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htaeD 12/28/24 5:38:25 PM #1: |
The future is not set in stone; we can decide our own fate. Though fate certainly does not make it easy. Sometimes it sends more messages from the future to scare off fate breakers or it lays low and delays their insistent inevitability. And sometimes it just retcons the entire universe around them to try again in new and different but also less exciting ways. At a certain point you just gotta throw in the towel. That is what this time traveler learned as all of his schemes to obtain his own world fell apart. Ulti has died, he was SKYNET SCUM Time Ninja Yet time is not linear. Just because He is now dead in the present, does not mean He can not cause any more harm from the past or future. Fate will find a way to claim victory. But more importantly, they would find a way to get revenge. The first victim was not even that much of a threat to them, just a bystander living in the wrong millennium.... Then again he was on his 99th cup of coffee. Who knows what he could have done if he reached 100. Lopen has died, he was One mans amazing future is another mans mundane present. The second victim however, was targeted due to a personal grudge. He saw too much, and could not be allowed to see anything ever again. They tracked down his ancestors, his organization and the man himself to erase it all in one fell swoop. Scare has died, he was... The lives of our ancestors often seems cooler than our own, everything was better in the old days many say. Time is starting to run out for everyone. Numbered are the days before the dark future comes true at last. This world cannot rest until the past, future AND present have been restored to normal. But which threats still remain? --- Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 12/28/24 5:42:35 PM #2: |
@changmas @Corrik7 @Isquen @Obellisk @PeaceFrog @PunishedBen Playerlist: 1. Ben 2. Changmas 3. Corrik 4. Isquen (Replaces Blade) 5. Peaf 6. Sbell Dead: LD1 - Sultan, The Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come - SCUM Time Psychic KN1 - Red, Hermione Granger - TOWN Time Doubler LD2 - Wallz, Chronos - TOWN Time Proof KN2- Dumey, The Doctor - TOWN Time Jailkeeper LD3 - Ulti, SKYNET - SCUM Time Ninja KN3 - Lopen, Philip J Fry, TOWN Vanilla KN3 - Scare, Desmond Miles, TOWN Time Watcher With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day ends on December 31 at 6 PM You can start posting --- Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/28/24 6:14:21 PM #3: |
Well that was embarrassing. I'm so delusional that I still don't believe it. Gonna re-read basically everything with the new context that I was oh so wrong. And last night I targeted Chang again, I did NOT get blocked. So chang's night action should now be a today action --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/28/24 6:18:52 PM #4: |
PunishedBen posted... Well that was embarrassing. I'm so delusional that I still don't believe it. Gonna re-read basically everything with the new context that I was oh so wrong.Correction: Last day I targeted Chang, and I got my pm that it was successful first thing after the flip yesterday was posted. So whatever stopped me last time was something that could stop a day action --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PeaceFrog 12/28/24 6:29:21 PM #5: |
I'm ready to lynch every single one of you tbh --- ~Peaf~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 12/28/24 6:33:11 PM #6: |
couldn't have left me a lopen... now I think I'm gunna have to actually play? Ben/Peaf/Corrik? one yas surely gets to be scum ya? --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/28/24 6:43:22 PM #7: |
Obellisk posted... couldn't have left me a lopen...It's not me First assumption would be corrik, and that is who lopen was leaning towards yesterday if ulti flipped scum. I won't forget his last input there --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/28/24 6:49:25 PM #8: |
One thing that's concerning is that there were two kills last night, and it couldn't have been from Ulti backing up Sultan's ability, because we killed Ulti before it should have been able to go off. So maybe Ulti wasn't lying about the existence of a third party? Or scum just had another way to extra kill. I'm ready for everyone left to claim, so please do so when you see fit --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/28/24 6:55:50 PM #9: |
PeaceFrog posted... I'm ready to lynch every single one of you tbhPeaf I'm going to be charitable and assume that you announcing you're going to fulfil scum's win condition (if one scum left) is something that is too scummy for actual scum you to say --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Isquen 12/28/24 7:56:47 PM #10: |
So what's the over-under that a big reason I'm now here instead of Blade is because Blade realized he left chang untouchable and got pinged for scum? Because I don't get why I wouldn't be dead over Lopen for whomever was the extra kill. Also, apologies for late, I've been on a tattoo table for the past three hours, and I have not done my due reading diligence. Gomen nasai. --- [Rock and Stone] <o/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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changmas 12/28/24 8:23:42 PM #11: |
