Poll of the Day > Who wins today?

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Biden killed this economy and wasted our money.

Horrible president. I'm glad he will be gone.

All their lies don't matter now. Trump won.

Fucks sake.

So they will never let a woman run again, right?

HValle posted...

Fucks sake.

So they will never let a woman run again, right?

Only old white men allowed in America.

adjl posted...

Unlikely. One of the hallmarks of fascism is that your opponents are both powerful enough to be feared and dangerous (like orchestrating a grand conspiracy to undermine an election), but also weak enough to be unfit to be in charge of anything. I can virtually guarantee that the narrative will be "they tried to steal the election again, but this time we were strong enough to beat them."

Every country in the world is seeing significant rises in the costs of living. Do you think Biden is somehow responsible for all of those as well? Or could that possibly be a consequence of the massive global public health crisis that happened four years ago and profoundly disrupted every aspect of the economy?

Heck, even more than Covid, you can directly point the finger at a handful of corporations for driving this "inflation," as they've jacked up their prices to keeping chasing Covid highs or artificially give themselves a few better quarters to offset having lost money during Covid. Gas prices spiked when the war started in Ukraine not because the war disrupted supply chains and drove up the price of oil (the price of oil remained roughly the same, in fact), but because the oil industry was still reeling from that period a couple years prior where nobody drove for six months and felt enough people would buy the excuse of blaming the war that they could get away with it. That's had cascading effects on the prices of everything, and other corporations providing essential services have milked that for everything they can to let them brag about record profits then in the same breath deliver some sob story about how they have to increase their prices and indulge in mass layoffs because that's the only way to keep up.

If anything, Biden has made significant efforts to keep that in check, particularly with the bill to stop oil companies from price gouging, but that bill was unanimously shut down by the GOP. Trump promising to "make everything cheaper" is just him saying what people want to hear, not anything that's likely to result in meaningful improvements to the cost of living. To actually achieve that, he'd either have to do something to force major corporations to accept making less money (which the GOP will *never* do unless there's some performative element to it like DeSantis punishing Disney for voicing disapproval of his anti-LGBTQ policies), roll out some massive subsidies (which isn't really the GOP's thing in general and will require either increasing taxes or slashing services), or relax regulations to such a degree that you'll need to send every box of Cheerios you buy to an independent lab for testing to make sure they aren't half asbestos (and even if that happens, there's a very high chance corporations will pocket the savings instead of passing them on to consumers).

Yes, the cost of living sucks, and I fully understand the temptation to blame whoever's in charge for that, but the only thing the person in charge can do is take steps to protect citizens from corporate greed. The Democrats often don't actually achieve that beyond a few performative gestures to support the narrative that they're trying to take care of people (across the board, the government is filled with enough rich people that policies that benefit the general population at the expense of the wealthy are rare because they go against everyone's personal interests), but Republicans don't even make that pretense because they've been overtly pro-corporation in pretty much every way since Reagan. There's no reason to expect Trump to be any different.

Indeed. A boring president is actually pretty ideal. Sure, they don't rock the boat and make everything better in radical ways, and sometimes they need a kick in the pants from more radical opposition to take bigger steps that need taking, but they also don't make things worse in radical ways. Unfortunately, boring presidential candidates have a hard time competing with loud, flamboyant ones that lean on populist rhetoric to excite voters because people tend to base their votes on who's caught their interest.

Biden screwed himself on day one hampering the production of our oil/energy. Which drove up a worldwide cost/demand of energy, combined with low supply of production/everything else thanks to covid and you magically get runaway inflation, which was what we had for two years and it's only slowed...

It wasn't that Biden was a boring president, more so he was a scripted one for the bureaucratic state, being used until that debate exposed the whole coverup and nuked that false movement from the '24 presidential race in a matter of weeks.

People will remember that one for all time and are now simply tired of the bulls***.

We need to be hampering oil and energy production a lot more than we are now because of climate change.

VioletZer0 posted...

We need to be hampering oil and energy production a lot more than we are now because of climate change.

Actually boost it. Boost it massively.
This crashes the price of oil, which makes Russia lose money faster. Win Win. The planet is doomed anyways, we are already in a runaway greenhouse effect. Nothing more to do.

It's actually not too late.

VioletZer0 posted...

We need to be hampering oil and energy production a lot more than we are now because of climate change.

Be sure and get China/India to do that first or it doesn't matter in the end anyways...

Brasen posted...

Be sure and get China/India to do that first or it doesn't matter in the end anyways...

The US is the world superpower, we can do that if we wanted.

US pollution per capita is still way bigger than both.

VioletZer0 posted...

