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THRILLH0USE
12/19/24 4:02:34 PM
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They want to make an example out of him is such a hilarious reaction to literal murder. Like what do you think happens normally in this situation, a fine?

The entire internet is so fucking dumb now.

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DrizztLink
12/19/24 4:03:02 PM
#52:


he said, on the internet

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Krojen
12/19/24 4:07:04 PM
#53:


IceCreamOnStero posted...
Lmao if you think Biden isn't hoping that Luigi does get executed.
Yeah, you wont find a bigger fan of healthcare CEOs than Biden.

He was defending them with tears streaming anytime Bernie suggested CEOs havent earned the right to control our health.

He described them as fine people that deserve their seat at the table on policy.

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BlackScythe0
12/19/24 4:09:45 PM
#54:


THRILLH0USE posted...
They want to make an example out of him is such a hilarious reaction to literal murder. Like what do you think happens normally in this situation, a fine?

The entire internet is so fucking dumb now.
Says a guy who is a big fan of mass murderers
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THRILLH0USE
12/19/24 4:12:40 PM
#55:


No please not a strawman, my only weakness!
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legendary_zell
12/19/24 4:13:16 PM
#56:


What I really mean is that society should have far far far far far FAR more anger and focus on the ordinary, everyday brutality that is private healthcare and a thousand other industries under capitalism. At least as much as they do for one person murdering another.

That should be treated as the heinous act that it is, not ignored because it happens according to written policies and procedures and the company is on the stock exchange. But a society that could do that is a fundamentally different society than the one we have.

If one person murdering another provokes a manhunt, terrorism charges, and a full court press by corporate media to ignore the necessary conversation about what violence is and who commits it, I want to see a commensurate response when a CEO sets up a meat grinder that kills people for a living. And yes, the commensurate response to that would take and create an entirely different social and economic order than the one we have.

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AnsestralRecall
12/19/24 4:16:31 PM
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LS being a bootlicker? Must be a day ending in y.

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Humble_Novice
12/19/24 4:17:44 PM
#58:


Will this even stop people from wanting to go after the filthy rich?
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Heineken14
12/19/24 4:18:45 PM
#59:


THRILLH0USE posted...
They want to make an example out of him is such a hilarious reaction to literal murder. Like what do you think happens normally in this situation, a fine?

The entire internet is so fucking dumb now.

THRILLH0USE posted...
No please not a strawman, my only weakness!

Lol

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Toonstrack
12/19/24 4:23:17 PM
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THRILLH0USE posted...
They want to make an example out of him is such a hilarious reaction to literal murder. Like what do you think happens normally in this situation, a fine?

The entire internet is so fucking dumb now.

Yea some of these takes are so laughably detached from any semblance of reality.

It is really apparent how many people spend way; way too much time engaging in their preferred fictional universes and the internet rather than the real world.

Dude walked up and gunned a man down in cold blood. Gets arrested, a manifesto describing potential intent to kill more people surfaces. Gets charged with murder. Termianlly online ppl: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a0d4414f.jpg

Like we had people legitimately thinking this dude would evade the authorities for the rest of his life and no one would ever turn him in. Like this is breaking bad or something.

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teep_
12/19/24 4:27:45 PM
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Toonstrack posted...
Gets charged with murder
Terrorism, actually

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THRILLH0USE
12/19/24 4:29:18 PM
#62:


teep_ posted...
Terrorism, actually

Both, actually.
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teep_
12/19/24 4:30:25 PM
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THRILLH0USE posted...
Both, actually.
I have no objection to the murder charge, but imo both the terrorism charge and the federal charge are way overblown and reek of intimidation

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LightSnake
12/19/24 4:30:46 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
What I really mean is that society should have far far far far far FAR more anger and focus on the ordinary, everyday brutality that is private healthcare and a thousand other industries under capitalism. At least as much as they do for one person murdering another.

That should be treated as the heinous act that it is, not ignored because it happens according to written policies and procedures and the company is on the stock exchange. But a society that could do that is a fundamentally different society than the one we have.

If one person murdering another provokes a manhunt, terrorism charges, and a full court press by corporate media to ignore the necessary conversation about what violence is and who commits it, I want to see a commensurate response when a CEO sets up a meat grinder that kills people for a living. And yes, the commensurate response to that would take and create an entirely different social and economic order than the one we have.

And yet, that's not what's happening. Most people have gone about their day, consider this guy a crazy murderer and still hate the insurance industry. No major legislation is forthcoming and nothing has changed except multiple lives are over.

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Toonstrack
12/19/24 4:31:04 PM
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teep_ posted...
Terrorism, actually

That too, yes.