okay time to reveal all and then to cook first thing's first Ben is not lying about his ability - it has been used on me, though that means probably far too late for me to ever get something useful out of my ability :( because i'm assuredly dead tonight second thing, i was in fact correct about the flavor split or lack thereof so i will be collecting my flowers for that now time to claim The Watcher (Marvel), TOWN Time Rolecop Once per game, I can target the runner-up on the previous day's lynch and see exactly their flavor and role as it would flip. Essentially, this would see through Ulti's ability, or any other abilities that would change the player's flavor and/or role. (the first thing I did on Day 0 was ask Death whether I would see SCUM Godfather as that role, and I do) THE PROBLEM is that you all have made Scare the runner-up lynch on literally every single lynch thus far. When I recieved the PM I was planning to use it on Night 1 almost no matter what, but after the flip I thought Scare was so obviously town on the scum/town lynch that there was obviously no need to use it. So then after Day 2 I was going to use it just to rest all uncertainty and put the issue to bed, but I was blocked. Then after Day 3 it was once again extremely obvious that Scare was town, so no need to use it. And that's where we are now, where I technically can use my ability for the duration of today's day phase, but once again I can still only target Scare, who is already dead and flipped. Maybe the most useless use of any power ever. I guess I should have just claimed yesterday and hoped someone would help me out and let me scan SBell, but alas. So yeah anyway no way I live through tonight, so nothing to lose by revealing all. NOW: I still want to heavily pursue Ben, because I think his ability still doesn't make a ton of sense with the town roles in the game. I think it's very plausible he's either an every other night roleblocker / role delayer or perhaps can choose between the two roles each night. There's really no plausible reason for him to get roleblocked on Day 2. BUT: Even more obvious to me is that Isquen/Blade is some kind of 3P. It perfectly explains why there wasn't a second kill for the first two nights, and then as soon as Blade replaces out, there's a kill. Blade was clearly annoyed at whatever his role was, and tried to claim it was some kind of useless self-confirmable role, but Isquen is playing it different, naturally. I mean this post today clearly suggests it: Isquen posted... So what's the over-under that a big reason I'm now here instead of Blade is because Blade realized he left chang untouchable and got pinged for scum? Because I don't get why I wouldn't be dead over Lopen for whomever was the extra kill. Like, Blade was pretty thinly veiled in claiming that his role didn't have any other components to it, but he stuck to that story. (of course, I never believed that for a second). Isquen on the other hand thinks he would be a nightkill, which to me suggests that there's a lot more to his role than we've been let onto --- The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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changmas 12/28/24 8:31:56 PM #12: |
don't hate making corrik and sbell claim today though --- The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Isquen 12/28/24 8:40:45 PM #13: |
changmas posted... Isquen on the other hand thinks he would be a nightkill After my last replacing got me immediately ganked, yes, I do. --- [Rock and Stone] <o/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/28/24 9:56:25 PM #14: |
changmas posted... okay time to reveal all and then to cookAh. I wish you would have actually just asked us to put up someone other than Scare as number 2 yesterday, because I'd have helped do it to serve a purpose. Ulti's flip was going to answer what Scare was no matter what. But beyond that, I guess best thing to do now is set up today so we can have the person at number 2 who you want to scan, just in case. I propose its me if you think there's still any value in having me confirmed for a potential endgame, and we can kill a player who has read the game less today. Now that I am thinking about the possibility of your survival tonight - couldnt the reason for two kills be because Ulti copied Red's ability, used it on his scummate, and thus gave them two nightkills last night? And that would mean they cant kill this following night. There is nothing in Red's flip that says it cant be used on nightkills. Mine specifically says it cannot interact with the factional kill. So is that not the most likely possibility? --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/28/24 9:57:45 PM #15: |
I think that's more likely than a third party kill randomly coming in on day 4, and I dont think Ulti is being truthful. In fact I think he says that before he dies knowing his team is killing two people last night --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PeaceFrog 12/28/24 10:34:13 PM #16: |