The US is the world superpower, we can do that if we wanted.

US pollution per capita is still way bigger than both.

We can do what exactly, just wing off of oil without an efficient alternative? No we cannnot.
Maybe if we were/had been invested in nuclear. That is the only alternative that can possibly meet the energy demands without completely screwing up the world economy, as we have seen as self-evident over the last few years.

Yes we can, and should have.

VioletZer0 posted...

Yes we can, and should have.

That isn't an argument.

VioletZer0 posted...

Yes we can, and should have.

America can't even manage to not elect a criminal dictator. How could they possibly manage to transition to nuclear power over night?

What we should have done a long time ago is kill energy production and tell the population to suck up the negative effects.

VioletZer0 posted...

The US is the world superpower, we can do that if we wanted.

US pollution per capita is still way bigger than both.

One more thing on this point. It's extremely misleading. Per capita is only used to make China/India look good due to their huge population.

Pollution per country is the correct statistic for this argument:
In 2023, the world's largest greenhouse gas (GHG) emitters were China, the United States, India, the EU27, Russia, and Brazil. These countries accounted for 62.7% of the world's GHG emissions

VioletZer0 posted...

What we should have done a long time ago is kill energy production and tell the population to suck up the negative effects.

There's no way this would work now, people live way too comfortably and don't want to be bothered.

If a president tried doing this now the other party (i.e. the Republicans) would have a field day talking about how they will return to freedom by going back to the old system. The president's own party (i.e. the Democrats) probably wouldn't even allow it to happen because they know what the political result would be.

FrozenBananas posted...

you sound like you been watching a lot of Fox News lol.

the economy was already ruined before Biden because of stupid fucking Trump

You sound like you been watching media in general which are spreading lies left in right lol.

No it got much worse under Biden bud. He wasted a shit ton of our money that he couldn't even help people here...

Good bye Biden.

Brasen posted...

Biden screwed himself on day one hampering the production of our oil/energy.

https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/biden-administration-oil-gas-drilling-approvals-outpace-trumps-2023-01-24/

Literally the first result for "number of oil projects approved biden vs trump." Biden did not, in fact, kill oil production, as much as people love to cling to and parrot the belief that he did. Biden did approve fewer federal leases for new oil production, but the effects of that won't be affecting domestic or global oil supply for another few years because that's just how these things work (getting from the land lease to the point of actually being able to sell oil from the land takes several years). Certainly, nothing Biden did "day one" can be blamed for the spike in gas prices a year later.

Again, the price of gas skyrocketed in Feburary 2022, but the price of oil remained roughly the same. That should tell you it had nothing to do with oil supply issues, whether globally or domestically. That was 100% a matter of the oil/gas industry saying "an oil-producing country just started a war and is facing trade sanctions, people will believe that gas prices are spiking because of that" and hiding behind that excuse to rake in massive profits. Biden doesn't control gas prices, especially when the efforts he could have made to bring them down were blocked by the entire GOP voting against the bill.

Brasen posted...

Per capita is only used to make China/India look good due to their huge population.

Per capita stats acknowledge that having more people inevitably means more emissions. If a country's per capita rate is higher than average, that means they have room to improve the emissions associated with each person. If a country's per capita rate is below average but their total production is high, the only real solution is to start killing people off, and that's obviously ridiculous (especially when killing people off in a country with a higher per capita rate would yield a greater return per murder).

adjl posted...

https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/biden-administration-oil-gas-drilling-approvals-outpace-trumps-2023-01-24/

Literally the first result for "number of oil projects approved biden vs trump." Biden did not, in fact, kill oil production, as much as people love to cling to and parrot the belief that he did. Biden did approve fewer federal leases for new oil production, but the effects of that won't be affecting domestic or global oil supply for another few years because that's just how these things work (getting from the land lease to the point of actually being able to sell oil from the land takes several years). Certainly, nothing Biden did "day one" can be blamed for the spike in gas prices a year later.

Again, the price of gas skyrocketed in Feburary 2022, but the price of oil remained roughly the same. That should tell you it had nothing to do with oil supply issues, whether globally or domestically. That was 100% a matter of the oil/gas industry saying "an oil-producing country just started a war and is facing trade sanctions, people will believe that gas prices are spiking because of that" and hiding behind that excuse to rake in massive profits. Biden doesn't control gas prices, especially when the efforts he could have made to bring them down were blocked by the entire GOP voting against the bill.

Per capita stats acknowledge that having more people inevitably means more emissions. If a country's per capita rate is higher than average, that means they have room to improve the emissions associated with each person. If a country's per capita rate is below average but their total production is high, the only real solution is to start killing people off, and that's obviously ridiculous (especially when killing people off in a country with a higher per capita rate would yield a greater return per murder).

