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dotsdfe
08/30/24 4:53:39 PM
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https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1829610301727391870

https://twitter.com/RelusionH/status/1829615616762007871

The second is from a Brazilian friend of mine who's right in the middle of the ban. He's an artist who uses Twitter a lot to advertise his work, so it's a huge hit to him.

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ClayGuida
08/30/24 4:54:09 PM
#2:


Good for Brazil.

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Gobstoppers12
08/30/24 4:56:14 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Good for Brazil.
Is it, though?

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Pitbuller_26
08/30/24 4:56:18 PM
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All because Musky can't follow a country's law and thought he would be the exception.
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bnui_ransder
08/30/24 4:57:26 PM
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That really sucks for all the people that use it, all because someone makes his own rules

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TMOG
08/30/24 4:57:40 PM
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I feel like Bluesky is about to get a huge influx of users.
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El_Marsh
08/30/24 5:00:34 PM
#7:


Wunderbar!

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CRON
08/30/24 5:01:28 PM
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TMOG posted...
I feel like Bluesky is about to get a huge influx of users.
Already happening
https://bsky.app/profile/bsky.app/post/3l2xndrs3oh2t

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Gobstoppers12
08/30/24 5:01:40 PM
#9:


Do you guys who are celebrating this know why this is happening, though? Not the headline of "refusing to name a legal representative," but the actual reason that started the whole chain reaction?

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DrizztLink
08/30/24 5:01:44 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Is it, though?
Yes.

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Gobstoppers12
08/30/24 5:02:02 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Yes.
How so?

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KStateKing17
08/30/24 5:02:05 PM
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I do feel for a lot of the people that use the platform to keep in touch with friends or share art or make money in general. It's easy to say that they should have thought about using another platform after Musky took over, but at the same time, I wonder what accessibility looks like with similar sites in other countries.

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Scardude
08/30/24 5:02:21 PM
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CRON posted...
Already happening
https://bsky.app/profile/bsky.app/post/3l2xndrs3oh2t
Need to happen faster.

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Umbreon
08/30/24 5:02:34 PM
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I do feel for the artists and other folks who use Twitter for business purposes. Hopefully they'll find a suitable substitute.

Musk is the only one I want hurt by this.

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DrizztLink
08/30/24 5:02:51 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
How so?
If I wanted to play "Gobbles Goes to Bat for Shitheels" I'd have responded with more than one word.

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TheGoldenEel
08/30/24 5:03:11 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Do you guys who are celebrating this know why this is happening, though? Not the headline of "refusing to name a legal representative," but the actual reason that started the whole chain reaction?
The actual reason is Twitter is helping propagate disinformation and online platforms should be moderated, actually

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ultimate_reaver
08/30/24 5:03:14 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
How so?

they arent thinking about the fact that a lot of small grassroots groups use twitter to organize and a lot of artists use it to advertise for commissions so they can pay for stuff

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AceMos
08/30/24 5:03:46 PM
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Pitbuller_26 posted...
All because Musky can't follow a country's law and thought he would be the exception.

which of the MANY laws that musk has broken was this

also i hope the country gives users time to set up shop on a new platform and inform followers they are moving to said platform

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TMOG
08/30/24 5:04:38 PM
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CRON posted...
Already happening
https://bsky.app/profile/bsky.app/post/3l2xndrs3oh2t
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Were_Wyrm
08/30/24 5:05:10 PM
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Here come the concern trolls to defend the nazi propaganda machine, because muh fredumb of speech...

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TMOG
08/30/24 5:05:56 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
If I wanted to play "Gobbles Goes to Bat for Shitheels" I'd have responded with more than one word.
Dave Chappelle
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Elon Musk

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Gobstoppers12
08/30/24 5:06:13 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
The actual reason is Twitter is helping propagate disinformation and online platforms should be moderated, actually
The actual reason, if you look at the fundamental aspects on a non-partisan basis, is that X refused to ban the accounts of the ruling party's political opposition, and while X tried to argue their case in court:

When we attempted to defend ourselves in court, Judge de Moraes threatened our Brazilian legal representative with imprisonment. Even after she resigned, he froze all of her bank accounts, the company wrote. Our challenges against his manifestly illegal actions were either dismissed or ignored. Judge de Moraes colleagues on the Supreme Court are either unwilling or unable to stand up to him.

