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wackyteen 11/01/24 10:04:02 AM #1:	Did you guess Texas? - Results (84 votes) Yes 54.76% (46 votes) 46 Guessed red but not Texas 35.71% (30 votes) 30 No 9.52% (8 votes) 8 https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala Candace Fails screamed for someone in the Texas hospital to help her pregnant daughter. Do something, she pleaded, on the morning of Oct. 29, 2023. Nevaeh Crain was crying in pain, too weak to walk, blood staining her thighs. Feverish and vomiting the day of her baby shower, the 18-year-old had gone to two different emergency rooms within 12 hours, returning home each time worse than before. The first hospital diagnosed her with strep throat without investigating her sharp abdominal cramps. At the second, she screened positive for sepsis, a life-threatening and fast-moving reaction to an infection, medical records show. But doctors said her six-month fetus had a heartbeat and that Crain was fine to leave. Now on Crains third hospital visit, an obstetrician insisted on two ultrasounds to confirm fetal demise, a nurse wrote, before moving her to intensive care. By then, more than two hours after her arrival, Crains blood pressure had plummeted and a nurse had noted that her lips were blue and dusky. Her organs began failing. Hours later, she was dead. Fails, who would have seen her daughter turn 20 this Friday, still cannot understand why Crains emergency was not treated like an emergency. But that is what many pregnant women are now facing in states with strict abortion bans, doctors and lawyers have told ProPublica. Pregnant women have become essentially untouchables, said Sara Rosenbaum, a health law and policy professor emerita at George Washington University. Texass abortion ban threatens prison time for interventions that end a fetal heartbeat, whether the pregnancy is wanted or not. It includes exceptions for life-threatening conditions, but still, doctors told ProPublica that confusion and fear about the potential legal repercussions are changing the way their colleagues treat pregnant patients with complications. In states with abortion bans, such patients are sometimes bounced between hospitals like hot potatoes, with health care providers reluctant to participate in treatment that could attract a prosecutor, doctors told ProPublica. In some cases, medical teams are wasting precious time debating legalities and creating documentation, preparing for the possibility that theyll need to explain their actions to a jury and judge. Dr. Jodi Abbott, an associate professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Boston University School of Medicine, said patients are left wondering: Am I being sent home because I really am OK? Or am I being sent home because theyre afraid that the solution to whats going on with my pregnancy would be ending the pregnancy, and theyre not allowed to do that? There is a federal law to prevent emergency room doctors from withholding lifesaving care. Passed nearly four decades ago, it requires emergency rooms to stabilize patients in medical crises. The Biden administration argues this mandate applies even in cases where an abortion might be necessary. No state has done more to fight this interpretation than Texas, which has warned doctors that its abortion ban supersedes the administrations guidance on federal law, and that they can face up to 99 years in prison for violating it. ProPublica condensed more than 800 pages of Crains medical records into a four-page timeline in consultation with two maternal-fetal medicine specialists; reporters reviewed it with nine doctors, including researchers at prestigious universities, OB-GYNs who regularly handle miscarriages, and experts in emergency medicine and maternal health. Some said the first ER missed warning signs of infection that deserved attention. All said that the doctor at the second hospital should never have sent Crain home when her signs of sepsis hadnt improved. And when she returned for the third time, all said there was no medical reason to make her wait for two ultrasounds before taking aggressive action to save her. This is how these restrictions kill women, said Dr. Dara Kass, a former regional director at the Department of Health and Human Services and an emergency room physician in New York. It is never just one decision, its never just one doctor, its never just one nurse. While they were not certain from looking at the records provided that Crains death could have been prevented, they said it may have been possible to save both the teenager and her fetus if she had been admitted earlier for close monitoring and continuous treatment. There was a chance Crain could have remained pregnant, they said. If she had needed an early delivery, the hospital was well-equipped to care for a baby on the edge of viability. In another scenario, if the infection had gone too far, ending the pregnancy might have been necessary to save Crain. Doctors involved in Crains care did not respond to several requests for comment. The two hospitals, Baptist Hospitals of Southeast Texas and Christus Southeast Texas St. Elizabeth, declined to answer detailed lists of questions about her treatment. Fails and Crain believed abortion was morally wrong. The teen could only support it in the context of rape or life-threatening illness, she used to tell her mother. They didnt care whether the government banned it, just how their Christian faith guided their own actions. When they discovered Crain was pregnant with a girl, the two talked endlessly about the little dresses they could buy, what kind of mother she would be. Crain landed on the name Lillian. Fails could not wait to meet her. But when her daughter got sick, Fails expected that doctors had an obligation to do everything in their power to stave off a potentially deadly emergency, even if that meant losing Lillian. In her view, they were more concerned with checking the fetal heartbeat than attending to Crain. I know it sounds selfish, and God knows I would rather have both of them, but if I had to choose, Fails said, I would have chosen my daughter. More in the story, but gamefaqs character limit. Outside of blatant malpractice/malintent for health/life, doctors should not live in fear of the government. Ironic the party that doesn't want the government involved in their life wants the government to control the hands of everyone else --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:982755554] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote> Did you guess Texas? - Results (84 votes) Yes 54.76% (46 votes) 46 Guessed red but not Texas 35.71% (30 votes) 30 No 9.52% (8 votes) 8 Show Voting Form https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala<quote>Candace Fails screamed for someone in the Texas hospital to help her pregnant daughter. Do something, she pleaded, on the morning of Oct. 29, 2023.Nevaeh Crain was crying in pain, too weak to walk, blood staining her thighs. Feverish and vomiting the day of her baby shower, the 18-year-old had gone to two different emergency rooms within 12 hours, returning home each time worse than before.The first hospital diagnosed her with strep throat without investigating her sharp abdominal cramps. At the second, she screened positive for sepsis, a life-threatening and fast-moving reaction to an infection, medical records show. But doctors said her six-month fetus had a heartbeat and that Crain was fine to leave.Now on Crains third hospital visit, an obstetrician insisted on two ultrasounds to confirm fetal demise, a nurse wrote, before moving her to intensive care.By then, more than