Isquen, I trust you the most out of everyone right now, if only because of blade's pettiness about things. If you had a gun right now to give to someone else to shoot, who would you give it to and why? --- ~Peaf~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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changmas 12/28/24 10:42:57 PM #17: |
PunishedBen posted... Now that I am thinking about the possibility of your survival tonight - couldnt the reason for two kills be because Ulti copied Red's ability, used it on his scummate, and thus gave them two nightkills last night? And that would mean they cant kill this following night. There is nothing in Red's flip that says it cant be used on nightkills. Mine specifically says it cannot interact with the factional kill. No, I think that's wrong. From Ulti's flip: "Each night you can choose 1 dead player. Until the next night you will assume the name of that target: any other actions you take will be seen as actions done by the dead target instead of you (when targeted by scanners and such). Additionally, once during the game you can target a dead player and copy their power along with their name. You will keep your power of nightkilling, but you will also be locked into that power and players name for the rest of the game." Ulti can turn into Red and take his power for the rest of the game. Red didn't have a once per game limitation on his power. So if Ulti lived another day, scum could kill two players again the following day, assuming they picked a different player to deliver the night kill? I think it doesn't work on the factional night kill because it's not a specific player's abilities, or perhaps the factional night kill specifies that there's a "once per night" limitation. Either way, for balance reasons I very much doubt that that is the case. In any case, given that there should not be 4 scum in 13 in this case, we can very easily verify this, because if it was Ulti copying Red that allowed scum to double kill last night, they won't be able to kill anyone tonight --- The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PeaceFrog 12/28/24 11:26:11 PM #18: |
I don't see how you concluded that based off of the points leading up to it --- ~Peaf~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Isquen 12/28/24 11:32:11 PM #19: |
PeaceFrog posted... Isquen, I trust you the most out of everyone right now, if only because of blade's pettiness about things. See, that is a heck of a loaded question in its own right. - My own paranoia is saying not chang, because claim aside I could absolutely see him taking advantage of my vote-impotence by keeping me alive, and being a mite passive at the start of day 2 without ever outright accusing anybody. - I have not read into neither you nor Corrik enough to trust you with it (though I'm skeptical with Ulti doing deflecting things day 1.) - Ben is focused and controlling the narrative, which I don't like, and *with* chang's claim, something doesn't add up. - Sbell is alive and it's after day 2 what the hell (joke, but I also need to read further into him.) --- [Rock and Stone] <o/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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changmas 12/29/24 12:11:41 AM #20: |
Red doubles a scum player Day 1. Town player lynched D1. (12 players remain) Scum kills 2 players N1 with double factional kill. (10 players remain) Sultan poisons another player Town player lynched D2, plus the poisoned player dies. (8 players remain, 3 scum) Now town thinks they're potentially at mylo on day 3 (though scum I guess can't use the nightkill) well if scum doubled up last night I definitely don't think they can use the factional kill tonight. i personally don't think it's reasonable for scum to double the night kill, given that: 1) red's power is actually very hard to use well on town, and it's not actually all that unlikely for someone with that role to accidentally use it on a scum player on an early day (i mean, probably not red specifically, but a generic someone in that role) 2) ulti backing up doubler makes it significantly easier for the doubler to be used by scum power 3) scum already have an extra kill in the setup! there shouldn't be another way for them to get a second one, either through ulti backup or red getting unlucky / mistakenly using his power on someone he thought was town but was actually scum. especially when access to that second extra kill makes the setup super swingy depending on red's power use and when red / ulti die --- The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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changmas 12/29/24 12:12:38 AM #21: |
i mean, we can just throw it out the window if there's no kill tonight, but for now i think it makes the most sense to operate as though there is 1 scum + 1 3P --- The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/29/24 1:07:10 AM #22: |
