Board 8 > RATE THE GAME - #84 - Shadow of the Colossus

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pezzicle posted...

youre not supposed to rush around youre supposed to just wander and see the environment

Yeah but the environment isn't interesting to look at

Paratroopa1 posted...

It has a WHAT

Yep!

https://www.metacritic.com/game/donkey-kong-64/

I mean you have to remember, it was a major technical accomplishment when it came out. Just not one you would want to play today at all.

Lopen posted...

Yeah but the environment isn't interesting to look at

hard disagree. I much prefer the original's art direction. The forbidden land looks "dead", abandoned and cursed just by looking at the surroundings. The entire focus of the game is based in how decrepit and abandoned the world is

I get the sense that a lot of people here didnt play this game when it came out and are thinking of the remake which changes a lot of the game

Yeah, I imagine DK64 got high scores for being a technical achievement

Speaking of games that would be a disconnect from its review scores:

Nominate Chrono Cross

pezzicle posted...

I get the sense that a lot of people here didnt play this game when it came out and are thinking of the remake which changes a lot of the game

Nah, I reckon the majority are basing it off the original.

GTA4 seems like the most obvious example of review score not matching current opinion I think but also I just dont know how much this board values GTA that much

I played the original PS2 version in 2012, which yes was several years after its release.

I've never played the remake ftr. I've seen bits and pieces cause my roommate played it but I played the PS2 version and I believe it was in 05? Maybe 06.

I mean I get that it looks dead intentionally but I'm kinda over the novelty of that by the time I find the first colossus

It's just not really interesting to me. I am someone who likes to take in scenery at times. I would rate Skyrim highly because it's fun to explore and just find random stuff in the massive world. But that also has biomes and dungeons and monsters to fight and stuff. It's not just a plodding trek from lightstick target to lightstick target.

Like if you're saying "that's the point" i guess I'm saying "the point wasn't for me" but there are reimaginations of this concept that aren't encumbered by a need to force taking in an environment down your throat and a clumsy control scheme that could actually be exciting to me. Like I find the concept of the game to be fascinating and wish we got it from a different developer.

I guess I just wouldnt rate the game then if it wasnt for me

fighting games arent for me. I played melee a bit, not for me.

didnt rate it because I get that type of game isnt for me and ranking it a 0 or 1 just feels super disingenuous

like half the games on this list I havent rated Ive played I just didnt really find all that appealing and dropped after a few hours. I just dont get why youd rate a game that you didnt even play

would you rate a tv show if you only watched the first 2-3 episodes?

I played the whole game though

Lopen posted...

I played the whole game though

why would you play thru the entire game of something youd turn around and rate a 0/10

are you a glutton for punishment lol

and I played melee for probably 20+ hours. Played a few games on here quite a bit. They werent for me though and I dropped them. I dont think they are bad games, just not for me this why I wouldnt rate them

5

Horse riding simulator aren't for me, I can see why it's loved but it's a no from me dawg

And also I think conceptually the game is absolutely for me

The idea of battling these massive impossible titans that loom over the battlefield sounds incredible

It's just "the art" as presented made it notfor me. At this point though I'm not sure it's being disingenuous. I am to forgive bad controls because they're used for storytelling? I'm to forgive bad pacing because it's used for storytelling? I'm to forgive repetitive bland environments because they're used for storytelling? Why? It's not the same as "I don't like fighting games" here.

I feel like there's a way for this game to exist conceptually without those things and be better.

I think it's fine to play a game 5-10 hours and rate it. You know what the game is at that point.

Playing a couple hours then rating is a bit of a stretch tho.(Unless it's literally a 3 hour game).

9

One of my favorite aspects is the ability to revisit the site of a previous battle and witness the remains of the fallen colossi. The way nature reclaims these enormous creatures, with moss and vines growing over them, makes it feel as though the battle took place centuries ago. It's hauntingly poetic, emphasizing the passage of time and the ephemeral nature of even the grandest of struggles.

Lopen posted...

And also I think conceptually the game is absolutely for me

The idea of battling these massive impossible titans that loom over the battlefield sounds incredible

It's just "the art" as presented made it notfor me. At this point though I'm not sure it's being disingenuous. I am to forgive bad controls because they're used for storytelling? I'm to forgive bad pacing because it's used for storytelling? I'm to forgive repetitive bland environments because they're used for storytelling? Why? It's not the same as "I don't like fighting games" here.