When you kill someone and get caught and possess a manifesto expressing a sociopolitical motive and a (possibly) desire to take out more people/stoke fear for a number of people theres a chance people will see you as using terror to enact sociopolitical change.

Will it stick? Maybe or maybe not. But the charge isn't completely unheard of.

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Rika_Furude
12/19/24 4:31:49 PM
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THRILLH0USE posted...
They want to make an example out of him is such a hilarious reaction to literal murder. Like what do you think happens normally in this situation, a fine?

The entire internet is so fucking dumb now.
? Normally in cases of murder its lower class citizens killing eachother, or cops killing civilians etc. they dont care in this scenario because the life of the victim in their eyes isnt significant. When its a case of a lower class citizen killing a higher class citizen, they are infuriated because in their minds theres not much they can do, even if they execute the murderer they are still worth less than the victim so its a bad trade. Thats why the elite are infuriated by this
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THRILLH0USE
12/19/24 4:32:18 PM
#67:


teep_ posted...
I have no objection to the murder charge, but imo both the terrorism charge and the federal charge are way overblown and reek of intimidation

He left a manifesto brother.
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teep_
12/19/24 4:33:27 PM
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If it were any other case, I'd be confident the terrorism charge wouldn't stick

But it's this particular case, and you can absolutely tell that the wealthy donors are worried. And since US justice is owned by the wealthy, I'm not convinced the justice system will actually be just

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THRILLH0USE
12/19/24 4:34:54 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Normally in cases of murder its lower class citizens killing eachother, or cops killing civilians etc. they dont care in this scenario

Dylann Roof is on death row. There is no legal immunity for murdering poor people.

Rika_Furude posted...
When its a case of a lower class citizen killing a higher class citizen,

I'm begging you guys to learn one single thing about this Luigi loser instead of just writing fan fiction where you pretend he's whatever you want him to be.

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Toonstrack
12/19/24 4:36:02 PM
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teep_ posted...
If it were any other case, I'd be confident the terrorism charge wouldn't stick

But it's this particular case, and you can absolutely tell that the wealthy donors are worried

You dont have to be wealthy to be worried about getting shot by someone you never even met in broad daylight.

And as an aside luigi isn't lower class. He is the son of millionaires and an heir to literal actual generational wealth.

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Rika_Furude
12/19/24 4:37:41 PM
#71:


THRILLH0USE posted...
Dylann Roof is on death row. There is no legal immunity for murdering poor people.

I'm begging you guys to learn one single thing about this Luigi loser instead of just writing fan fiction where you pretend he's whatever you want him to be.
You think whatever wealth Luigi had puts him on the same level as a death merchant? And besides, hes empowered the lower class, so the result of his action is what the elite find unacceptable
and weird how they are taking Luigis crime more seriously than Dylans
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EPR-radar
12/19/24 4:38:39 PM
#72:


teep_ posted...
If it were any other case, I'd be confident the terrorism charge wouldn't stick

But it's this particular case, and you can absolutely tell that the wealthy donors are worried. And since US justice is owned by the wealthy, I'm not convinced the justice system will actually be just
"The purpose of a system is what is does" leads to a bleak view of the US justice system -- we have just seen that one of its purposes is to make the rich above the law with the failure of the Trump cases.

Now we are seeing another purpose of the US justice system -- discouraging any crime that amounts to an attack on the ruling class with grotesquely over the top prosecution.

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teep_
12/19/24 4:38:47 PM
#73:


Toonstrack posted...
You dont have to be wealthy to be worried about getting shot by someone you never even met in broad daylight.
Correct. I live in an area with a large Nazi presence and worry about being attacked on the way to work, or just being outside in general. There have been verbal altercations, but thankfully nothing physical yet

But if it were to happen, i doubt my attacker would get hit by a terrorism charge, no matter how many manifestos they wrote

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DrizztLink
12/19/24 4:39:40 PM
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THRILLH0USE posted...
He left a manifesto brother.
So do a lot of school shooters.

Haven't seen many terrorism charges there, excluding Crumbley.

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THRILLH0USE
12/19/24 4:43:04 PM
#75:


Rika_Furude posted...
You think whatever wealth Luigi had puts him on the same level as a death merchant?

He quite literally comes from a richer family, yeah.

Rika_Furude posted...
And besides, hes empowered the lower class,

No he just gave a bunch of weird people online with violent impulses hope that their own behavior was being normalized. Poor people have gained absolutely nothing from this.

Rika_Furude posted...
and weird how they are taking Luigis crime more seriously than Dylans

They are not, not sure what part of him being on death row you didn't understand.

