Poll of the Day > IDC what anybody says about Chiropractors, my guy's a miracle worker

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My neck had straightened from a car accident some years back, and it was getting harder to turn my head, especially after 8 hours on the computer at work. Also I had bad tmj as a result and my Eustachian tube was getting pinched shut from the tmj, giving me constant fullness in my ears.

• 1st two weeks he just cracked my neck with adjustments and did laser stim.
• after two weeks he added ten minute stretching massages after the stim
• after a month he added a denneroll to the mix to stretch the muscles further and begin rebuilding a curve in my neck
• at the three month mark he introduced neck exercises with everything else.

Now six months later, my tmj has calmed down considerably, the pressure is coming off my ears, and most importantly, I can turn my neck again! In the updated xray you can see a curve forming in the neck.

I think people tend to be down on chiropractors because the founder was an absolute nut case. A lot of modern chiropractors steer clear of that and focus mostly on the manipulation side of things and I have no real issue with them.

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Idc what anyone says about chiropractors either. Not only are chiropractors quacks, but they're dangerous and can seriously permanently injure you. You're better off saving your money and buying a better mattress/chair/losing weight. OMT physicians are real doctors.

They're only popular because real medicine is too expensive for a lot of people, especially in America. What really pisses me off is when people bring their kids and dogs to these places that just traumatize the shit out of their spines.

I don't know why people would think chiropractics would be pseudo-science. The spine and back muscles are major and important parts of the body than can absolutely have issues that should be given care. Why would you ever have a problem with a doctor who specializes in this?

That's like saying all dentists are quacks.

Salrite posted...

I don't know why people would think chiropractics would be pseudo-science. The spine and back muscles are major and important parts of the body than can absolutely have issues that should be given care. Why would you ever have a problem with a doctor who specializes in this?

That's like saying all dentists are quacks.

It's because they are, they don't back anything in scientific studies, and they are considered alternative medicine much like acupuncture. Everything they do is done better by a real doctor. And real doctors never refer you to a chiropractor.

What a chiropractor does is beat around your spine until it maybe feels better according to their patients.

Yellow posted...

It's because they are, they don't back anything in scientific studies, and they are considered alternative medicine much like acupuncture. Everything they do is done better by a real doctor. And real doctors never refer you to a chiropractor.

What is a "Real" spine and back doctor called?

Salrite posted...

What is a "Real" spine and back doctor called?

Physical therapist for basic stuff. Orthopedic surgeon when you have a more serious spine problem. Your primary care provider knows enough to demonstrate some stretches and other general advice to relieve chronic pain. They'll typically refer you to a specialist if you need one.

Idk I watched an old episode of penn and tellers show bullshit that said chiropractors were garbage and after that I was like.. nah

Foundationally, a lot of the science behind chiropractic is bunk. There're a bunch of made up terms like subluxation with nothing backing their actual existence.

That being said - I have found relief from a chiropracter. How is that possible when I just said the other thing? A lot of chiropractors are proactive in getting training and/or certification in various massage and/or physiotherapy practices. A lot of the therapies they provide are going to give you relief. That being said, a lot of study points to the actual back cracking part being a bit placebo effect. I crack my back every day. I love doing it.

I think it's pretty revealing that when there are votes in chiropractic colleges, there're a lot of split votes on certain things that aren't very split in other medical professions. It attracts a decent crowd of psuedoscience quacks. A lot of people find it very helpful, and while I prefer massage and physio, have at it.

Yellow posted...

It's because they are, they don't back anything in scientific studies, and they are considered alternative medicine much like acupuncture. Everything they do is done better by a real doctor. And real doctors never refer you to a chiropractor.

What a chiropractor does is beat around your spine until it maybe feels better according to their patients.

Citation needed.

Revelation34 posted...

Citation needed.

Am I a scientist or a gamefaqs poster, it's not like anyone would listen anyway.

Do chiropractors stretch arms, legs, back, etc. until you get a crack? I do that on my own and it is relieving

https://www.conspirituality.net/episodes/88-new-age-crack

whoa...nuance!

ReturnOfFa posted...

https://www.conspirituality.net/episodes/88-new-age-crack

whoa...nuance!

I read the summary and it said they both benefited from it in the past. That's really not gonna do it for me, there's no shortage of people who got better while going to a quack doctor and then attributed it to the quack.

Yellow posted...

I read the summary and it said they both benefited from it in the past. That's really not gonna do it for me, there's no shortage of people who got better while going to a quack doctor and then attributed it to the quack.

Maybe consider the fact that 90% of the summary is discussing criticism and scientific findings?

Chiropractors are fancy massage people who do the massages in a way that appears medical (and as well...do it in a medical looking office)

But people LIKE massages on their backs so of course they will recommend them to others.

Salrite posted...

What is a "Real" spine and back doctor called?

A physiatrist.

The main reason why people crap on chiropractors is because they don't actually require a medial license or training to be one. And most actual training in the field is considered borderline pseudoscience.

It's like someone claiming to be a "mental health practitioner", which doesn't require anything resembling actual psychological or psychiatric certification or training. Or a reiki practitioner claiming to be anything other than a pseudoscience huckster. There are loopholes in how things are run and regulated.

And a chiropractor helping you feel better doesn't actually undercut that. It's entirely possible for even a total fraud to get results on occasion. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, etc etc.



ReturnOfFa posted...

That being said - I have found relief from a chiropracter. How is that possible when I just said the other thing?

I mean, to be fair, I could give someone a head, neck, shoulder, or back massage and they could feel fantastic from it. Possibly even alleviating existing pain for a few days. That doesn't mean I have anything resembling medical training or knowledge, or have any clue what the fuck I'm doing.

In fact, I've been told I'm really good at neck and shoulder massages - and I'm pretty sure I'm not qualified to be a physical therapist.

