Current Events > Democrats tossing money to find liberal Joe Rogan

(+) Yeah! (+)

Or just go on the Rogan show

LightSnake posted...

no, he won't "take anyone." We already know this! When Harris's people were trying to arrange something with him, he kept shifting the goalposts to prevent it. He wouldn't allow Zelenskyy on. The man is a Trumper, utterly and completely.

He's also openly platforming holocaust deniers now. Fuck this "ohhh, just use Joe Rogan."

I know he thinks Zelenskyy is "trying to start ww3", but I've never read anything about goalposts being shifted. Scheduling conflicts, subject negotiations, the logistics of traveling to Texas, one of Harris's officials went on the record saying it was canceled for fear of progressive backlash.
https://www.ft.com/content/9292db59-8291-4507-8d86-f8d4788da467

If he won't take anyone, the point is moot. But if he will, he's gonna have better reach than literally anyone else.

Evening_Dragon posted...

I know he thinks Zelenskyy is "trying to start ww3",

Wut

I know Rogan is dumb.

But that dumb?

Ivynn posted...

Wut

I know Rogan is dumb.

But that dumb?

It's not an uncommon belief among the older crowd, even those who would otherwise align liberal. Y'all don't realize that so many people just don't know how to filter bullshit from their news feeds.

LightSnake posted...

no, he won't "take anyone." We already know this! When Harris's people were trying to arrange something with him, he kept shifting the goalposts to prevent it. He wouldn't allow Zelenskyy on. The man is a Trumper, utterly and completely.

He's also openly platforming holocaust deniers now. Fuck this "ohhh, just use Joe Rogan."

Supposedly Trump ended up free at the same time as Harris and Rogan gave Trump priority; he'd have interviewed Harris at another time but she simply wasn't free later.

But yeah that underlines the point, regardless of the JRE being an open ground Rogan himself very clearly is right-leaning and prefers the alt-right.

Fenrir_Howls posted...

Weird, remember CE being all in on this before. What changed?

Investing in left wing new media? Great idea. Specifically looking for left wing Joe Rogan? Likely a waste. Dems need to do what Republicans did, broad investment, specific personalities will come out of that over time.

Evening_Dragon posted...

It's not an uncommon belief among the older crowd, even those who would otherwise align liberal. Y'all don't realize that so many people just don't know how to filter bullshit from their news feeds.

Oh gee I wonder who might be to blame for some of that.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kamala-harris-joe-rogan-beyonce-texas-rally-rcna189453

Rogan is simply a right wing hack. And the more people realize this instead of this cool guy who has an open mind, the better.
and like come on, the dude was clearly not keen on Harris.

SecretBase posted...

Supposedly Trump ended up free at the same time as Harris and Rogan gave Trump priority; he'd have interviewed Harris at another time but she simply wasn't free later.

But yeah that underlines the point, regardless of the JRE being an open ground Rogan himself very clearly is right-leaning and prefers the alt-right.

rogan kept shifting the goalposts on Harris. I know you are smarter than this

LightSnake posted...

Oh gee I wonder who might be to blame for some of that.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kamala-harris-joe-rogan-beyonce-texas-rally-rcna189453

Rogan is simply a right wing hack. And the more people realize this instead of this cool guy who has an open mind, the better.
and like come on, the dude was clearly not keen on Harris.

Wrong post quoted but I get you. First: that link is corroborating everything I said. Second: Rogan is scum, I'm not arguing otherwise, but you're arguing at me about feels when I'm talking utility.

Do you think people realizing he's not "cool" is going to outpace his social media signal? No, of course not. But getting a liberal message through his signal has potential.

Ivynn posted...

Wut

I know Rogan is dumb.

But that dumb?

That was Rogan's response to Ukraine considering firing American missiles into Russia. Even though it'd have been fair reciprocation he felt that could potentially spark direct conflict between Russia and America itself.

Evening_Dragon posted...

