Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 458: That's On Top Of The 20% Fentanyl Tax

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Im not confused by the state of tariffs. Youre confused by the state of tariffs. It all makes perfect sense so long as youre from the future.

You will die before achieving anything in life

I mean, what's the bar? I've got a wife, house, and financial stability. That's all I've wanted my whole life. For my bar, I've achieved everything I'll ever need.

Still feel like I'm missing your point here

Dang this was up fast I was going to do a Switch 2 joke.

Anyway I would love to discover when foolmo was born because I suspect they feel that Millennials are a lot older than they actually are.

foolmo is a permanent devil's advocate

I don't think he believes nearly a quarter of what he actually says

ah my bad chat didnt realize i was talking to a gimmick poster. carry on

Hey guys don't worry, once trump finally kicks it we'll have our first millennial world leader
Kms

FFDragon posted...

foolmo is a permanent devil's advocate

I don't think he believes nearly a quarter of what he actually says

Maybe, but it feels pretty shitty to have such a shit draw, to spend my entire life voting and advocating for things a believe in, only for other, older generations to keep fucking it all up and then be told it's an example of my generation failing.

Maybe we haven't influenced politics better because compared to other generations we have next to know assets with which to leverage, but that is also a side effect of our circumstances. It's not just us failing to "pull ourselves up by our bootstraps", which is a misused expression which is actually supposed to describe an impossible task, rather than imply we're lazy or not working hard enough.

LightningStrikes posted...

Dang this was up fast I was going to do a Switch 2 joke.

Im not around much outside of SMFFFC season, Ive gotta get at least one in while Im here!

It's a useless article since it doesn't acknowledge the degrowth movement that has grown exponentially, especially among gen Z, and is the premier anti-social/misanthropic philosophy of the modern age. It's non-partisan, and it's a strong pipeline for liberals or moderates to enter to accelerationist fascism. Trump and Bannon and Vought want regular fascism, but that's been around in various weak forms for a long time. What's new and different is accelerationism, which has billionaires with combined trillions of wealth behind it. It appeals greatly to anyone 25 and under, in a way that is in a lot ways stronger than conservationism can ever be (hope for escape vs hope for healing)

Any chance we could get the tl;dr on how degrowth = the new fascism?

Cupcake2006 posted...

I mean, what's the bar? I've got a wife, house, and financial stability. That's all I've wanted my whole life. For my bar, I've achieved everything I'll ever need.

Still feel like I'm missing your point here

You don't need to explain this to me, I am very much like you. But the fact is, our reasonable happiness is equivalent to our apathy. We could've have done so much more by now, but we didn't, because we didn't really need to. We're not the villains and we're not the saviors. There's no indication this will change in 10, 20, 30 years. We will die as we lived, quietly in bed.

This explains it better than I can:
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/requiem-for-a-dil

did foolmo just link a comic strip as their explanation for telling somebody that they will die with zero achievements

Absolutely, you should read it

Foolmo isn't worth talking to. You can just disengage.

foolm0r0n posted...

We're not the villains and we're not the saviors. There's no indication this will change in 10, 20, 30 years. We will die as we lived, quietly in bed.

This is 99.99% of EVERY generation. Its pure bias to claim otherwise. Maybe this is your midlife crisis talking? Its ok, I feel you.

Just remember how much better everything woulda been if millennials got to experience adulthood without social media. The oldest got to for a few years, but they were still early 20s broke college students.

SaveEstelle posted...

did foolmo just link a comic strip as their explanation for telling somebody that they will die with zero achievements

I mean, I dont agree with foolmo, but

Have you really lived this long to not realize that meaningful artistic expression can take any form? Do you even post here?

Anyway heres the generation of every current G20 leader:

Argentina - Gen X
Australia - Boomer
Brazil - Boomer
Canada - Gen X
China - Boomer
France - Gen X
Germany - Boomer
India - Boomer
Indonesia - Boomer
Italy - Gen X
Japan - Boomer
Mexico - Boomer (this one surprised me)
Russia - Boomer
Saudi Arabia - Silent (MBS is a millenial to be fair)
South Korea - Boomer
Turkey - Boomer
UK - Boomer
US - Boomer
EU - Boomer

This is a great illustration because if you think about the point being made, it's saying we need to wait to do anything until this distribution changes... which if we keep waiting, is obviously never. We've been tricked into lethargic philosophies that prevent us from ever gaining power.

redrocket posted...