A lot of what chiropractors can actually help with is basically just "stretching". The sort of thing most people can do on their own (via something like yoga), with help from people they know, or from actual physical therapists (more effectively and more safely). And with a chiropractor, you're always running the risk that they can exacerbate existing problems by accident because they're not treating them correctly.

Chiropractic was responsible for the state of politics in America today.

B.J. Palmer, the son of the "developer" of chiropractic D.D. Palmer, was the chairman of the Central Broadcast Company, which owned WHO radio in Des Moines. The station sent their sports announcer to cover the Chicago Cubs at their spring training camp in California in 1936. While he was there, he took a screen test that lead to a contract with Warner Bros. This sports announcer's name was Ronald Reagan.

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some chiropractors are scam quacks but there are a few good ones. ive seen both

captpackrat posted...

Chiropractic was responsible for the state of politics in America today.

B.J. Palmer, the son of the "developer" of chiropractic D.D. Palmer, was the chairman of the Central Broadcast Company, which owned WHO radio in Des Moines. The station sent their sports announcer to cover the Chicago Cubs at their spring training camp in California in 1936. While he was there, he took a screen test that lead to a contract with Warner Bros. This sports announcer's name was Ronald Reagan.

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boooo fuck all chiropractors

Just go to a good one like myself and youll be alright. I work with primarily auto accident patients so we do a lot of physical therapy and other modalities. Also work together with orthopedic doctors and surgeons so the idea of all chiropractors being quacks is far from true.

DrBoneCrusher posted...

Just go to a good one like myself and youll be alright. I work with primarily auto accident patients so we do a lot of physical therapy and other modalities. Also work together with orthopedic doctors and surgeons so the idea of all chiropractors being quacks is far from true.

Oh yeah sure fucking thing doctor bone crusher

I can't deny I've seen people walk into Chiro's and come out feeling much better so my only problem is that there's no science behind what they do. If I ever visit one it'll be because it's literally my last option when traditional treatments have failed.

josh posted...

I can't deny I've seen people walk into Chiro's and come out feeling much better so my only problem is that there's no science behind what they do. If I ever visit one it'll be because it's literally my last option when traditional treatments have failed.

The problem is, while some people walk out feeling much better, there are other people who walk out feeling worse (or potentially injured), along with people who walk out seeing no appreciable difference other than their wallet being lighter.

The problem with anecdotal evidence is that you can come to radically different conclusions based on which specific people you're listening to, and none of your conclusions are necessarily correct.

Yeah, like I said there's no science behind it so that's meant to put my anecdotal observations into perspective.

Salrite posted...

I don't know why people would think chiropractics would be pseudo-science. The spine and back muscles are major and important parts of the body than can absolutely have issues that should be given care. Why would you ever have a problem with a doctor who specializes in this?

That's like saying all dentists are quacks.

because often times they aren't doctors.

Chiropractors are 90% swindlers. The only ones that aren't completely full of shit are the ones that basically admit that what they do is fraudulent and therefore incorporate other more proven physical therapy/outsourcing to real doctors. Met several and even tried a few. Even saw one when I had a back injury at the insistence of a bunch of people saying this guy was the best guy around. After a few adjustments and taking my money he admitted he couldn't help me. Always guys with a typical salesman personality. Never met one that didn't strike me as a grifter

ParanoidObsessive posted...

The problem is, while some people walk out feeling much better, there are other people who walk out feeling worse (or potentially injured), along with people who walk out seeing no appreciable difference other than their wallet being lighter.

The problem with anecdotal evidence is that you can come to radically different conclusions based on which specific people you're listening to, and none of your conclusions are necessarily correct.

Yeah, that's definitely something that should be brought up too - the much higher potential for injury.

of course you felt good afterwards. it was a massage. you got skin to skin contact and someone to talk to you validating your feelings.

LaggnFragnLarry posted...

some chiropractors are scam quacks but there are a few good ones. ive seen both

I think this is probably the most balanced outlook. Some are snake oil salesmen, and some get the job done.

Truth be told, that can even be said of some doctors too.

It's a full on scam even if they truly believe they are helping people. You can't just pop people's bones back into alignment. That's not how the human skeleton works lol

OhhhJa posted...

It's a full on scam even if they truly believe they are helping people. You can't just pop people's bones back into alignment. That's not how the human skeleton works lol

Doctors do that all the time with minor fractures.

Revelation34 posted...

Doctors do that all the time with minor fractures.

That's when you have something dislocated.

There's no science backing someone pushing/twisting your body and permanently realigning your spine lol. Or even temporarily. You're being duped by the popping

OhhhJa posted...

There's no science backing someone pushing/twisting your body and permanently realigning your spine lol. Or even temporarily. You're being duped by the popping

Now I just crack my own back

ReturnOfFa posted...

That's when you have something dislocated.

Which is how "pop people's bones back into alignment" works.

Revelation34 posted...

Which is how "pop people's bones back into alignment" works.

Is your gimmick always intentionally be wrong but try to be right using semantics?

Revelation34 posted...

Which is how "pop people's bones back into alignment" works.

so people go into the chiropractor with a dislocated back?? damn that must be brutal

Bro needed a professional to instruct him to do normal stretches

Anyone ever seen the chiro move where they put a thumb up your butt?

ReturnOfFa posted...

Anyone ever seen the chiro move where they put a thumb up your butt?

Lmao yeah, there's also the one where they hammer your tailbone but it always looks like they're chiseling someone's fartbox

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Bro needed a professional to instruct him to do normal stretches

So then you admit Chiros are professionals?

Stimpy posted...

So then you admit Chiros are professionals?

a professional isn't the same as being a medical doctor

you could be a professional psychic if there was a psychic school that gave out psychic doctorates