Her Daddy podcast hosts gonna have John Fetterman on the sybian trying to get that contract --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Complete_Idi0t 05/20/25 5:31:30 PM #14: |
Ummm hellooooooooo. Bill O'Reilly already exists ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkChozoGhost 05/20/25 5:32:33 PM #15: |
They'll eventually bring their base to the right because there's more money in that. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fenrir_Howls 05/20/25 5:36:08 PM #16: |
Weird, remember CE being all in on this before. What changed? --- Loki's Good Boy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 05/20/25 5:38:02 PM #17: |
The thing is that Joe Rogan isn't the right wing Joe Rogan. He has right wing views, but what lends credibility to those views among his listeners and viewers is that he doesn't treat his show as a political project. He has guests or conversations that they're interested in and then happens to spout right wing ideas along the way. Any effort by the Democratic Party to push a podcaster or media figure will result in that figure not being trusted by the sorts of people who take Rogan seriously. It will undermine its very aims --- Please don't be weird in my topics ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Westernwolf4 05/20/25 5:39:44 PM #18: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] This. I am actually surprised (respectfully) at the negative reaction to this so far in the thread. This may not be the way to do it, but Democrats absolutely have to investigate new ways to get our message out. Republicans winning the online and podcast spaces is a big reason we lost. The fact that Democrats are recognizing that town halls on network TV arent going to cut it is a good thing. MAGA only exists because while Fox and Rush were being propaganda machines for decades, the Democrats only put up token resistance (Air America Radio) and otherwise just threw up its hands and developed no real apparatus of its own. Of course we dont want a Dem. Joe Rogan or to become like the GOP. But we do want new ways for progressive messaging to be in these spaces. We will lose every time if we dont find new ways to reach the electorate. Democrats should be exploring every reasonable option to do that. --- An opinion does not turn into a fact simply because the person holding it feels strongly about it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 05/20/25 5:51:18 PM #20: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Yeah. the big issue is Rogan also has a long history of building up his audience and he was a famous game show host/commentator before that --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VRX3000 05/20/25 5:54:21 PM #22: |
Medias touch already outdoes Rohans numbers and they are blatantly one-sided. And they arent really leftist. Theyre just republicans against trump/moderates. So I think they dont need to do much searching. They already have them. --- ~ my improv troupe ~ www.forgetfulsquirrels.com ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 05/20/25 5:54:27 PM #23: |
LightSnake posted... Yeah. the big issue is Rogan also has a long history of building up his audience and he was a famous game show host/commentator before thatWhich is also the dynamic that has buoyed Trump. Both have credibility from being on TV and from being genuinely willing to criticize members of "their side". --- Please don't be weird in my topics ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivynn 05/20/25 5:55:10 PM #24: |
Smashingpmkns posted... Seems like a waste of money and a losing strategy The Democrat way! --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 05/20/25 5:56:47 PM #25: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] VRX3000 posted... Medias touch already outdoes Rohans numbers and they are blatantly one-sided. And they arent really leftist. Theyre just republicans against trump/moderates. So I think they dont need to do much searching. They already have them. My impression of this show is that it's very much geared towards people who are already interested and invested in politics. There's certainly a place for that, but it's not really doing what Rogan does, which is reaching a less politically engaged audience. --- Please don't be weird in my topics ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Southernfatman 05/20/25 5:59:35 PM #26: |
The idea of it and making their own media outlet isn't bad at all, but I don't trust them to do it right. I expect them to pick some center right hack that says Democrats should be more like Republicans or something like that. --- Fix your hearts or die. When I sin I sin real good. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Starks 05/20/25 6:02:28 PM #27: |
You'd probably need the next stoner version of Jon Stewart --- A Rod from God for the Gingarou! Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 05/20/25 6:04:44 PM #29: |
There's a real rubber hits the road moment for any project like this. What happens if they criticize a prominent Democratic elected official? Say, suggesting they should be primaried? Will the decision-makers in the party still be willing to throw money at this project? --- Have you tried thinking rationally? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Silver_Ogre 05/20/25 6:05:00 PM #30: |
Fenrir_Howls posted... Weird, remember CE being all in on this before. What changed?Probably because this is astroturfing. If a liberal is going to fill a similar niche to Joe Rogan, it has to happen organically. A bunch of out-of-touch rich people throwing money at an idea to make it real will just reek of desperation. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 05/20/25 6:07:28 PM #31: |
I'm all on board with the Democratic Party funding its own media, and I've suggested that in the past. It's the fixation on finding a Rogan-like figure where I think these people miss the point. The party can't be Joe Rogan. But they could be Fox News, and that's just as important. --- Please don't be weird in my topics ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivynn 05/20/25 6:14:29 PM #32: |
I still find it strange how the left just lost the internet. I remember in 08, it was talked about how much the Obama campaign benefitted from being so tech- and internet-savvy. Silicon Valley was stereotyped as being very left-leaning. The right was seen as being a bunch of old dinosaurs who didn't understand technology. How the hell did everything get flipped around? --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Resident_Hill 05/20/25 6:15:05 PM #33: |
The closest that i can think of that would maybe work, is if the Dems could get someone like Asmongold who has a decent following already and leans progressive. Someone above mentioned Newsome, and sorry he is not popular at all outside of his sphere. He is the Dem Ron DeSantis. --- Si vis pacem, para bellum ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 05/20/25 6:18:41 PM #34: |
Ivynn posted... Silicon Valley was stereotyped as being very left-leaning.Then they got a lot of money and, crucially, a lot of employees who they did not want having power. Every Silicon Valley tech genius would commit trans genocide twice to prevent a union from forming at their company. --- Please don't be weird in my topics ... Copied to Clipboard!