I mean, I dont agree with foolmo, but

Have you really lived this long to not realize that meaningful artistic expression can take any form? Do you even post here?

1.) no
2.) yes

The first point is well struck; I am having a difficult time discerning the relevance of the second.

Edit: I accidentally said yes to 1; fixed it lol

redrocket posted...

Any chance we could get the tl;dr on how degrowth = the new fascism?

They mainly want lower population as a solution to consumption and pollution. So lower birth rates, less technology (especially for health), stop the developing countries like India and China. It always has an element of eugenics to it, because the philosophy has to decide who deserves to grow and who doesn't, and it always goes to western developed white/christian areas. Fascists are fully aligned with this because they don't want India, China, Nigeria to keep growing. You have seen how they would gladly take lower births, weaker economies, lower quality of life, as long as the proportion of white christians increases overall.

SaveEstelle posted...

1.) no
2.) yes

The first point is well struck; I am having a difficult time discerning the relevance of the second.

Edit: I accidentally said yes to 1; fixed it lol

The second isnt really important. I just thought it funny to see this on a board that is absolutely obsessed with video games/anime/cartoons/manga/comics etc. and not afraid to give them the artistic credit they are due when warranted.

redrocket posted...

The second isnt really important, I just thought it funny to see this on a board that is absolutely obsessed with video games/anime/cartoons/manga/comics etc. and not afraid to give them the artistic credit they are due when warranted.

I glacially pieced together your meaning while awaiting your reply, haha. I get you.

This absolutely cannot be buried at #488 by hb. WTF

https://bsky.app/profile/titonka.bsky.social/post/3lmrwi4hwvc2k

Edit: hb's not burying, creditting the post. Buried as in late in topic, people too busy with foolmo's nonsense

Oh, I see today is the day we reach the "ignore and dismiss SCOTUS rulings and in fact continue to double down on sending citizens to foreign death camps" stage.

*checks watch*

not even three months in

To be perfectly honest, I don't feel safe anymore.

There was always some sense of wariness since, yknow, being Black in America, but now I'm no longer confident I'll survive to see 2026.

Depending on how protesting goes this week, if you don't see me around ever again...

I'm not suicidal, nor am I a member of any "terrorist" group. This statement is in no way advocating any violent act.

Sir Chris posted...

I am highly interested in seeing what the Supreme Court does about Trump's open defiance. The one thing I figure you can count on the court to do is to not make themselves useless.

I mean, Trump has already moved to "why are you even talking about them? who gives a fuck? this is why your ratings are down" on SCOTUS so I don't really know what the court can do even were it so inclined to do something (which... doubt)

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmrwv7k3yb2f

Millennials:

-Are the most economically active demographic.

-Contribute the most tax and are the biggest net contributors of any demographic.

-Voted heavily against Trump, Brexit, Le Pen, etc.

-Are believed to be on average the most progressive demographic worldwide though it does vary based on where you are.

We literally work and contribute more than anybody else and get screwed over by the two most privileged demographics in the history of humanity. Also those Gen Z DOGE people are irrelevant, just hired because they are young and will follow orders, it could have been any generation that was the youngest adults of the time. Yeah this is all nonsense but its interesting to talk about.

Mega_Mana posted...

This absolutely cannot be buried at #488 by hb. WTF

https://bsky.app/profile/titonka.bsky.social/post/3lmrwi4hwvc2k

Edit: hb's not burying, creditting the post. Buried as in late in topic, people too busy with foolmo's nonsense

I responded to it but everyone else ignored it

LightningStrikes posted...

Yeah this is all nonsense but its interesting to talk about.

That's my gravestone

LightningStrikes posted...

Millennials:

-Are the most economically active demographic.

-Contribute the most tax and are the biggest net contributors of any demographic.