Day One: Executive Order 13990
After two years into office Biden's admin started reversing position and approving more yes.

We were talking about pollution output concerning climate warming. Doesn't matter if there are 300 or 4 billion people living in China, that society accounts for a large portion of the current global emissions.

I have a question that might be dumb but

What's with the concern?

I know everyone's story is different, but when I look back at 2016 and how "things" were, I remember things being good. Obviously that was eight years ago, but big picture... 2015 I got my first job out of college and got a promotion with a new company right around election day 2016. I had a pay raise, made more than enough to save money every paycheck, was living alone, and looking at money to buy a house.

Pre-COVID, things were great. Obviously that threw a wrench in things. I didn't end up buying due to the uncertainty, but was able to buy in 2023.

Anyways. When I look back at pre-COVID 2016-2019... things were awesome.

Today, though my life is still great (covid actually got me fully remote which allowed me to expand the house search radius)... there are two significant wars underway, inflation blew up from all the money printing and PPP fraud, etc...

So my ask is, what's with the concern? Democracy is dead, we're never going to get to vote again, etc...? Based on 2016-2020's sample size, I don't understand why everyone is so scared that that will become reality when it didn't happen four years ago.

I did not vote for Trump by the way. Figure I have to say that since this sounds like a very pro-trump post when it's really not. Just an objective comparison to my life today vs. 2016-2020

Brasen posted...

After two years

That's not what "In the first two years" means. In his first two years, Biden approved more drilling than Trump did in his first two years. To attribute any changes in the global oil market in those first two years to any of Biden's decisions is impossible without completely ignoring reality.

Brasen posted...

Day One: Executive Order 13990

Cancelled one pipeline out of thousands, stopped leasing in one region out of dozens (notably, stopping leasing is not the same as stopping drilling and the actual impact on oil supply of that decision likely hasn't been realized yet), and a couple other vague commitments to making sensible environmental decisions moving forward that wouldn't had had any immediate impacts. Yeah, I'm sure that had lots to do with gas prices spiking a year later with no commensurate increase in the price of oil. That's a much more plausible theory than just blaming greedy oil executives.

Brasen posted...

We were talking about pollution output concerning climate warming. Doesn't matter if there are 300 or 4 billion people living in China, that society accounts for a large portion of the current global emissions.

Did... did you seriously just suggest that China's GHG output would be the same regardless of how many people lived there?

Well the truth is no one really knows what will happen. But the fact that this is something that people are worrying about really says a lot. Lately in ads and speeches, etc. Trump seems to be seeing how far he's able to push the limit to see what he can get away with. I do think Trump is like a political mascot and he talks a lot of shit for attention and engagement, but he has allies who are legitimately interested in implementing extremist policies.

And approved leasing is not the same as continued drilling or willful investment. In 2020-2021 US oil production was down.

And no I did not suggest anything about China's way of life/habits and/or how different depending on how many lived there. That is irrelevant. The statistic that matters concerning climate warming was/is their total emissions output.

Nobody won. We all lost, ok?

Apparently Americans have no interest in ranked choice voting. Every state that had ballot measure to implement ranked choice voting said No or No is winning (DC is the exception), and Alaska is voting to outright repeal it.

I'm not sure why you'd be against having more election choice, but whatever

Aculo posted...

Nobody won. We all lost, ok?

https://youtu.be/YRw522To5aU?t=265

God I love New Vegas, ok?

Cupcake2006 posted...

I have a question that might be dumb but

What's with the concern?

I know everyone's story is different, but when I look back at 2016 and how "things" were, I remember things being good. Obviously that was eight years ago, but big picture... 2015 I got my first job out of college and got a promotion with a new company right around election day 2016. I had a pay raise, made more than enough to save money every paycheck, was living alone, and looking at money to buy a house.

Pre-COVID, things were great. Obviously that threw a wrench in things. I didn't end up buying due to the uncertainty, but was able to buy in 2023.

Anyways. When I look back at pre-COVID 2016-2019... things were awesome.

Today, though my life is still great (covid actually got me fully remote which allowed me to expand the house search radius)... there are two significant wars underway, inflation blew up from all the money printing and PPP fraud, etc...

So my ask is, what's with the concern? Democracy is dead, we're never going to get to vote again, etc...? Based on 2016-2020's sample size, I don't understand why everyone is so scared that that will become reality when it didn't happen four years ago.