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012yArthur0 05/20/25 6:25:28 PM #35: |
Silver_Ogre posted... Probably because this is astroturfing. If a liberal is going to fill a similar niche to Joe Rogan, it has to happen organically. A bunch of out-of-touch rich people throwing money at an idea to make it real will just reek of desperation.A leftwing streamer that is openly leftist and actually has a big male base is Shoe0nHead. But will Democrats or the leftist accept her? Probably not. --- Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained. ~~ Gilgamesh ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Starks 05/20/25 6:25:53 PM #36: |
Any liberal or registered Democrat with a popular enough podcast turns out to be either extremely racist, extremely ignorant, or both. We're supposed to cultivate that kind of nihilism or denialism? --- A Rod from God for the Gingarou! Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yazarogi 05/20/25 6:34:19 PM #37: |
*ctrl+F, robert evans, no matches* The fuck? Though, I guess Evans himself probably wouldn't be able to handle the gig after a long period of time. --- "There will be nothing to show that we were ever here... but stardust." - Pinbacker ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ellis123 05/20/25 6:40:22 PM #38: |
Ivynn posted... I still find it strange how the left just lost the internet. I remember in 08, it was talked about how much the Obama campaign benefitted from being so tech- and internet-savvy. Silicon Valley was stereotyped as being very left-leaning. The right was seen as being a bunch of old dinosaurs who didn't understand technology.It's because "left leaning" and "leftist" have utterly nothing to do with each other. Hence why I have always stuck with the philosophy that left versus right wing refers to something that changes based on the country, but left versus right is not. Silicon Valley is left wing, but they are mid-right when it comes to any and all politics. Thus when you have a person who is on the political left they will have utterly nothing in common with them on essentially anything relating to policy. So when it comes time to vote these highly wealthy individuals will vote for whatever helps their bottom line, and it just so happens that Republicans want to screw over poor people in favor of the rich so they just go there. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrResetti 05/20/25 6:42:24 PM #39: |
Im out of town and ate at a bar that had Fox News on and they are seriously discussing that Biden only now finding out he has prostate cancer is "a stunt" and "inconceivable" because he mustve had his prostate constantly checked for years now because he was president. WHO FUCKING CARES WHYYYHYGHYHEJEKAKAN ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Voidgolem 05/20/25 6:43:18 PM #40: |
Ivynn posted... I still find it strange how the left just lost the internet. I remember in 08, it was talked about how much the Obama campaign benefitted from being so tech- and internet-savvy. Silicon Valley was stereotyped as being very left-leaning. The right was seen as being a bunch of old dinosaurs who didn't understand technology. interest rates went up and big tech lip service of "hey it's okay to be [minority group]" doesn't pay rent or return on venture-capital It is very funny to sit through the mandatory quarterly diversity/ethics training knowing full well the people at the top of the ladder don't care when it comes down to the bottom line (and the genie is out of the bottle now: reducing interest rates, like the right wing wants, will not de-shittify business practices now that they've had a taste for having More Money Than God) --- Why not go all in? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 05/20/25 6:44:06 PM #41: |
MrResetti posted... because he mustve had his prostate constantly checked for years --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hornswoggled 05/20/25 6:52:16 PM #42: |
How do Democrats trot out the "Liberal Joe Rogan" without everybody just going "Ha ha, look at the industry plant!"? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 05/20/25 6:53:22 PM #43: |
Hornswoggled posted... How do Democrats trot out the "Liberal Joe Rogan" without everybody just going "Ha ha, look at the industry plant!"?They don't. They can't. It's an unsolvable problem and they should focus their energy and resources on solvable ones. --- Please don't be weird in my topics ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 05/20/25 7:03:22 PM #44: |
Antifar posted... They don't. They can't. It's an unsolvable problem and they should focus their energy and resources on solvable ones. and just wait and hope that idiot drug addict solves the problem himself soon --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blo 05/20/25 7:05:03 PM #45: |
Hot take here: it's Bill Burr. He just doesn't do three hours a day like Rogan does. --- *insert sig here* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Southernfatman 05/20/25 7:06:56 PM #46: |
Blo posted... Hot take here: it's Bill Burr. He just doesn't do three hours a day like Rogan does. Democrats wouldn't like his views on CEOs and the rich. --- Fix your hearts or die. When I sin I sin real good. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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012yArthur0 05/20/25 7:07:12 PM #47: |
Hornswoggled posted... How do Democrats trot out the "Liberal Joe Rogan" without everybody just going "Ha ha, look at the industry plant!"?Letting it be grassroots. There's no other way. --- Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained. ~~ Gilgamesh ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightHawKnight 05/20/25 7:13:57 PM #48: |
Antifar posted... I'm all on board with the Democratic Party funding its own media, and I've suggested that in the past. It's the fixation on finding a Rogan-like figure where I think these people miss the point. Is that even possible? The whole point of fox is that it leverages low information voters and gets them angry. The ones that dont eat that up wont fall for it and the ones that do already fall for fox. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Evening_Dragon 05/20/25 7:16:58 PM #49: |
Just... Just use Joe Rogan. He'll take anyone. He's already there. Preaching to the choir won't matter, but his audience is going to include a lot of undecideds. --- And which of you by worrying can add a single hour to your span of life? It's Guide ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 05/20/25 7:18:09 PM #50: |
Evening_Dragon posted... Just... Just use Joe Rogan. He'll take anyone. He's already there. Preaching to the choir won't matter, but his audience is going to include a lot of undecideds. no, he won't "take anyone." We already know this! When Harris's people were trying to arrange something with him, he kept shifting the goalposts to prevent it. He wouldn't allow Zelenskyy on. The man is a Trumper, utterly and completely. He's also openly platforming holocaust deniers now. Fuck this "ohhh, just use Joe Rogan." --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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