two hours after her arrival, Crains blood pressure had plummeted and a nurse had noted that her lips were blue and dusky. Her organs began failing.Hours later, she was dead.Fails, who would have seen her daughter turn 20 this Friday, still cannot understand why Crains emergency was not treated like an emergency.But that is what many pregnant women are now facing in states with strict abortion bans, doctors and lawyers have told ProPublica.Pregnant women have become essentially untouchables, said Sara Rosenbaum, a health law and policy professor emerita at George Washington University.Texass abortion ban threatens prison time for interventions that end a fetal heartbeat, whether the pregnancy is wanted or not. It includes exceptions for life-threatening conditions, but still, doctors told ProPublica that confusion and fear about the potential legal repercussions are changing the way their colleagues treat pregnant patients with complications.In states with abortion bans, such patients are sometimes bounced between hospitals like hot potatoes, with health care providers reluctant to participate in treatment that could attract a prosecutor, doctors told ProPublica. In some cases, medical teams are wasting precious time debating legalities and creating documentation, preparing for the possibility that theyll need to explain their actions to a jury and judge.Dr. Jodi Abbott, an associate professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Boston University School of Medicine, said patients are left wondering: Am I being sent home because I really am OK? Or am I being sent home because theyre afraid that the solution to whats going on with my pregnancy would be ending the pregnancy, and theyre not allowed to do that?There is a federal law to prevent emergency room doctors from withholding lifesaving care.Passed nearly four decades ago, it requires emergency rooms to stabilize patients in medical crises. The Biden administration argues this mandate applies even in cases where an abortion might be necessary.No state has done more to fight this interpretation than Texas, which has warned doctors that its abortion ban supersedes the administrations guidance on federal law, and that they can face up to 99 years in prison for violating it.ProPublica condensed more than 800 pages of Crains medical records into a four-page timeline in consultation with two maternal-fetal medicine specialists; reporters reviewed it with nine doctors, including researchers at prestigious universities, OB-GYNs who regularly handle miscarriages, and experts in emergency medicine and maternal health.Some said the first ER missed warning signs of infection that deserved attention. All said that the doctor at the second hospital should never have sent Crain home when her signs of sepsis hadnt improved. And when she returned for the third time, all said there was no medical reason to make her wait for two ultrasounds before taking aggressive action to save her.This is how these restrictions kill women, said Dr. Dara Kass, a former regional director at the Department of Health and Human Services and an emergency room physician in New York. It is never just one decision, its never just one doctor, its never just one nurse.While they were not certain from looking at the records provided that Crains death could have been prevented, they said it may have been possible to save both the teenager and her fetus if she had been admitted earlier for close monitoring and continuous treatment.There was a chance Crain could have remained pregnant, they said. If she had needed an early delivery, the hospital was well-equipped to care for a baby on the edge of viability. In another scenario, if the infection had gone too far, ending the pregnancy might have been necessary to save Crain.Doctors involved in Crains care did not respond to several requests for comment. The two hospitals, Baptist Hospitals of Southeast Texas and Christus Southeast Texas St. Elizabeth, declined to answer detailed lists of questions about her treatment.Fails and Crain believed abortion was morally wrong. The teen could only support it in the context of rape or life-threatening illness, she used to tell her mother. They didnt care whether the government banned it, just how their Christian faith guided their own actions.When they discovered Crain was pregnant with a girl, the two talked endlessly about the little dresses they could buy, what kind of mother she would be. Crain landed on the name Lillian. Fails could not wait to meet her.But when her daughter got sick, Fails expected that doctors had an obligation to do everything in their power to stave off a potentially deadly emergency, even if that meant losing Lillian. In her view, they were more concerned with checking the fetal heartbeat than attending to Crain.I know it sounds selfish, and God knows I would rather have both of them, but if I had to choose, Fails said, I would have chosen my daughter.</quote>More in the story, but gamefaqs character limit. Outside of blatant malpractice/malintent for health/life, doctors should not live in fear of the government. Ironic the party that doesn't want the government involved in their life wants the government to control the hands of everyone else</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xatrion 11/01/24 10:09:44 AM #2:	Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. And let me say it one more time. *FUCK THE GOP* --- Shut your BF28/9 sound hole and listen up. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice? Strike three. <cite>Xatrion posted [p:982755597] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop.And let me say it one more time. FUCK THE GOP </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DaxNovalis 11/01/24 10:11:18 AM #3:	Fails and Crain believed abortion was morally wrong. The teen could only support it in the context of rape or life-threatening illness, she used to tell her mother. They didnt care whether the government banned it, just how their Christian faith guided their own actions. When they discovered Crain was pregnant with a girl, the two talked endlessly about the little dresses they could buy, what kind of mother she would be. Crain landed on the name Lillian. Fails could not wait to meet her. But when her daughter got sick, Fails expected that doctors had an obligation to do everything in their power to stave off a potentially deadly emergency, even if that meant losing Lillian. In her view, they were more concerned with checking the fetal heartbeat than attending to Crain. I know it sounds selfish, and God knows I would rather have both of them, but if I had to choose, Fails said, I would have chosen my daughter. These types of people never think of the implications of an abortion ban until they're directly affected. It's horrible that it takes a personal loss for them to realize why keeping abortion rights is so important. I feel for this woman's loss but they helped bring this about. <cite>DaxNovalis posted [p:982755609] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote><quote>Fails and Crain believed abortion was morally wrong. The teen could only support it in the context of rape or life-threatening illness, she used to tell her mother. They didnt care whether the government banned it, just how their Christian faith guided their own actions.When they discovered Crain was pregnant with a girl, the two talked endlessly about the little dresses they could buy, what kind of mother she would be. Crain landed on the name Lillian. Fails could not wait to meet her.But when her daughter got sick, Fails expected that doctors had an obligation to do everything in their power to stave off a potentially deadly emergency, even if that meant losing Lillian. In her view, they were more concerned with checking the fetal heartbeat than attending to Crain.I know it sounds selfish, and God knows I would rather have both of them, but if I had to choose, Fails said, I would have chosen my daughter.