Current Events > Squad member Rashida Tlaib declines to endorse Kamala Harris at Michigan rally

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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2024/11/01/rashida-tlaib-declines-to-endorse-kamala-harris-at-uaw-rally-in-detroit/75969687007/

U.S. Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Detroit declined to endorse Vice President Kamala Harris' bid for the presidency Friday at a United Auto Workers union rally as Democrats made a late appeal to get union voters to the polls. Tlaib, one of few high-ranking Democrats who have not endorsed Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee, was among the speakers for the UAW's rally on the lawn of Solidarity House in Detroit. Tlaib, the only Palestinian American in Congress, has been critical of the Biden administration's stance on Israel's war on the militant group Hamas in Gaza following the Oct. 7, 2023 attack on southern Israel that killed mostly civilians.

Earlier in the day, Tlaib criticized Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump's campaign appearance in Dearborn, home to the largest number of Arab Americans in Michigan. Trump has been endorsed by the Muslim mayors of Dearborn Heights and Hamtramck, among other Arab Americans. "Trump is a proud Islamophobe + serial liar who doesn't stand for peace," Tlaib wrote on X. "The reality is that the Biden admins unconditional support for genocide is what got us here. This should be a wake-up call for those who continue to support genocide. This election didn't have to be close."

If Trump wins she can look back at the leopard eating her face

Boy I hope no one is surprised, shocked, or disappointed.

Anyone who asks Rep. Tlaib to endorse Kamala Harris is doing so as a purity check.

obviously i get where she is coming from, but goddamn, now is not the time

DoesntMatter posted...

obviously i get where she is coming from, but goddamn, now is not the time

At least they condemned trump and made it clear he's against their people too.

BlueTigerLion posted...

This election didn't have to be close."

This election is not close because of the Israel Palestine situation

She does realize that the US is on the verge of becoming a fascist nation, right? Wait until that threat is gone, then next election, go all out on endorsing a more progressive candidate.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

She does realize that the US is on the verge of becoming a fascist nation, right? Wait until that threat is gone, then next election, go all out on endorsing a more progressive candidate.

People are allowed to speak their mind. I can see how she would feel endorsement would feel like betraying her people. And I highly doubt the lack of endorsement from some representative is gonna make many if anyone swing the other way.

Sufferedphoenix posted...

People are allowed to speak their mind. I can see how she would feel endorsement would feel like betraying her people. And I highly doubt the lack of endorsement from some representative is gonna make many if anyone swing the other way.

I can understand that, in which case, she should avoid answering any questions regarding her endorsements, or lack thereof. She's a politician. Dodging questions should be second nature.

At this point, it's whatever. Tlaib's made her position clear for months and whatever one thinks, there's principle behind it. Polls are excellent for Harrris in Michigan and Gaza is not the decisive factor whatsoever.

LightSnake posted...

At this point, it's whatever. Tlaib's made her position clear for months and whatever one thinks, there's principle behind it. Polls are excellent for Harrris in Michigan and Gaza is not the decisive factor whatsoever.

On the opposite note, I've noticed that the Republican platform has been on immigration. How is that bullshit narrative still a thing? By shooting down that bipartisan bill, they killed any credibility they might've had on being tough on immigration, something Democrats already do better than Republicans.

CADE_FOSTER posted...

If Trump wins she can look back at the leopard eating her face

By "she" I trust you mean Kamala Harris.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

She does realize that the US is on the verge of becoming a fascist nation, right?

By "she" I trust you mean Kamala Harris.

DoesntMatter posted...

obviously i get where she is coming from, but goddamn, now is not the time

No, the time was a year ago, but Biden, Harris and the rest didn't listen then.

LightSnake posted...

Polls are excellent for Harrris in Michigan and Gaza is not the decisive factor whatsoever.

I really, really hope you're right, but I wouldn't put money on it.

Gwynevere posted...

This election is not close because of the Israel Palestine situation

You're not wrong but it's certainly not helping.

At this point.. So what? We're either getting project 2025 or a continuation of the most legislatively successful administration in history Tuesday. I voted Oct 16th... I did my part. I've warned everyone I know doe.. If you voted green, red or couch and you come to me complaining about Maga policies I'm swinging IMMEDIATELY. I got lawyer money... Tired of yall no strategy having fucks.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

On the opposite note, I've noticed that the Republican platform has been on immigration. How is that bullshit narrative still a thing? By shooting down that bipartisan bill, they killed any credibility they might've had on being tough on immigration, something Democrats already do better than Republicans.