I feel like there's a way for this game to exist conceptually without those things and be better.

how is it not the same as fighting games?

I dont like the controls of fighting games. They are bad controls.

I dont like the blandness of the environments oftentimes and find the crux of the gameplay boring and uninteresting

There is nothing different about that then what you are saying about this game

Sorozone posted...

I think it's fine to play a game 5-10 hours and rate it. You know what the game is at that point.

Playing a couple hours then rating is a bit of a stretch tho.(Unless it's literally a 3 hour game).

I guess Id say in the instance you are rating your time with the game not the game because you didnt actually play the game.

SotC isn't an entire genre and is a lot more specific than "fighting games"

Like if you say those general sweeping statements about fighting games you're just.. an idiot. Like I'm not calling you an idiot because you're clearly just copy pasting what I said about SotC over onto fighters but yeah.

Like I played about 10-12 hours of persona 4. Not for me. Dont like the art or the gameplay or the juxtaposition of class time and dungeons.

its like a 100 hour game.

would I likely still not like it at hour 100? Ya probably, but I cant be for sure. Maybe something clicks after a certain point for me and changes my perspective on the game.

I dont in any way feel capable of rating something Ive seen maybe 10% of.

That would be like rating a tv show like the wire based off 4 episodes

Lopen posted...

SotC isn't an entire genre and is a lot more specific than "fighting games"

Like if you say those general sweeping statements about fighting games you're just.. an idiot. Like I'm not calling you an idiot because you're clearly just copy pasting what I said about SotC over onto fighters but yeah.

no youre def calling me an idiot.

so thats cool

not sure why Im an idiot for not liking fighting games but youre not for not liking sotc but alright

see ya

pezzicle posted...

I guess Id say in the instance you are rating your time with the game not the game because you didnt actually play the game.

pezzicle posted...

why would you play thru the entire game of something youd turn around and rate a 0/10

are you a glutton for punishment lol

This is why I disagree.

You can fairly rate and have an opinion on a game you didn't enjoy, as long as ample time was put into it. If there is nothing hooking you into the game whether it's a narrative hook, or gameplay hook, or the many other hooks a game can potentially have.

And like I said, in most cases, no game is going to drastically change it's hook after 5-10 hours.

pezzicle posted...

Like I played about 10-12 hours of persona 4. Not for me. Dont like the art or the gameplay or the juxtaposition of class time and dungeons.

its like a 100 hour game.

would I likely still not like it at hour 100? Ya probably, but I cant be for sure. Maybe something clicks after a certain point for me and changes my perspective on the game.

I dont in any way feel capable of rating something Ive seen maybe 10% of.

That would be like rating a tv show like the wire based off 4 episodes

I'm the same. That's why I haven't rated any game poorly on here. Any game I would rate poorly I haven't played for more than a few hours and therefore would not be able to give it a fair rating. I just say these games are not for me and move on.

I don't trust people giving a 0 score while still playing the whole game through. Because something must have kept them playing, I mean what did they think would change their mind in the last half or quarter of the game?

pezzicle posted...

Like I played about 10-12 hours of persona 4. Not for me. Dont like the art or the gameplay or the juxtaposition of class time and dungeons.

its like a 100 hour game.

would I likely still not like it at hour 100? Ya probably, but I cant be for sure. Maybe something clicks after a certain point for me and changes my perspective on the game.

I can safely say your opinion wouldn't change on more hours in P4, lol

We'll just agree to disagree.

With that being said there are still plenty of games that have been listed here that I have not rated because I didn't put enough hours into it.(Outer Wilds being one example)

Ok yeah then I guess I am because Fighting Games have massively diverse environments and control schemes. It's a dumb statement to make wholesale on a genre.

Also while I'd call environments subjective, most good fighting games are objectively not bad controls-- the level of mastery people regularly achieve over them basically says "no, they do exactly what they need to so you can play the game in a satisfying way"

Like controls are one of the strong points of fighters. It's a really weird thing to attack.