</quote>These types of people never think of the implications of an abortion ban until they're directly affected. It's horrible that it takes a personal loss for them to realize why keeping abortion rights is so important. I feel for this woman's loss but they helped bring this about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlamedLiquid02 11/01/24 10:13:40 AM #4:	Hop3fully this sways some Texas voters but it probbaly won't. And most have probably already voted --- Movie Collection: http://fiamedliquid.dvdaf.com/ <cite>FlamedLiquid02 posted [p:982755633] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Hop3fully this sways some Texas voters but it probbaly won't. And most have probably already voted</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pazzy 11/01/24 10:14:23 AM #5:	DaxNovalis posted... These types of people never think of the implications of an abortion ban until they're directly affected. It's horrible that it takes a personal loss for them to realize why keeping abortion rights is so important. I feel for this woman's loss but they helped bring this about. It shows people don't actually know what they are voting for TBH. <cite>pazzy posted [p:982755640] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>DaxNovalis posted... </cite><quote>These types of people never think of the implications of an abortion ban until they're directly affected. It's horrible that it takes a personal loss for them to realize why keeping abortion rights is so important. I feel for this woman's loss but they helped bring this about.</quote>It shows people don't actually know what they are voting for TBH.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KajeI 11/01/24 10:18:48 AM #6:	pazzy posted... It shows people don't actually know what they are voting for TBH. No they do, they just don't care until it happens to them because that's when it becomes "real" to them. The number 1 commonality between republican voters of all demographics is low empathy (not to be confused with low sympathy). Ignorance is not an excuse they get to plead anymore. --- Look, I can name a few instances in MY life where I tried to reach mutual understanding and i can TELL you, always faster and easier to just kill em. Just is! <cite>KajeI posted [p:982755683] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>pazzy posted... </cite><quote>It shows people don't actually know what they are voting for TBH.</quote>No they do, they just don't care until it happens to them because that's when it becomes "real" to them. The number 1 commonality between republican voters of all demographics is low empathy (not to be confused with low sympathy).Ignorance is not an excuse they get to plead anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 11/01/24 10:20:01 AM #7:	FlamedLiquid02 posted... Hop3fully this sways some Texas voters but it probbaly won't. And most have probably already voted Also hopefully the medicaid stuff also sways some Texas voters... It is insane how they removed over 2 million people and most of them children. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:982755694] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>FlamedLiquid02 posted... </cite><quote>Hop3fully this sways some Texas voters but it probbaly won't. And most have probably already voted</quote>Also hopefully the medicaid stuff also sways some Texas voters... It is insane how they removed over 2 million people and most of them children. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 11/01/24 10:37:29 AM #9:	KajeI posted... No they do, they just don't care until it happens to them because that's when it becomes "real" to them. The number 1 commonality between republican voters of all demographics is low empathy (not to be confused with low sympathy). Ignorance is not an excuse they get to plead anymore. Some buy into the false perception that people are en masse getting abortion just because they don't want the baby, can't afford the baby, don't care about life, etc. So they don't stop to consider any of the follow on effects of 'banning abortion' because they don't understand the same medicine given to save botched miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies is the same exact stuff to induce abortions used to 'get rid of unwanted babies'. So only once they see the real effects affect themselves or those they know, is when they realize exactly what they voted for. Many vote agaisnt abortion and think nothing about the how, they just know they can't "live with" voting for someone who would allow it. So when a charlatan comes along saying they will ban abortion, they don't question how. Same for how 'tough on crime' people get elected, most don't ask how those will be tough on crime but then they get in and make laws that give police carte blanche authority and immunity, which has lead to countless heartache and abuses of power. --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:982755832] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>KajeI posted... </cite><quote>No they do, they just don't care until it happens to them because that's when it becomes "real" to them. The number 1 commonality between republican voters of all demographics is low empathy (not to be confused with low sympathy).Ignorance is not an excuse they get to plead anymore.</quote>Some buy into the false perception that people are en masse getting abortion just because they don't want the baby, can't afford the baby, don't care about life, etc. So they don't stop to consider any of the follow on effects of 'banning abortion' because they don't understand the same medicine given to save botched miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies is the same exact stuff to induce abortions used to 'get rid of unwanted babies'. So only once they see the real effects affect themselves or those they know, is when they realize exactly what they voted for. Many vote agaisnt abortion and think nothing about the how, they just know they can't "live with" voting for someone who would allow it. So when a charlatan comes along saying they will ban abortion, they don't question how. Same for how 'tough on crime' people get elected, most don't ask how those will be tough on crime but then they get in and make laws that give police carte blanche authority and immunity, which has lead to countless heartache and abuses of power. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReiRei89 11/01/24 10:42:06 AM #11:	Trump and pro lifers wanted this to happen. They don't care about women or fetuses. All they care about is suffering. --- FGO US:973,940,202 JP:410,404,215 Resident Europa fangirl <cite>ReiRei89 posted [p:982755885] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Trump and pro lifers wanted this to happen. They don't care about women or fetuses. All they care about is suffering.