Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 435: Capping These Topics Since 1929

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Im sorry to hear that. Gulf coast I assume. Im located in northeast Florida, so its not the same but we are definitely still concerned.

Same with Liz Cheney, like yeah I don't like their politics (especially Liz), but they're, you know, adults....with brains.....

Adults with brains is unfortunately a standard that isn't being met by most of the GOP at this time.

Exactly. It's an election year so getting upset that Harris has to court Republican votes is not going to accomplish anything productive.

We are not just allowed to, but I encourage you, to speak about issues you have with "your team" amongst your friends. Acting like we can't think something sucks "because then Republicans will win!" is just cult behavior.

I hate that I have to keep posting this, but nothing we do in this topic is doing anything productive.

We are not just allowed to, but I encourage you, to speak about issues you have with "your team" amongst your friends. Acting like we can't think something sucks "because then Republicans will win!" is just cult behavior.

Nothing we post here is getting put on TV, and in fact, I think that a few of the midbrain voters who wander into this topic series may be more persuaded by your posts if they see you're capable of criticizing people you're voting for anyway.

Also of all the cabinet positions, the USDA is Top 3 that I don't want a fucking Republican in charge of.

Except Harris legitimately could lose if she does NOT court centrists. So being upset that she's doing the thing that would otherwise result in a loss IS something to argue against.

No one has ever meant that we're changing the country with our discussion topics when they use the word "productive". Literally not once.

First off, the reason I often times call you out, despite our niche little message board seeming like a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things, is that even though you are one voice and our board may not seem like much...what you say may have an impact on the views of others. Just like how what I say may have an impact, or what Foolmo or Eva, or Lopen, or FD, or Wang, or whoever might have an impact on the people reading this. Not LMS, but you know...other people. And I'll admit that there have been times when you've posted a Twitter link to an account I don't follow and would honestly never follow, but I'll click it and see what else that person has to say, and that person is then getting added engagement, which gives their opinion (which is broadcast more widely than our little board) more attention. And then that person is broadcast to others, to spread it wider. My point is that even this little board could theoretically have a snowball effect, or at least it could change minor things, so viewing it as "nothing matters" is irresponsible.

Furthermore, I'm specifically speaking up as a contrary point of view, since it seems like you follow accounts and repost links to things you agree with, without considering the bigger picture of our broader political system. You doomscroll you find statements that upset you and repost them (more often than not, statements critical of the Dems, despite objectively the GOP being worse), and I feel like you've lost focus on the HOW to fix things, by making a point to highlight only the things that need to be fixed.

Internet aint to blame for people being poorly existed and gullible

This type shit is genuinely absurd, and I cant get away from seeing it. Every day I think more and more about how humanity was a fucking mistake.

Internet aint to blame for people being poorly existed and gullible

I will laugh at them along side you, but we don't really need an 11th person saying the exact same things, do we?

Look at all the numbers in those posters usernames. They are likely bots posting GPT generated responses, which applies to the majority of twitter at this point. It is gullible to believe they are representative of real humans. There are certainly people who do believe this (especially because they read fake posts like this and believe that's the correct view for people on their team to have).

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This type shit is genuinely absurd, and I cant get away from seeing it. Every day I think more and more about how the internet was a fucking mistake.

Except Harris legitimately could lose if she does NOT court centrists. So being upset that she's doing the thing that would otherwise result in a loss IS something to argue against.

I'm under no illusions that our conversations here are going to have global impact.

Look at all the numbers in those posters usernames. They are likely bots posting GPT generated responses, which applies to the majority of twitter at this point. It is gullible to believe they are representative of real humans. There are certainly people who do believe this (especially because they read fake posts like this and believe that's the correct view for people on their team to have).

Many are definitely bots, but I was an active member of my towns Facebook group when I lived in Matt Gaetz district, and I saw people I worked with IRL posting equally as crazy shit all the time.