I think I said earlier I think of games like pizza and most would at least get a 6 from me

Devil May Cry 2 honestly might just be the Papa Johns of video games for all I know

pezzicle posted...

not sure why Im an idiot for not liking fighting games but youre not for not liking sotc but alright

It's the why (which I still don't believe-- I think you just copy pasted my SotC complaints and are digging your feet in when I called you on that) not that you don't.

Also it's funny I'm being attacked for this when I literally just skipped low rating Okami yesterday for not having played enough to rate.

Lopen posted...

Also it's funny I'm being attacked for this when I literally just skipped low rating Okami yesterday for not having played enough to rate.

I should start attacking all the people who didn't finish Elden Ring and rated it.

Lopen posted...

Also it's funny I'm being attacked for this when I literally just skipped low rating Okami yesterday for not having played enough to rate.

I def am not attacking you. Youre the one who called me an idiot mate lol

I dont agree with your perspective on the controls or the pacing or the environments and am stating as such

I dont think youre an idiot, nor did I call you one, yet you decided to call me one for not liking fighting games

I think your score is a bit hyperbolic because I, personally, would just never continue to play a 15-20 hour game that I continually thought was a ZERO out of 10. Thats asinine to me

I am perfectly fine with people rating games they've only put a very limited amount of time into, for the record. Hell, I'm fine with people rating games they haven't even played, as long as they've experienced it in some way.

I've personally abstained from anything I haven't played much of, but the right game for that scenario hasn't presented itself yet.

If Deadly Premonition comes up in this thing, you better believe I'll be there to give it a high score. If I had played Deadly Premonition, would I like it as much as I do from just watching it? Almost definitely not; that game seems like an absolute chore to actually slog through. But I also know all the beats and everything it has to offer, so I'm not going to just.... not give my opinion, even though it's skewed from not having to suffer because of its worst aspects.

Lopen posted...

Ok yeah then I guess I am because Fighting Games have massively diverse environments and control schemes. It's a dumb statement to make wholesale on a genre.

Also while I'd call environments subjective, most good fighting games are objectively not bad controls-- the level of mastery people regularly achieve over them basically says "no, they do exactly what they need to so you can play the game in a satisfying way"

Like controls are one of the strong points of fighters. It's a really weird thing to attack.

ya, and every game I played that was a fighting game I didnt like those things. I dont like the controls of fighting games. Whether they are good or not doesnt really apply because they arent good for me. Isnt a rating supposed to be based on your own engagement with the game?

cause thats the issue. Im an idiot for not liking the control of fighting games but you are.what? Not one because you didnt like the controls of SotC?

are we not seeing the issue here?

pezzicle posted...

I dont think youre an idiot, nor did I call you one, yet you decided to call me one for not liking fighting games

I called you one for saying you don't like fighting games because they all have bland environments and they all have bad controls

You can dislike fighting games fine and you don't need a reason even. If you pick a reason thats dumb though, I'm gonna call it such.

Anyway it's just the science. I looked at the games rated. I'd rather play Banjo Kazooie than this game. It had to be a 0 or 0.1. Also I finished it because I was hoping the colossi would get better to fight after the first few and the eventually I got foot in the doored.

I do honestly think you could safely rate this one (and most games, persona 4 included) after just a few hours though.

MrSmartGuy posted...

Hell, I'm fine with people rating games they haven't even played, as long as they've experienced it in some way.

Now this is where I'd draw the line, personally.

I get this stance, but it's just weird to me, even if it's something like a VN. There is just something more visceral with you personally playing, as opposed to watching.

if you're going to attack lopen, attack him for giving multiple games 0/10 and never using the 1/10 or 2/10 score

Lopen posted...

I called you one for saying you don't like fighting games because they all have bland environments and they all have bad controls

You can dislike fighting games fine and you don't need a reason even. If you pick a reason thats dumb though, I'm gonna call it such.

Anyway it's just the science. I looked at the games rated. I'd rather play Banjo Kazooie than this game. It had to be a 0 or 0.1. Also I finished it because I was hoping the colossi would get better to fight after the first few and the eventually I got foot in the doored.

I do honestly think you could safely rate this one (and most games, persona 4 included) after just a few hours though.

every fighting game Ive ever played Ive not liked the controls or the environments. The characters. Whatever. They arent for me.