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 11/01/24 10:42:19 AM #12:	ScazarMeltex posted... Bullshit. They absolutely do because doctors and scientists always tell them that these will be the results. ALWAYS. They still vote for it. They don't listen. The media they consume doesn't tell them about the actual results of banning abortion. Or even if it does, they still think they'll be implicit with baby murder so they can't live with the thought of being okay with that. And they live better with the thought of cases like this Texas teen being a tragic accident or God testing their faith because they wouldn't be willing/able accept the fact that their actions directly led to a preventable tragedy --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:982755888] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite><quote>Bullshit. They absolutely do because doctors and scientists always tell them that these will be the results. ALWAYS. They still vote for it.</quote>They don't listen. The media they consume doesn't tell them about the actual results of banning abortion. Or even if it does, they still think they'll be implicit with baby murder so they can't live with the thought of being okay with that. And they live better with the thought of cases like this Texas teen being a tragic accident or God testing their faith because they wouldn't be willing/able accept the fact that their actions directly led to a preventable tragedy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mystic_belmont 11/01/24 10:42:20 AM #13:	wackyteen posted... Some buy into the false perception that people are en masse getting abortion just because they don't want the baby, can't afford the baby, don't care about life, etc. So they don't stop to consider any of the follow on effects of 'banning abortion' because they don't understand the same medicine given to save botched miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies is the same exact stuff to induce abortions used to 'get rid of unwanted babies'. So only once they see the real effects affect themselves or those they know, is when they realize exactly what they voted for. Many vote agaisnt abortion and think nothing about the how, they just know they can't "live with" voting for someone who would allow it. So when a charlatan comes along saying they will ban abortion, they don't question how. Same for how 'tough on crime' people get elected, most don't ask how those will be tough on crime but then they get in and make laws that give police carte blanche authority and immunity, which has lead to countless heartache and abuses of power. Yep. Let's see if they vote differently. --- "Freedom was meaningless without ownership and control over one's own body" -Tera Hunter 'Joy My Freedom' [Evil Republican] 3DS FC: 5429-7297-4842 <cite>mystic_belmont posted [p:982755889] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite><quote>Some buy into the false perception that people are en masse getting abortion just because they don't want the baby, can't afford the baby, don't care about life, etc. So they don't stop to consider any of the follow on effects of 'banning abortion' because they don't understand the same medicine given to save botched miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies is the same exact stuff to induce abortions used to 'get rid of unwanted babies'. So only once they see the real effects affect themselves or those they know, is when they realize exactly what they voted for. Many vote agaisnt abortion and think nothing about the how, they just know they can't "live with" voting for someone who would allow it. So when a charlatan comes along saying they will ban abortion, they don't question how. Same for how 'tough on crime' people get elected, most don't ask how those will be tough on crime but then they get in and make laws that give police carte blanche authority and immunity, which has lead to countless heartache and abuses of power.</quote>Yep.Let's see if they vote differently.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 11/01/24 10:46:35 AM #14:	Republicans murdered this girl. That's not an exaggeration. It's a literal fact. --- Jump! Jump! Slide! Slide! <cite>ZMythos posted [p:982755935] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Republicans murdered this girl. That's not an exaggeration. It's a literal fact. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
orangefire25 11/01/24 10:47:02 AM #15:	I hate this place. So much --- "My lord, even 'the bud' slips into alcoholism these days." - AlCalavicci <cite>orangefire25 posted [p:982755942] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>I hate this place. So much </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 11/01/24 10:47:21 AM #16:	LightHawKnight posted... hopefully the medicaid stuff also sways some Texas voters... It is insane how they removed over 2 million people and most of them children. it's just the start when republican's take over again, dismantle all the safety programs. they been after obamacare since day 1 :(. --- currently playing: nickelodeon kart racers 3: slime speedway (daily until disc arrives) RIP Sophie the dog: February 2011-april 2024. we'll miss you alot. <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:982755947] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted...</cite><quote> hopefully the medicaid stuff also sways some Texas voters... It is insane how they removed over 2 million people and most of them children.</quote>it's just the start when republican's take over again, dismantle all the safety programs.they been after obamacare since day 1 :(.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 11/01/24 10:47:24 AM #17:	So the life of the fetus is so important to protect that they let the mother die, which in turn also kills the fetus? Save the mother even at the cost of the fetus she can get pregnant again if she lives. It's not a hard choice. --- "Intelligence has no place in Politics" Londo, (Babylon Five) Star Trek Prodigy is top tier Star Trek. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:982755948] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>So the life of the fetus is so important to protect that they let the mother die, which in turn also kills the fetus?Save the mother even at the cost of the fetus she can get pregnant again if she lives. It's not a hard choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hmnut7 11/01/24 10:49:32 AM #18:	This death was totally avoidable with modern medicine. This death was totally unavoidable with modern republicans. --- Starfire: "They are too numerous to fight. What shall we do?" Robin: "Fight anyway!" (pb) <cite>hmnut7 posted [p:982755972] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>This death was totally avoidable with modern medicine.This death was totally unavoidable with modern republicans. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DuneMan 11/01/24 10:53:54 AM #19:	KajeI posted... No they do, they just don't care until it happens to them because that's when it becomes "real" to them. The number 1 commonality between republican voters of all demographics is low empathy (not to be confused with low sympathy). Ignorance is not an excuse they get to plead anymore. Yeah the party of "I've got mine, now fuck off and try to get yours" is also the party of "the misery and pain others isn't worth considering". But that also means the consequences for the long term and things affected by extension are never considered. --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao <cite>DuneMan posted [p:982756023] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>KajeI posted... </cite><quote>No they do, they just don't care until it happens to them because that's when it becomes "real" to them. The number 1 commonality between republican voters of all demographics is low empathy (not to be confused with low sympathy).Ignorance is not an excuse they get to plead anymore.</quote>Yeah the party of "I've got mine, now fuck off and try to get yours" is also the party of "the misery and pain others isn't worth considering". But that also means the consequences for the long term and things affected by extension are never considered.