-Voted heavily against Trump, Brexit, Le Pen, etc.

-Are believed to be on average the most progressive demographic worldwide though it does vary based on where you are.

We literally work and contribute more than anybody else and get screwed over by the two most privileged demographics in the history of humanity. Also those Gen Z DOGE people are irrelevant, just hired because they are young and will follow orders, it could have been any generation that was the youngest adults of the time. Yeah this is all nonsense but its interesting to talk about.

Millennials will have their turn, once Boomers are too old to meaningfully participate in politics. I think Millennials have a good to equal the Boomer count of 4 US presidents, and there's a pretty good chance Gen X gets skipped entirely. By that time Millennials will be much more conservative than they were in 2008-2016 though.

Thorn posted...

Sir Chris posted...
I mean, Trump has already moved to "why are you even talking about them? who gives a fuck? this is why your ratings are down" on SCOTUS so I don't really know what the court can do even were it so inclined to do something (which... doubt)

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmrwv7k3yb2f

It's good that Trump is at least still saying he will obey a direct order from SCOTUS. They aren't, however, a trial court, which would typically make such orders. They are an appellate court that except in very limited cases only reviews decisions from lower courts. So I wouldn't expect there to be a lot of occasion for them to be issuing orders to the executive.

red_sox_777 posted...

Millennials will have their turn, once Boomers are too old to meaningfully participate in politics. I think Millennials have a good to equal the Boomer count of 4 US presidents, and there's a pretty good chance Gen X gets skipped entirely.

The irony of the most MAGA generation being skipped would be pretty funny.

By that time Millennials will be much more conservative than they were in 2008-2016 though.

Yeah I dont think so

is gen x really that much more maga than other gens? Seems like to me that maga is fairly spread out across generations.

I don't like this generational wars... in the US's case, our current predicament is more of a rural vs. urban, with some sprinkle of idiotic minority groups that broke for Trump because color woman in charge bad (Cubans, Venezuelans, Palestinians), white women once again voting for their meal ticket not realizing that they're DEI queens, and the fractured nature of egotistical leftists who refuse to compromise because "omg not progressive enough" and self-sabotage our country while the right is fully united.

DoctorPiranha3 posted...

I don't like this generational wars... in the US's case, our current predicament is more of a rural vs. urban, with some sprinkle of idiotic minority groups that broke for Trump because color woman in charge bad (Cubans, Venezuelans, Palestinians), white women once again voting for their meal ticket not realizing that they're DEI queens, and the fractured nature of egotistical leftists who refuse to compromise because "omg not progressive enough" and self-sabotage our country while the right is fully united.

this has pretty much been my observations too

It is possible, though it depends on what happens with social care, that Millennials will eventually accrue enough wealth via inheritance to go more conservative eventually. However, I have a hard time seeing Millennials ever forgiving the right wing parties that governed through the financial crash until today. Unfortunately there will probably be alternatives that emerge which will fill that gap. Also in the American context since there are effectively only two parties maybe there will be a switch for that reason since there is not any alternative really.

Either way this is all still a long way away.

LightningStrikes posted...

It is possible, though it depends on what happens with social care, that Millennials will eventually accrue enough wealth via inheritance to go more conservative eventually. However, I have a hard time seeing Millennials ever forgiving the right wing parties that governed through the financial crash until today. Unfortunately there will probably be alternatives that emerge which will fill that gap. Also in the American context since there are effectively only two parties maybe there will be a switch for that reason since there is not any alternative really.

Either way this is all still a long way away.

Obama and Biden? Obama and Biden account for 12 out of 16.5 years since the financial crash. We had 4 months of Bush and one term and 3 months of Trump.

Metal_DK posted...

is gen x really that much more maga than other gens? Seems like to me that maga is fairly spread out across generations.

Gen X was the most pro-Trump age group on 2024 by a lot, also I believe the only age group he actually won meaning that Gen X is so MAGA they singlehandedly won the election for Trump. This isnt just a US thing either, in Europe Boomers tend to back the traditional centre right parties while Gen Xers are more supportive of the far right. Though every generation has a lot of variation within it also.

red_sox_777 posted...