changmas posted... i mean, we can just throw it out the window if there's no kill tonight, but for now i think it makes the most sense to operate as though there is 1 scum + 1 3PThat's fine. Just want to be optimistic that there is a scenario where you don't die tonight and still get to use that power. So we still need to try and set that up properly. Obviously i think you are 100% town, or you would not be claiming a power that is expected to die tonight. I will forever think Iqsuen's slot is town too because of Blade player meta and how he played the role. --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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changmas 12/29/24 1:12:15 AM #23: |
if i don't die tonight i'm getting roleblocked. i'm very pessimistic on the chances of ever using that power in a meaningful way --- The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/29/24 1:18:35 AM #24: |
changmas posted... if i don't die tonight i'm getting roleblocked. i'm very pessimistic on the chances of ever using that power in a meaningful wayOh I forgot about that. Wait, so me shuffling your ability to day time would get around a roleblock right? Unless they have a day roleblock, which has been used on me possibly ( I still feel like maybe there's some other explanation). In which case, if I was able to delay you and they ignored me and day role blocked you, it would be nasty. But if they dont have that then we can get around it --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/29/24 1:24:08 AM #25: |
I did heavily imply having a day ability on Day 1 when I told DUmey he should know i am town by now and winked. But scum having an even/odd phase day/night roleblocker doesn't make sense either since we were both roleblocked on Day 2 and Night 2 separately. And CHang you were specifically told that you were targeted and your powers were blocked? --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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changmas 12/29/24 1:24:54 AM #26: |
well, the PM i got from Death about your ability being used on me yesterday confirmed that I don't get the result back until the end of the day. So the soonest I would be able to share a scan if you delay me again is day 6 and that's just too late to matter in almost any case --- The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/29/24 1:25:40 AM #27: |
Oh. So to even have a chance I should not target you tonight. --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/29/24 1:26:43 AM #28: |
My power is so trash. Maybe I should be the one replacing out! --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/29/24 1:29:20 AM #29: |
That's a joke. But yeah unless corrik or sbell is a role where using it on them can actually benefit us, I don't see why I should even be using it. If I knew it delayed the action to the next day instead of moving it back in time back on day 1, I might have just claimed vanilla and that be better off for all of us lol. I've done that before with trap roles. --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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changmas 12/29/24 1:31:34 AM #30: |
you could delay the roleblocker off of me? --- The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/29/24 1:33:11 AM #31: |
Very true. Just have to hit right. Definitely the best use of it now --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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changmas 12/29/24 1:37:26 AM #32: |
assuming you aren't the roleblocker, which I definitely haven't ruled out. Because I really just don't think it makes a lot of sense for a roleblocker to have roleblocked you on Day 2 and me on Night 2. Though actually, I think I can get pretty close to clearing SBell from being the roleblocker. Dumey claimed that he ended up using the delayed jailkeep on SBell. Given that I know how your power works (delaying the result until the END of the day phase), SBell would be unable to roleblock you / make me untargetable during the day, unless that was his night 1 action and it extended through the entire next day. As a result, it either requires some kind of super juiced up roleblocker role (timeproof like wallz, roleblock lasts for the entire night phase and the following day phase), or for there to be two scum left (and ben probably has to be one of them). that's enough circumstantial evidence for me to rule out really wanting to go after him next --- The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 12/29/24 7:36:26 AM #33: |
Yes, you should clear me of all things. Sorry I didn't come back to the topic last night. it's been a busy weekend (makeup christmas with the family). Marty Mcfly. Town Vanilla. I had a lot of words with death after rolling vanilla in a game I was promised wacky roles. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PeaceFrog 12/29/24 9:02:47 AM #34: |
Just corrik left unclaimed? --- ~Peaf~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PeaceFrog 12/29/24 9:03:32 AM #35: |
Remaining claims: 2 vanilla, 2 power, 1 dirty vanilla with voting limitations --- ~Peaf~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/29/24 9:47:29 AM #36: |