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 11/01/24 10:57:19 AM #20:	creativerealms posted... So the life of the fetus is so important to protect that they let the mother die, which in turn also kills the fetus? Save the mother even at the cost of the fetus she can get pregnant again if she lives. It's not a hard choice. Even the Bible says to prioritize the life of the mother or at least gives a harsher punishment for killing a pregnant person, but if only the baby is killed then no punishment or whatever the husband deems fit to demand in recompense. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exod+21%3A22-25&version=NRSVUE --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:982756076] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>creativerealms posted... </cite><quote>So the life of the fetus is so important to protect that they let the mother die, which in turn also kills the fetus?Save the mother even at the cost of the fetus she can get pregnant again if she lives. It's not a hard choice.</quote>Even the Bible says to prioritize the life of the mother or at least gives a harsher punishment for killing a pregnant person, but if only the baby is killed then no punishment or whatever the husband deems fit to demand in recompense. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exod+21%3A22-25&version=NRSVUE</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlamedLiquid02 11/01/24 11:04:59 AM #21:	wackyteen posted... Even the Bible says to prioritize the life of the mother or at least gives a harsher punishment for killing a pregnant person, but if only the baby is killed then no punishment or whatever the husband deems fit to demand in recompense. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exod+21%3A22-25&version=NRSVUE Probably removed that from the Trump Bible --- Movie Collection: http://fiamedliquid.dvdaf.com/ <cite>FlamedLiquid02 posted [p:982756163] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite><quote>Even the Bible says to prioritize the life of the mother or at least gives a harsher punishment for killing a pregnant person, but if only the baby is killed then no punishment or whatever the husband deems fit to demand in recompense. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exod+21%3A22-25&version=NRSVUE</quote>Probably removed that from the Trump Bible </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deyestus 11/01/24 11:12:17 AM #22:	More blood on Trump's (and the Shithead Six's) hands. --- "Let me hear you make decisions Without your television." <cite>Deyestus posted [p:982756256] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>More blood on Trump's (and the Shithead Six's) hands.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karmageddon28 11/01/24 11:22:03 AM #23:	ZMythos posted... Republicans murdered this girl. That's not an exaggeration. It's a literal fact. If what I read in another article was correct, the mother and daughter were from a town that was, and possible still is, known as a sundown town. That, combined with the mother's quotes, it is quite likely that they are deeply Christian Republicans. So it's reasonable to suspect they got exactly what they voted for. If that's the case, would it more appropriate to say sorry for your loss or congratulations? <cite>karmageddon28 posted [p:982756379] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite><quote>Republicans murdered this girl. That's not an exaggeration. It's a literal fact.</quote>If what I read in another article was correct, the mother and daughter were from a town that was, and possible still is, known as a sundown town. That, combined with the mother's quotes, it is quite likely that they are deeply Christian Republicans. So it's reasonable to suspect they got exactly what they voted for. If that's the case, would it more appropriate to say sorry for your loss or congratulations?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turbam 11/01/24 11:25:37 AM #24:	That's terrible. --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! https://imgur.com/p9Xvjvs <cite>Turbam posted [p:982756432] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>That's terrible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 11/01/24 11:28:52 AM #25:	Xatrion posted... Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. And let me say it one more time. *FUCK THE GOP* Ya know honestly on issues like this and a few other things I think politicians need to be kept out of it and just let the people vote on that individual issue itself --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:982756473] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Xatrion posted... </cite><quote>Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop.And let me say it one more time. FUCK THE GOP</quote>Ya know honestly on issues like this and a few other things I think politicians need to be kept out of it and just let the people vote on that individual issue itself </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 11/01/24 11:59:57 AM #26:	It's all a fucking farce because waiting until the mother's life is undisputably in danger often means that it's past the point of when she can be saved. It's deliberate cruelty. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:982756785] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>It's all a fucking farce because waiting until the mother's life is undisputably in danger often means that it's past the point of when she can be saved.It's deliberate cruelty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Holy_Cloud105 11/01/24 12:07:14 PM #27:	wackyteen posted... Some buy into the false perception that people are en masse getting abortion just because they don't want the baby, can't afford the baby, don't care about life, etc. So they don't stop to consider any of the follow on effects of 'banning abortion' because they don't understand the same medicine given to save botched miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies is the same exact stuff to induce abortions used to 'get rid of unwanted babies'. So only once they see the real effects affect themselves or those they know, is when they realize exactly what they voted for. Many vote agaisnt abortion and think nothing about the how, they just know they can't "live with" voting for someone who would allow it. So when a charlatan comes along saying they will ban abortion, they don't question how. Same for how 'tough on crime' people get elected, most don't ask how those will be tough on crime but then they get in and make laws that give police carte blanche authority and immunity, which has lead to countless heartache and abuses of power. Theres been plenty of articles discussing this and it basically comes down to the only moral abortion is my abortion with these people and they would still keep these harsh and restrictive laws in place no matter what. --- Currently Playing: The Legend of Heroes: Trails into Reverie <cite>Holy_Cloud105 posted [p:982756878] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite><quote>Some buy into the false perception that people are en masse getting abortion just because they don't want the baby, can't afford the baby, don't care about life, etc. So they don't stop to consider any of the follow on effects of 'banning abortion' because they don't understand the same medicine given to save botched miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies is the same exact stuff to induce abortions used to 'get rid of unwanted babies'. So only once they see the real effects affect themselves or those they know, is when they realize exactly what they voted for. Many vote agaisnt abortion and think nothing about the how, they just know they can't "live with" voting for someone who would allow it. So when a charlatan comes along saying they will ban abortion, they don't question how. Same for how 'tough on crime' people get elected, most don't ask how those will be tough on crime but then they get in and make laws that give police carte blanche authority and immunity, which has lead to countless heartache and abuses of power.