It's all a game. Some people can't stand the other side having the "victory" they wanted. They want to they can say look at the thing we did!

Hell seen a poster here agree with something Republicans did but said he still condemned it because they don't deserve a victory and he wished the Dems had done it.

It's a shit mindset but unfortunately it exists

Not endorsing her is indirectly endorsing Trump

Irony posted...

Not endorsing her is indirectly endorsing Trump

Did you not read where they slammed trump too? Like talked shit about him compared to just saying no I won't endorse Harris

Sufferedphoenix posted...

Did you not read where they slammed trump too? Like talked shit about him compared to just saying no I won't endorse Harris

So? Nothing has power but a vote.

EmanOn4life posted...

So? Nothing has power but a vote.

Just saying she made it a point to point out trump is horrible on the same issue. So I'm not way is it a endorsement of trump

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

By "she" I trust you mean Kamala Harris.

By "she" I trust you mean Kamala Harris.

No, the time was a year ago, but Biden, Harris and the rest didn't listen then.

I really, really hope you're right, but I wouldn't put money on it.

Harris is trying to win the election and is currently opposing Donald Trump, Thanatos.

I'm sorry, but thinking Gaza is a decisive factor at this point is just....not reflected. Anywhere. In any polling at all.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/kamala-harris-but-a-donald-trump-win-would-be-catastrophic

Contrary to popular belief in some of these threads, a choice that's "not Trump" is still a fucking powerful motivator. You might sleep well knowing you stayed non-committal, but I guarantee the feeling won't last.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

She does realize that the US is on the verge of becoming a fascist nation, right? Wait until that threat is gone,

oh, so never.

LeTigre posted...

oh, so never.

Yes, until Republicans stop whole throating a fascist regime, we are stuck with them.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

By "she" I trust you mean Kamala Harris.

By "she" I trust you mean Kamala Harris.

no, they fucking don't, and you are well aware of that fact. shut the fuck up.

No, the time was a year ago, but Biden, Harris and the rest didn't listen then.

right. and do you think they're gonna listen now? no. hence, now is not the fucking time.

LightSnake posted...

Harris is trying to win the election

It often seems like she isn't - that's the trouble.

LightSnake posted...

I'm sorry, but thinking Gaza is a decisive factor at this point is just....not reflected. Anywhere. In any polling at all.

Well, that's just not true. There's polling evidence that it is making a difference - I and others have posted it in previous topics that you've seen. Maybe it won't make enough of a difference to cost Harris the election - like I said, you may be right about that, and I hope you are. But given the state of the polls (and the Republicans' unfair advantages), again I wouldn't want to bet money on it - let alone bet a country's future on it, as Biden and Harris have done.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

It often seems like she isn't - that's the trouble.

no, it doesn't seem like that. shut the fuck up.

HUGE mistake!

First, the obvious, Trump will be objectively worse for muslims. What every bad thing people think Biden/Harris are doing Trump will do 100 times worse. Everyone knows this. If Tlaib's lack of support for Harris, helps get Trump elected, she will be responsible for thousands if not millions of Muslim suffering.

Second... let's say even without Tlaib's support Harris wins, well now Harris knows Tlaib's support doesn't mean shit. When President Harris is making decisions on what to do about the Middle East, there's no reason to hear from Tlaib (meanwhile several Republicans did help Harris win, so she'll probably listen to Liz Chaney).

If she helps Harris win 2024 and she will realize if she wants to win in 2028 she'll need Tlaib's support.

(Despite Tlaib's stupidity here, hopefully Harris wins and as President hopefully she does more for Muslims than Biden).

LeTigre posted...

oh, so never.

Well then that's the problem. America can't focus on stopping genocide on the other side of the world, if we're ALWAYS one election away from becoming a fascist nation ourselves.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

It often seems like she isn't - that's the trouble.

The issue is you seem to base this off her running as left as you'd like, and there's a huge difference. Harris has been running a campaign on the issues that poll best to the electorate with robust GOTV efforts and surrogates across the spectrum. If this does not seem like it's trying to win then I think you need to heavily reexamine your priors.