First off, the reason I often times call you out, despite our niche little message board seeming like a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things, is that even though you are one voice and our board may not seem like much...what you say may have an impact on the views of others. Just like how what I say may have an impact, or what Foolmo or Eva, or Lopen, or FD, or Wang, or whoever might have an impact on the people reading this. Not LMS, but you know...other people. And I'll admit that there have been times when you've posted a Twitter link to an account I don't follow and would honestly never follow, but I'll click it and see what else that person has to say, and that person is then getting added engagement, which gives their opinion (which is broadcast more widely than our little board) more attention. And then that person is broadcast to others, to spread it wider. My point is that even this little board could theoretically have a snowball effect, or at least it could change minor things, so viewing it as "nothing matters" is irresponsible.

Furthermore, I'm specifically speaking up as a contrary point of view, since it seems like you follow accounts and repost links to things you agree with, without considering the bigger picture of our broader political system. You doomscroll you find statements that upset you and repost them (more often than not, statements critical of the Dems, despite objectively the GOP being worse), and I feel like you've lost focus on the HOW to fix things, by making a point to highlight only the things that need to be fixed.

I just want to make sure that you understand that things suck because people like YOU refuse to act like cultists, while the people fighting AGAINST everything you believe in and want for the betterment of this country...they're more than happy to drink the Koolaid and achieve solid success as a result. I mean, if you wanna go high when they go low, that's fine, and I WISH your ideals actually worked in our country...but they don't.

When you point out flaws in the system, the problem with your approach is not that the flaws themselves are inaccurate, or even that you're misguided in thinking those problems should be solved...but rather that you're skipping over the first step of the greater problem that needs to be solved first, in order to make any solutions to subsequent problems viable. And the first problem you need to solve--and this is one you've actively denied exists and fought against when I've brought it up in the past--is the problem of our country's population being one of the most conservative in the world as far as first-world nations go. That problem is the primary reason why progressive policy struggles so hard to gain traction in America. Like, what is the solution to fix shit like this:

https://x.com/billscher/status/1633862055634649094

It feels like the next logical step of the climate change denialism that has existed for decades. If I'm being overly optimistic then I might even see it as a positive change, because at least it means they're now cognizant that something unusual is actually happening.

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You're not allowed to be annoyed at bad things that can't be changed? You're literally saying it's not ok to be upset about something that sucks, just because the alternative is worse, lol.

Latest data implies Milton may drop to Cat3 by landfall, still devestating but fingers crossed.

No?

I'm saying if you are going to be upset about something that sucks then you should probably also not be wrong while you're at it.

Being upset at the presidential nominee targeting the center is the wrong thing to be upset about. You can be upset at the system that keeps us in this two party dynamic, but do it recognizing that Harris/Walz have to take every advantage they can between now and election day not because it's fun for progressives, but because it is necessary.

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For example I had a conversation with my step-father yesterday about NFL. Our favorite team is the 49ers and he likes the team but I follow the team. They lost on sunday, but because I actually watch every second of the game and go above and beyond to understand the factors at play I would say that I had a much better grasp on WHY we lost, and what that means for the rest of this season.

He started the conversation from a perspective of doom and gloom and everything is lost and the season is over because of X, Y and Z.

Throughout the conversation I explained that X, Y and Z were actually negligible factors to the outcome of the game, and that the real issues were A, B and C, and that furthermore D and E were very unlikely events that occurred, that had coinflips just gone the other way we would have won anyways.

Now a conversation between myself and him does not fundamentally change anything about the 49ers. No one from the head office or coaching staff is listening in and taking notes and it will have no bearing on the rest of the season at all, but why should I not make an effort to correct him on what was to me an objectively wrongheaded interpretation of the previous day's loss?

And as Inviso mentioned with something like politics and social media our behaviors and our engagements actually CAN in part shape the amplification of information and ideas. You having the opinion that Harris/Walz should NOT cater to centrist voters might not affect your own personal vote. You projecting that or amplifying OTHER voices who are projecting it can tangibly increase the reach of those posts and potentially put them in front of someone who MIGHT be swayed.

You also typically take the approach of "Look at this, this is a terrible thing that is occurring" and that's basically the end of the thought. Whereas you might instead say "I wish they didn't have to make these kinds of concessions and I personally don't like it, but I understand why they are doing it" which still articulates what you WISH would be happening.

I dont think one person acknowledged that I was alone on that island, but yeah, Im definitely not paying attention and am not considering the odds.

Latest data implies Milton may drop to Cat3 by landfall, still devestating but fingers crossed.