Current Events > Squad member Rashida Tlaib declines to endorse Kamala Harris at Michigan rally

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creativerealms
11/02/24 10:36:52 AM
#51:


Scardude posted...
The electoral college was created to prevent a candidate like trump. Now let's see if they will go ahead and reverse their mandate from creation.
And yet in it's current state it's causing the likes of Trump to win.

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Tyranthraxus
11/02/24 10:37:36 AM
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LeTigre posted...
oh thats a relief.

here I was thinking that she refused to call it a genocide and said the biggest tragedy was Oct 7th.
Just because she has not done those things on camera does not mean she has not done those things.

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cjsdowg
11/02/24 10:43:02 AM
#53:


LeTigre posted...
oh thats a relief.

here I was thinking that she refused to call it a genocide and said the biggest tragedy was Oct 7th.

See this is something that I can't stand . Why are they trying to act like she isn't doing it. Just say yes she is doing this all of actions show this. Her and Biden not giving a damn when American Reports are shot in the head and the Aid workers are bombed and places or worship are blown to bits. Shows this . But she isn't Trump and is better for Americans. I would support them more if they did that.

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LeTigre
11/02/24 10:47:10 AM
#54:


cjsdowg posted...
See this is something that I can't stand . Why are they trying to act like she isn't doing it. Just say yes she is doing this all of actions show this. Her and Biden not giving a damn when American Reports are shot in the head and the Aid workers are bombed and places or worship are blown to bits. Shows this . But she isn't Trump and is better for Americans. I would support them more if they did that.

Its hard to feel morally superior if the candidate you feverishly support is complicit in genocide, I suppose.


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CARRRNE_ASADA
11/02/24 10:50:17 AM
#55:


CyricZ posted...
Boy I hope no one is surprised, shocked, or disappointed.

Anyone who asks Rep. Tlaib to endorse Kamala Harris is doing so as a purity check.

I understand this, but who do you think she's gonna vote for.


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Dancedreamer
11/02/24 10:53:15 AM
#56:


There are candidates who support Gaza for one reason, and one reason only: To play spoiler and get Trump elected. They don't care about Gaza. Not even a little bit. They make promises they know they'll never have to keep. Which makes it all the more disgusting that Butch Ware came out for a 16-week abortion ban, and against trans people. So much for pushing the left 'left'. Jill Stein has no plan for getting Netanyahu to stop bombing Gaza. She has no plan for anything. Because she doesn't have any interest in winning.

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Nok_Su_Kow
11/02/24 10:54:27 AM
#57:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Saying Harris supports genocide is literally Russian disinformation. Bob Woodward leaked her conversation with netanyahu and she does not like him at all. Israel's propaganda news Network is broadcasting that she's a terrorist sympathizer over there. The actual Gazans want her to win.

Can Bob Woodward also leak BB's conversation with Trump? I'd like to know what promises he made to him for continuing to refuse a ceasefire.
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LeTigre
11/02/24 10:58:50 AM
#58:


Dancedreamer posted...
There are candidates who support Gaza for one reason, and one reason only: To play spoiler and get Trump elected. They don't care about Gaza. Not even a little bit. They make promises they know they'll never have to keep. Which makes it all the more disgusting that Butch Ware came out for a 16-week abortion ban, and against trans people. So much for pushing the left 'left'. Jill Stein has no plan for getting Netanyahu to stop bombing Gaza. She has no plan for anything. Because she doesn't have any interest in winning.

weird thing to say in a topic about a candidate that has been more critical of Trump than anyone in the Harris campaign but do you I suppose.


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DippinSauce
11/02/24 11:40:53 AM
#59:


nocturnal_traveler posted...
She does realize that the US is on the verge of becoming a fascist nation, right? Wait until that threat is gone, then next election, go all out on endorsing a more progressive candidate.

It's always the next election for you people.

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nocturnal_traveler
11/02/24 11:42:48 AM
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DippinSauce posted...
It's always the next election for you people.
Because our two party system is built that way. At some point the people themselves need to start taking responsibility, and stop expecting others to make changes for them.