Obellisk posted... Yes, you should clear me of all things. Sorry I didn't come back to the topic last night. it's been a busy weekend (makeup christmas with the family).Lol lopen called it --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 12/29/24 9:53:25 AM #37: |
he really did. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PeaceFrog 12/29/24 11:36:39 AM #38: |
New samsung notes app doesn't have an undo and it really pisses me off. Anyway I think everything below is the correct public info. Final d1 votals [7] Sultan - Peaf, Scare, (Lopen), Corrik, (Blade), Blade, Ben, Sbell, Lopen, [Ulti, Chang after hammer] [4] Scare - Dumey, Ulti, (Lopen), Wallz, (Lopen), (Ben), Sultan [1] Ulti - (Lopen), (Sultan), (Blade), Red [1] Wallz - (Sultan), (Blade), (Lopen), Changmas, (Sbell) [0] Blade - (Sultan), (Blade), (Sultan), (Lopen) [0] Lopen - (Corrik), (Sultan), (Red), (Blade) [0] Ben - (Lopen), (Ulti), (Blade), (Dumey), (Blade) [0] Sbell - (Blade), (Wallz) [0] Dumey - (Blade), (Lopen), (Dumey), (Scare) [0] Changmas - (Dumey) [0] Corrik - (Ulti), (Blade) [0] Peaf - (Blade), (Ulti) [0] Red - (Blade) [0] Scare - (Blade) Final d2 votals [4] Wallz - Sbell, Dumey, Changmas, (Lopen), Lopen [3] Scare - (Ben), (Ulti), Peaf, Ulti, Ben [1] Blade - (Lopen), (Blade), Blade [1] Dumey - (Lopen), (Lopen), Scare, (Lopen) [0] Peaf - (Wallz), (Lopen), (Ulti), (Lopen), (Lopen) [0] Sbell - (Ulti), (Lopen), (Ben) [0] Chang - (Lopen) [0] Lopen - (Blade), (Blade), (Chang) No vote at eod: Wallz, Corrik Final D3 Votals (4) Ulti - (Lopen), Scare, Corrik, (Peaf), (Lopen), (Lopen), (Lopen), Lopen, Peaf (2) Scare - Ben, (Peaf), (Ulti), Ulti, (Lopen) (1) Sbell - Changmas (0) Ben - (Lopen) We know there were 2 scum on Scare d1. Chang may have felt pressure d3 to not go against the ulti tide, but it's interesting because he and red were the only two not on Sultan or Scare d1. Remarkably I feel better about Corrik than about sbell or ben. --- ~Peaf~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 12/29/24 12:18:44 PM #39: |
I mean, you can't really use voting record to "like" me. I've just sorta been here... Peaf why was Lopen so hard for you day 2. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PeaceFrog 12/29/24 2:21:15 PM #40: |
I don't understand the question. --- ~Peaf~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 12/29/24 5:58:27 PM #41: |
PeaceFrog posted... 0] Peaf - (Wallz), (Lopen), (Ulti), (Lopen), (Lopen)he kept voting you --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 12/29/24 6:13:25 PM #42: |
Well, I'm not surprised scare was telling the truth, but I am a little surprised it worked out. Scum must have a jack of all kills and used a strongman or something day 1 and not their ninja. Haha. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 12/29/24 6:17:17 PM #43: |
Wait. The last scum has to be a roleblocker. And ultis name has ninja in it... Um... hmmm... --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 12/29/24 6:18:45 PM #44: |
Wait who claimed roleblocked again and wasn't there a town person that supposedly could delay the actions? Chang claimed it and someone else right? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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changmas 12/29/24 7:12:08 PM #45: |
I was roleblocked Night 2. Ben claims he was roleblocked on Day 2. Ben has claimed to be the action delayer, and he has successfully done this on both Dumey and I. Though frankly I'm not convinced that Ben isn't the scum roleblocker and that's a second ability he can choose instead of the roleblock --- The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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changmas 12/29/24 7:14:51 PM #46: |
List of claims: Peaf: Vanilla SBell: Vanilla Chang: 1-use Flavor/Rolecop Ben: Action Delayer Blade / Isquen: Groundhog Day thing, he can only vote for players he voted for on Day 1. (claims there is nothing more to the role than that) Corrik: UNCLAIMED --- The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/29/24 7:33:38 PM #47: |
Corrik can you claim please --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 12/29/24 7:57:05 PM #48: |
PunishedBen posted... Corrik can you claim pleaseNo --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 12/29/24 8:28:58 PM #49: |
but why? --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 12/29/24 9:44:01 PM #50: |
UltimaterializerX posted... ##Vote: Corrik Lopen posted... The reason Ulti is scum btw is he's not actually attacking Corrik Lopen posted... The part of why suspect Ulti is he's grouping Corrik and I based on non-logic (Corrik hasn't pre announced inactivity any more than he has any other game)This was an interesting moment on page 2, because I also think its suspect when scum group people together. Scum do it to group up a scummate and a town so that they have a justified reason to go after a town mislynch, especially after one of them flips. Though now that we know Ulti was scum, could this actually be a real instance of it? --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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