Obama and Biden? Obama and Biden account for 12 out of 16.5 years since the financial crash. We had 4 months of Bush and one term and 3 months of Trump.

Not everything is about the US. Although, it was over a year of Bush and he governed for the worst of it. By the end of Trumps term it will be 9 out of 21 under Republicans. So almost even. But again, not about America.

LightningStrikes posted...

Gen X was the most pro-Trump age group on 2024 by a lot, also I believe the only age group he actually won meaning that Gen X is so MAGA they singlehandedly won the election for Trump. This isnt just a US thing either, in Europe Boomers tend to back the traditional centre right parties while Gen Xers are more supportive of the far right. Though every generation has a lot of variation within it also.

Boomers are too rich to do anything but back the centrist parties that would preserve their wealth. With Trump, he only lost Boomers by a very small margin. And he didn't lose Millennials by all that much either. Mostly, his support among younger voters relative to older ones was much better than Republicans have had for decades.

LightningStrikes posted...

Not everything is about the US. Although, it was over a year of Bush and he governed for the worst of it. By the end of Trumps term it will be 9 out of 21 under Republicans. So almost even. But again, not about America.

September 2008 to January 2009 is 4 months? As for 2025-2029, I feel like people don't think about the financial crisis that much anymore.

In the UK, I'm having trouble distinguishing between Tory policies and Labour ones. As far as I can tell, the Tories will have a cabinet full of people who went to elite secondary schools, but the actual policies seem about the same?

red_sox_777 posted...

September 2008 to January 2009 is 4 months?

The crash didn't appear out of nowhere my friend. You could argue Bush was there for like 2 years of it honestly.

LightningStrikes posted...

Gen X was the most pro-Trump age group on 2024 by a lot, also I believe the only age group he actually won meaning that Gen X is so MAGA they singlehandedly won the election for Trump. This isnt just a US thing either, in Europe Boomers tend to back the traditional centre right parties while Gen Xers are more supportive of the far right. Though every generation has a lot of variation within it also.

what is "a lot" if you dont mind me asking

The recession started in December 2007.

red_sox_777 posted...

In the UK, I'm having trouble distinguishing between Tory policies and Labour ones. As far as I can tell, the Tories will have a cabinet full of people who went to elite secondary schools, but the actual policies seem about the same?

I mean Labour have been disappointing but not comparable to Tories who wanted to go further on all the worst stuff and not do any of the positive stuff (eg green energy, workers rights, renters rights, renationalisations, etc). You can read the manifestos here:

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Change-Labour-Party-Manifesto-2024-large-print.pdf

https://public.conservatives.com/publicweb/GE2024/Accessible-Manifesto/Accessible-PDF-Conservative-Manifesto-2024.pdf

Having said that none of that is to defend Labour who like I said have been overall disappointing and if they are not careful could see themselves also losing younger generations forever. Which is what happened in places like Germany where both the traditional centre-right AND centre-left lost the support of the young.

Metal_DK posted...

what is "a lot" if you dont mind me asking

Think exit polling has it something like Gen X at Trump+13 with the next closest at Boomers/65+ at essentially a tie.

Yeah, Gen X has a pretty pronounced Trump curve.

I mean, what the actual fuck with this El Salvador situation.

The system has been irreparably broken.

Seanchan posted...

I mean, what the actual fuck with this El Salvador situation.

It doesnt even surprise me. Its what a lot of MAGA wishes was happening for a long time now.

I'm not surprised that Trump wants to jail and/or murder his political opponents, but involving El Salvador is just baffling. It's not a large enough country to hold many people alive, but sending people there just to kill them would just slow the whole operation down. It's already clear that it won't work as a legal loophole or hide what he's doing. Why go through all the extra work when he could just do all that stuff here?

It's already clear that it won't work as a legal loophole

"The intended scope of the term effectuate in the District Courts order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Courts authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs."

I would say it is already working. And since I can't imagine the Republicans in Congress growing enough of a spine to impeach him over it, I expect it will work as long as Trump needs it to. Speak out against the President, run the risk of an indefinite stay in a foreign prison.