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Kain_Highwind
11/02/24 11:44:25 AM
#61:


nocturnal_traveler posted...
Because our two party system is built that way. At some point the people themselves need to start taking responsibility, and stop expecting others to make changes for them.
So what happens next election when the dems move even further right and the republicans nominate another fascist? Just wait until the election after that to endorse someone else?

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LeTigre
11/02/24 11:45:08 AM
#62:


nocturnal_traveler posted...
Because our two party system is built that way. At some point the people themselves need to start taking responsibility, and stop expecting others to make changes for them.

wait are you endorsing not voting for Harris now? Im confused.

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LightSnake
11/02/24 11:48:04 AM
#63:


Kain_Highwind posted...
So what happens next election when the dems move even further right and the republicans nominate another fascist? Just wait until the election after that to endorse someone else?

It's so weird when these people claim Dems keep moving to the right. Just total fantasy world

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Diceheist
11/02/24 11:52:53 AM
#64:


LightSnake posted...


It's so weird when these people claim Dems keep moving to the right. Just total fantasy world

Dems as a party have moved left over the years, but the reason for the opposite perception is:

- many Dem candidates have backed off of less popular proposals from their pasts such as defund the police, bail reform, border relaxation, medicare for all, cis/trans sports integration, etc.

- Harris messaging shifting from liberal targeted to centrist targeted.

- various entities the Dems support like Israel lurching far-right.

There is no right-ward shift in terms of substance but there's an opitical illusion at play.
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Tmaster148
11/02/24 11:59:19 AM
#65:


Kain_Highwind posted...
So what happens next election when the dems move even further right and the republicans nominate another fascist? Just wait until the election after that to endorse someone else?

Maybe take part in elections other than just the presidential race every 4 years. Young voters by far do not turn up to vote and therefore politicians don't favor policies that young people want since it doesn't win elections.

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nocturnal_traveler
11/02/24 12:02:53 PM
#66:


Kain_Highwind posted...
So what happens next election when the dems move even further right and the republicans nominate another fascist? Just wait until the election after that to endorse someone else?
To reiterate, at some point the people themselves need to start taking responsibility. The Dems aren't going to change. They're too obsessed with the status quo. Scaring them with a Republican victory will only help the Republicans. And if they win, nothing short of a revolution will fix it.

Fighting a two way battle is the right idea, but it's being poorly executed. You need to be keeping Republicans out, while pushing Progressives in. But to even start that, they need more airtime so the average American knows who they actually are.

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nocturnal_traveler
11/02/24 12:08:36 PM
#67:


LeTigre posted...
wait are you endorsing not voting for Harris now? Im confused.
I'm endorsing fighting fascism, while at the same time endorsing a strategy that would actually work. See post #66.

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Tyranthraxus
11/02/24 12:16:12 PM
#68:


Nok_Su_Kow posted...
Can Bob Woodward also leak BB's conversation with Trump? I'd like to know what promises he made to him for continuing to refuse a ceasefire.

Bob Woodward is an honest journalist so if he hasn't released it, it means he doesn't have it.

But IDK what more you need to know about Trump / Bibi relations other than Bibi annexed the Golan heights from Palestine and then gave it to Trump so he could build a resort.

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gu-gohan
11/02/24 12:42:58 PM
#70:


nocturnal_traveler posted...
She does realize that the US is on the verge of becoming a fascist nation, right? Wait until that threat is gone, then next election, go all out on endorsing a more progressive candidate.


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aarrgus
11/02/24 12:44:04 PM
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She's useless.

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Dio
11/02/24 1:01:33 PM
#73:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Saying Harris supports genocide is literally Russian disinformation. Bob Woodward leaked her conversation with netanyahu and she does not like him at all. Israel's propaganda news Network is broadcasting that she's a terrorist sympathizer over there. The actual Gazans want her to win.

Kamala has a history of bending the knee to Israel. Her campaign has made it clear they do not support or care about arabic voters.

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Dancedreamer
11/02/24 1:04:03 PM
#74:


LeTigre posted...
weird thing to say in a topic about a candidate that has been more critical of Trump than anyone in the Harris campaign but do you I suppose.

That's hilarious.

Jill Stein hasn't been critical of Trump at all. And I notice you ignore the anti-trans stuff coming out of Butch Ware's mouth. Or the anti-abortion stuff. Her campaign all but stated that their goal is to make Harris lose. Gee, who wins if she loses? I wonder.