Wrong post quoted but I get you. First: that link is corroborating everything I said. Second: Rogan is scum, I'm not arguing otherwise, but you're arguing at me about feels when I'm talking utility.

Do you think people realizing he's not "cool" is going to outpace his social media signal? No, of course not. But getting a liberal message through his signal has potential.

And I'm saying that's not going to happen because he doesn't want to do that.

LightSnake posted...

And I'm saying that's not going to happen because he doesn't want to do that.

Keep trying.
Go on the other podcasts

Waste of money

Rogans success happened organically, any attempt to force or buy your way into influence like Joes will obviously fail

Dems just cant comprehend how out of touch they are

012yArthur0 posted...

A leftwing streamer that is openly leftist and actually has a big male base is Shoe0nHead.

But will Democrats or the leftist accept her? Probably not.

She is a leftist? I see asmongold watching her all the time and she comes off as very right wing to me.

Tora_Sami posted...

She is a leftist? I see asmongold watching her all the time and she comes off as very right wing to me.

She openly favors Bernie Sanders, but she often comments about the gender war and was one of the streamers that constantly kept saying that the Dems was fucking up with the male/white male voterbase.

She leans left but she also openly criticizes the Democrats, while also asking for the Dems to embrace more populism otherwise they would keep losing, which I don't think she is wrong on this regard.

She is the best streamer to bring male voters and moderates in, IMO.

Tora_Sami posted...

She is a leftist? I see asmongold watching her all the time and she comes off as very right wing to me.

She's right-wing enough to have her own page:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shoe0nHead

012yArthur0 posted...

She openly favors Bernie Sanders, but she often comments about the gender war and was one of the streamers that constantly kept saying that the Dems was fucking up with the male/white male voterbase.

She leans left but she also openly criticizes the Democrats, while also asking for the Dems to embrace more populism otherwise they would keep losing, which I don't think she is wrong on this regard.

She is the best streamer to bring male voters and moderates in, IMO.

ellis123 posted...

She's right-wing enough to have her own page:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shoe0nHead

Hmmmm while she supports Bernie she also wants the Russian agent tulsi gabbard as his VP. This page just confirms my view that she is alt-right, trying to pretend to be bipartial. Just like Joe Rogan. So in a way, I can she her becoming the new Joe Rogan, just not for the left.

The Maher special

They're tackling it wrong. They need to build an ecosystem not only elevating persons of interest. We have plenty of those, not just Hasan. Joe Rogan was originally popular with all sides until he fell into the right wing trap. He ultimately became part of the right wing ecosystem that was already set up. Dems/Left don't have anything like that.

SecretBase posted...

Supposedly Trump ended up free at the same time as Harris and Rogan gave Trump priority; he'd have interviewed Harris at another time but she simply wasn't free later.

And you believed that bullshit?

emblem-man posted...

Or just go on the Rogan show

This social media isn't complicated if you have good content and choose to lean left politically you should have a base large enough to get you on a popular pod cast.

The issue is the left dosnt have any popular streamers or spokesman that aren't politicians and the last election really exposed that.

Throwing money at celebrities like oprah and Megan the stallion was a waste of tax payer money last election and people here think doing that with streamers and influencers is a good idea? The democratic party has completely lost touch with how to reach voters after 2016 let's be real here.

I thought it was against TOS to call Hasan a lowlife scumbag.

Tora_Sami posted...

She is a leftist? I see asmongold watching her all the time and she comes off as very right wing to me.

She's an enlightened centrist grifter at best, not sure why that user is pretending she's a leftist, she's very much not.

apocalyptic_4 posted...

This social media isn't complicated if you have good content and choose to lean left politically you should have a base large enough to get you on a popular pod cast.

The issue is the left dosnt have any popular streamers or spokesman that aren't politicians and the last election really exposed that.

Throwing money at celebrities like oprah and Megan the stallion was a waste of tax payer money last election and people here think doing that with streamers and influencers is a good idea? The democratic party has completely lost touch with how to reach voters after 2016 let's be real here.