Well, that's just not true. There's polling evidence that it is making a difference - I and others have posted it in previous topics that you've seen. Maybe it won't make enough of a difference to cost Harris the election - like I said, you may be right about that, and I hope you are. But given the state of the polls (and the Republicans' unfair advantages), again I wouldn't want to bet money on it - let alone bet a country's future on it, as Biden and Harris have done.

Well, no. The repeated polling showcases that it is a minimal concern to voters. And when it does register, it does not showcase as a factor that moves election votes. The people whose votes it does effect are a tiny slice of the electorate. Gaza doesn't register as a blip in the polls now and the election has been all about vibes.

hmnut7 posted...

HUGE mistake!

First, the obvious, Trump will be objectively worse for muslims. What every bad thing people think Biden/Harris are doing Trump will do 100 times worse. Everyone knows this. If Tlaib's lack of support for Harris, helps get Trump elected, she will be responsible for thousands if not millions of Muslim suffering.

Second... let's say even without Tlaib's support Harris wins, well now Harris knows Tlaib's support doesn't mean shit. When President Harris is making decisions on what to do about the Middle East, there's no reason to hear from Tlaib (meanwhile several Republicans did help Harris win, so she'll probably listen to Liz Chaney).

If she helps Harris win 2024 and she will realize if she wants to win in 2028 she'll need Tlaib's support.

(Despite Tlaib's stupidity here, hopefully Harris wins and as President hopefully she does more for Muslims than Biden).

Muslim voters were a GOP voting bloc until the Bush Presidency and every single time now we face up with warnings of how close Dems are to losing them without it being acknowledged many of them are diehard social conservatives, which is something that bit liberals in the ass in Hamntrack.

DoesntMatter posted...

no, it doesn't seem like that. shut the fuck up.

Thanatos doesn't even live in the US iirc. Their input is worth less than used toilet paper

hmnut7 posted...

HUGE mistake!

First, the obvious, Trump will be objectively worse for muslims. What every bad thing people think Biden/Harris are doing Trump will do 100 times worse. Everyone knows this. If Tlaib's lack of support for Harris, helps get Trump elected, she will be responsible for thousands if not millions of Muslim suffering.

Second... let's say even without Tlaib's support Harris wins, well now Harris knows Tlaib's support doesn't mean shit. When President Harris is making decisions on what to do about the Middle East, there's no reason to hear from Tlaib (meanwhile several Republicans did help Harris win, so she'll probably listen to Liz Chaney).

If she helps Harris win 2024 and she will realize if she wants to win in 2028 she'll need Tlaib's support.

(Despite Tlaib's stupidity here, hopefully Harris wins and as President hopefully she does more for Muslims than Biden).

I don't see it that. If she supported Harris it could be taken as well I can do anything in the middle east and they will still support me.

Irony posted...

Not endorsing her is indirectly endorsing Trump

Thats not really how that works

LightSnake posted...

The issue is you seem to base this off her running as left as you'd like

No, I'm basing it on her a) continuing to support genocide and b) abandoning the strategy of attacking the GOP as fascist weirdos - which was working - in favour of an artificial bipartisanship that nobody on either side wants.

hmnut7 posted...

HUGE mistake!

First, the obvious, Trump will be objectively worse for muslims. What every bad thing people think Biden/Harris are doing Trump will do 100 times worse. Everyone knows this. If Tlaib's lack of support for Harris, helps get Trump elected, she will be responsible for thousands if not millions of Muslim suffering.

Second... let's say even without Tlaib's support Harris wins, well now Harris knows Tlaib's support doesn't mean shit. When President Harris is making decisions on what to do about the Middle East, there's no reason to hear from Tlaib (meanwhile several Republicans did help Harris win, so she'll probably listen to Liz Chaney).

If she helps Harris win 2024 and she will realize if she wants to win in 2028 she'll need Tlaib's support.

(Despite Tlaib's stupidity here, hopefully Harris wins and as President hopefully she does more for Muslims than Biden).

She already knows Harris doesnt support her. The DNC fundraised heavily to replace her in 2022, and has been trying to replace every Squad member.

hmnut7 posted...