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Kain_Highwind
11/02/24 1:07:03 PM
#75:


Dancedreamer posted...
That's hilarious.

Jill Stein hasn't been critical of Trump at all. And I notice you ignore the anti-trans stuff coming out of Butch Ware's mouth. Or the anti-abortion stuff. Her campaign all but stated that their goal is to make Harris lose. Gee, who wins if she loses? I wonder.
nobody but you brought up jill stein


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legendary_zell
11/02/24 1:08:18 PM
#76:


No one would be questioning this if they were part of the group being killed. This is what you would expect. The only reason this isn't happening far more is that both parties are awful on this issue and Trump is a fascist.

If I was a Palestinian myself, I genuinely couldn't imagine going into the voting booth and pulling the lever for either of these candidates knowing they both support my death, just at different speeds. Trump being worse doesn't change the fact that they're both far far far below the threshold of earning a vote.

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Takuya_Lee
11/02/24 1:10:16 PM
#78:


nocturnal_traveler posted...
She does realize that the US is on the verge of becoming a fascist nation, right? Wait until that threat is gone, then next election, go all out on endorsing a more progressive candidate.

Freedom of speech. Also it's actually more that the country is on the verge of civil war. Blue states won't take any fascist behavior lying down.

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Daremo
11/02/24 1:12:58 PM
#79:


How dare a politician have principles! That's not how American politics work!

But maybe it should be.

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Kradek
11/02/24 1:18:17 PM
#80:


I'm not surprised, and I understand her reasoning, I just wish this wasn't being established the weekend before the election. It'd be better if this happened months ago and whenever a reporter asked currently she'd just say "I already answered that, just look up where I stand and ask me new questions". And yes I know she also trashed Trump far more virulently.

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nocturnal_traveler
11/02/24 1:20:22 PM
#81:


Takuya_Lee posted...
Freedom of speech. Also it's actually more that the country is on the verge of civil war. Blue states won't take any fascist behavior lying down.
While I don't think a civil war will happen, I do think right wing terrorism is here to stay.

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LeTigre
11/02/24 1:50:38 PM
#82:


Dancedreamer posted...
That's hilarious.

Jill Stein hasn't been critical of Trump at all. And I notice you ignore the anti-trans stuff coming out of Butch Ware's mouth. Or the anti-abortion stuff. Her campaign all but stated that their goal is to make Harris lose. Gee, who wins if she loses? I wonder

Hi, youre weird. Dont be weird.

This topic is about Tlaib.


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Umbreon
11/02/24 2:01:33 PM
#83:


Takuya_Lee posted...
Freedom of speech.

Won't be much of a thing anymore if Trump wins. He's already on record for stating that people who criticize the Supreme Court judges should be arrested.


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RoosterGold
11/02/24 2:05:24 PM
#84:


Irony posted...
Not endorsing her is indirectly endorsing Trump

Yup

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Dancedreamer
11/02/24 2:05:51 PM
#85:


LeTigre posted...
Hi, youre weird. Dont be weird.

Hi, I'm LGBT. I'm quite happy to fall outside the norm, thank you very much.

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gu-gohan
11/02/24 2:12:43 PM
#86:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Sorry, but good politicians need to see the bigger picture.

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LeTigre
11/02/24 2:19:15 PM
#87:


Dancedreamer posted...
Hi, I'm LGBT. I'm quite happy to fall outside the norm, thank you very much.

fun! Im trans!

that doesnt give either of us the excuse to just make shit up in this topic.

No one is talking about the Green Party other than you.

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Kradek
11/02/24 2:27:35 PM
#88:


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One of my progressive pundits, Dean Obeidallah, is half Palestinian and half Sicilian, whose grandmother had her house stolen in the West Bank by Israeli settlers, and he's still stressing how important it is to vote for Harris to prevent Trump. He's also obviously sympathetic to those who have directly lost family members and understands why they could never vote for anybody in the Biden admin. I don't know if Tlaib has personally lost family members and she almost definitely has constituents who have so she may be speaking on their behalf, just saying merely being Palestinian does not mean you are incapable of still endorsing Harris, especially as a message for stopping what Trump wants to bring. And yes he has been very vocally active and critical about how Biden has been handling Gaza and his disappointment on Harris going more towards that when she initially stood out as far better in both advocating for a ceasfire before Biden and using terminology that humanizes Palestinians and their right to determination during the DNC that no Dem has ever used before.