I did not vote for Trump by the way. Figure I have to say that since this sounds like a very pro-trump post when it's really not. Just an objective comparison to my life today vs. 2016-2020

You might be on to something here. It's almost like the media and Democrats have continously exaggerated the negatives of 2016-2020 for short term political gain. Huh.

CheatumDaMidget posted...

You might be on to something here. It's almost like the media and Democrats have continously exaggerated the negatives of 2016-2020 for short term political gain. Huh.

or you're ignoring other people that don't have rose-tinted glasses regarding those years

3rd time voting for trump. extremely happy this morning. glad that most of america sees the light now.

the real world isn't social media. hollywood is irrelevant. the mainstream media is just a tool for the corrupt left. next 4 years will be affordable peace.

Brasen posted...

And approved leasing is not the same as continued drilling or willful investment.

Approved drilling is continued drilling, and that's where Biden's first two years were higher than Trump's (mostly because it was drilling that was being approved on land Trump's administration had already leased). Lease approvals are what are down over the course of Biden's administration, and there's a lag of a few years between leases and drilling that means the actual effects of that reduction hadn't even begun to be felt in 2022.

Brasen posted...

In 2020-2021 US oil production was down.

Production of pretty much everything was down in 20-21. The world was experiencing the worst public health crisis in a century, with profound impacts on all levels of the economy. Notably with oil, demand was much lower with fewer people driving (hence those magnificently low gas prices in March-June 2020), which meant everybody scaled back production a bit to match. That's nothing Biden did, that's just basic economics.

Also, once again, the price of oil did not increase when gas prices spiked in early 2022. I don't know how I can make it any clearer that that was not the result of market forces.

Brasen posted...

And no I did not suggest anything about China's way of life/habits and/or how different depending on how many lived there. That is irrelevant. The statistic that matters concerning climate warming was/is their total emissions output.

So what do you propose China should do to reduce their total emissions output, if we're going with the logic that only the total matters and not any sort of per capita measure?

Damn_Underscore posted...

Well the truth is no one really knows what will happen. But the fact that this is something that people are worrying about really says a lot. Lately in ads and speeches, etc. Trump seems to be seeing how far he's able to push the limit to see what he can get away with. I do think Trump is like a political mascot and he talks a lot of shit for attention and engagement, but he has allies who are legitimately interested in implementing extremist policies.

Everything about his presidency has just been an ego boost. He's saying and doing things that he expects will make people like him because he likes the attention. I actually have no idea where he stands personally on pretty much any issue, just that he's identified that some very bad people are easy sources of that attention because they don't usually get other people validating them.

para_medic posted...

3rd time voting for trump. extremely happy this morning. glad that most of america sees the light now.

the real world isn't social media. hollywood is irrelevant. the mainstream media is just a tool for the corrupt left. next 4 years will be affordable

the mainstream media loves trump and the next 4 years will not be affordable.

Damn_Underscore posted...

Apparently Americans have no interest in ranked choice voting. Every state that had ballot measure to implement ranked choice voting said No or No is winning (DC is the exception), and Alaska is voting to outright repeal it.

I'm not sure why you'd be against having more election choice, but whatever

I would love ranked choice voting, I would spend all day at the polls writing in as many names as I could over the 2 parties

ReturnOfFa posted...

the mainstream media loves trump and the next 4 years will not be affordable.

youre insane if you think that. both points. the msm did everything in their power to stop his presidency

Damn_Underscore posted...

Apparently Americans have no interest in ranked choice voting. Every state that had ballot measure to implement ranked choice voting said No or No is winning (DC is the exception), and Alaska is voting to outright repeal it.

I'm not sure why you'd be against having more election choice, but whatever

My guess is the majority of people don't understand it.

Maybe now that Trump is elected that bipartisan border bill will finally get passed. You know, since he's not in the way any more to stop it. Or it will just get forgotten.

Well fuck

para_medic posted...

youre insane if you think that. both points. the msm did everything in their power to stop his presidency

Can you name the #1 news network in the USA for me and we can continue this conversation from there?

para_medic posted...

youre insane if you think that. both points. the msm did everything in their power to stop his presidency

Did they? Or did they just publish articles painting him in a controversial light, knowing that those articles would draw significant amounts of traffic and therefore ad revenue?

The agenda that most benefits the media is the agenda that produces the most controversial news that generates the most traffic. In that regard, Trump is every news outlet's dream, regardless of their political leanings. He's walking clickbait.

adjl posted...

Approved drilling is continued drilling, and that's where Biden's first two years were higher than Trump's (mostly because it was drilling that was being approved on land Trump's administration had already leased). Lease approvals are what are down over the course of Biden's administration, and there's a lag of a few years between leases and drilling that means the actual effects of that reduction hadn't even begun to be felt in 2022.