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teep_
12/19/24 4:45:10 PM
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THRILLH0USE posted...
Poor people have gained absolutely nothing from this.
Healthcare companies have walked back certain policies directly after the shooting, iirc

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THRILLH0USE
12/19/24 4:45:52 PM
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you are not remembering correctly
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Rika_Furude
12/19/24 4:46:46 PM
#78:


THRILLH0USE posted...
He quite literally comes from a richer family, yeah.

No he just gave a bunch of weird people online with violent impulses hope that their own behavior was being normalized. Poor people have gained absolutely nothing from this.

They are not, not sure what part of him being on death row you didn't understand.
Youre being intentionally obtuse. I dont see any action to prevent mass shootings like Dylans yet they already implemented 911 Platinum for CEOs and are spending taxpayer dollars for CEOs protection. Thats because obviously CEOs are on a higher class. Not sure what part of that you dont understand
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Toonstrack
12/19/24 4:46:47 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
You think whatever wealth Luigi had puts him on the same level as a death merchant? And besides, hes empowered the lower class

The only thing he's empowered is "socially conscious" IG influencers bumping up their follower numbers with reeks regurgitating the same takes on this guy and tiktok thirst edits.

90% of the ppl gassing this guy up are actual teenagers who will click the heart on a clip featuring him and go about there day doing the same thing they were doing before they ever heard of him.

When you have people making fanart of a ship of this dude and that "the doll" serial killer you know that he's already achieved meme status and any support behind him is about as long lasting as a memes support is.

Some of the memes are funny tho

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Toonstrack
12/19/24 4:48:54 PM
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teep_ posted...
Correct. I live in an area with a large Nazi presence and worry about being attacked on the way to work, or just being outside in general. There have been verbal altercations, but thankfully nothing physical yet

But if it were to happen, i doubt my attacker would get hit by a terrorism charge, no matter how many manifestos they wrote

You dont think a neo nazi with a manifesto would get hit with a terrorism charge for targeting and assaulting someone? Id sure hope they would.

Keep in mind this wasn't a chance meeting robbed at gunpoint murder.

This dude targeted this guy specifically, waited for him to be isolated and then executed him.

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Toonstrack
12/19/24 4:49:53 PM
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teep_ posted...
Healthcare companies have walked back certain policies directly after the shooting, iirc


undefined posted...
you are not remembering correctly
LOL. BCBS walked back their time limit on anesthesia literally days after the shooting.

Surely you aren't so brain-damaged as to believe their corporate press release that (of course) gave other reasons for this change


The lady who pushed for that one healthcare policy to be rolled back is governor Hochul, the same one whos considering a CEO hotline for danger iirc

Soooooo no I dont think this is a win for the common people

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DrizztLink
12/19/24 4:50:46 PM
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Toonstrack posted...
You dont think a neo nazi with a manifesto would get hit with a terrorism charge for targeting and assaulting someone? Id sure hope they would.
Hope in one hand and shit in the other.

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LightSnake
12/19/24 4:51:04 PM
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EPR-radar posted...
LOL. BCBS walked back their time limit on anesthesia literally days after the shooting.

Surely you aren't so brain-damaged as to believe their corporate press release that (of course) gave other reasons for this change.

https://www.vox.com/policy/390031/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-limits-insurance

There was never going to be a "time limit on anesthesia," people got straight played by the ASA who ust didn't wanna be played slightly less by BCBS instituting the same rules Medicare uses
Rika_Furude posted...
more seriously than Dylan's

Dylan Storm Roof was apprehended nigh immediately and sentenced to death

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Rika_Furude
12/19/24 4:52:29 PM
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LightSnake posted...
Dylan Storm Roof was apprehended nigh immediately and sentenced to death
And what else? Like what actions did they take to prevent further crimes like his?
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teep_
12/19/24 4:53:22 PM
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Toonstrack posted...
You dont think a neo nazi with a manifesto would get hit with a terrorism charge for targeting and assaulting someone? Id sure hope they would.
From the cases i remember off the top of my head, the precedent doesn't support that unfortunately

Toonstrack posted...
The lady who pushed for that one healthcare policy to be rolled back is governor Hochul, the same one whos considering a CEO hotline for danger iirc

Soooooo no I dont think this is a win for the common people
1. I don't get your logic
2. The CEO hotline for danger is more evidence that the wealthy elite is worried. Where's my German of foreign heritage who lives near a Neo Nazi music festival site hotline?

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Kanaya413
12/19/24 4:53:25 PM
#89:


LightSnake posted...
Part of the social contract is even the murderers of bad people get punished.
Wish they would punish rapists too at least and not let them run for president
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LightSnake
12/19/24 4:56:07 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
And what else? Like what actions did they take to prevent further crimes like his?

Unfortunately, it's the reason a lot of Black churches now have security guards. Would be nice if they fixed the background loop hole that allowed him to get a gun, too.