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teep_
11/02/24 2:28:54 PM
#89:


She criticised Trump sharply, so this is a nothingburger

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cjsdowg
11/02/24 3:39:20 PM
#90:


Diceheist posted...
Dems as a party have moved left over the years, but the reason for the opposite perception is:

- many Dem candidates have backed off of less popular proposals from their pasts such as defund the police, bail reform, border relaxation, medicare for all, cis/trans sports integration, etc.

- Harris messaging shifting from liberal targeted to centrist targeted.

- various entities the Dems support like Israel lurching far-right.

There is no right-ward shift in terms of substance but there's an opitical illusion at play.

Those where only not popular with the right.


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mybbqrules
11/02/24 3:56:02 PM
#91:


I literally saw posts on the_Donald.win (where the chuds went to be open bigots and racists when r/the_Donald FINALLY fucking got shut down for platforming bigots and racists) calling for the hanging of the Squad. I believe the exact quote was "four bitches twisting in the wind".

But hey, muddy the waters when that's the alternative. Sounds like a good plan.

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Covenant
11/02/24 4:22:14 PM
#92:


mybbqrules posted...
I literally saw posts on the_Donald.win (where the chuds went to be open bigots and racists when r/the_Donald FINALLY fucking got shut down for platforming bigots and racists) calling for the hanging of the Squad. I believe the exact quote was "four bitches twisting in the wind".

But hey, muddy the waters when that's the alternative. Sounds like a good plan.
The supporters of the party that isn't explicitly descending into fascism are saying that people shouldn't voice political opinions just very slightly contrary to their party line for fear of being lynched. What a time to be alive.
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mybbqrules
11/02/24 5:36:33 PM
#93:


Covenant posted...
The supporters of the party that isn't explicitly descending into fascism are saying that people shouldn't voice political opinions just very slightly contrary to their party line for fear of being lynched. What a time to be alive.
That's what you got from that?

How about "the other party's lunatic fringe wants to lynch her, and that party caters almost exclusively to the lunatic fringe now"?

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Covenant
11/02/24 6:49:04 PM
#94:


mybbqrules posted...
That's what you got from that?

How about "the other party's lunatic fringe wants to lynch her, and that party caters almost exclusively to the lunatic fringe now"?
That's a given and reflected in my post.

The GOP is openly embracing a fascist dictatorship and they're going to lose because of it. That's the end of that story.

The fact that the mainstream response among people who oppose the fascist dictatorship is to try to silence people who express even the tiniest shred of dissent in the most harmless of ways is the beginning of a new story, and I don't like the direction it's going.
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mybbqrules
11/02/24 7:10:36 PM
#95:


Covenant posted...
The fact that the mainstream response among people who oppose the fascist dictatorship is to try to silence people who express even the tiniest shred of dissent in the most harmless of ways is the beginning of a new story, and I don't like the direction it's going.
In 2016 people decided Hillary wasn't good enough, and that got us the shitshow we're currently in.

You should be terrified of going in that direction again.

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cjsdowg
11/02/24 7:26:04 PM
#96:


mybbqrules posted...
In 2016 people decided Hillary wasn't good enough, and that got us the shitshow we're currently in.

You should be terrified of going in that direction again.

Hillary one the popular vote. People held their nose and voted for her. And she lost of the EC , the EC which the Centrist dems love for some reason.

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Hyena_Of_Ice
11/02/24 7:36:33 PM
#97:


Does Tlaib not realize that if Trump wins, she will be among the first to be deported? While I understand where she's coming from, she really needs to endorse Harris as a lesser of two evils. She is not doing her fellow Palestinian Americans any favors by refusing to endorse Harris. A Trump win means that many Palestinian Americans become victims of said genocide, because Trump (and many Republicans) have vowed to deport any immigrants who protest Israel's genocide. Trump and his supporters have also vowed to make it much easier to deport immigrants and naturalized citizens.

cjsdowg posted...
Hillary one the popular vote. People held their nose and voted for her. And she lost of the EC , the EC which the Centrist dems love for some reason.
A lot of people fell for the polls and voted for Sanders or didn't bother to vote because they thought she'd win by a landslide. There were even several people on 261 who voiced their regret for doing so.
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Hyena_Of_Ice
11/02/24 7:43:36 PM
#98:


Covenant posted...
That's a given and reflected in my post.