I really dont think that makes me an idiot

pezzicle posted...

this I agree with but I also think mgs 2 might be the best game ever made

hell yeah brother

pezzicle posted...

ya, and every game I played that was a fighting game I didnt like those things. I dont like the controls of fighting games

I don't believe this. I think you dislike some aspect of fighting games such as the objective of them and are calling it the controls because you're digging your feet in.

Shadows of the Colossus is clunky. You are battling the controls. Like if you were to say "I don't like the controls of TNMT Tournament Fighter for the NES" that's fine. It is clunky.

Smash Melee is super responsive and easy though. What would you even dislike about the controls.

And then you compare it to Street Fighter 3 or Guilty Gear XX or Soul Calibur 2 and they all have wildly different control schemes from each other. And you dislike those too?

It's absurd.

MacArrowny posted...

1/10 or 2/10 score

I have games in mind that hit those they just haven't been rated yet

I refrain from scoring games if I didnt play enough to properly understand them. Now, I dont think you necessarily need to finish a game, but I certainly wouldnt think a few hours is enough. Like, as was said before I did not enjoy my time with Hollow Knight but I didnt play enough to feel comfortable rating it.

Sorry but what is absurd is that you dont believe me and completely dismiss my perspective on certain games and suggest Im digging my heels in while simultaneously giving a game a 0/10 and suggesting that you are completely allowed to do that (which, you are btw; Im not the one who is calling you an idiot though)

why is my perspective on something so stupid as to warrant being called an idiot but your perspective on this game totally fine? Which again. Your perspective is totally fine; Im not the one name calling here though

I feel like there is some sort of disconnect with this fighting game talk.

Fighting games in no way control the same. I feel like maybe you don't like how nuanced some fight games can be, or how precise they need to be to pull off certain combos. Which is fair. Some people don't want to put in the time to do frame perfect maneuvers, but like they all control just fine.

3.5/10

Pyre's post on the first page pretty much summed everything up for me, except I apparently had a much more frustrating time. Pandora's Tower did it better imhotbqh.

Not surprised this is the game that's getting reactions like "If you don't like SotC, video games might not be your thing." But if people didn't rate stuff that "isn't for them," as somebody suggested earlier, there would be no scores below like a 7 in these topics. It's a subjective medium, and if you don't like a game, then by definition it's not for you.

I feel weird rating a game I've only played for a few hours even if I'm pretty sure I think it's not getting better

I just don't think it's a sufficient experience unless it's something like a fighting game where you can essentially experience everything about it in a few hours

I don't necessarily agree with being willing to rate any game which you've played for any amount of time whatsoever, but I think it's reasonable as long as you feel you've given the game a fair shake, which I think can happen in a few hours or so--maybe depending on the specific game.

I don't think it applies to this topic series yet, but elsewhere I've given ratings to games I've only played for like 5 hours or so, and I have TV shows I've rated after as few as 3 episodes.

Edit: Also just for the record I will say that I finished Shadow of the Colossus

Explain why you don't like the controls of a few fighting games you've played.

It's just an absurd statement. You might as well say "I don't like the controls in video games as a whole"

Like I dont know why you're having trouble distinguishing a complaint about the controls of one game vs a complaint about the controls of an entire genre.

Sorozone posted...

I feel like there is some sort of disconnect where with this fighting game talk.

Fighting games in no way control the same. I feel like maybe you don't like how nuanced some fight games can be, or how precise they need to be to pull off certain combos. Which is fair. Some people don't want to put in the time to do frame perfect maneuvers, but like they all control just fine.

this is likely a better way of putting it, yes

but to me it doesnt control well because I cant get it to do what I want it to do.

isnt that the exact same as fighting the controls that lopen is referring to in SotC? I didnt fight the controls in that game. Ever. It controls just fine. To me.

I fight the controls in fighting games all the time though. Guess that makes me an idiot

Lopen posted...

Explain why you don't like the controls of a few fighting games you've played.

It's just an absurd statement. You might as well say "I don't like the controls in video games as a whole"

Like I dont know why you're having trouble distinguishing a complaint about the controls of one game vs a complaint about the controls of an entire genre.

ive said numerous times any fighting game Ive played

im not sure why youre having a hard time understanding that Ive not played every single fighting game

8.

It was a good experience, but it was definitely a one-and-done experience. I played the PS2 version, and it was the game that convinced me that we needed a new console.