It's not really a win. You guys are literally celebrating government-sponsored censorship and control of information.

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TMOG
08/30/24 5:07:38 PM
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ultimate_reaver posted...
they arent thinking about the fact that a lot of small grassroots groups use twitter to organize and a lot of artists use it to advertise for commissions so they can pay for stuff
Alternative sites exist; Bluesky is one. You can say "well, the userbase is small", but it doesn't get bigger unless people leave Twitter and start using it.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

TikTok isn't an alt-right recruitment and misinformation machine. That's the difference.
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KStateKing17
08/30/24 5:11:19 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
The actual reason, if you look at the fundamental aspects on a non-partisan basis, is that X refused to ban the accounts of the ruling party's political opposition, and while X tried to argue their case in court:

When we attempted to defend ourselves in court, Judge de Moraes threatened our Brazilian legal representative with imprisonment. Even after she resigned, he froze all of her bank accounts, the company wrote. Our challenges against his manifestly illegal actions were either dismissed or ignored. Judge de Moraes colleagues on the Supreme Court are either unwilling or unable to stand up to him.

It's not really a win. You guys are literally celebrating government-sponsored censorship and control of information.
So it's more of an issue with Brazil's government corruption rather than Musk allowing his own prejudice bias to spread on the platform?

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TheGoldenEel
08/30/24 5:14:34 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
The actual reason, if you look at the fundamental aspects on a non-partisan basis, is that X refused to ban the accounts of the ruling party's political opposition, and while X tried to argue their case in court:

When we attempted to defend ourselves in court, Judge de Moraes threatened our Brazilian legal representative with imprisonment. Even after she resigned, he froze all of her bank accounts, the company wrote. Our challenges against his manifestly illegal actions were either dismissed or ignored. Judge de Moraes colleagues on the Supreme Court are either unwilling or unable to stand up to him.

It's not really a win. You guys are literally celebrating government-sponsored censorship and control of information.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/30/elon-musk-wealth-power

except Elon loves banning accounts to appease authoritarian governments

Elon Musk calls himself a free speech absolutist but has accepted over 80% of censorship requests from authoritarian governments. Two days before the Turkish elections, he blocked accounts critical of the president, Recep Tayyip Erdoan.

the difference here is the request is to ban fascists' misinformation. Elon is fighting this particular fight because he is pro-fascist, and he bought twitter to help spread fascism

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Gobstoppers12
08/30/24 5:19:51 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
except Elon loves banning accounts to appease authoritarian governments
Not really the point, you're still celebrating the government shutdown of a communication platform based on its unwillingness to censor specific political opponents or opinions.

Is that really what's best for the people of Brazil? 40 million people use X in that country. The government will impose fines on those people if they use a VPN to access the site. That's not a good thing.

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sfcalimari
08/30/24 5:24:09 PM
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Oh no!

Anyway

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TheGoldenEel
08/30/24 5:25:06 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Not really the point, you're still celebrating the government shutdown of a communication platform based on its unwillingness to censor specific political opponents or opinions.

Is that really what's best for the people of Brazil? 40 million people use X in that country. The government will impose fines on those people if they use a VPN to access the site. That's not a good thing.
it wouldn't be being shut down if it wasn't being used by fascists to spread fascism

and elon's own history shows that he's very happy to block accounts that oppose fascism, both in the US for no reason, and abroad when governments ask him to do so

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
08/30/24 5:25:10 PM
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And Gobby is tagged, thank you for playing,

DrizztLink posted...
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LordFarquad1312
08/30/24 5:26:27 PM
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We should all be following Brazil's example, tbh.

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Murphiroth
08/30/24 5:27:53 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
it wouldn't be being shut down if it wasn't being used by fascists to spread fascism

and elon's own history shows that he's very happy to block accounts that oppose fascism, both in the US for no reason, and abroad when governments ask him to do so

Gobs doesn't see an issue with this because he's just as pro-fascism as Elon, he just thinks he's hiding it by pretending to be non-partisan.
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Wedge_Antilles
08/30/24 5:29:26 PM
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Watching Musk slowly but surely destroy Twitter brings me joy.