The GOP is openly embracing a fascist dictatorship and they're going to lose because of it. That's the end of that story.

The fact that the mainstream response among people who oppose the fascist dictatorship is to try to silence people who express even the tiniest shred of dissent in the most harmless of ways is the beginning of a new story, and I don't like the direction it's going.

Those people are assholes. There is nothing wrong with people saying "Kamala sucks, but vote for her anyway because the alternative is exponentially worse" or "I'm endorsing Kamala, but solely because the alternative will be far worse."
It's the ones refusing to endorse/vote for her who are the problem. Unless they are saying "I refuse to endorse Kamala, but we need to vote for her anyway, because the alternative is far worse."

Diceheist posted...
Dems as a party have moved left over the years, but the reason for the opposite perception is:

- many Dem candidates have backed off of less popular proposals from their pasts such as defund the police, bail reform, border relaxation, medicare for all, cis/trans sports integration, etc.

There is no right-ward shift in terms of substance but there's an opitical illusion at play.

They moved away from Defund the Police because it backfired big time. "Defund the Police" was meant to be a stop-gap measure to bring the police to the table to negotiate police reform, and it was an idiotic to do in the first place when they had yet to come up with a concrete list of reform bills. Ultimately, it didn't work (esp. the goal of demilitarizing the police), and in addition we ended up with increased crime as a result. In addition, what reforms did pass only affected law enforcement on a state level, while the feds are just as shitty as ever.

As for M4A, with a few exceptions, that was only ever supported by the progressive/justice Dem politicians, and Harris, while still more progressive than most, is still very much a corporate Dem.

They reneged on bail reform because it became unpopular even among some dem voters after the post-COVID crime explosion.

Border relaxation is most definitely something they broke their promise on.

- Harris messaging shifting from liberal targeted to centrist targeted.

The presidential candidates always move a bit to the right during the final month or so of the election. This was typical even among Republican candidates prior to Trump.

- various entities the Dems support like Israel lurching far-right.

This is something that changed on Oct 7th; it is not a recent change.
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Covenant
11/02/24 8:56:18 PM
#100:


mybbqrules posted...
In 2016 people decided Hillary wasn't good enough, and that got us the shitshow we're currently in.

You should be terrified of going in that direction again.
Both of these statements are incorrect. Even if they were correct, being terrified doesn't justify undermining democracy by trying to shout down anyone who dares to dissent in even the smallest way. This behavior is not saving democracy. It is putting us on a path where it will be in even more danger.

Tlaib is getting booked at these events to spread her message. The people making these decisions are more involved and more informed than you are. Please consider the possibility that your response is inappropriate.
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mybbqrules
11/02/24 9:39:36 PM
#101:


Covenant posted...
Both of these statements are incorrect.
Wrong.

Even if they were correct,
News flash: They are.

being terrified doesn't justify undermining democracy by trying to shout down anyone who dares to dissent in even the smallest way.
Trump is the only one trying to undermine democracy. I am vehemently anti-Trump. So...how am I undermining democracy again?

This behavior is not saving democracy. It is putting us on a path where it will be in even more danger.
And neither is muddying the water about one foreign policy stance (that Trump will be inarguably worse at) while the alternative is literally an end to democracy and people in camps on American soil.

Please consider the possibility that your response is inappropriate.
Ok.

Annnnnd done. You're still wrong.

And I'll ask the question YET AGAIN, since none of you Gaza fence sitters can seem to answer it:

Please explain in what way Trump will be better for the people of Gaza, especially knowing his EXHAUSTIVELY DOCUMENTED PLANS FOR AMERICA?

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Covenant
11/02/24 9:56:04 PM
#102:


mybbqrules posted...
Wrong.
Thanks for your input, random on GameFAQs claiming that they know better than the people running the campaigns and organizing the events.
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