</quote>Theres been plenty of articles discussing this and it basically comes down to the only moral abortion is my abortion with these people and they would still keep these harsh and restrictive laws in place no matter what.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeTigre 11/01/24 12:07:53 PM #28:	Xatrion posted... Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. And let me say it one more time. *FUCK THE GOP* Honestly tho also fuck the Democrats. We told them for years what Republicans would do and how many people were going to die, and they would rather use it as a campaign piece and trust the most blatantly lying Supreme Court nominees rather than risk any political capital to codify Roe v Wade. --- The world's a mess and yr my only cure (formerly BrohammedAli) <cite>LeTigre posted [p:982756889] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Xatrion posted... </cite><quote>Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop. Fuck the gop.And let me say it one more time. FUCK THE GOP</quote>Honestly tho also fuck the Democrats. We told them for years what Republicans would do and how many people were going to die, and they would rather use it as a campaign piece and trust the most blatantly lying Supreme Court nominees rather than risk any political capital to codify Roe v Wade. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cartoon_Quoter 11/01/24 12:12:08 PM #29:	LeTigre posted... Honestly tho also fuck the Democrats. We told them for years what Republicans would do and how many people were going to die, and they would rather use it as a campaign piece and trust the most blatantly lying Supreme Court nominees rather than risk any political capital to codify Roe v Wade. This never makes sense. A SCrOTUS determined to overturn Roe would just overturn any federal law to the same effect at the same time. There could have been a long-term plan to get an amendment through, but 38 states is asking a lot, even over 30-40 years of potentially favorable state legislatures. --- I apologize for nothing! <cite>Cartoon_Quoter posted [p:982756942] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>LeTigre posted... </cite><quote>Honestly tho also fuck the Democrats. We told them for years what Republicans would do and how many people were going to die, and they would rather use it as a campaign piece and trust the most blatantly lying Supreme Court nominees rather than risk any political capital to codify Roe v Wade.</quote>This never makes sense. A SCrOTUS determined to overturn Roe would just overturn any federal law to the same effect at the same time. There could have been a long-term plan to get an amendment through, but 38 states is asking a lot, even over 30-40 years of potentially favorable state legislatures.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 11/01/24 12:14:53 PM #30:	Texas legislation working as intended --- If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it? <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:982756967] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Texas legislation working as intended</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeTigre 11/01/24 12:22:02 PM #31:	Cartoon_Quoter posted... This never makes sense. A SCrOTUS determined to overturn Roe would just overturn any federal law to the same effect at the same time. There could have been a long-term plan to get an amendment through, but 38 states is asking a lot, even over 30-40 years of potentially favorable state legislatures. you mean the SCOTUS we handed to the GOP because they pinky promised not to overthrow Roe v Wade? --- The world's a mess and yr my only cure (formerly BrohammedAli) <cite>LeTigre posted [p:982757052] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Cartoon_Quoter posted... </cite><quote>This never makes sense. A SCrOTUS determined to overturn Roe would just overturn any federal law to the same effect at the same time. There could have been a long-term plan to get an amendment through, but 38 states is asking a lot, even over 30-40 years of potentially favorable state legislatures.</quote>you mean the SCOTUS we handed to the GOP because they pinky promised not to overthrow Roe v Wade?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kradek 11/01/24 12:28:12 PM #33:	Christo-fascists and the country they've created are abhorrent scum. They deserve the worst pain every second of every day. LeTigre has become so fucking insufferable lately. Maybe I'll unblock her after the election, however a part of me is honestly hoping I'll forget. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) <cite>Kradek posted [p:982757131] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Christo-fascists and the country they've created are abhorrent scum. They deserve the worst pain every second of every day.LeTigre has become so fucking insufferable lately. Maybe I'll unblock her after the election, however a part of me is honestly hoping I'll forget.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cartoon_Quoter 11/01/24 12:29:06 PM #34:	The dems should have fought the Handmaiden's appointment louder. But the system is rigged against them actually having the power to stop it. Regardless, that's not the argument you made, and that I disagreed with. --- I apologize for nothing! <cite>Cartoon_Quoter posted [p:982757141] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>The dems should have fought the Handmaiden's appointment louder. But the system is rigged against them actually having the power to stop it. Regardless, that's not the argument you made, and that I disagreed with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeTigre 11/01/24 12:35:52 PM #35:	Cartoon_Quoter posted... The dems should have fought the Handmaiden's appointment louder. But the system is rigged against them actually having the power to stop it. Regardless, that's not the argument you made, and that I disagreed with. You literally quoted me saying exactly that. :/ --- The world's a mess and yr my only cure (formerly BrohammedAli) <cite>LeTigre posted [p:982757228] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Cartoon_Quoter posted... </cite><quote>The dems should have fought the Handmaiden's appointment louder. But the system is rigged against them actually having the power to stop it. Regardless, that's not the argument you made, and that I disagreed with.