Yep. Just get your best speakers like Bernie, AOC, Pete Buttigieg out doing the podcast circuit and don't be fucking scared to make a flub. Just be out there and show authenticity

LonelyStoner posted...

I thought it was against TOS to call Hasan a lowlife scumbag.

CE has had multiple polls where it was Hasan was viewed worse than Neo-Nazis. Pretty sure Hasan has never at any point in time had any form of protection.

Joe Rogan and his success didnt cause a cultural shift, hes the result of one. The cause is the multitude of out of touch and lack of basic common sense bs thats spilled out of leftist politics for the past decade or so that democrats have spent most of that past decade embracing for some reason.

Im not gonna sit here and defend Rogan, I think he pretty squarely falls into the large camp of people that got their mind broken by the COVID years. But 6 or 7 years ago he was pretty obviously a left leaning moderate. Maybe instead of asking how do we get a left wing Joe Rogan the party should be asking itself why they lost the one they had.

Solid_Snake07 posted...

The cause is the multitude of out of touch and lack of basic common sense bs thats spilled out of leftist politics for the past decade

Got any examples of this?

Murphiroth posted...

Got any examples of this?

From that guy?

None he can post, especially now that transphobia is specifically verboten.

DrizztLink posted...

From that guy?

None he can post, especially now that transphobia is specifically verboten.

That was definitely the distinct impression I got from his "I'm not defending Joe Rogan but wahhhhh those crazy leftists made him do it!" post.

I think the issue is we need to find a way to change the Dem branding.
I think it would be by having likeable Democrats in power going on fox news, different podcasts regularly (things like Rogan and other long form podcasts).

When people think Democrats, we want them to picture what they just heard Pete Buttigieg or AOC say on Joe Rogan about new pro-housing policy and healthcare. NOT some random screenshots from Twitter that's spreading.

We want the normies going, "You're being weird Ben Shapiro, what AOC said on the Rogan show had nothing to do with this woke videogame you're talking about. She was totally correct when talking about how the healthcare insurance industry sucks."

I honestly feel like this is doomed to fail because liberals aren't anywhere near as united on well anything as right wingers are, hell even now in the liberal space there are liberals calling each other sellouts, dem shills and not progressive enough even be Bernie and AOC and Katie Porter weren't progressive enough for these people, not to mention there are still loyalists to the young turks still around who think Cenk and Ana's approach is the way to go, the Democrats actively getting involved in this fight cloud is only going to make it bigger and by the time it dissipates and everyone has those black eyes,. torn clothing and scuff marks they'll so pissed off at each other that grudges will be built and spite will take hold to the point that if your canaidate isn't with this specific group on EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING they will not win because the group they piss off will actively encourage more people to stay home or flat out vote for the opposition while they use their platforms to trash this person

Pay walled, but I like Brian Taylor Cohen.

but he's an establishment shill who never asks his guests on the left really hard questions and doesn't talk about gaza enough, just like David Pakman and Meidastouch network and just like them their support for Biden really hurt them with the progressive movement they've always hated Glenn Kurshner tho because how friendly he is with MSNBC who they view as establishment pro corporate bootlickers and by they I mean people like the vanguard and kyle, they've straight up said those people are an arm of the democrat establishment but themselves and Jesse Dollemore aren't

The thing about Joe Rogan is that while he has a clear bias he presents as a chameleon who mostly mirrors his guests (or goes out of his way to give them room to clean up any rhetoric he finds too extreme), and if he's ever aggressive towards someone it's in a one-off "wow fuck you, that one thing is really shitty dude" way before they go to some other subject instead of a "you are an inherently terrible person and I denounce you in entirety" way. His image is that of someone who's barely politically defined and gives everyone a chance to state their case but who feels strongly a few "common sense" issues.

Others being mentioned here are very consistently aggressive towards certain political wings and political figures, to the point where they aren't viewed as "neutral" (even in the fake sense) and don't fit the role. They just energize people who already agree with them, rather than leading people down a rabbit hole like Rogan does. What you basically want in a "liberal Joe Rogan" is a faux neutral populist who does progressive dogwhistles instead of alt-right ones.