Well then that's the problem. America can't focus on stopping genocide on the other side of the world, if we're ALWAYS one election away from becoming a fascist nation ourselves.

Maybe its time we stop squashing any criticism of our system as enabling fascists, then?

Gwynevere posted...

Thanatos doesn't even live in the US iirc. Their input is worth less than used toilet paper

lol for real? jfc

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

No, I'm basing it on her a) continuing to support genocide and b) abandoning the strategy of attacking the GOP as fascist weirdos - which was working - in favour of an artificial bipartisanship that nobody on either side wants.

I don't see what's wrong with bringing Republicans to our side who are against the maga bullshit.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

No, I'm basing it on her a) continuing to support genocide and b) abandoning the strategy of attacking the GOP as fascist weirdos - which was working - in favour of an artificial bipartisanship that nobody on either side wants.

Thanatos, do you believe the left can win in an election without winning independents and bipartisanship?

I also just watched a rally recently where they decried Trump as a fascist thug. Not sure you've been basing this on what's actually happening

Also, voters DO want bipartisanship. There's ample polling on that.

Miquella posted...

I don't see what's wrong with bringing Republicans to our side who are against the maga bullshit.

Theyre not against the MAGA bullshit.

Theyre against it coming from someone as unpolished as Trump.

Like, do we think Liz Cheney thinks we need to secure access to gender affirming care and reproductive health?

Republicans by-in-large overwhelming voted for Trumps agenda. They are just as complicit.

LeTigre posted...

Maybe its time we stop squashing any criticism of our system as enabling fascists, then?

One step at a time. You first have to get the average American to stop being so selfish. That itself will take a long time to change.

LeTigre posted...

Theyre not against the MAGA bullshit.

Theyre against it coming from someone as unpolished as Trump.

Like, do we think Liz Cheney thinks we need to secure access to gender affirming care and reproductive health?

Republicans by-in-large overwhelming voted for Trumps agenda. They are just as complicit.

Here's the thing: what Liz Cheney thinks on those issues are irrelevant. Liz Cheney is not entering into this to say "you need to give me something" in return. She is saying "I am giving you my unconditional surrender, because I feel Trump is so much an existential threat." So much so that liz Cheney has removed herself from any hope a body politic in the US will ever elect her to anything again. She has literally sacrificed her career to oppose Trump

The same way we took John Kasich's endorsement and let him whine about the Biden admin for years after when he disagreed with everything they did. What you refuse to understand is this isn't just policy or agenda. Trump literally attempted a fucking coup. A planned attempt to overturn a Democratic election via criminal means and through armed force. If you cannot understand why even an ardent Conservative thinks that is beyond the pale regardless of policy, then there's no reaching you whatsoever.

And this is why the Harris campaign has done so well: they hit the GOP hard as possible, and Trump specifically. End result was they maxed out Democratic support, so they turned to also trying to win over moderates and people who hate Trump but are uncomfortable with Democrats because this election comes down to like 100K white weirdos in three key states.

All while using Tim Walz to win over young white guys, and making it a referendum on Trump while promoting her own policies and having GOTV efforts.

Someone has to stand up for Gaza.

It's a good thing the guys AIPAC wanted to take her down with said no.

When the Centrist democrats don't stand up for the people on the left is it ever this outrage ? The DNC helped replace a Squad member with a racist. but they need to bend down and kiss the ass of the Centrist .

Saying Harris supports genocide is literally Russian disinformation. Bob Woodward leaked her conversation with netanyahu and she does not like him at all. Israel's propaganda news Network is broadcasting that she's a terrorist sympathizer over there. The actual Gazans want her to win.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Saying Harris supports genocide is literally Russian disinformation. Bob Woodward leaked her conversation with netanyahu and she does not like him at all. Israel's propaganda news Network is broadcasting that she's a terrorist sympathizer over there. The actual Gazans want her to win

oh thats a relief.

here I was thinking that she refused to call it a genocide and said the biggest tragedy was Oct 7th.

The electoral college was created to prevent a candidate like trump. Now let's see if they will go ahead and reverse their mandate from creation.

Scardude posted...

The electoral college was created to prevent a candidate like trump. Now let's see if they will go ahead and reverse their mandate from creation.

i mean, they already did when they handed the election to Trump in 2016

While I don't agree I understand why she doesn't do it.