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THRILLH0USE
12/19/24 4:59:07 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
There is immunity for rich people killing working class people. Mostly because the legal system doesn't consider the ways in which they kill us a crime. That is, in itself, a form of immunity.

No one considers insurance or rationing health care a crime because this would make every single person who runs every single health care system on Earth a murderer. It would literally prevent people from accessing health care services at all.

EPR-radar posted...
LOL. BCBS walked back their time limit on anesthesia literally days after the shooting.

This had nothing to do with the shooting you're just trying to connect dots that will uphold your bias. Same reason people are claiming Luigi is the first guy to ever be charged with murder, you believe what you want to.

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Toonstrack
12/19/24 5:00:21 PM
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teep_ posted...
From the cases i remember off the top of my head, the precedent doesn't support that unfortunately

I found an article from last year that had two Canadian neo nazis getting charged with terrorism and they didn't even assault/kill anyone, but they had manifestos and were allegedly making recruitment videos or something. It does happen

1. I don't get your logic
2. The CEO hotline for danger is more evidence that the wealthy elite is worried. Where's my German of foreign heritage who lives near a Neo Nazi music festival site hotline?

That would probably be the anti defamation one I guess?

My logic is that this lady is not an ally to the working people so her actions to restrict the implementation of that policy cannot accurate be viewed as a win for the common people in connection with Luigi.

And yes, I'm sure they are worried especially since the discourse isn't even restricted to healthcare industry workers but just "the wealthy" and said discourse surrounds a lone gunman targeting snd killing a guy. Itd be very easy for some dude with a random beef against any rich individual to imitate his actions.


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Rika_Furude
12/19/24 5:03:00 PM
#93:


LightSnake posted...
Unfortunately, it's the reason a lot of Black churches now have security guards. Would be nice if they fixed the background loop hole that allowed him to get a gun, too.
So you think that churches having to hire their own security is comparable to taxpayer money being spent on CEO security and 911 Platinum for CEOs?
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haloiscoolisbak
12/19/24 5:07:16 PM
#94:


THRILLH0USE posted...
They want to make an example out of him is such a hilarious reaction to literal murder. Like what do you think happens normally in this situation, a fine?

The entire internet is so fucking dumb now.

Bro it's making me think there's like a mass trolling event happening.

If any of these users were actually there, in person, as a witness, and heard the dying screams of a man being shot in the back in cold blood, they'd have been traumatised and horrified. They'd have felt immense empathy for the dying person. They'd have viewed Luigi as someone willing to go way too far to prove a point.

No amount of "but he was CEO" would have erased that feeling either.

Martyrdom, fucking lol.


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LightSnake
12/19/24 5:07:52 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
So you think that churches having to hire their own security is comparable to taxpayer money being spent on CEO security and 911 Platinum for CEOs?

I know corporations increased CEO security after, can I have a link on where we're seeing it's taxpayer funded?

Likewise, the one thing I saw about the "911 Platinum" was it was some dumb idea floated by Hochul without being implemented yet.

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DrizztLink
12/19/24 5:08:10 PM
#96:


haloiscoolisbak posted...
Bro it's making me think there's like a mass trolling event happening.

If any of these users were actually there, in person, as a witness, and heard the dying screams of a man being shot in the back in cold blood, they'd have been traumatised and horrified. They'd have felt immense empathy for the dying person. They'd have viewed Luigi as someone willing to go way too far to prove a point.

No amount of "but he was CEO" would have erased that feeling either.

Martyrdom, fucking lol.
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SaikyoStyle
12/19/24 5:09:25 PM
#97:


DrizztLink posted...
Pearls all over the fucking floor.
Just like when Thomas Wayne got shot. Come to think of it, was there much sympathy for him in Gotham?

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Villain_S_Fiend
12/19/24 5:09:37 PM
#98:


AuthenticZac posted...
They aren't going to pull any punches. They want to make it clear that no one is allowed to stand up to the wealthy.


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Rika_Furude
12/19/24 5:10:35 PM
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LightSnake posted...
I know corporations increased CEO security after, can I have a link on where we're seeing it's taxpayer funded?

Likewise, the one thing I saw about the "911 Platinum" was it was some dumb idea floated by Hochul without being implemented yet.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80901539
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LightSnake
12/19/24 5:13:26 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80901539

Was this implemented?

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Rika_Furude
12/19/24 5:16:16 PM
#101:


LightSnake posted...
Was this implemented?
Wheres your proof discussions are over?
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LightSnake
12/19/24 5:21:36 PM
#102:


Rika_Furude posted...
Wheres your proof discussions are over?

I'm genuinely asking: was it implemented yet?


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