It's actually impressive how good Rogan is at portraying himself as a casual commentator with a common man's take rather than an engaged political partisan, even though people paying attention know what he actually is.

You're working real hard to defend Joey Rogaine's idiocy.

Murphiroth posted...

Got any examples of this?

The campaigns Democrats used to try bringing the male voters did look extremely out of touch and insincere.

It was told repeatedly that there was a problem with male voterbase since years, and said voterbase actually was in favor of Bernie and was labeled as Bernie bros, then they mustered the most unauthentic eleventh hour campaign that became a laughing stock in its own ad video.

But in its Democrat defense, this is a general leftist problem since men in general took a shift for the right in these years, especially Gen Z men. The left took the "the newer generation is more progressive than the last" for granted and it bite them in the ass.

I dont think you can force these particular kinds of things artificially or through industry planting of some kind.

Even if you find the right guy if itll take a good while for them to build up a large audience. But thats assuming they even exist in great enough numbers to rival Rogan.

Prismsblade posted...

I dont think you can force these particular kinds of things artificially or through industry planting of some kind.

Sure you can. Just look at Ben Shapiro. It only doesn't work when your audience has more than two brain cells to clack together.

Which is also part of the issue as the people who would "qualify" are waaaay too far to the left from the Democrats. Sam Seder comes to mind as someone who could be the left's equivalent to Rogan, but as someone with a brain none of his commentary would gel with the overwhelming majority of the Democratic leadership.

012yArthur0 posted...

A leftwing streamer that is openly leftist and actually has a big male base is Shoe0nHead.

But will Democrats or the leftist accept her? Probably not.

She's an anti-feminist, outrage porn channel from what I remember. Basically a female Sargon of Akkad. She's also far more obscure and doesn't scratch the same itch or cover the same variety of topics as somebody like Joe Rogan. The closest we've got to somebody like that right now is probably Bill Burr.

Another barrier to finding a liberal Joe Rogan is that most online leftists aren't liberals (and by that I mean neolibs), they are progressives. They won't just let a Democrat spout shit with no pushback like Rogan does with rightwingers.

Silver_Ogre posted...

She's an anti-feminist, outrage porn channel from what I remember. Basically a female Sargon of Akkad. She's also far more obscure and doesn't scratch the same itch or cover the same variety of topics as somebody like Joe Rogan. The closest we've got to somebody like that right now is probably Bill Burr.

She got into the "men are having lots of issues" bandwagon and turned out that she got popular with it. It was a hole that the left didn't want to properly fill in and basically the rightwing took it alongside the moderate voterbase.

But she does have a large male viewership, which is the thing the left need.

ellis123 posted...

Sure you can. Just look at Ben Shapiro. It only doesn't work when your audience has more than two brain cells to clack together.

Which is also part of the issue as the people who would "qualify" are waaaay too far to the left from the Democrats. Sam Seder comes to mind as someone who could be the left's equivalent to Rogan, but as someone with a brain none of his commentary would gel with the overwhelming majority of the Democratic leadership.

The problem is how inauthentic it feels when Dems market anything. They poured millions on a bunch of already rich celebrities and were dumbfounded that a podcast by some guy in Texas might actually have much more impact than all of them.

As long Dems thinks that just throwing money at it will magically fix stuff (which one would believe to be a GOP tactic), they will look like unauthentic bureaucrats with "how do you do fellow kids" vibes.

Honestly, I would rework the entire Dem marketing team from scratch. Trump play-pretending to be a McDonalds employee or a garbage man probably did more to gather a voterbase than whatever the hell was White Dude for Harris ever did.

I think that is also a big problem, the left image is bad. Think about it, if Trump wasn't elected and transformed his entire external policies into a circus, Canada would probably have lost to a rightwing party and I would bet some European countries too.