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BlackScythe0
08/30/24 5:33:09 PM
#37:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
The actual reason, if you look at the fundamental aspects on a non-partisan basis, is that X refused to ban the accounts of the ruling party's political opposition, and while X tried to argue their case in court:

When we attempted to defend ourselves in court, Judge de Moraes threatened our Brazilian legal representative with imprisonment. Even after she resigned, he froze all of her bank accounts, the company wrote. Our challenges against his manifestly illegal actions were either dismissed or ignored. Judge de Moraes colleagues on the Supreme Court are either unwilling or unable to stand up to him.

It's not really a win. You guys are literally celebrating government-sponsored censorship and control of information.

This is the definition of an out of context statement. Its completely meaningless without knowing why he might have ruled the way he did.

I know for one thing the judge cited far right incitement of a mob that apparently attacked the Brazilian government the way trump's cult attacked the us government. So don't try to trick people with out of context comments that will give people incorrect impressions.
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UnholyMudcrab
08/30/24 5:33:35 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Not really the point, you're still celebrating the government shutdown of a communication platform based on its unwillingness to censor specific political opponents or opinions.
"Specific political opponents or opinions" here being accounts that were spreading pro-Bolsonaro disinformation.

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ellis123
08/30/24 5:34:02 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Not really the point, you're still celebrating the government shutdown of a communication platform based on its unwillingness to censor specific political opponents or opinions.

Is that really what's best for the people of Brazil? 40 million people use X in that country. The government will impose fines on those people if they use a VPN to access the site. That's not a good thing.
Any website that actively has well known people posting pedophilia unbanned getting banned should inherently be viewed as best for a country.

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Dark_twisted
08/30/24 5:37:47 PM
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Oh look at that actions have consequences. Who knew?

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ClayGuida
08/30/24 6:41:03 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Is it, though?
Why wouldn't it be?

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Tyranthraxus
08/30/24 6:46:18 PM
#42:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Do you guys who are celebrating this know why this is happening, though? Not the headline of "refusing to name a legal representative," but the actual reason that started the whole chain reaction?

I didn't but since you seem to be opposed to it I'm erring on the side that it was a deserved and justified move.

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Charged151
08/30/24 6:52:41 PM
#43:


I despise this development, because any movement toward criminalising VPN usage is horrendous. Yeah, Twitter/X is terrible after Musk bought it, but I don't like where this is going...

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FL81
08/30/24 6:53:32 PM
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massive fine in place for using a VPN to access it
Really this is the more concerning issue at play

Twitter sucks and all, but fuck any government that tries to censor the internet

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ClayGuida
08/30/24 6:54:19 PM
#45:


FL81 posted...
Really this is the more concerning issue at play

Twitter sucks and all, but fuck any government that tries to censor the internet
You realize we have censored internet in America right?

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Turtlemayor333
08/30/24 6:54:34 PM
#46:


Charged151 posted...
I despise this development, because any movement toward criminalising VPN usage is horrendous. Yeah, Twitter/X is terrible after Musk bought it, but I don't like where this is going...
They should be sending the bill to Elon instead of fining random people.

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BakonBitz
08/30/24 6:57:17 PM
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CRON posted...
Already happening
Might have to delete, the first visible reply is porn now. Here's a pic of just the post.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/201ef036.png

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Tyranthraxus
08/30/24 7:02:43 PM
#48:


BakonBitz posted...
Might have to delete, the first visible reply is porn now. Here's a pic of just the post.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/201ef036.png

I reported it. There's actually a report category for sexual content in a place that's not supposed to be about sexual content.

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BakonBitz
08/30/24 7:05:03 PM
#49:


Tyranthraxus posted...
I reported it. There's actually a report category for sexual content in a place that's not supposed to be about sexual content.
That's good. Just didn't want CRON to get modded for something out of his control, lol.

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Tyranthraxus
08/30/24 7:07:48 PM
#50:


BakonBitz posted...
That's good. Just didn't want CRON to get modded for something out of his control, lol.

Yeah. Getting flashback to tinypic days. Is tinypic still auto flagged? I guess I'll find out.

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