</quote>You literally quoted me saying exactly that. :/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cartoon_Quoter 11/01/24 12:55:28 PM #36:	You wrote the words, but they weren't your point. But even if it was, what did you want them to do? There was no legal way to keep her off the bench. There is no reason to believe a federal law would have survived Dobbs. Ginsburg should have retired in 2013. That was a mistake. But after that, it was up to the voters. We failed. You can blame that on the system that exists, but we all know what it is, and what it takes to overcome it. --- I apologize for nothing! <cite>Cartoon_Quoter posted [p:982757475] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>You wrote the words, but they weren't your point.But even if it was, what did you want them to do? There was no legal way to keep her off the bench. There is no reason to believe a federal law would have survived Dobbs.Ginsburg should have retired in 2013. That was a mistake. But after that, it was up to the voters. We failed. You can blame that on the system that exists, but we all know what it is, and what it takes to overcome it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeTigre 11/01/24 1:01:27 PM #37:	Cartoon_Quoter posted... You wrote the words, but they weren't your point. But even if it was, what did you want them to do? There was no legal way to keep her off the bench. There is no reason to believe a federal law would have survived Dobbs. Ginsburg should have retired in 2013. That was a mistake. But after that, it was up to the voters. We failed. You can blame that on the system that exists, but we all know what it is, and what it takes to overcome it. 1.) Dont tell me what my own point is. Thats fucking gross. 2.) Her? Im sorry, you think we did this once? --- The world's a mess and yr my only cure (formerly BrohammedAli) <cite>LeTigre posted [p:982757538] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Cartoon_Quoter posted... </cite><quote>You wrote the words, but they weren't your point.But even if it was, what did you want them to do? There was no legal way to keep her off the bench. There is no reason to believe a federal law would have survived Dobbs.Ginsburg should have retired in 2013. That was a mistake. But after that, it was up to the voters. We failed. You can blame that on the system that exists, but we all know what it is, and what it takes to overcome it.</quote>1.) Dont tell me what my own point is. Thats fucking gross. 2.) Her? Im sorry, you think we did this once?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 11/01/24 1:08:09 PM #38:	DaxNovalis posted... But when her daughter got sick, Fails expected that doctors had an obligation to do everything in their power to stave off a potentially deadly emergency, even if that meant losing Lillian. In her view, they were more concerned with checking the fetal heartbeat than attending to Crain. I know it sounds selfish, and God knows I would rather have both of them, but if I had to choose, Fails said, I would have chosen my daughter. Well now she lost both. Voting matters --- You can't go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending. -Misattributed to CS Lewis <cite>Squall28 posted [p:982757609] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>DaxNovalis posted... </cite><quote>But when her daughter got sick, Fails expected that doctors had an obligation to do everything in their power to stave off a potentially deadly emergency, even if that meant losing Lillian. In her view, they were more concerned with checking the fetal heartbeat than attending to Crain.I know it sounds selfish, and God knows I would rather have both of them, but if I had to choose, Fails said, I would have chosen my daughter.</quote>Well now she lost both. Voting matters </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 11/01/24 1:11:04 PM #39:	Squall28 posted... Well now she lost both. Voting matters She almost certainly voted Republican --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:982757635] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted... </cite><quote>Well now she lost both. Voting matters</quote>She almost certainly voted Republican </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 11/01/24 1:13:14 PM #40:	LeTigre posted... Honestly tho also fuck the Democrats. We told them for years what Republicans would do and how many people were going to die, and they would rather use it as a campaign piece and trust the most blatantly lying Supreme Court nominees rather than risk any political capital to codify Roe v Wade. You literally will try to turn anything into "fuck the Democrats," won't you? --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:982757664] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>LeTigre posted... </cite><quote>Honestly tho also fuck the Democrats. We told them for years what Republicans would do and how many people were going to die, and they would rather use it as a campaign piece and trust the most blatantly lying Supreme Court nominees rather than risk any political capital to codify Roe v Wade.</quote>You literally will try to turn anything into "fuck the Democrats," won't you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cartoon_Quoter 11/01/24 1:16:22 PM #41:	LeTigre posted... 1.) Dont tell me what my own point is. Thats fucking gross. 2.) Her? Im sorry, you think we did this once? 1) I can only respond to the words you write. If you think I'm misreading you, fucking clarify. LeTigre posted... fuck the Democrats. ...they would rather use it as a campaign piece... rather than risk any political capital to codify Roe v Wade. These are the words that make an argument. The non-sequiturs about the republican agenda and nominees lying about Roe being settled mean nothing to the blame you're trying to assign to the Democrats. They're true, sure, but they don't support the assertion "fuck the Democrats". 2) Yes, her. Like it or not, Trump had two legitimate nominations. Sure, it's the first one that should have went down differently. But there's no reason to believe the others wouldn't have happened in the same order, just delayed. The rules in place meant there was nothing legally the Democrats could do to stop McConnell. Trumps nominees were going through, unless they so bad even enough Republicans voted them down. The fix was literally, legally, in. --- I apologize for nothing! <cite>Cartoon_Quoter posted [p:982757706] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>LeTigre posted... </cite><quote>1.) Dont tell me what my own point is. Thats fucking gross.2.) Her? Im sorry, you think we did this once?</quote>1) I can only respond to the words you write. If you think I'm misreading you, fucking clarify.LeTigre posted... </cite><quote>fuck the Democrats. ...they would rather use it as a campaign piece... rather than risk any political capital to codify Roe v Wade.</quote>These are the words that make an argument. The non-sequiturs about the republican agenda and nominees lying about Roe being settled mean nothing to the blame you're trying to assign to the Democrats. They're true, sure, but they don't support the assertion "fuck the Democrats".2) Yes, her. Like it or not, Trump had two legitimate nominations. Sure, it's the first one that should have went down differently. But there's no reason to believe the others wouldn't have happened in the same order, just delayed. The rules in place meant there was nothing legally the Democrats could do to stop McConnell. Trumps nominees were going through, unless they so bad even enough Republicans voted them down. The fix was literally, legally, in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 11/01/24 1:16:36 PM #42:	HashtagSEP posted... You literally will try to turn anything into "fuck the Democrats," won't you? Fuck the government in general. They are all corrupt asshats. You just have to pick the better of two evils. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:982757709] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite><quote>You literally will try to turn anything into "fuck the Democrats," won't you?</quote>Fuck the government in general. They are all corrupt asshats. You just have to pick the better of two evils. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeTigre 11/01/24 1:19:09 PM #43:	HashtagSEP posted... You literally will try to turn anything into "fuck the Democrats," won't you? yeah weirdly enough Im not down with incompetence jeopardizing my rights. The GOP wins because theyll plan forty years out and tell us all their plans and then we all sit around after and say I cant believe they did that --- The world's a mess and yr my only cure (formerly BrohammedAli) <cite>LeTigre posted [p:982757744] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite><quote>You literally will try to turn anything into "fuck the Democrats," won't you?</quote>yeah weirdly enough Im not down with incompetence jeopardizing my rights. The GOP wins because theyll plan forty years out and tell us all their plans and then we all sit around after and say I cant believe they did that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkraiomb 11/01/24 5:35:46 PM #45:	Amazing how a stupid and worthless baby that isn't even alive is more important than an actual person's life. Seriously, abortion should be no different from smashing a rock with a hammer. --- "Calling Trump a nazi should be moddable. Because if you do youre trolling Americans and anyone with a brain. "~ KingCrabCake <cite>Darkraiomb posted [p:982760927] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Amazing how a stupid and worthless baby that isn't even alive is more important than an actual person's life. Seriously, abortion should be no different from smashing a rock with a hammer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaikyoStyle 11/01/24 5:36:09 PM #57:	LeoRavus posted... I hope the family is able to sue both hospitals that released her. They probably will be sued for malpractice but thats still preferable to being brought up on murder charges by the most violent, dishonest people in the country. --- Taxes, death, and trouble. Brunt/Gaila 2024. Make Ferenginar Great Again! <cite>SaikyoStyle posted [p:982761710] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>LeoRavus posted... </cite><quote>I hope the family is able to sue both hospitals that released her.</quote>They probably will be sued for malpractice but thats still preferable to being brought up on murder charges by the most violent, dishonest people in the country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 11/01/24 5:38:00 PM #46:	that's certainly a take --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:982760957] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>that's certainly a take</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pazzy 11/01/24 5:42:29 PM #47:	Darkraiomb posted... Amazing how a stupid and worthless baby that isn't even alive is more important than an actual person's life. Seriously, abortion should be no different from smashing a rock with a hammer. Ok, wtf. That's a horrible thing to say, and considering that they had a baby shower, how about you ease up on calling the baby stupid and worthless? The issue is that this is a case where something should have been done to protect the mother and possibly the baby, but because of the abortion laws, people were afraid to do things with the baby which resulted in the mother's death. <cite>pazzy posted [p:982761013] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Darkraiomb posted... </cite><quote>Amazing how a stupid and worthless baby that isn't even alive is more important than an actual person's life. Seriously, abortion should be no different from smashing a rock with a hammer.</quote>Ok, wtf. That's a horrible thing to say, and considering that they had a baby shower, how about you ease up on calling the baby stupid and worthless?The issue is that this is a case where something should have been done to protect the mother and possibly the baby, but because of the abortion laws, people were afraid to do things with the baby which resulted in the mother's death.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
itcheyness 11/01/24 5:46:07 PM #48:	LeTigre posted... Honestly tho also fuck the Democrats. We told them for years what Republicans would do and how many people were going to die, and they would rather use it as a campaign piece and trust the most blatantly lying Supreme Court nominees rather than risk any political capital to codify Roe v Wade. There's literally nothing they could've done to prevent a conservative court from overturning it... --- Seattle Sounders 10-7-7 37 points 261 Refugee <cite>itcheyness posted [p:982761068] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>LeTigre posted... </cite><quote>Honestly tho also fuck the Democrats. We told them for years what Republicans would do and how many people were going to die, and they would rather use it as a campaign piece and trust the most blatantly lying Supreme Court nominees rather than risk any political capital to codify Roe v Wade.</quote>There's literally nothing they could've done to prevent a conservative court from overturning it...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pazzy 11/01/24 5:47:55 PM #49:	itcheyness posted... There's literally nothing they could've done to prevent a conservative court from overturning it... It's more on Democrats' complacency. They are almost rarely ever proactive, merely reactive. And it's this type of softness on democrats that have let them be this mediocre. <cite>pazzy posted [p:982761088] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>itcheyness posted... </cite><quote>There's literally nothing they could've done to prevent a conservative court from overturning it...</quote>It's more on Democrats' complacency. They are almost rarely ever proactive, merely reactive. And it's this type of softness on democrats that have let them be this mediocre. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
itcheyness 11/01/24 5:48:30 PM #50:	pazzy posted... It's more on Democrats' complacency. They are almost rarely ever proactive, merely reactive. And it's this type of softness on democrats that have let them be this mediocre. Democratic voters maybe. --- Seattle Sounders 10-7-7 37 points 261 Refugee <cite>itcheyness posted [p:982761095] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>pazzy posted... </cite><quote>It's more on Democrats' complacency. They are almost rarely ever proactive, merely reactive. And it's this type of softness on democrats that have let them be this mediocre.</quote>Democratic voters maybe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EPR-radar 11/01/24 5:51:10 PM #51:	Feature, not a bug, etc., etc., etc. Republicans hate women. It really is that simple. --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 <cite>EPR-radar posted [p:982761135] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>Feature, not a bug, etc., etc., etc.Republicans hate women. It really is that simple.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnsteadyOwl 11/01/24 5:57:02 PM #52:	That was hard to read. I can't imagine what her family is going through. This goes to show why you can't just write in an exception for the life of the mother and expect that's going to take care of it and these abortion bans aren't going to result in women dying who otherwise could be saved. --- Harris/Walz 2024! <cite>UnsteadyOwl posted [p:982761218] in Pregnant T... [t:80876395]...</cite> <quote>That was hard to read. I can't imagine what her family is going through.This goes to show why you can't just write in an exception for the life of the mother and expect that's going to take care of it and these abortion bans aren't going to result in women dying who otherwise could be saved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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