Production of pretty much everything was down in 20-21. The world was experiencing the worst public health crisis in a century, with profound impacts on all levels of the economy. Notably with oil, demand was much lower with fewer people driving (hence those magnificently low gas prices in March-June 2020), which meant everybody scaled back production a bit to match. That's nothing Biden did, that's just basic economics.

Also, once again, the price of oil did not increase when gas prices spiked in early 2022. I don't know how I can make it any clearer that that was not the result of market forces.

So what do you propose China should do to reduce their total emissions output, if we're going with the logic that only the total matters and not any sort of per capita measure?

Everything about his presidency has just been an ego boost. He's saying and doing things that he expects will make people like him because he likes the attention. I actually have no idea where he stands personally on pretty much any issue, just that he's identified that some very bad people are easy sources of that attention because they don't usually get other people validating them.

Drilling or approval wasn't higher in the first two years. Oil and energy costs across the board was up and output was down because of this. The initial limiting of contracts and cancelling projects lowered output even during a time where energy consumption was at a low point due to covid as you stated yes. That makes the decision by Biden even worse. Oil had no reason to go up other than there being no supply/production to warrant the need.

I'm not the one trying to ask, tell, or change China's output here lol. You are just completely misunderstanding the argument between me and the other poster this subject was in response to. I was merely making the observation that cutting off our own energy production and/or usage for global climate change isn't going to do anything when taking into account the emissions from the REST of the world.

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CheatumDaMidget posted...

You might be on to something here. It's almost like the media and Democrats have continously exaggerated the negatives of 2016-2020 for short term political gain. Huh.

This is true. The media has made Trump out to be a boogyman with their lies so people fear him.

Fire_Emblem_ posted...

This is true. The media has made Trump out to be a boogyman with their lies so people fear him.

he does nothing. Literally nothing and when he does something its usually rambling nonsense at morons who spent hundreds of dollars on trump products

again this guy ran a campaign on immigrants are coming to eat your pets and not much else

yet the average Americans believe foreigners will be breaking down the door to turn Fido into a doggy sandwich

with no proof that was happening to begin with

JD Vance even admitted they fabricated the story and maga still accepted that garbage

NightMareBunny posted...

he does nothing. Literally nothing and when he does something its usually rambling nonsense at morons who spent hundreds of dollars on trump products

again this guy ran a campaign on immigrants are coming to eat your pets and not much else

yet the average Americans believe foreigners will be breaking down the door to turn Fido into a doggy sandwich

with no proof that was happening to begin with

JD Vance even admitted they fabricated the story and maga still accepted that garbage

Where did JD Vance admit it was fabricated?

You think Kamala is better? She just laughs at every problem. Lol

Fire_Emblem_ posted...

Where did JD Vance admit it was fabricated?

You think Kamala is better? She just laughs at every problem. Lol

Vances remarks came during an appearance on Sunday on CNNs State of the Union, where he said he felt the need to create stories so that the media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people.
Asked by the CNN host Dana Bash whether the false rumors centering on Springfield, Ohio, were a story that you created, Vance replied, Yes!

it's wild that you and people like you just straight up don't pay attention and then try to scream that what their people said isnt what they said.

Fire_Emblem_ posted...

Where did JD Vance admit it was fabricated?

You think Kamala is better? She just laughs at every problem. Lol

Meanwhile trump only makes problems he doesnt fix them

Someone on Reddit said that Kamala never really had a campaign. He said her campaign was pretty much Vote for me or you hate womens rights, you dont care about minorities, you hate the lgbtq, etc. where as Trumps campaign was mostly Vote for me and Ill fix the economy.

The difference being that she focused on how things will be if you dont vote for her, and he focused on how things will be better if you do vote for him. Which I found interesting.

(I also want to add that Im politically neutral and voted for neither, and have no horse at all in this race. In my opinion you cant trust any politician. This is just an observation I saw on Reddit)

Fire_Emblem_ posted...

Where did JD Vance admit it was fabricated?

You think Kamala is better? She just laughs at every problem. Lol

"If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do." - JD Vance

I hope Democrats get the U.S. House of Reps majority. I think the perfect scenario is Republicans controlling the White House and one of the Congressional houses, and Democrats with the majority in the other. I don't want one party to get too much power. Republicans are generally the better choice, but they definitely have their faults.

AstroBot posted...
(I also want to add that Im politically neutral and voted for neither, and have no horse at all in this race. In my opinion you cant trust any politician. This is just an observation I saw on Reddit)

I like to consider myself neutral, but I'm probably more of a conservative with some liberal tendencies. LOL